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==Stormtrooper Corps== | ==Stormtrooper Corps== | ||
Regardless of the structural parallels, I'm not really comfortable comparing the Spartans, hugely successful but scarce supersoldiers, to the group that named the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy trope and personify Conservation of Ninjutsu. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | Regardless of the structural parallels, I'm not really comfortable comparing the Spartans, hugely successful but scarce supersoldiers, to the group that named the Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy trope and personify Conservation of Ninjutsu. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:29, 10 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
:If anything, the Stormtroopers (a semi-autonomous force that fights alongside the other branches of the armed forces, responsible for strategic assaults and boarding actions) are more comparable to Marines. Wookieepedia even makes the comparison.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 08:18, 10 June 2012 (EDT) | :If anything, the Stormtroopers (a semi-autonomous force that fights alongside the other branches of the armed forces, responsible for strategic assaults and boarding actions) are more comparable to Marines. Wookieepedia even makes the comparison.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 08:18, 10 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
::I agree with Specops. Making comparisons to the real-world is one thing, but fictional ones are more dubious, because the criteria is more iffy and if one comparison is made, the no. of other comparisons to other medias stretches ad infinitum.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 08:41, 10 June 2012 (EDT) | ::I agree with Specops. Making comparisons to the real-world is one thing, but fictional ones are more dubious, because the criteria is more iffy and if one comparison is made, the no. of other comparisons to other medias stretches ad infinitum.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 08:41, 10 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
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==Branch?== | ==Branch?== | ||
343 Industries has made the Spartans a separate branch? Yeah, this is something we over at Halo Fanon like to call "non-canon friendly". In other words, what the hell? This is so implausible, I don't even have the words to describe it. In this case, why not make the ODSTs into their own branch? Or ONI? Or even HighCom? | 343 Industries has made the Spartans a separate branch? Yeah, this is something we over at Halo Fanon like to call "non-canon friendly". In other words, what the hell? This is so implausible, I don't even have the words to describe it. In this case, why not make the ODSTs into their own branch? Or ONI? Or even HighCom? Sona21:16, 17 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
It should be very much noted that JSOC is simply a command structure and not an official military branch. I would also question the canonicity of Spartans being their own branch, even if that one blurb on the website says so. They are, in the end, just special forces soldiers originally trained by the Navy and in the Navy. There's no real reason to make them their own branch, as they would have to be attached to one anyway for transportation or logistical purposes, much like how ODSTs are Marines, but attached to NavSpecWep. As far as I can tell, NavSpecWep is the UNSC's equivalent of JSOC. --[[User talk:Maslab|Maslab]] 21:33, 17 June 2012 (EDT) | It should be very much noted that JSOC is simply a command structure and not an official military branch. I would also question the canonicity of Spartans being their own branch, even if that one blurb on the website says so. They are, in the end, just special forces soldiers originally trained by the Navy and in the Navy. There's no real reason to make them their own branch, as they would have to be attached to one anyway for transportation or logistical purposes, much like how ODSTs are Marines, but attached to NavSpecWep. As far as I can tell, NavSpecWep is the UNSC's equivalent of JSOC. --[[User talk:Maslab|Maslab]] 21:33, 17 June 2012 (EDT) | ||
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So it appears that Sarah Palmer, the Spartan CO aboard ''Infinity'', was formerly a Marine and currently holds the rank of Commander (which does not exist in the Marine Corps), does anyone else agree that the ranking scheme of the new Spartans home branches don't carry over into Spartan Branch? Rather, they have an independent, original, and potentially simplified structure for themselves? Most, if not all, of the Fours mentioned so far do not have any rank, just a title of "Spartan" prefixed to their full name. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | So it appears that Sarah Palmer, the Spartan CO aboard ''Infinity'', was formerly a Marine and currently holds the rank of Commander (which does not exist in the Marine Corps), does anyone else agree that the ranking scheme of the new Spartans home branches don't carry over into Spartan Branch? Rather, they have an independent, original, and potentially simplified structure for themselves? Most, if not all, of the Fours mentioned so far do not have any rank, just a title of "Spartan" prefixed to their full name. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | ||
:I agree that the Spartan branch must use its own hierarchy, with a recruit's former rank being discarded à la the SAS. It makes sense for the branch to use Navy ranks, considering its ONI roots. This wouldn't be the first time Jennifer Hale has voiced a commander in a military with a [[ | :I agree that the Spartan branch must use its own hierarchy, with a recruit's former rank being discarded à la the SAS. It makes sense for the branch to use Navy ranks, considering its ONI roots. This wouldn't be the first time Jennifer Hale has voiced a commander in a military with a [[wikia:masseffect:Codex/Humanity and the Systems Alliance#Systems Alliance: Military Ranks|streamlined ranking system]]. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 14:05, 30 October 2012 (EDT) | ||
::Exactly what I was thinking actually. :P Either that, or Lieutenant Colonel has been replaced by the Commander rank in the post-war Marine Corps. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | ::Exactly what I was thinking actually. :P Either that, or Lieutenant Colonel has been replaced by the Commander rank in the post-war Marine Corps. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | ||
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:[https://youtu.be/ArA4SQgT4d0 It's shown on the loading screen of each episode along with both the Spartan emblem and the UNSC emblem.] Since the motto is closer to the latter symbol, I agree that it's probably the motto of the entire UNSC. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our answer is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 09:45, 3 March 2017 (EST) | :[https://youtu.be/ArA4SQgT4d0 It's shown on the loading screen of each episode along with both the Spartan emblem and the UNSC emblem.] Since the motto is closer to the latter symbol, I agree that it's probably the motto of the entire UNSC. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our answer is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 09:45, 3 March 2017 (EST) | ||
::I agree. Also makes more sense to say that the UNSC covers sea, land, and space, rather than the Spartans. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 09:56, 3 March 2017 (EST) | |||
== New ranks == | |||
I have been told [[Halo: Official Spartan Field Manual]] gave a ranking hierarchy for the SPARTAN IVs. | |||
"Spartan Branch rank equivalence: Spartan/1st lieutenant, Fireteam Leader/captain, Mission Handler/Major, Spartan commander/colonel...though this rarely extends outside of their own chain of command" | |||
If anyone has the book to find page numbers for citing, I think this seems like it is worth adding. - [[User:Enough Redshirts|Enough Redshirts]] ([[User talk:Enough Redshirts|talk]]) 02:52, March 17, 2019 (EDT) | |||