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:I've had this argument several times with people on this site. Some won't listen. <span style="color:#666666">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Editcount/Smoke.|My Editcount]]</sup></span> 18:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC) | :I've had this argument several times with people on this site. Some won't listen. <span style="color:#666666">'''Smoke''' <sup>[[User:Smoke.|My page]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Smoke.|My talk]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Editcount/Smoke.|My Editcount]]</sup></span> 18:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
the second number only indicates the case length in metric designations '''NOT''' in all designations if it dosn't say '''mm''' it may not be a metric designation! The original discussion about this round centered on the size of a battle rifle's magazine, and "How could you fit 36 rounds in x amount of space if they are 40mm long?" The discussion concentrated on the length of this fictional round in a fictional magazine.[[http:// | the second number only indicates the case length in metric designations '''NOT''' in all designations if it dosn't say '''mm''' it may not be a metric designation! The original discussion about this round centered on the size of a battle rifle's magazine, and "How could you fit 36 rounds in x amount of space if they are 40mm long?" The discussion concentrated on the length of this fictional round in a fictional magazine.[[http://halopedian.com/Talk:BR55_Battle_Rifle]] see link 9.5mm x40 | ||
[[User talk:Dagger133|Dagger133]] 06:57, October 25, 2009 (UTC) | [[User talk:Dagger133|Dagger133]] 06:57, October 25, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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1. He knows nothing about shot placement. He actually recommends headshots, which is something ANY marine knows is a dumb idea. I already went into why lower on the page. | 1. He knows nothing about shot placement. He actually recommends headshots, which is something ANY marine knows is a dumb idea. I already went into why lower on the page. | ||
2. He doesn't know a thing about recoil. Read what he said on the talk page for | 2. He doesn't know a thing about recoil. Read what he said on the talk page for Talk:M7/Caseless Submachine Gun when talking to me. IE: "Recoil is dependent not on the size of the round, but on the amount (and type) of propellant used and on the weight and design of the weapon in question" The size of the bullet has EVERYTHING to do with recoil, or at least the mass does. More mass means more momentum for the same energy. More momentum mean more recoil impulse. Propellant makes little difference, propellant is too light to transfer much momentum, hence why there is so nil recoil when you fire a blank. The only thing that matters is the momentum transferred to the bullet and the weight of the weapon. | ||
3. He actually thinks energy transfer equates to stopping power. Look lower on the page. (It's hard to be dummer. A baseball bat transfers an order of magnitude more energy than a 9mm, does that mean it does an order of magnitude more damage?) The ONLY thing a bullet does is punch a hole in the target, that's its ONLY job. The size of the hole, which is the extent of the physical damage done, is what determines the damage. The only ways to do more damage are to either put a hole through something more important (The heart, not the head. The HEART.) or to leave a bigger hole, preferably both. A bigger hole bleeds faster, takes longer to seal, and therefore leads to more blood loss. It also means more damage to tissue, especially when it comes to muscles, like the HEART, because muscle's flexibility means it so it won't tear as easily as skin. | 3. He actually thinks energy transfer equates to stopping power. Look lower on the page. (It's hard to be dummer. A baseball bat transfers an order of magnitude more energy than a 9mm, does that mean it does an order of magnitude more damage?) The ONLY thing a bullet does is punch a hole in the target, that's its ONLY job. The size of the hole, which is the extent of the physical damage done, is what determines the damage. The only ways to do more damage are to either put a hole through something more important (The heart, not the head. The HEART.) or to leave a bigger hole, preferably both. A bigger hole bleeds faster, takes longer to seal, and therefore leads to more blood loss. It also means more damage to tissue, especially when it comes to muscles, like the HEART, because muscle's flexibility means it so it won't tear as easily as skin. | ||
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[[User talk:YesMan48|YesMan48]] 22:06, February 26, 2010 (UTC) | [[User talk:YesMan48|YesMan48]] 22:06, February 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Yes, I have, an Iraqi no less. He was a tough one, looked suprisingly well-nourished for somebody in a third world country. This was 2004, so he could've been military. | |||
He was a bit too agressive for his own good. He attacked a group of guardsman with an ak-47, he wounded 3, two seriously, although only one succumbed to their injuries. The third one shot him with a revolver and he shot them back, both survived. We found him the next day 2km down the road, he was hurt but still functioning. The Bradley fired on him and nearly removed his left hand. He collapsed about 3 metres away, he pulled a gun on us but dropped it before he could fire, I finished him off with a burst to the left side of his chest and looked him over to see how he survived. | |||
The .44 FMJ passed through his chest, as expected, and even through a lung, but the wound had been properly treated, somebody had fixed him up good, but he had to be one tough son of a bitch to make it to a doctor with a bullet through his lung. He couldn't of gotten far with a wound like that, and sure enough, he'd been treated not 2 blocks from where he'd fired upon the guardsmen. It was from him I got my first Kalashnikov. [[User talk:Avianmosquito|Avianmosquito]] 01:03, February 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
: Nice. Okay. Well, you know, I got that from Wikipedia. Anyways... | |||
: Wait... You said it was a .44 FMJ, not the .44 Magnum. Are they basically the same? I always thought that FMJs were better against light armour, and Magnums just had more gunpowder. | |||
: [[User talk:YesMan48|YesMan48]] 02:57, March 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||
no offence but try agin | |||
You're wrong on both counts. A .44 FMJ '''IS''' a .44 magnum. All the FMJ means is that it uses a full-metal jacketed, non-expanding bullet as opposed to a JHP (the standard) which is a semi-jacketed expanding bullet. This means more penetration at the expense of stopping power. Either way it's still the same cartridge, it's still 11*33mm. Either way I don't really like it, too little stopping power for it's amount of recoil. I prefer the .454 Casull myself. [[User talk:Avianmosquito|Avianmosquito]] 04:49, March 16, 2010 (UTC) | |||