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:Graves...wow. Excellent analysis, yet again, I fail to concur. I can understand it for mini-black holes and Hawking Radiation, which is simply that black holes must radiate energy as they continue on a temporal axis (i.e. - go forward in time), as they absorb information and matter/energy (all the same according to e=mc<sup>2</sup>). The reason that some don't believe the existance of hawking radiation is that mini-black holes explode in huge, stellar conflagarations of gamma radiation according to the theory of hawking radiation. these are, according to the calculations, astronomical enough to be seen on Earth. I could see a UNSC ship making an explosion, not a Covvie ship, *sighs* Not bad for a thirteen-year-old, eh? Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]'' | :Graves...wow. Excellent analysis, yet again, I fail to concur. I can understand it for mini-black holes and Hawking Radiation, which is simply that black holes must radiate energy as they continue on a temporal axis (i.e. - go forward in time), as they absorb information and matter/energy (all the same according to e=mc<sup>2</sup>). The reason that some don't believe the existance of hawking radiation is that mini-black holes explode in huge, stellar conflagarations of gamma radiation according to the theory of hawking radiation. these are, according to the calculations, astronomical enough to be seen on Earth. I could see a UNSC ship making an explosion, not a Covvie ship, *sighs* Not bad for a thirteen-year-old, eh? Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 01:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
:That would also explain why when Master Chief made the slipspace jump from Installation 04 to Reach aboard the Ascendant Justice in Halo: First Strike, the timestamp data didn't corraborate with each other, seemingly that the ship had accelerated in time. Cortana exclaims something to the effect that 'The Forerunner artifact had manipulated their slispace travel, wanting them to come there.' That theory in itself shatters the basis of a considerable amount of common knowledge considered fact, so I wont even go into that. It has alot to do with an exostential quality to Forerunner artifacts, having the abilities to warp space and time to their own liking, playing "god" if you will. God? There's that word again, brought up in a rant about the forerunner. I don't think they're gods though, since 'God' created life... Why would they create themselves? | :That would also explain why when Master Chief made the slipspace jump from Installation 04 to Reach aboard the Ascendant Justice in Halo: First Strike, the timestamp data didn't corraborate with each other, seemingly that the ship had accelerated in time. Cortana exclaims something to the effect that 'The Forerunner artifact had manipulated their slispace travel, wanting them to come there.' That theory in itself shatters the basis of a considerable amount of common knowledge considered fact, so I wont even go into that. It has alot to do with an exostential quality to Forerunner artifacts, having the abilities to warp space and time to their own liking, playing "god" if you will. God? There's that word again, brought up in a rant about the forerunner. I don't think they're gods though, since 'God' created life... Why would they create themselves? | ||
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:What the hell about cars? Anyways, what ''H:FS'' says makes perfect sense. Space is composed of an infinite number of infinitesimally small quantum strings - the proginitors of stirng theory. The vibrations of such strings create particles and the spacetime continuum and the multiple 11 dimensions...if the Covenant can slip ships through chains of such strings, they would have infinite accuracy. Literal infinite accuracy. The several picometer deviation of their slipspace courses are probably through quantum uncertainty in transversing such strings. =D Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]'' | :What the hell about cars? Anyways, what ''H:FS'' says makes perfect sense. Space is composed of an infinite number of infinitesimally small quantum strings - the proginitors of stirng theory. The vibrations of such strings create particles and the spacetime continuum and the multiple 11 dimensions...if the Covenant can slip ships through chains of such strings, they would have infinite accuracy. Literal infinite accuracy. The several picometer deviation of their slipspace courses are probably through quantum uncertainty in transversing such strings. =D Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 22:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
::And you're thirteen, and you already know such scientific terminology? Damn, if only I had been that scientifically inclined those few years ago, maybe now I wouldn't have so much trouble with Chem. class. But, I understand what you are saying. It would mean that human ships cannot move through the precise strings, they can only navigate in that dimension with estimated fields of courses, picking a course string at random, plotting the course vectors, and waiting. This would explain why human ships take months in slispace at some times, while other times they only take a matter of days. Though, still, the random probability of a human ship achieving the perfect jump must be astronomical when it's random. But for a covenant ship, it must just be routine. It's why they were able to do such accurate jumps when fighting the MAC cannons orbiting Reach. Correct? I'm hoping that I am able to grasp what youre saying, because it truly is interesting. | ::And you're thirteen, and you already know such scientific terminology? Damn, if only I had been that scientifically inclined those few years ago, maybe now I wouldn't have so much trouble with Chem. class. But, I understand what you are saying. It would mean that human ships cannot move through the precise strings, they can only navigate in that dimension with estimated fields of courses, picking a course string at random, plotting the course vectors, and waiting. This would explain why human ships take months in slispace at some times, while other times they only take a matter of days. Though, still, the random probability of a human ship achieving the perfect jump must be astronomical when it's random. But for a covenant ship, it must just be routine. It's why they were able to do such accurate jumps when fighting the MAC cannons orbiting Reach. Correct? I'm hoping that I am able to grasp what youre saying, because it truly is interesting. | ||
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:::And it was only after a Google search I found out whatever math theorem you were sprouting 'bout secant. Damn. I only know the integration and differentiation of secant, how it's made on the coordinate plane and right triangle and how to plot an equation w/ it onthe polar plane...yeah...damn. Math major, may I inquire? | :::And it was only after a Google search I found out whatever math theorem you were sprouting 'bout secant. Damn. I only know the integration and differentiation of secant, how it's made on the coordinate plane and right triangle and how to plot an equation w/ it onthe polar plane...yeah...damn. Math major, may I inquire? | ||
:::Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]'' | :::Cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 02:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
==Blowing Things Up== | ==Blowing Things Up== | ||
maby seeing as it was a human planet the covenant decided to let off one of there big fancy bombs like they did to the athens and the malta--[[User:Fatman ninja|Fatman ninja]] 21:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | maby seeing as it was a human planet the covenant decided to let off one of there big fancy bombs like they did to the athens and the malta--[[User:Fatman ninja|Fatman ninja]] 21:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
:no offense, but what in the stars are you speaking of? cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]'' | :no offense, but what in the stars are you speaking of? cheers, '''[[User:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="red">Relentless</font>]]''[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="blue">Recusant</font>]]''File:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]]''' 22:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
He thinks they droped a bomb as they left[[User talk:Galacticdominator|Galacticdominator]] 13:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC) | He thinks they droped a bomb as they left[[User talk:Galacticdominator|Galacticdominator]] 13:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:Okay, instead of using the ambiguous Gettysburg travel (because it never states when the ship arrives at Earth), I used the time it took the Covenant Destroyer that Blue Team hijacks in GoO, one hour, and the distance from Earth to Zeta Doradus, which is 38 lightyears. 38 lightyears in one hour?? thats 912 lightyears per day! No wonder we were losing this war! '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 03:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC) | :Okay, instead of using the ambiguous Gettysburg travel (because it never states when the ship arrives at Earth), I used the time it took the Covenant Destroyer that Blue Team hijacks in GoO, one hour, and the distance from Earth to Zeta Doradus, which is 38 lightyears. 38 lightyears in one hour?? thats 912 lightyears per day! No wonder we were losing this war! '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 03:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Daaamn. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]] | ::Daaamn. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]]File:General-gr1.gif|30px]]</b> 03:02, 27 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Now, this is interesting. I've recently realized that the UNSC's sphere of influence is ''a lot'' bigger than we've been led to believe. It is possibly up to five hundred light-years wide. Look at this: | :::Now, this is interesting. I've recently realized that the UNSC's sphere of influence is ''a lot'' bigger than we've been led to believe. It is possibly up to five hundred light-years wide. Look at this: | ||
::::[[Beta Centauri]]: 525 light-years from Earth. Human slipspace velocity: 2.625 ly/day | ::::[[Beta Centauri]]: 525 light-years from Earth. Human slipspace velocity: 2.625 ly/day | ||
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I'd love to read the page that the sentence leads to - unfortunately, the link doesnt work. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 00:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC) | I'd love to read the page that the sentence leads to - unfortunately, the link doesnt work. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 00:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Well, now it does, it sounds remarkably similar! -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | :Well, now it does, it sounds remarkably similar! -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 04:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
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I've seen that on some articles saying that "...considering the amount of time spent in Slipspace...". From what I know, it's cryosleep that delays aging, not Slipspace. Even though almost everyone goes to cryosleep during Slipspace travel, it isn't really appropriate to say and repeat the above quote. [[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[User_talk:PX173|''1'']]''7''[[Special:Contributions/PX173|''3'']] 14:51, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | I've seen that on some articles saying that "...considering the amount of time spent in Slipspace...". From what I know, it's cryosleep that delays aging, not Slipspace. Even though almost everyone goes to cryosleep during Slipspace travel, it isn't really appropriate to say and repeat the above quote. [[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[User_talk:PX173|''1'']]''7''[[Special:Contributions/PX173|''3'']] 14:51, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Misnomer == | |||
{{Quote|The "Pillar"(of Autumn) makes a desperate jump though Slipspace, which is like hyperspace but slippier.|IGN, Five minute summary of the #Halo series}} | |||
At one point, this article's Trivia section(which appears to have been removed) stated that the name "Slipspace" is a misnomer, as it is not true space and there is nothing to slip against. So why call it Slipspace? Why not just use "hyperspace", since that seems to fit the description much better? Don't worry, I'm just curious and I'm suggesting anything about changing the page's summary, I'm simply curious about this reason for naming.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 23:07, May 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Because slipspace sounds cooler and hyperspace is overused Seraph340 -Don't spit into the wind 08:42, August 4, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Instantaneous? == | |||
We know for a fact that slipspace travel takes some amount of time to a location. It is not instantaneous. However, this appears so to those who are in normal space, not in slipstream space. What about those in the slipstream space? Do they spend the same amount of time as those in normal space, or is their travel period instantaneous? Consider this situation; a group of travellers journeyed into slipspace on May 7. The projected arrival time by those in normal space is in a week (May 14). As the travellers arrived to their location, the time indicator aboard their ship still shows May 7, but the actual date is actually May 14. | |||
I can't really word it out properly as I'm not really a science person. It is parallel to [http://redvsblue.com/archive/?id=1235 this video (start watching it from 0:52)] :( - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 18:36, May 23, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I doubt that. Personnel still have to go into cryosleep during jumps in order to conserve resources. That suggests to me that at least some time is taken for a ship to get from A to B in Slipspace.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 19:48, May 23, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Needs moar Covenant == | |||
Every image in this article is that of a Covenant ship, we need more UNSC and Forerunner ships going through slipspace, I know some can be found in Legends! [[User talk:Thecairocat|القط القاهرة.]] 22:51, May 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Seraphs & Banshee's use slipspace? == | |||
I was just watching the E3 Extended Campaign Mission with some IGN bloke and a guy from bungie Joe Tung(?), i think. At the start of the battle of Anchor 9, there are flashes of light that look exactly like a smaller vessel exiting slipspace. The reticule goes over the area where the flashes are and it shows the words Seraph and Banshee. | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqw6QvSzXQ - Thats the link and at 7:27 you can start to see the flashes. If you watch it there no large Covenant vessels in sight, only a human frigate and Anchor 9. This means smaller space craft can traverse slipspace, although perhaps only for a short journey. [[User talk:XW3 AR3 L3GION|XW3 AR3 L3GION]] 21:43, July 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::When I first watched said video, I immediately assumed that the craft had been deployed from a parent vessel within Slipspace, just like the [[Long range stealth orbital drop pod]] or the Spirit that the SPARTANs used to board ''Unyielding Hierophant''. Thus, I don't think the Seraphs, and especially not the Banshees, travelled through Slipspace on their on power, but were essentially hurled through Slipspace toward their target. Keep in mind that the LRSOIP provided a bumpy ride, and the Spirit, despite being heavily reinforced, barely held together, so it's probably not done often. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson]] 22:21, July 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Guys, after the third wave, they are also ENTERING slipspace. [[User talk: steven1098s]] 3:38, October 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::The game mentions something called "[[Impulse drive]]" before the fighters exit slipspace. Which seems to heavily imply that the so-called Impulse drive is indeed a slipspace drive of some kind. My guess is that it refers to a small, fighter-mounted slipspace drive that allows short jumps. Wouldn't really be unheard of with Covenant technology. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:50, October 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Do we really know that they are using slipspace? I thought that slipspace ruptures looked blue-ish and had sparks coming out, and wheren't white lights. And if they were using slipspace wouldn't the marines have called it as such? instead of impulse drive signitures detected, shouldn't they have said slipspace ruptures detected? also how could they detect them in slipspace before they actually appeared without slipspace probes of some sort? Because the marines told the sabres about a second before they actually appeared.--[[User:Tentacletornado|<span style="color:green">'''Tentacle'''</span>]][[User talk:Tentacletornado|<span style="color:gold">'''tornado'''</span>]]14:23, 30 October 2010 (EDT) | |||
== Update needed for shaw-fujikawa slispace drives == | |||
There is an update needed for shaw-fujikawa slipspace drive capable of entering slipspace in-atmosphere of gas giants. [Life and death of Admiral P.J.C] | |||
[[User talk:Erickyboo|Erickyboo]] 20:20, 30 November 2011 (EST) | |||
==Quantum entanglement and slipspace comms== | |||
I believe the "entangled communications" mentioned in ''Cryptum'' and Cortana's slipspace "carrier wave" are two separate technologies. Cortana's transmission seemed to be an ordinary radio wave carried through slipspace, which is also why people on both Onyx and Earth were able to pick it up. I don't see how this would've been possible if it was sent via QE. Ignoring the fact ''Cryptum'' claims Forerunners didn't use EM-based communications at all (p144) while Cortana's signal seems to suggest otherwise, ''Halo'' fiction has given us a number of apparent kinds of FTL comms known to the Forerunners: | |||
*Quantum entanglement, as mentioned in ''Cryptum''; the wording "entangled communications" is vague, but most likely refers to quantum entanglement | |||
*The Domain, which seems to be sort of a mystical thing and nobody really knows how it works | |||
*Slipspace-based radio or similar wave transmissions, as used by Cortana in ''Ghosts of Onyx'' | |||
*And finally, the "achingly slow" wormhole-based superluminal communications mentioned by Guilty Spark in ''Anniversary'''s terminals. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:00, 11 June 2012 (EDT) | |||
== On the nature of slipspace == | |||
Thought one very fundamental matter regarding the nature of slipspace needed some extra clarification. Our article currently describes slipspace as a set of extra dimensions that exist "over" the four conventional dimensions of our universe (ie. the standard hyperspace concept). But is this actually the case? Are the hyperdimensions collectively known as slipspace part of our universe or a separate parallel continuum? Terms like "higher dimensions" get thrown around a lot in canon, but does this refer to higher dimensions that lay over our spacetime or the dimensions of a realm of existence distinct from our universe? | |||
Slipspace has been established as an eleven-dimensional spacetime, but if it were part of our universe (as the article currently describes it) the "slipspace" part would only consist of seven hyperdimensions, yes? And how would this work in practice? Does a slipspace jump somehow extend a ship's presence in our continuum to cover its entire range of eleven dimensions (hence the references to it as an "eleven-dimensional spacetime" instead of a "seven-dimensional spacetime"), or, as seems more probable, open a portal to what is functionally a separate but adjacent universe with its own eleven dimensions? The thorough alienness of the physics of slipspace, for instance, seems to suggest the latter option. | |||
It would help if someone could pull some relevant quotes from the novels. What I can gather with a quick glance through ''First Strike'' and the Halsey journal are mostly the standard references to hyperdimensions as well as references to slipspace as a "higher-dimensional space"; in what way this is true is the real question. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 09:30, 19 March 2014 (EDT) | |||
:I remember a theory that the multiverse existed as "stacked" layers, newer ones "on top" of of older ones. We know that slipspace is a "space" where the physical laws have broken down enough to permit violation of relativity without as much effort. Combined with "heat death' theory, where an old universe that has begun to undergo the "Big Crunch" has a similar breakdown of the laws of spacetime, my understanding of slipspace was that it was one the older universes that preceded our own. I have no canonical basis for this, and I'm fairly sure that the "layer" theory has been supplanted by a new theory that's more akin to bubbles in quantum foam. I'm also not a physicist, so I'm probably way off.-- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:41, 20 March 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Looking through my notes on Slipspace, I would say that Slipspace itself is composed of 11 dimensions, with our 3 dimensional space plus 1 time dimension being additional to these. My references are "the eleven nondimensions of Slipspace"-GoO:p186, (implying where we exist in space and time now are, in fact, dimensions) and that Slipspace refers to "non-Euclidian, non-Einsteinian realms"-FS:p191. What makes it deliberately hard to make out how Slipspace really works, is a line from the ''First Strike - Definitive Edition'' short story, ''Tug O' War'': "...with slipspace, it has always been difficult to accurately measure the time it takes to travel from one location to another. There's always been an irregular, unpredictable, and inexplicable temporal discrepancy between those who entered slipspace and those who remained outside of it—this is a proven and accepted fact of science. It could be the mass from extra dimensions; it could be magic."-FS-DE:419. This sounds like 343i does not want to pin down how it works to curb story needs, nor do they want anyone to ;figure it out' because that may break existing canon. Seems like they want it to be able to do anything the story demands. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 16:20, 26 March 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I see, thanks. I asked because think there is reason to amend the article's descriptions of the (admittedly vague) nature of slipspace; the article currently seems to assume too much. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:33, 27 March 2014 (EDT) | |||
::Here's a way to try and conceptualize other higher dimensions. If you were a 2-dimensional being, your entire universe would consist of left and right movements and forward and back or anything on the plane of your existence. For a 2-dimensional being to imagine (via mathematics or theoretical physics of a third dimension), this being would have to try and imagine what the concept of 'up' and 'down' were. It's not something it could point to of course. | |||
::In our 3-dimensional space, it would be like trying to travel north of the north pole. It sounds silly on the face of it because we live on a 3-dimensional sphere called Earth, but if we could attain a higher dimension, we'd actually be able to travel north of the north pole. The next dimension would be at right angles to the other 3 directions we can point to now, which we can't do because we're stuck in our 3-dimensional universe. | |||
::When you take any shape and shine light on it you see a 2-dimensional shadow of a 3-dimensional shape. A model of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract tesseract], which looks like a cube within a cube connected at the edges, that model is us looking at a shadow of a 4-dimensional object. It's hard to imagine what an object like that would really look like if we're only seeing its shadow, one dimension being lost to us because of where we exist. Hopefully, that's a bit of a help and not more confusing. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 09:23, 27 March 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::For me, it's not too hard to wrap my head around the concept of higher dimensions itself on a basic level. My main query (which is admittedly confusing now that I read it) was mainly about how one would go about classifying slipspace: as part of our universe, or a separate universe? That is, is our universe really eleven-dimensional (or 15-dimensional, depending on the interpretation) and we just can't observe or access the extra ones, ''or'' is our universe just the 3+1 dimensions we're familiar with and slipspace, with its 11 dimensions, is a distinct 'universe', with both being part of a larger multiverse? Since words fail me on this matter, here's an image I whipped up to illustrate what I'm trying to get across: | |||
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:::Myself, I'm leaning toward model C, or the "slipspace as its own universe" theory, mainly because we know slipspace has markedly different—and hostile—physical laws, and you have to open "portals" into it. When jumping into slipspace you're not merely going in an extra "direction", you're transitioning into a different reality with its own directions, basically. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:12, 27 March 2014 (EDT) | |||
::My gut feeling is that your model B would be the best depiction. In modern astrophysics, there's currently theories of the multiverse, but no way of knowing about or gaining access to them. These would be distinct universes from ours, but apart from that, and as I understand it, if string theory is an actual thing (which is a hot debate topic in itself) then we live in an 11-dimensional universe and that's within our own universe (of which we experience 3 dimensions of space and 1 of time. It's just that without a tremendous amount of energy (like black hole singularity-worth or greater) they are inaccessible dimensions. Being in Slipspace it's said in the Halo novels, you can pass through normal matter like planets or stars completely unaffected by it, which wouldn't seem like you're in a distinct universe like your model C. That's why I think model B is more appropriate. The extra dimensions exist in our universe, but unless you use some exotic substance or energy, you can't access it. Ships in Slipspace are in another dimension that exists within our 3-dimensional realm, and as such are not bound by the constraints of relativity. A ship in Slipspace would exist like a shadow in our universe like in my example a note above. A 2-dimensional shadow does no harm whatsoever to anything in our 3-dimensional reality. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 13:28, 27 March 2014 (EDT) | |||
== Slipspace and conventional engines == | |||
I've wanted to address this point for a while. The article states that a ship's traditional reaction drive is still required to move the vessel in slipspace, citing two more or less ambiguous statements for this claim. Given how fundamentally different physics are in slipspace, as well as statements about notion of "acceleration" or even ''space'' being meaningless therein, is it really plausible to assume the conventional drive is at all relevant in slipspace? The two statements cited on the page are as follows: | |||
''"The Redoubtable, the Paris, and the Coral Sea, with their larger engines, had moved ahead in the Slipstream wake."'' (''Ghosts of Onyx'', p. 187) | |||
In this case, "larger engines" is interpreted as larger reaction engines and not larger S-F drives. I suppose this isn't too unreasonable of an interpretation given the wording—would the size of a slipspace drive matter in this case? It could also be referring to the way the larger ships' fusion power plants are able to feed more power into the slipspace drive, thus facilitating faster travel. The other quote is more vague: | |||
''"Unlike the rocket engines of humanity's first space vehicles, Shaw-Fujikawa drives didn't generate thrust. Instead, the devices created temporary rifts in the fabric of space-time—opened passages in and out of a multidimensional domain known as Slipstream Space, or Slipspace for short."'' (''Contact Harvest'', p. 23) | |||
I suppose one ''could'' interpret this as stating you need conventional thrust to move in slipspace since the S-F drive's only described function is the opening of rifts in and out of slipspace (and not the "moving" of the ship within) but again, this isn't too clear. But the highly exotic nature of slipspace would suggest, to me, that traditional methods of propulsion would be rendered meaningless in S-F space. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 04:02, 30 January 2015 (EST) | |||
:Keep in mind that the gravity fields of significant masses create a "flattening" effect on the warped nature of slipspace's spacetime, creating a bubble where physical rules function like those of realspace. Within this space, conventional thrust should be possible, but the propulsion of the "bubble" itself may be accelerated by the effect of slipspace. Kind of like a limited inversion of traditional warp drive, I suppose, enabling conventional travel rather than unconventional. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 01:34, 31 January 2015 (EST) | |||
== Velocities Of Covenant Drives == | |||
The page says Covenant drives only reach a few dozen light years per day, and used the Bloodied Spirit from Halo: Ghosts of Onyx as a source. This is not a proper used of the source in which a covenant destroyer (the bloodied spirit) | |||
travels from Earth to Onyx. The page says the destroyer takes a day to reach onyx, a distance of 38 light years. The destroyer in actuality the destroyer take no more then 39.5 minutes to reach onyx, a difference of almost 36.5 times. So a Velocity of 1,385 light years per day, not 38. | |||
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