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:::I'd suggest a Precursor era before the Forerunner - we now have information regarding them. The Forerunner era, which covers their galactic dominance, should be shortened by 60,000 years to end with the activation of the rings. The time between 100,000 BCE and the Writvof Union in the 10th century BCE would be listed as the Dark time, where the galaxy's sentient species are forced to start again at Tier 7. With no support from the Forerunners or each other, many go extinct. The era ends with the founding of the Covenant as a major force intent on succeeding the Forerunners - it's essentially a redone 'Rise of the Covenant' era. 'Human' can run alongside it from wherever we see fit (earliest civilization? The industrial revolution?) to the end of independent nation-states.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 10:15, 21 August 2011 (EDT) | :::I'd suggest a Precursor era before the Forerunner - we now have information regarding them. The Forerunner era, which covers their galactic dominance, should be shortened by 60,000 years to end with the activation of the rings. The time between 100,000 BCE and the Writvof Union in the 10th century BCE would be listed as the Dark time, where the galaxy's sentient species are forced to start again at Tier 7. With no support from the Forerunners or each other, many go extinct. The era ends with the founding of the Covenant as a major force intent on succeeding the Forerunners - it's essentially a redone 'Rise of the Covenant' era. 'Human' can run alongside it from wherever we see fit (earliest civilization? The industrial revolution?) to the end of independent nation-states.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 10:15, 21 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
What information? All we know was that at some point there was a Forerunner-Precursor war. We can't even say who won. Maybe the Precursor's fled or something like that. So I don't really think we have enough info for that yet. Maybe after Primordium comes out, though. Vegerot goes RAWR! | What information? All we know was that at some point there was a Forerunner-Precursor war. We can't even say who won. Maybe the Precursor's fled or something like that. So I don't really think we have enough info for that yet. Maybe after Primordium comes out, though. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 12:04, 21 August 2011 (EDT)!! | ||
== Post-War == | == Post-War == | ||
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Why is the logo for the Post War era the Marathon symbol? Shouldn't be something a little more relevant, especially seeing as the logo is not longer being used in Halo products?--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 09:45, 26 October 2011 (EDT) | Why is the logo for the Post War era the Marathon symbol? Shouldn't be something a little more relevant, especially seeing as the logo is not longer being used in Halo products?--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 09:45, 26 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
:That symbol I believe represents Humanity as the "Reclaimers," considering events that have transpired since September 2552 and into the present (January/February 2553), it is quite a relevant item. Reclaiming of her empire and her natural birthright as the successors to the guardians of the mantle. 343i not owning rights to it or night has no bearing on that whatsoever. | :That symbol I believe represents Humanity as the "Reclaimers," considering events that have transpired since September 2552 and into the present (January/February 2553), it is quite a relevant item. Reclaiming of her empire and her natural birthright as the successors to the guardians of the mantle. 343i not owning rights to it or night has no bearing on that whatsoever. [[User:Grizzlei|CommanderTony]] | ||
== Revamp! == | == Revamp! == | ||
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Hello all, | Hello all, | ||
I wondered if there was a general consensus that the timeline ''article'' itself should include major events from the history of the ''Halo'' universe; similar to pages 26-37 of the ''[[Halo Encyclopedia]]'', for those who have read it, or the HBO story timeline. | I wondered if there was a general consensus that the timeline ''article'' itself should include major events from the history of the ''Halo'' universe; similar to pages 26-37 of the ''[[Halo Encyclopedia (2009 edition)]]'', for those who have read it, or the HBO story timeline. | ||
I would be more than happy to helm the project - I will be spending lots of time on Halopedia in the coming months - although I think a new article should be started simply under the title "Timeline", as "Halopedia:Timeline" can make navigation difficult. (The timeline template at the top of the page could be moved to the new page.) | I would be more than happy to helm the project - I will be spending lots of time on Halopedia in the coming months - although I think a new article should be started simply under the title "Timeline", as "Halopedia:Timeline" can make navigation difficult. (The timeline template at the top of the page could be moved to the new page.) | ||
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Please let me know what you think; I can see how this request would be extinguished immediately but it would be great to get this off the ground - I think it could be the best article on the site with some hard work... | Please let me know what you think; I can see how this request would be extinguished immediately but it would be great to get this off the ground - I think it could be the best article on the site with some hard work... | ||
'''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> | '''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 14:09, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
:I think there's definitely potential in this idea. The entries should, however, be sufficiently brief so as to not create an overlap between the timeline page and [[Halo universe]]'s "History" section, whose prose format (as opposed to a bulleted list) is fine as it is. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 15:16, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | :I think there's definitely potential in this idea. The entries should, however, be sufficiently brief so as to not create an overlap between the timeline page and [[Halo universe]]'s "History" section, whose prose format (as opposed to a bulleted list) is fine as it is. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 15:16, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
::Thank you Jugus. Yes, my idea was to have short (ideally bullet-pointed although I'm not sure how the Manual of Style agrees with this) fact-style pieces of info around a sentence long, each linked to a date; rather than a prose-based novel/game approach like [[Halo universe]]'s "History" section. I would like to helm this if possible; not out of ego but rather vision - I have quite a specific idea of how this might look when finished. Of course it would be opened up after publication, but I would like permission from the Administrators to start this off. Thanks, '''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> | ::Thank you Jugus. Yes, my idea was to have short (ideally bullet-pointed although I'm not sure how the Manual of Style agrees with this) fact-style pieces of info around a sentence long, each linked to a date; rather than a prose-based novel/game approach like [[Halo universe]]'s "History" section. I would like to helm this if possible; not out of ego but rather vision - I have quite a specific idea of how this might look when finished. Of course it would be opened up after publication, but I would like permission from the Administrators to start this off. Thanks, '''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 16:03, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
::: Do you mean that it would be a page with all the main dates? Like a combination of all the main years and their main events, following the format of pages already existing like [[2552]]? It could be useful, but would it only be for newcomers to the series, or...? If it were my choice, it would be hard for me to handpick the most important dates. Well, not like I would be the one leading the project, though. And about the color scheme, I also agree with you. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 16:42, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | ::: Do you mean that it would be a page with all the main dates? Like a combination of all the main years and their main events, following the format of pages already existing like [[2552]]? It could be useful, but would it only be for newcomers to the series, or...? If it were my choice, it would be hard for me to handpick the most important dates. Well, not like I would be the one leading the project, though. And about the color scheme, I also agree with you. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 16:42, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
Yes Imrane, very similar to that article. Newcomers would benefit the most, of course, but after almost every ''Halo'' event ever to take place is added it will be the definitive place to seek 'Halo' chronology. The ''[[Halo Encyclopedia]]'' is good, but can never be up to date. | Yes Imrane, very similar to that article. Newcomers would benefit the most, of course, but after almost every ''Halo'' event ever to take place is added it will be the definitive place to seek 'Halo' chronology. The ''[[Halo Encyclopedia (2009 edition)]]'' is good, but can never be up to date. | ||
'''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> | '''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 18:04, 8 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
:We can place "Timeline" as a redirect and will maintain Project:Timeline as the project page. It is basically as you stated in your comment: a summary of events, preferably one sentence (i.e. "John-117 was born in 2511"). This works well especially with the proposal suggested in the above section/discussion. It would also be helpful for a future "On this day, this happened" template/feature. Also, what Imrane-117 said. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:24, 9 July 2014 (EDT) | :We can place "Timeline" as a redirect and will maintain Project:Timeline as the project page. It is basically as you stated in your comment: a summary of events, preferably one sentence (i.e. "John-117 was born in 2511"). This works well especially with the proposal suggested in the above section/discussion. It would also be helpful for a future "On this day, this happened" template/feature. Also, what Imrane-117 said. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:24, 9 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
::Yes Subtank, exactly that. Would the page simply be called "Timeline"? If so, I can start working on it this evening. It will probably take a couple of days before I have the first build ready to upload. '''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> | ::Yes Subtank, exactly that. Would the page simply be called "Timeline"? If so, I can start working on it this evening. It will probably take a couple of days before I have the first build ready to upload. '''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 12:37, 9 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
== New Timeline (Update) == | == New Timeline (Update) == | ||
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Thanks, | Thanks, | ||
Sam. | Sam. | ||
--'''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> | --'''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 19:23, 1 September 2014 (EDT) | ||
== Overhaul of the timeline == | == Overhaul of the timeline == | ||
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::Hey, I got a good way through a pretty comprehensive overhaul around 6 months ago but never finished it (I got up to the year 1999). I've been really busy with university ever since, but I'm planning to come back to Halopedia - I was nearing applying for moderator last year. It's all in a *.doc file in Wiki markup for easy editing, let me know if you want to set up a sandbox to look at it. | ::Hey, I got a good way through a pretty comprehensive overhaul around 6 months ago but never finished it (I got up to the year 1999). I've been really busy with university ever since, but I'm planning to come back to Halopedia - I was nearing applying for moderator last year. It's all in a *.doc file in Wiki markup for easy editing, let me know if you want to set up a sandbox to look at it. | ||
::--'''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> | ::--'''[[UserWiki:Monitor_Chakas|<font color="blue">Monitor Chakas</font>]]'''<sup>('''[[User talk:Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Monitor Chakas|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 18:57, 16 January 2015 (EST) | ||
:::I'd love to help work on it to make a nice timeline! [[User:SamGall|SamGall]] ([[User talk:SamGall|talk]]) 19:08, 16 January 2015 (EST) | :::I'd love to help work on it to make a nice timeline! [[User:SamGall|SamGall]] ([[User talk:SamGall|talk]]) 19:08, 16 January 2015 (EST) | ||
:::Yeah, that sounds good! I can check it out and see where we could interject ideas and maybe adopt each other's. Go ahead and put your document [[User:Helianthus/Sandbox|'''here on my sandbox page''']]. Thanks for replying back so soon too! :) {{User:Helianthus/Sig}} | :::Yeah, that sounds good! I can check it out and see where we could interject ideas and maybe adopt each other's. Go ahead and put your document [[User:Helianthus/Sandbox|'''here on my sandbox page''']]. Thanks for replying back so soon too! :) {{User:Helianthus/Sig}} | ||
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As a final point, there is a description to each timeline headings provided in the reference guide which I would rather not copy and paste. So, shall we amend and update this project page according to the "''somewhat''" definitive timeline above? — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 13:41, 20 March 2017 (EDT) | As a final point, there is a description to each timeline headings provided in the reference guide which I would rather not copy and paste. So, shall we amend and update this project page according to the "''somewhat''" definitive timeline above? — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 13:41, 20 March 2017 (EDT) | ||
:Might as well since this is somewhat official.--[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: green; font-family: Segoe Script; font-size: 11pt;" title="Spartacus is an administrator.">'''''Spartacus'''''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:#808080; font-family: Times New Roman">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:#808080; font-family: Times New Roman">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup> 14:39, 21 March 2017 (EDT) | :Might as well since this is somewhat official.--[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: green; font-family: Segoe Script; font-size: 11pt;" title="Spartacus is an administrator.">'''''Spartacus'''''</span>]] <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<span style="color:#808080; font-family: Times New Roman">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<span style="color:#808080; font-family: Times New Roman">Contribs</span>]]'''</sup> 14:39, 21 March 2017 (EDT) | ||
::Mythos' system is a little unintuitive as it's tailored specifically for that book and its range of subjects, hence we end up with oddities like 2552 warranting a whole entry (rather than the whole of the Covenant War); a more "universal" timeline would probably be more balanced in how it distributed the eras. ''However'', since it ''is'' official it's still preferable to our current fan categorization. We'd still have to decided whether to include the gap between 852 CE and 2080 CE to "The Forerunner Legacy" or "Rise of Humanity", though. Probably the latter. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 15:06, 21 March 2017 (EDT) | |||
:::@Jugus: I share your view. A point to note: the reference guide was ''[[Curator|curated by a UNSC AI]]'' which would explain the pro-human narrative in Halo Mythos, the lack of information on the Covenant history and the gap between those two dates. To ensure balance to this "''somewhat''" official timeline, may I propose that we remove all forms of era descriptor from the Timeline template by revert back to [https://www.halopedia.org/index.php?title=Template:Timeline&oldid=1190084 this design]? As for this project page, obviously a rewrite is needed with special attention as to the era descriptors to ensure that readers are made aware that the timeline used in Halo Mythos is "''somewhat''" one-sided. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:26, 22 March 2017 (EDT) | |||
::::Agreed on restoring the template. Regarding the changes to the page itself, however, I do think the "Unknown years" part is more than a little clunky and comes off as a bit out of place considering there isn't much of anything "unknown" about that part of history (at least no more than the other "eras"). I'd just integrate it into the "Rise of Humanity" section and make a note about the concession. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 14:03, 22 March 2017 (EDT) | |||