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:::It would be very interesting to stick the new ''Dawn'' into a hypothetical ''Halo 3: Anniversary'' and see how much we couldn't do anymore. No more Pelicans being dropped from beneath, no more Scorpions deployed to the Ark's surface, and most key to a cutscene, no Warthog jump into the back of one to rescue ourselves from a shattering Halo ring. I do fully understand your concerns, but so much of that ship does not even make internal sense within the context of Halo 4. If you pay attention to what levels things are on in the game, the decks don't make sense. Cortana indicates where you travel is greater than the actual trip. The dimensions of the ''Dawn'' are way off. The aft half of the ''Dawn'' is so large, the full ship would be pretty much cruiser length. How do you reconcile that to it's canonical length, width, and height? Look at the H4 Visual Guide page revealed on the ''Forward Unto Dawn'' entry: they still use the ship's Halo 3 dimensions, but it ''can't'' be right if you look at the dimensional ratios. The redesign introduces so many problems that they can't be reconciled with just being 'new'. So, in an effort to have things make sense, where do you draw the line. This is a case where if you take all canon info, it still doesn't add up. You'll have to pick and choose. - [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 10:42, 21 July 2013 (EDT) | :::It would be very interesting to stick the new ''Dawn'' into a hypothetical ''Halo 3: Anniversary'' and see how much we couldn't do anymore. No more Pelicans being dropped from beneath, no more Scorpions deployed to the Ark's surface, and most key to a cutscene, no Warthog jump into the back of one to rescue ourselves from a shattering Halo ring. I do fully understand your concerns, but so much of that ship does not even make internal sense within the context of Halo 4. If you pay attention to what levels things are on in the game, the decks don't make sense. Cortana indicates where you travel is greater than the actual trip. The dimensions of the ''Dawn'' are way off. The aft half of the ''Dawn'' is so large, the full ship would be pretty much cruiser length. How do you reconcile that to it's canonical length, width, and height? Look at the H4 Visual Guide page revealed on the ''Forward Unto Dawn'' entry: they still use the ship's Halo 3 dimensions, but it ''can't'' be right if you look at the dimensional ratios. The redesign introduces so many problems that they can't be reconciled with just being 'new'. So, in an effort to have things make sense, where do you draw the line. This is a case where if you take all canon info, it still doesn't add up. You'll have to pick and choose. - [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 10:42, 21 July 2013 (EDT) | ||
::::Ah, hypothetical situations. Love doing these things in school. :3 | |||
::::I would think it is still possible to simulate those memorable scenes with a change in map geometry here and there (if not the geometry, the map texture will be updated, just like what was done to the natural walls in H1A... T&R comes to mind). The cinematic team would definitely have to make some risky changes to make sure it all fits in. It's doable, but fans (especially the hardcore story ones) would rage if they cannot/don't accept the changes (but history shows that this might change as an increasing number are warming up with H4's redesigns and 343i's efforts of expanding the franchise, ala ''"give 'em a chance"'' and/or ''"343i is [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod word of god]"'' comment). | |||
::::As for the Dawn's appearance in H4, I would go with this: its new appearance is canon but its size (or scalability) in the campaign is exaggerated to accommodate gameplay (which has been done countless times in Halo). So, by eliminating the need to accommodate gameplay space, the real Dawn would be far smaller than its actual appearance, and certain events that transpired in H4's campaign with the Dawn would need to be reconsidered to make sure all makes sense. That being said, I am all in to change Charon's main picture to H4's redesign with H3 design moved to the gallery. It is important to stress that the Dawn's size is greatly exaggerated for gameplay space. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:59, 21 July 2013 (EDT) | |||