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== Could the UNSC army be on earth at the time of H-3 == | == Could the UNSC army be on earth at the time of H-3 == | ||
Well its more of a really | Well its more of a really simple theory if the defence group you know Hood Strattus Ackerson and the other brass pulled most of the fleet to earth wouldn't the army be there also the army would use the same type of combat dress as the Marines minus the ODST armor. The UNSC Army might have also went with the marines to the Ark because at the end of the game it never clarified who exactly went in the portal minus Johnson and Keyes and John it seems to me that the marine garrision is low because of Reach. | ||
** Well, I don't think the Army uniforms would be the same as the [[Marine]] uniforms. I think they would rather look like [[Colonial Militia]] outfits. And I don't think the Army went to the [[Ark]] either, because the Army is a land-based force unlike the Marines who get to ride in starships and yonder the galaxy. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font> | ** Well, I don't think the Army uniforms would be the same as the [[Marine]] uniforms. I think they would rather look like [[Colonial Militia]] outfits. And I don't think the Army went to the [[Ark]] either, because the Army is a land-based force unlike the Marines who get to ride in starships and yonder the galaxy. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 17:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
*** The Army was probably setting up defensisves across the world along with peacekeeping efforts following the Marine leave for the Ark. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 18:36, November 19, 2009 (UTC) | *** The Army was probably setting up defensisves across the world along with peacekeeping efforts following the Marine leave for the Ark. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 18:36, November 19, 2009 (UTC) | ||
they could be a planetary defence force like a better trained version of the colianial militia --[[User talk:Bruce9|Bruce9]] 03:22, November 20, 2009 (UTC) | they could be a planetary defence force like a better trained version of the colianial militia --[[User talk:Bruce9|Bruce9]] 03:22, November 20, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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If you've read all the previous novels, and you know as much about the military as I do, you'd notice that Eric Nylund is not very military savy and has made hanus mistakes concerning ranks before (describing 2nd and 1st Lieutenants as Navy ranks, for example). [[User:Idolo|Idolo]] 18:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | If you've read all the previous novels, and you know as much about the military as I do, you'd notice that Eric Nylund is not very military savy and has made hanus mistakes concerning ranks before (describing 2nd and 1st Lieutenants as Navy ranks, for example). [[User:Idolo|Idolo]] 18:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
:We asked Eric Nylund if you can check the ''letters of canon''. The UNSC Army exists. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font> | :We asked Eric Nylund if you can check the ''letters of canon''. The UNSC Army exists. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font>]]</b> 19:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
Letters of canon? What? [[User:Idolo|Idolo]] 19:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | Letters of canon? What? [[User:Idolo|Idolo]] 19:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
<nowiki>[[Category: Letters of Canon]]</nowiki> - <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font> | <nowiki>[[Category:Letters of Canon]]</nowiki> - <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font>]]</b> 19:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
Better yet, look at | Better yet, look at THIS --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 20:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
It still looks to me like he made a typo and tried to cover it up later by saying there really is a UNSC Army, instead of actually admitting to his mistake. I wouldn't try and get my Halo facts from him, especially after "1st and 2nd Lieutenant Lovell". [[User:Idolo|Idolo]] 20:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | It still looks to me like he made a typo and tried to cover it up later by saying there really is a UNSC Army, instead of actually admitting to his mistake. I wouldn't try and get my Halo facts from him, especially after "1st and 2nd Lieutenant Lovell". [[User:Idolo|Idolo]] 20:25, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
He's our best source of contact. We trust anything that comes from him, so yeah. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font> | He's our best source of contact. We trust anything that comes from him, so yeah. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">A</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">J</font>]]</b> 20:26, 19 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
He's the writer of halo setting the plot outside the video game there so he set up the halo universe and had access to the halo bible.Do you have access to the halo bible didn't think so.--[[User talk:Bruce9|Bruce9]] 01:35, October 26, 2009 (UTC) | He's the writer of halo setting the plot outside the video game there so he set up the halo universe and had access to the halo bible.Do you have access to the halo bible didn't think so.--[[User talk:Bruce9|Bruce9]] 01:35, October 26, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:That would go under "Theories" or "Speculation" then, right? --[[User:TerminalFailure|TerminalFailure]] 05:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | :That would go under "Theories" or "Speculation" then, right? --[[User:TerminalFailure|TerminalFailure]] 05:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
::It wouldn't go anywhere, actually - since that's all it is, I can't, and shouldn't, put it into the article. If only Bungie gave us at least a ''little'' information on the Army... --''' | ::It wouldn't go anywhere, actually - since that's all it is, I can't, and shouldn't, put it into the article. If only Bungie gave us at least a ''little'' information on the Army... --'''UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 20:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
::The military body of the UNSC tasked with peacekeeping is the [[Colonial Militia]], a branch of the Army. The Army itself would be a much larger and more important force. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font> | ::The military body of the UNSC tasked with peacekeeping is the [[Colonial Militia]], a branch of the Army. The Army itself would be a much larger and more important force. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 15:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Actually, I don't think the Colonial Militia is even part of the UNSC Army. Plus, the UNSC Army does patrol colony worlds, and it may be a larger landing force if the Marines are overwhelmed. -- -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Red">The Sarge</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">My Comm Line</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">What I've done</font>]]</sub></b> 15:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | :::Actually, I don't think the Colonial Militia is even part of the UNSC Army. Plus, the UNSC Army does patrol colony worlds, and it may be a larger landing force if the Marines are overwhelmed. -- -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Red">The Sarge</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">My Comm Line</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">What I've done</font>]]</sub></b> 15:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::The CM serves as a paramilitary defense force, and it's usually called into action when natural disasters or invasions occur. It's also comprised of half-time soldiers. As far as we know, such a military force is never supported by the Marines, but by the Army instead. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font> | ::::The CM serves as a paramilitary defense force, and it's usually called into action when natural disasters or invasions occur. It's also comprised of half-time soldiers. As far as we know, such a military force is never supported by the Marines, but by the Army instead. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 16:14, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::::Then why are three Marines training, supplying, and supporting them in Contact Harvest? -- -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Red">The Sarge</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">My Comm Line</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">What I've done</font>]]</sub></b> 16:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | :::::Then why are three Marines training, supplying, and supporting them in Contact Harvest? -- -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Red">The Sarge</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">My Comm Line</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="red">What I've done</font>]]</sub></b> 16:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::::Because anyone can enlist in the Colonial Militia, including Marines. The fact that the Marines supply the militia, doesn't mean it's controlled by the Marines. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font> | ::::::Because anyone can enlist in the Colonial Militia, including Marines. The fact that the Marines supply the militia, doesn't mean it's controlled by the Marines. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 22:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC) | ||
Not true at all... the U.S. Army, and the British Army, both are a fighting force that actually takes more ground than the Marines in offensive operations. (see Iraq war 2003) Also the WW2 European theater was exclusively fought by the Army. Infact the ODST's resemble Army Rangers, and Army Airborne "troopers" more so than any Marine force. I think it's inconsistency's, and a general lack of military knowledge of Halo authors, and Bungie staff that are responsible for the general lunacy of UNSC military structure. Ross-073 6:51 19 Dec 2009 Baghdad time. | Not true at all... the U.S. Army, and the British Army, both are a fighting force that actually takes more ground than the Marines in offensive operations. (see Iraq war 2003) Also the WW2 European theater was exclusively fought by the Army. Infact the ODST's resemble Army Rangers, and Army Airborne "troopers" more so than any Marine force. I think it's inconsistency's, and a general lack of military knowledge of Halo authors, and Bungie staff that are responsible for the general lunacy of UNSC military structure. Ross-073 6:51 19 Dec 2009 Baghdad time. | ||
== | == Army in Reach == | ||
Looks like we get the UNSC Army in Halo: Reach. Who knows, the Spartan-III project maybe Army/Navy not marines/navy. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 00:59, January 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
The Spartans of Noble have naval ranks, but their overseer, a Colonel Urban Holland, is Army - I would say that they've been transferred out from under Ackerson's command into another Army special operations branch. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 02:27, January 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Where does it say Urban is army? --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 02:38, January 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::On the Reach Project Page, Urban writes, as a side note, that "we're Army." --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 14:49, January 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::: Crap, the Army isn't in Reach. This sucks a ton. I have been waiting forever for some UNSC Army guys. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 03:06, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::Why do you say that? Some of the concept art is labelled "Army Trooper," not "Marines", and add Colonel Holland...it adds up to the Army having at least a small presence in the game. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 12:14, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::The Bungie update made it seem like they were was Marines. I still think there maybe both in the game. However, the "Army" label on the concept art could be a generic term, like how they use it in Halo Wars.--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 14:48, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::The concept art may still be for Army soldiers; Bungie only said that the model featured in this image is a Marine. They said nothing about the concept art. While similar, I think the concept labeled "Army" could still be on this page, as there's nothing that disproves it. For now. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 15:23, January 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Can we unlock this article? I have stuff to add, since it seems Reach is going to have almost all army weapons.--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 04:15, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I think the fact that, for once, we're not going to play as Marines in a Halo game needs time to sink well in some of the thicker heads around here. Regardless, I'm going to try to add some of the stuff on B.net into relevant articles concerning the UNSC Army. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 08:00, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Alright, sounds fair. I'll do the same.--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 14:41, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
[http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BWU_012910] | |||
Question:'' Are the human soldiers seen in the screenshots Army or Marines? Will we see only Army troops, or both Marines and Army?'' | |||
Urk:''The troopers seen in the current crop of screenshots are indeed Army Troopers. And of course you’ll see some Marines!'' | |||
There's your proof :). <BIG><b><font face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:3vil D3m0n|<font color="red">3vil</font>]] [[User talk:3vil D3m0n|<font color="blue">D3m0n</font>]]</font></b></BIG> <i><b><sup><font face="Comic Sans MS">[[Special:Contributions/3vil D3m0n|<font color="green">Don't worry, I'm not really evil...</font>]]</font></sup></b></i> 13:41, January 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Possible Army Logo == | |||
Could the logo on the bottom of the new weapon images be the Army's logo? [http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/6/6d/Go_army.jpg Image]. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 05:15, January 31, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:It could be the manufacturer's company logo.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 05:30, January 31, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::I'm thinking more along the lines of the symbol on the Troopers' shoulders. It could possibly relate to the Army's logo. Regards, [[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 08:00, January 31, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::The shoulder symbol seems more likely to be some form of [[wikipedia:Tactical recognition flash|tactical recognition flash]] than the Army emblem itself.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 10:49, January 31, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Spartan 3's army personnel? == | |||
Don't the S3's come under the army's jurisdiction? The differeing ranks and the comment that Colonel made about contraband being illegal in the Navy but not being concerned as they are army. | |||
:No they are under the [[Navy]]'s command. [[NAVSPECWAR]] to be specific. --[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 17:30, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:: Noble Team reports under [[SPECWARCOM]], which is likely an Army Branch. I don't know about the rest of the IIIs however. [[User talk:Spartan 112|112]] 17:50, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::The Colonel was referring to himself. He was saying that he doesn't have to report contraband Covenant materials as the Army doesn't have an equivalent to the Naval rule. SPECWAR isn't a branch of the Army, but another military division altogether. They deploy troops for both the Army and Navy - The Navy's group being "NAVSPECWAR".-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 16:45, August 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the soldiers in Reach that board the Corvette with you in Long Night of Solace marines? | |||
:They're Sabre pilots, and I'm not sure if their branch has ever been specified. They could even be Air Force for all we know. They wear blue-gray suits like the Falcon pilots in other levels, though. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 22:30, September 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Inclusion of list of (known) UNSC Army Units? == | |||
hey there guys, | |||
i'm a big fan of halopedia, and i've just noticed a slight oversight here on the main page; | |||
as with the UNSC Navy and the UNSC MArine Corps pages, | |||
Shouldn't there be a list of all known UNSC army units here on this page too? | |||
Yo me, the main article just seems a it empty and short. | |||
If you disagree with me, you can email me at minhncao@yahoo.com.au | |||
Just putting it out there, | |||
Good question I would ask the admins before doing anything[[#@lof@n1234]] 21:26, 22 February 2011 (EST) | |||
: | :We don't have a list of all known units on the UNSC Marine Corps article - I just checked.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 14:26, 23 February 2011 (EST) | ||
NO, i mean, look on the page entitled List of UNSC Military Units here | |||
http://www.halopedian.com/List_of_UNSC_military_units | |||
and you'll see that these units should be mentioned here too on the main article | |||
minhncao@yahoo.com.au is my email if you need to contact me[[Special:Contributions/211.31.28.170|211.31.28.170]] 21:26, 23 February 2011 (EST) | |||
==Aniversary Marines== | |||
With regards to the last piece of trivia, I Haven't seen any marines with the division patch, rather, they all have the UNSC patch. I think that it was simply an error/glitch in whoever wrote the trivia's copy. The "U" in UNSC clips through the pauldron on mine, for example. Dose anyone think to the contrary? - [[User talk:DefeatingLine|DefeatingLine]] 19:08, 13 May 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Requiem== | |||
Why were these guys sent to Requiem? Infinity already has Marines AND S-IVs.{{Unsigned|108.67.162.18}} | |||
Oh I don't know the same reason why the US sends both Marines and Army to Iraq and Afghanistan? That they have different responsibilities and roles? --[[User talk:LeeUnit92|LeeUnit92]] 01:45, 9 December 2012 (EST) | |||
Were they intended to take over, at least for the Marines after they secured a foothold?{{Unsigned|108.67.162.18}} | |||
To whoever is asking these questions, you should tag your comments by pressing the ~ key 4 times so we know whos talking, and where your post ends. Also the soldiers in Halo: 4 all appear to be Marines not Army. Its possible army units are attached, but in the halo universe they seem to be more of a planetary defence force. [[User talk:VARGR|VARGR]] 22:23, 13 December 2012 (EST) | |||
:The Army and Air Force units reassigned to Requiem were possibly deployed there to begin a large-scale, permanent occupation of the planet. But I've always doubted that the Army, at the very least, is a purely "garrison force." I'm sure it was stated as such because the UNSC was mostly on the defensive and huge planetary invasions mounted by the Army would have been costly, whereas Marine offensives would have been small and swift. Now that the UNSC is the seemingly sole superpower in the post-war galaxy, the Army can now deploy in-strength for expeditionary roles. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | |||
The | Has it ever been explained which ones are Army in Halo4? The green or white BDU's?[[User:Qzmju123|Qzmju123]] ([[User talk:Qzmju123|talk]]) 16:59, 2 May 2013 (EDT) | ||
There appears to be some confusion over expeditionary and defensive forces in the Haloverse in general. Army would typically be a defense force stationed to defend a colony. Air Force would seem to be a similar role, but defense of the sky or local planetary space. The Navy and Marines are primarily the expeditionary forces of the UNSC that would travel colony to colony. | |||
: | This is my take: | ||
'''UNSCEF''' | |||
Navy (FLEETCOM and NAVSPECWAR) - [this is the fleet, plus attached Marines and ODSTs and Spartan IIs] | |||
---Marines (Navy sub-branch) | |||
Spartans | |||
'''UNSCDF''' | |||
Navy (NAVLOGCOM) - [this includes ONI, Spartan IIIs, plus UNSC groundside bases and space stations] | |||
Army | |||
Air Force | |||
Incidentally, there is actually a graphic texture in Halo Reach that shows the eagle UNSC logo with the UNSCEF in the banner for 'expeditionary forces' just as we first saw UNSCDF on Cairo station for defense forces. I'm pretty sure it's an unused texture file but I can't rule out it wasn't seen in Reach. I just don't recall it. -[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 14:45, 22 August 2013 (EDT) | |||