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I know the page is locked... I dunno why. But I think it is proven the the people in Halo: Reach are S-II C-II's now. Can someone change it? --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 00:30, December 15, 2009 (UTC) | I know the page is locked... I dunno why. But I think it is proven the the people in Halo: Reach are S-II C-II's now. Can someone change it? --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 00:30, December 15, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Proven you say? Source? References?--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:36, December 15, 2009 (UTC) | :Proven you say? Source? References?--<font face="century gothic"><font color="red">[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Lol</font>]]@[[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#666666">Phailure</font>]]</font></font> 00:36, December 15, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Whats been proven is that their spartan 3s | |||
To be more specific all the Spartans in NOVA team are Spartan IIIs with the exception of Jorge- 052 who is a Spartan II.[[User talk:DARKSTORM99|DARKSTORM99]] 10:03, February 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I have a question I hope someone can answer, what happened to the rest of the 300 kids that were taken, they all went through boot camp but only half their number were selected for the augmentation process, they couldn't have been returned to there homes so perhaps there training continued separate from the rest of the spartans. They would'nt be able to use the Mjolnir armor but could still be an effective fighting force if the training was aloud to continue, I currently dont have my copy of FoR so I cant check, | |||
any ideas? [[User talk:DARKSTORM99|DARKSTORM99]] 10:29, February 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Not quite, for the SPARTAN-II there was only 150 candidates, and due due budgets only 75 got to the training, and half of these (supposedly) dies in augmentation. I think. [[User talk:Excalibur-117|Excalibur-117]] 13:41, February 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Spartan-II people== | ==Spartan-II people== | ||
I made a line on all the Spartan-IIs, I'm not done yet, but its gonna be over 75. You can see it here: the | I made a line on all the Spartan-IIs, I'm not done yet, but its gonna be over 75. You can see it here: the Spartan-II History Line --[[User:Uneven elephant|Uneven elephant]] 19:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
:You should have the SPARTAN's nextto their number, e.g. 34. Samuel-034, 29. Joshua-029. And since there are 3 or so off the list at the bottom you should just take off 3 "Unknown SPARTAN's" [[User:SPARTAN-019|SPARTAN-019]] 17:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC) | :You should have the SPARTAN's nextto their number, e.g. 34. Samuel-034, 29. Joshua-029. And since there are 3 or so off the list at the bottom you should just take off 3 "Unknown SPARTAN's" [[User:SPARTAN-019|SPARTAN-019]] 17:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Even in the Halo 3 instruction manual, it says that the Master Chief is the only Spartan-II left. Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere, since the games are considered 'more canon' than the books. | Even in the Halo 3 instruction manual, it says that the Master Chief is the only Spartan-II left. Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere, since the games are considered 'more canon' than the books. | ||
There is no such thing as "more canon." Bungie accepts the novels as canon, and Spartans still exist in those works (albeit no longer in the fight), so John is the last ACTIVE member. '''Honour Light Your Way - ''' | There is no such thing as "more canon." Bungie accepts the novels as canon, and Spartans still exist in those works (albeit no longer in the fight), so John is the last ACTIVE member. '''Honour Light Your Way - '''File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhek]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 22:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
The game just wants to make you feel more like the Master Chief is saving the day. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''<font color="Silver">'''Master'''</font><font color="DarkGray">'''Chief'''</font><font color="Gray">Petty</font><font color="DimGray">Officer</font>''']]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Master Chief Petty Officer|<font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution</font>]]</sub> 13:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | The game just wants to make you feel more like the Master Chief is saving the day. [[User:Master Chief Petty Officer|'''<font color="Silver">'''Master'''</font><font color="DarkGray">'''Chief'''</font><font color="Gray">Petty</font><font color="DimGray">Officer</font>''']]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Master Chief Petty Officer|<font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution</font>]]</sub> 13:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
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=== When The Spartan-II Program went public === | === When The Spartan-II Program went public === | ||
Yes, I do know when the [[Spartan-II|Spartan-II Program]] went public, [[2547]]. I've added a section in this article about it, as well as created a page on [[2547]] after reading about when it went public in [[Halo: Ghost of Onyx]]. | Yes, I do know when the [[Spartan-II|Spartan-II Program]] went public, [[2547]]. I've added a section in this article about it, as well as created a page on [[2547]] after reading about when it went public in [[Halo: Ghosts of Onyx|Halo: Ghost of Onyx]]. | ||
[[User:SpartanMartin|SpartanMartin]] 23:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC) | [[User:SpartanMartin|SpartanMartin]] 23:39, 31 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
===There is some discrepancy on this=== | ===There is some discrepancy on this=== | ||
In [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], Catherine Halsey agrees to make the SPARTAN-II program public on the condition that the origins of the SPARTAN-II's are kept top secret. However, Major Silva seems to know all about the origins of the SPARTAN-II's in [[Halo: The Flood]], during his confrontation with the Chief. In addition, members of the Rubble taunted the Gray team about their origins way back in the mid-2530's in [[The Cole Protocol]]. --[[User talk:Ant80|Ant80]] 20:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | In [[Halo: The Fall of Reach]], Catherine Halsey agrees to make the SPARTAN-II program public on the condition that the origins of the SPARTAN-II's are kept top secret. However, Major Silva seems to know all about the origins of the SPARTAN-II's in [[Halo: The Flood]], during his confrontation with the Chief. In addition, members of the Rubble taunted the Gray team about their origins way back in the mid-2530's in [[Halo: The Cole Protocol]]. --[[User talk:Ant80|Ant80]] 20:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
==number inacuracy== | ==number inacuracy== | ||
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This just occurred to me yesterday night. Just a theory at this stage. What if the 30 SPARTAN-II's killed during the augmentation process were not killed, but were siphoned off by ONI for other purposes, but listed them killed? Maybe a percentage were actually killed, but ONI decided to make the numbers greater so that some might be completely black? Of course, that would involve Dr. Halsey to have colluded with ONI, or to have been in the dark about it. Again, this is just a theory. --[[User talk:Ant80|Ant80]] 19:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | This just occurred to me yesterday night. Just a theory at this stage. What if the 30 SPARTAN-II's killed during the augmentation process were not killed, but were siphoned off by ONI for other purposes, but listed them killed? Maybe a percentage were actually killed, but ONI decided to make the numbers greater so that some might be completely black? Of course, that would involve Dr. Halsey to have colluded with ONI, or to have been in the dark about it. Again, this is just a theory. --[[User talk:Ant80|Ant80]] 19:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I was thinking that some of the crippled kids might have been rehabilitated thanks to medical advances, but I like your idea better. --[[User talk:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 03:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | :I was thinking that some of the crippled kids might have been rehabilitated thanks to medical advances, but I like your idea better. --[[User talk:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 03:36, 16 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
::...although on further thought, it could be both. We need two groups of reinforcements to fix the numbers; one group to bring them up from <=16 to 25 for the briefing in FoR, and another group unknown to Halsey to bring them up to 30 following the briefing. The first group could be the ones who were crippled. That assumes that Jorge-052 is one of the 30, though, and it still doesn't explain Ralph-303's tag or Yasmine Zaman's existence. --[[User talk:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 07:15, February 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Spartans weak? == | == Spartans weak? == | ||
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== Kirk and Rene tags? == | == Kirk and Rene tags? == | ||
When did these show up? I've never heard of them having tags before, and their pages don't give reference to tags --[[ | When did these show up? I've never heard of them having tags before, and their pages don't give reference to tags --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br /> 21:33, October 10, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::These showed up as an Easter Egg in ODST. The discovery was made by Avateur at HBO and Omega was the one who began taking what was known and piecing the eggs together to come up with a very solid reference http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=944044. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 22:11, October 10, 2009 (UTC) | ::These showed up as an Easter Egg in ODST. The discovery was made by Avateur at HBO and Omega was the one who began taking what was known and piecing the eggs together to come up with a very solid reference http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=944044. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 22:11, October 10, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::They should not yet be confirmed as official until clarification from Bungie or 343 Studios. [[User talk:Metalingus627|Metalingus627]] 09:00, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | :::They should not yet be confirmed as official until clarification from Bungie or 343 Studios. [[User talk:Metalingus627|Metalingus627]] 09:00, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Can you tell me where to find these easter eggs in game? --[[ | Can you tell me where to find these easter eggs in game? --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br /> 19:31, October 11, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::They are on every vehicle you see in the game just go to the back of the vehicle and look where the license plate would be. There are 29 total plates that are randomly generated each time a new session begins. And just for clarification, the warthog does not contain any of the license plate eggs so don't bother looking. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 20:09, October 11, 2009 (UTC) | :::They are on every vehicle you see in the game just go to the back of the vehicle and look where the license plate would be. There are 29 total plates that are randomly generated each time a new session begins. And just for clarification, the warthog does not contain any of the license plate eggs so don't bother looking. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 20:09, October 11, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Thanks, I'll be sure to check them out --[[ | Thanks, I'll be sure to check them out --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br /> 22:57, October 13, 2009 (UTC) | ||
'''Please note:''' Kirk and Rene tags are apparently mentioned in the Halo Encyclopedia to be '''Kirk-018''' and '''Rene-005''', I am assuming the Halo Encyclopedia is more canon than the unconfirmed easter eggs, therefore James' number is still unknown. Please edit. --cv. | '''Please note:''' Kirk and Rene tags are apparently mentioned in the Halo Encyclopedia to be '''Kirk-018''' and '''Rene-005''', I am assuming the Halo Encyclopedia is more canon than the unconfirmed easter eggs, therefore James' number is still unknown. Please edit. --cv. | ||
:See: [[Talk:Halo Encyclopedia]].-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 14:46, October 24, 2009 (UTC) | :See: [[Talk:Halo Encyclopedia: The Definitive Guide to the Halo Universe]].-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 14:46, October 24, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== After the war... == | == After the war... == | ||
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I'm talking about the Superintendent symbol that's a link to the ODST game, and there was nothing about the SPARTAN II program in that game, no mentioning, nothing. ([[Special:Contributions/190.12.153.187|190.12.153.187]] 20:16, November 7, 2009 (UTC)) | I'm talking about the Superintendent symbol that's a link to the ODST game, and there was nothing about the SPARTAN II program in that game, no mentioning, nothing. ([[Special:Contributions/190.12.153.187|190.12.153.187]] 20:16, November 7, 2009 (UTC)) | ||
:I'm confused.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 20:20, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | :I'm confused.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 20:20, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::The guy is asking why there is an ERA-H3R at the top of the page, when SPARTANS are clearly not in Halo 3: '''ODST'''. I'm removing it. --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] | ::The guy is asking why there is an ERA-H3R at the top of the page, when SPARTANS are clearly not in Halo 3: '''ODST'''. I'm removing it. --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] 20:22, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Bah. Freaking page is locked D:< --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] | ::Bah. Freaking page is locked D:< --[[User:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:SteelBlue; font-family:Algerian; ">'''T'''</span>]] [[User Talk:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:DodgerBlue; font-family:Bodoni MT Condensed; ">'''3'''</span>]] UserWiki:Thunderstream328|<span style="color:Blue; font-family:Castellar; ">'''2'''</span>]] [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Thunderstream328 <span style="color:MidnightBlue; font-family:Courier New; ">'''8'''</span>] 20:23, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::There are license plates on some of the cars that have easter eggs on them. These include numbers and letters that obviously represent some of the Spartans and other things in the world of halo.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 23:25, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | :::There are license plates on some of the cars that have easter eggs on them. These include numbers and letters that obviously represent some of the Spartans and other things in the world of halo.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 23:25, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:Done.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:28, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | :Done.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:28, November 7, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Another thing for a staffer: I just realized the S-II's train for '''''7''''' years --[[ | Another thing for a staffer: I just realized the S-II's train for '''''7''''' years --[[halowikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|Lord of SPARTANs]]<sub>[[wikia:User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">LOMI HQ</font>]]</sub><sup>[[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#33FFFF>I here your cries</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Lordofmonsterisland|<font color=#CC3333>May your works be honorable</font>]]</sub><br /> 21:04, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Add it to the [[7]] article. This article doesn't need such silly reference. :P- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:09, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | :Add it to the [[Seven|7]] article. This article doesn't need such silly reference. :P- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:09, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Number == | == Number == | ||
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:::Well, the supporters of Class II take ILBs as confirmation, simply based on Yasmine's birth and conscription date. I personally do not believe that Class II exists, nor do I think that ILBs is canon.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 03:26, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | :::Well, the supporters of Class II take ILBs as confirmation, simply based on Yasmine's birth and conscription date. I personally do not believe that Class II exists, nor do I think that ILBs is canon.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 03:26, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::: | ::::ILB_Has been confirmed as canon, to my understanding. I take it Yasmine is/was a Spartan? --[[User:Maslab|Do not insult me.]] 03:45, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::According to the Halo encyclopedia, Yasmine was class 1.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 03:48, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | :::::According to the Halo encyclopedia, Yasmine was class 1.[[User talk:Spartan999|Spartan999]] 03:48, December 6, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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::He looks a little big to be a S-III, so I dought he is one.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:ODST Crest.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 03:03, December 15, 2009 (UTC) | ::He looks a little big to be a S-III, so I dought he is one.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:ODST Crest.png|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 03:03, December 15, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Bungie said that Jorge-052 is Noble Team's only S-II. [[User:Ocelot28|Ocelot28]] 15:05, February 09, 2010 (UTC) | Bungie said that Jorge-052 is Noble Team's only S-II. [[User:Ocelot28|Ocelot28]] 15:05, February 09, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Ok just a little confused here and hoping someone can explain this to me bc i cant seem to. Regardless which of the 3 Spartans are missing (Halo War's Red Team, Grey Team, Black Team), it is safe to say that 052 was not among them, meaning he was part of the Spartan mission to capture the Covenant leadership. Therefore, he should be aboard the Pillar when Red Team left to defend the generators. First Strike keeps track of those Spartans and how many die (even if all the KIA arn't mentioned by name). so tell me, how did a S-II get hooked up to Noble? | |||
==Listed as MIA== | ==Listed as MIA== | ||
The page is locked so somebody who can put this in please. In Halo Wars if a Spartan dies sometimes a Marine nearby will shout "Listed as MIA" | The page is locked so somebody who can put this in please. In Halo Wars if a Spartan dies sometimes a Marine nearby will shout "Listed as MIA" | ||
:Uh... no. What significance does that quote have?<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:54, December 18, 2009 (UTC) | :Uh... no. What significance does that quote have?<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 02:54, December 18, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::It's a reference to the [[Spartan MIA Protocol]], and it shows that some Marines were aware of or at least guessed its existence. Actually, it should probably be mentioned on that page if anywhere. --[[User talk:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 22:19, January 23, 2010 (UTC) | ::It's a reference to the [[Office of Naval Intelligence Directive 930|Spartan MIA Protocol]], and it shows that some Marines were aware of or at least guessed its existence. Actually, it should probably be mentioned on that page if anywhere. --[[User talk:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 22:19, January 23, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==Soren-066== | ==Soren-066== | ||
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To be seriously honest here, please do not make multiple revertions (Yes, that's a neologism) if you think a user's contribution is wrong, '''''start a talk page discussion'''''... and this is especially towards ECHOSTREAMJOSH. SPARTAN-IIs do not have any choice to not be a SPARTAN-II. If they do, why were they in the program? To say '''''"The discharged section is for "Spartans who became too wounded to continue active service after failed augmentation procedures.""''''' is just a poor reasoning. We do not know what happened to Ralph-303 after he returned to Halsey's halls of terror. What we do know is that years after their failed escape, Daisy became a SPARTAN and Ralph became a Marine. Now, using established information, those who successfully augmented became SPARTAN-IIs and those who didn't (by means of suffering injuries/deformities) are left to ONI. A candidate might not suffer any major deformities or major injuries, but he/she could have not been fully augmented like the rest of their peers as Halsey hoped they would. In other words, the augmentation was a failure and it didn't transformed the candidates into super-soldiers. Also, don't forget that Halsey had a "control group" for her scientific research, suggesting that those under this group might have undergone a different augmentation procedure which had no effect on them whatsoever. Now, going back to Ralph; it is strongly suggested that Ralph was one of these discharged SPARTAN candidates as he wasn't in the clad MJOLNIR armour and that he was relatively a normal 5'10" human as oppose to the 7' SPARTANs (Height comparison between him and the Sergeant).- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:51, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | To be seriously honest here, please do not make multiple revertions (Yes, that's a neologism) if you think a user's contribution is wrong, '''''start a talk page discussion'''''... and this is especially towards ECHOSTREAMJOSH. SPARTAN-IIs do not have any choice to not be a SPARTAN-II. If they do, why were they in the program? To say '''''"The discharged section is for "Spartans who became too wounded to continue active service after failed augmentation procedures.""''''' is just a poor reasoning. We do not know what happened to Ralph-303 after he returned to Halsey's halls of terror. What we do know is that years after their failed escape, Daisy became a SPARTAN and Ralph became a Marine. Now, using established information, those who successfully augmented became SPARTAN-IIs and those who didn't (by means of suffering injuries/deformities) are left to ONI. A candidate might not suffer any major deformities or major injuries, but he/she could have not been fully augmented like the rest of their peers as Halsey hoped they would. In other words, the augmentation was a failure and it didn't transformed the candidates into super-soldiers. Also, don't forget that Halsey had a "control group" for her scientific research, suggesting that those under this group might have undergone a different augmentation procedure which had no effect on them whatsoever. Now, going back to Ralph; it is strongly suggested that Ralph was one of these discharged SPARTAN candidates as he wasn't in the clad MJOLNIR armour and that he was relatively a normal 5'10" human as oppose to the 7' SPARTANs (Height comparison between him and the Sergeant).- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:51, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:One thing I must point out, is that Ralph and Daisy's escape was ''after'' the augmentation procedures. - | :One thing I must point out, is that Ralph and Daisy's escape was ''after'' the augmentation procedures. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 16:54, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Quote|Also, don't forget that Halsey had a "control group" for her scientific research, suggesting that those under this group might have undergone a different augmentation procedure which had no effect on them whatsoever.|After edit-conflict.}} | {{Quote|Also, don't forget that Halsey had a "control group" for her scientific research, suggesting that those under this group might have undergone a different augmentation procedure which had no effect on them whatsoever.|After edit-conflict.}} | ||
::As per quote above.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:59, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | ::As per quote above.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:59, February 5, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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hopefully we will find out all the other black team members names soon[[User talk:Philyboy2010|Philyboy2010]] 20:07, February 10, 2010 (UTC) | hopefully we will find out all the other black team members names soon[[User talk:Philyboy2010|Philyboy2010]] 20:07, February 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Spartan Count Theory == | |||
Assuming the Halo Wars timeline is right, 25 of the 28 surviving S-IIs were at Reach. If 33 survived augmentation minus 3 from Gray team, you have 5 KIA/MIA/WIA. Sam, Randall, and Shelia are all KIA/MIA from the novels, and we know what happened with Kurt. That leaves one more, and I have two scenarios. | |||
The first is that it’s Maria from Armor Testing. This would explain her retiring. At some point she was too wounded to continue efficiently with the S-IIs so she was discharged. Given all the other S-IIs were away or in combat, she’d be the only human who could possibly test MJOLNIR armor without dying. | |||
The other theory is it’s Jorge from Halo: Reach. How would an S-II end up with a squad of S-IIIs who barely survived Alpha and Beta company’s operations? It’s possible he was injured to where he wasn’t fit to continue with the S-IIs and was left to fight with some of the remaining S-IIIs. | |||
Though to make one or the other work, the other story needs an alternative. For Maria, it’s possible she was one of the 12 Spartans who were injured during augmentation. She may have been well enough for a chance at recovery and recovered enough to test the Mark VI, since she’d be the only one who could do it. Also, it’s possible Jorge was on Reach, got separated from Red Team during the battle, and regrouped with (or helped form) Noble Team. | |||
Personally I think it’s more likely that Jorge is the fifth, but there is the issue of the other squads. Let’s assume Halo Legends isn’t canonical on the subject of Spartan KIAs (since a lot of the situations just aren’t possible) and the squad from Halo Wars managed to make it back to Reach by 2552. As for Black Team I don't have the foggiest clue since the story of Blood Line isn't finished yet. Though combine this with the Halo Wars timeline on the 25 remaining Spartans and I believe we finally have some logical consistency in the Spartan count. | |||
Also, flipping back through Fall of Reach it says there were 2 dozen Spartans plus the Chief before the Battle of Reach, 3 who were away (Gray Team), 3 KIA and 1 wounded. This total is 32 (not the full 33), but that makes no mention of MIA one way or the other. This MIA could either be Kurt or Randall, the other of which being the third KIA. Either way, the consistency fits. | |||
[[User talk:Ctg867|Ctg867]] 06:31, February 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Black Team isn't counted in the 33, they were supposed to be part of those who died during augumentations. [[user:NuparuMahnika|NuparuMahnika]] 14:36, February 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Even better. What I'm saying may not be 100% true (and most of it isn't exactly new speculation), but I think when you look at the numbers this way then things work out (unless you consider Halo Legends as canon, which I don't). Maybe if Bonfire, the studio that came out from the Ensemble closing, is working on a Halo Wars sequel we can find out how Douglas, Jerome, and Alice made it back. My guess is ONI wanted to keep the flood a secret, which is why word about it wouldn't get out when Spirit of Fire made it back to civilization. | |||
::[[User talk:Ctg867|Ctg867]] 03:11, February 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Threefie reasserts that there's an answer == | |||
...to the numbers problem: [http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=967435 "Yes, there will be. Or more accurately, there is one, there has been for ages and we'll roll it out in the piece of fiction it's necessarily attached to. But it will get worse before it gets better."]. Apparently this reiterates something in the [http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=967420 Legends DVD commentary]. Not sure I buy it [http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=967451 myself], though. --[[User talk:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 06:36, February 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Class-II? -- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 04:29, June 5, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Quotes == | |||
Too many of the individual Spartan pages don't have quote pages. Unfortunately, I don't own any of the books so I can't do it myself; anybody else up for the job?[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 03:11, March 22, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Last I checked (Mind you, it was a while ago), we figured that there weren't enough quotes by the individual SPARTANs (Save John) to get them their own /Quotes pages, so we made a /Quotes subpage of this article.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 17:34, March 22, 2010 (UTC) | |||
The decision makes sense, I guess, but looking at the page now it's clearly under what it should be. There aren't any quotes from Spartans like Kelly or Kurt, both major characters who lack thier own quote pages. The same problem occurs with Halsey, this does need to be fixed.[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 04:15, March 23, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::They still don't have enough quotes. Johnson has a page only because he has loads of battle dialogue.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 15:13, March 23, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Jorge's Spartan Number == | |||
Is it 252 or 052? He is listed twice with both of those numbers. --[[User talk:Revan's Exile|Revan's Exile]] 20:11, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
His profile on Bnet's Halo: Reach page says, "Jorge-'''0'''52", so I'd go with that, unless they say otherwise. CoH/Member List#Field Masters|<span style="color:gold">''Field''</span>]] UoH/Member List#Colonel|<span style="color:#000000">''Master''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Spartansniper</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:black">50</span>]] 20:17, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::His official tag is SPARTAN-052 which lines up with the canon of the first class of the SPARTAN-II Program. Anything else is just an error. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 20:19, April 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||