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It was supposed emphasize how wrong Kurt was from the very beginning. Another thing i don't understand is why Ackerson said "had to draw" when canonically that isn't the case. They had candidates that met the requirements for the Spartan II program and Candidates that did not. Having the ability to pull from a wider pool of candidates doesn't mean they absolutely had to. A part of me wants to believe Ackerson told Kurt that so he wouldn't purposely change the selection criteria. I always thought that washout rates implied selection criteria, since Halsey has stated that her section criteria had to be completely specific to suit her original program on page 24 of the Fall of Reach Definitive Edition, all this even with her preference for age(i assume its so all of them can feel somewhat equal to each other on a mental level while training to increase kinship). Personally, in terms of age i can understand why she was strict, however that doesn't really negate her having strict genetic criteria for nothing other than survival. This can also be reinforced by all of the Spartan III candidates that survived harsher training than their predecessors with less strict genetic markers and varying ages. Though, i guess you really can't damage | It was supposed emphasize how wrong Kurt was from the very beginning. Another thing i don't understand is why Ackerson said "had to draw" when canonically that isn't the case. They had candidates that met the requirements for the Spartan II program and Candidates that did not. Having the ability to pull from a wider pool of candidates doesn't mean they absolutely had to. A part of me wants to believe Ackerson told Kurt that so he wouldn't purposely change the selection criteria. I always thought that washout rates implied selection criteria, since Halsey has stated that her section criteria had to be completely specific to suit her original program on page 24 of the Fall of Reach Definitive Edition, all this even with her preference for age(i assume its so all of them can feel somewhat equal to each other on a mental level while training to increase kinship). Personally, in terms of age i can understand why she was strict, however that doesn't really negate her having strict genetic criteria for nothing other than survival. This can also be reinforced by all of the Spartan III candidates that survived harsher training than their predecessors with less strict genetic markers and varying ages. Though, i guess you really can't damage an already psychologically damaged individual. | ||
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:Ultimately it boils down to this question: is there a source (quote, preferably, as page numbers vary between editions) that explicitly and unambiguously states that compatibility with the augmentations was the ''sole'' consideration in the S-IIs' selection criteria? Otherwise the idea that Kurt's statement goes against canon has no basis. Needless to say, I know the augmentations were the biggest factor and eliminated more than 99.99% of the human population, as they did with the IIIs, but what I'm saying is that the S-IIs' screening apparently went even further than that for additional reasons. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:29, 6 March 2015 (EST) | :Ultimately it boils down to this question: is there a source (quote, preferably, as page numbers vary between editions) that explicitly and unambiguously states that compatibility with the augmentations was the ''sole'' consideration in the S-IIs' selection criteria? Otherwise the idea that Kurt's statement goes against canon has no basis. Needless to say, I know the augmentations were the biggest factor and eliminated more than 99.99% of the human population, as they did with the IIIs, but what I'm saying is that the S-IIs' screening apparently went even further than that for additional reasons. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:29, 6 March 2015 (EST) | ||
That's the quote i was referring to when i referenced the Fall of Reach. I always interpreted that quote with the idea that the specific physiological factors were what gave those children the intellects, fast learning rate, strength, etc. Its through the genes they possessed. She even addresses most of that in her second quote. Yeah, i was exaggerating with that, but i didn't feel like going back to look. The fact that 300 made it through in Alpha and Beta still proves the point though. | |||
The only quote i can think of(off the top of my head) that unambiguously mentions(mainly because every other quote is for the most part ambiguous) that the candidates had to meet those specific genetic requirements in order to survive is in Halsey's journal February 15, 2511. | |||
"Next-generation candidates "must" have more malleable, robust DNA structure/repair enzymes." | |||
She says that quote in response to the dilemma that the Orion program had with "degenerative conditions" and "irreversible genetic fragmentation". That quote addresses that in order for the candidates to have a chance of coming out unscathed, she had to use the criteria she used to select her candidates. And since 42 out of 75 candidates either died or washed out, i think there is plenty of logical basis for assuming that it for the most part revolved around survival when it came to selection criteria.[[User:Kal825B|Kal825B]] ([[User talk:Kal825B|talk]]) 08:38, 6 March 2015 (EST) | |||
== The Canonicity of "A Spartan Will Rise"? == | == The Canonicity of "A Spartan Will Rise"? == | ||