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::I think you misunderstood me, those examples were meant to show that ONI pulls aside SPARTANs all the time. And they do. Black team was pulled aside after the augmentations. While it isn't necesarily certain ONI lied about them, I believe the media on them said something like "so secret they were kept from their peers" (paraphrasing). So I am just curious how many could possibly be left, because we only know of ''four'' total wash-outs (we can't trust ONI so we basically have to see the body to confirm it). That leaves the fate of up to 22 SPARTANs uncertain. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 09:37, 31 July 2011 (EDT) | ::I think you misunderstood me, those examples were meant to show that ONI pulls aside SPARTANs all the time. And they do. Black team was pulled aside after the augmentations. While it isn't necesarily certain ONI lied about them, I believe the media on them said something like "so secret they were kept from their peers" (paraphrasing). So I am just curious how many could possibly be left, because we only know of ''four'' total wash-outs (we can't trust ONI so we basically have to see the body to confirm it). That leaves the fate of up to 22 SPARTANs uncertain. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 09:37, 31 July 2011 (EDT) | ||
:::1) Actually, he says that thirty-two ''other'' Spartans had survived. Including John, that's thirty-three. 2) Black Team was probably spirited away under the guise that they had died. However, in her journal, Halsey says that the washouts' funeral was to be closed-casket, that no autopsies were to be performed, and that their bodies would be placed in cryo. She expresses her hope that some of the washouts can be brought back from clinical death: she then expresses her fear for what ONI would do with their own secret team Spartans. The fact that she is concerned about this seems like a <u>big</u> indication of Black Team's origins. 3) To clarify this entire issue, I've made a | :::1) Actually, he says that thirty-two ''other'' Spartans had survived. Including John, that's thirty-three. 2) Black Team was probably spirited away under the guise that they had died. However, in her journal, Halsey says that the washouts' funeral was to be closed-casket, that no autopsies were to be performed, and that their bodies would be placed in cryo. She expresses her hope that some of the washouts can be brought back from clinical death: she then expresses her fear for what ONI would do with their own secret team Spartans. The fact that she is concerned about this seems like a <u>big</u> indication of Black Team's origins. 3) To clarify this entire issue, I've made a comprehensive overview of the program's survivors, cripples, and washouts; aside from the newly revealed Sarah Osbun, it is entirely up-to-date. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 09:54, 31 July 2011 (EDT) | ||
::::Thank you very much. This puts some legitimacy to what I'm saying so I don't sound crazy. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 10:48, 31 July 2011 (EDT) | ::::Thank you very much. This puts some legitimacy to what I'm saying so I don't sound crazy. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 10:48, 31 July 2011 (EDT) | ||
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:::::As for "pics" if the first image on the article is valid and accurate to the canon, that is a great piece of evidence to look at which supports what I wrote given the location of of both stitches and bandages. Whether you wish to discuss the validity of the comic itself, is at your discretion. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 12:53, 29 January 2012 (EST) | :::::As for "pics" if the first image on the article is valid and accurate to the canon, that is a great piece of evidence to look at which supports what I wrote given the location of of both stitches and bandages. Whether you wish to discuss the validity of the comic itself, is at your discretion. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 12:53, 29 January 2012 (EST) | ||
::::::If you really want to get into the brain surgery metaphor, there is a clear difference. Brain surgery implies that the doctor is certain what he/she must do and causes a bit of deliberate injury before repairing it. But to compare it with the conjecture written in the article would be akin to cutting open someone's head for surgery without really knowing if you can put it back together. | |||
::::::If the images are from a Halo book, then it's valid. Speculation, however, should be removed since the Halo universe is still to this day vague about how technology works in the 26th century as well as how it differs to our lesser extent of knowledge today. But on a Halo canon site, conjecture shouldn't be put in the article, no matter how well-researched it may be, and is better off left out altogether. If people who have read the book know what was written, good for them. If they don't, it's not a good idea to leave potentially misleading "facts" in an article they rely on to be solid, dependable evidence from the Halo universe. <span style="font-family:calibri; text-shadow: black 0 4px 4px;">''[[User:Sona 'Demal|<abbr id="anId" class="jargon" style="color:offwhite;" title="My userpage"><font color=#005B99>I</font> <font color=#035E9D>a</font><font color=#0662A1>m</font> <font color=#0A66A5>i</font><font color=#0D69A8>n</font></abbr>]] [[User talk:Sona 'Demal|<abbr id="anId" class="jargon" style="color:offwhite;" title="My talk page"><font color=#116DAC>t</font><font color=#1470B0>h</font><font color=#117DCA>i</font><font color=#1B77B8>s</font> <font color=#1E7BBC>w</font><font color=#217EBF>o</font><font color=#2582C3>r</font><font color=#2886C7>l</font><font color=#2C89CB>d</font><font color=#2C89CB>,</font></abbr>]] [[Special:Contributions/Sona 'Demal|<abbr id="anId" class="jargon" style="color:offwhite;" title="My contributions"><font color=#3290D3>b</font><font color=#3694D7>u</font><font color=#3997DB>t</font> <font color=#3D9BDF>n</font><font color=#409FE3>o</font><font color=#43A2E6>t</font></abbr>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Sona 'Demal|<abbr id="anId" class="jargon" style="color:offwhite;" title="Email me"><font color=#47A6EA>o</font><font color=#4AA9EE>f</font> <font color=#4DADF2>i</font><font color=#54B4FA>t</font><font color=#57B7FD>.</font></abbr>]]''</span> | |||
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== Introduction complaint == | |||
I don't really like the introduction section of the article. Too...realistic. '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">('''or so it says in the sacred caves''')</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 20:10, 15 May 2012 (EDT)! | |||
:I don't think "realism" is the issue, rather, the current introduction seems more like it belongs in the "History" section. The actual introductory paragraph should instead be a compact summary of the article subject, as it is in [[John-117]], [[Thel 'Vadam]], [[Reach]], and so on. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:54, 16 May 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Bone augmentation == | |||
I've spent a lot of time analyzing the bone graft picture from Doctor Halsey's journal, as well as the in-universe comment to "not exceed 3% total bone mass," and I think I've nailed down the procedure for the Spartan II's from these details. By some simple mathematics: if we assume bone density to be relatively uniform throughout the bone, then removing 3% of a bone's mass would remove 3% of its volume as well. I also determined from medical text that simply covering existing bone would be highly unlikely to interfere with spongy bone functionality, but removing and replacing a certain amount of the outside material would. So, not only does the procedure aim to increase the breaking point of the bone, but to also avoid complications that might arise from an increase in bone volume in the joints by ''replacing'' bone volume instead of ''increasing'' bone volume; thus they had to compromise on the depth of the replacement to avoid interference with the spongy tissue. --[[User:Bruce2401|Bruce2401]] ([[User talk:Bruce2401|talk]]) 17:00, 28 January 2016 (EST) | |||