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Just thought a comment section would be appropriate. As for Karen Traviss and her hatred of Halsey, I think one needs to consider the root of her hatred: what exactly did 343i told her about Halsey before she started writing the Trilogy or, to be more exact, did they even care to provide precedent materials on Halsey to Traviss (as to ensuring consistency, notwithstanding her views on Halsey's actions and involvement with the SII Program)? — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 13:59, 26 January 2014 (EST) | Just thought a comment section would be appropriate. As for Karen Traviss and her hatred of Halsey, I think one needs to consider the root of her hatred: what exactly did 343i told her about Halsey before she started writing the Trilogy or, to be more exact, did they even care to provide precedent materials on Halsey to Traviss (as to ensuring consistency, notwithstanding her views on Halsey's actions and involvement with the SII Program)? — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 13:59, 26 January 2014 (EST) | ||
:Well it's not like Halsey's a saint, she devastated hundreds of lives by kidnapping children and replacing them with clones doomed to die. Although, in hindsight this allowed the SPARTAN-IIs to save millions (if not billions) of lives. While that may make it one sided, don't forget people like [[Staffan Sentzke]] whose lives were radically altered because of Halsey's actions. Both sides have a valid point. [[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]][[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]][[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]] 14:20, 26 January 2014 (EST) | :I don't doubt that 343 would've been glad to give Traviss a copy of ''The Fall of Reach'' or any of the novels Halsey's been featured in. To get a proper idea of what her character is about you really have to read through the books, which Traviss openly states is not part of her MO (though it's clear she's flipped through the journal). Just like I doubt Lucasfilm told her to portray the Jedi as a sinister elitist dictatorship, I doubt all the hate was part of some higher-level decision. 343i probably told her to arrange for Halsey to be arrested and that's it, basically. Then Traviss takes a look at the basics of the Spartan-II program and sets off to set it right the only way she can. So I do think 343i had the precedent material thing covered. It's just that they don't seem to have much in the way of editorial control over the final product. Though who knows; maybe there used to be twice the amount of hate and it got cut down in the process? --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 14:47, 26 January 2014 (EST) | ||
Well it's not like Halsey's a saint, she devastated hundreds of lives by kidnapping children and replacing them with clones doomed to die. Although, in hindsight this allowed the SPARTAN-IIs to save millions (if not billions) of lives. While that may make it one sided, don't forget people like [[Staffan Sentzke]] whose lives were radically altered because of Halsey's actions. Both sides have a valid point. [[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]][[User:Spartansniper450/IRC Quotes|<span style="color:#000000">''Col.''</span>]] [[User:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:#00416A">Snipes</span>]][[User talk:Spartansniper450|<span style="color:gold">4</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<span style="color:silver">50</span>]][[File:Colonel Grade One.png|20px]] 14:20, 26 January 2014 (EST) | |||
:Like I said, it's not the fact that given characters hate Halsey that bugs me (most of them have their reasons), it's the flagrant hypocrisy on part of many of said characters and the one-sided treatment that does a disservice to the complexity of the whole issue. In every other case of moral dilemmas in these books, the ambiguity is acknowledged or sidestepped. The Insurrection? Ambiguous. Both sides had their reasons. Arming the Sangheili rebels? Ambiguous, but bent towards justified by the narrative and its portrayal of the Sangheili. The SPARTAN-III program? Acknowledged to be wrong, but mostly ignored sans a few mentions. The SPARTAN-II program? Irredeemably, unconditionally wrong. Absolutely no middle ground. Halsey is an evil, unfeeling eugenicist who deserves nothing but contempt; never mind Parangosky and the ONI leadership who cheerfully funded the whole thing and held Halsey's hand every step of the way to the point Halsey had to keep them from getting too excited with things like surgically induced brainwashing. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 14:47, 26 January 2014 (EST) | |||