Talk:Orbital Drop Shock Troopers: Difference between revisions

== An actual U.S. Army Infantrymans take on ODST's. ==

So... my point is... that Bungie flubed, and was poorly misguided in the creation of the ODTS's. Making the ODST part of the UNSC Army would have broadened the horizons, and helped military veterans like myself connect more, with the stigma between SPARTAN, and ODST. Marines in reality usually go into SEAL (being that SPARTANS are UNSC Navy) teams carrying with them a love for the Corps. That is also fact. It would also have made the Halo universe a little more interesting, bringing with it a whole new slew of UNSC Army characters, vehicles, and story lines... maybe we can just chalk this one up to laziness on the part of the authors, and Bungie.  

Sincerely  

Ok that is a good point Fipas... but lets take a look at who trains most of the worlds military, or... on who the country's of the world model their military on. Answer... the United States of America. That's fact. Ok... and who does the U.S. Military send to help train these foreign military's SPEC OPS, and Infantry. Answer... the U.S. Army's Green Berets and Army Rangers... and in the case of the Navy's... well... the Navy... and that's a fact. Excluding USSR influenced country's during the cold war. I do understand your point on... "well its a world military"... maybe it would be interesting to go deeper into how the ODST formed in the earth history of the Halo universe. I think I will try that myself, and possibly reverse my position on this entire issue. What do think?  

Also Fipas... my position is that the ODST's are more in tradition with "an" Army's Airborne functions not necessarily "thee" United States Army's. I simply used the U.S. Army as an example. I could have also used the German Army as an example, but that would have required some extra research, and I deemed my first hand experience of seven years with the U.S. Army as adequate.  

From my own experience with the U.S. Military and interactions with NATO and Allied forces, I have to agree with Ross-073. ODSTs do resemble the more conventional forces of the Rangers. Spartans II's are definitely SOC troops, with a training and operational lineage that can be traced to SEALs or "Green Berets" or SAS. ODST's seem to fall more into a cross between Rangers and more conventional Airborne forces. Ross-073 is right, there really isn't a current Marine analog to ODST's and they do seem to be more Army than any other branch of service.   However I would like to point out that Rangers (not Ranger qualified, but the Ranger Regiment) are part of USASOC and are considered a Special Operations Unit. While other branches SOF (like Marine Recon and Air Force Paras) are tasked with specific missions but are trained and equipped to engage in direct combat operationson a limited basis, The Rangers primary mission is assault, with the ability to concurrently preform other missions similar to what Recon, Pathfinders and Paras would do primarily. Also, SIII's while obviously attached to the SOC by their very nature have more in common with the Rangers of WWII than with Special Forces, the idea of sending in a battalion sized unit to engage a numerically superior enemy force and complete an objective regardless of cost. I do agree that Bungie has underdeveloped the ARMY of the UNSC, but that is an oversight that seems to be prevalent in today's Media. The Marines are far more "badass" in their own histories and they have a more savage public image. The Army by it's very size is all clumped together as a single entity, because unraveling its complexities is too difficult for laymen to attempt. They would rather clump us all together as Tankers and Grunts then attempt to create an accurate picture of what we do. In the end, The Army gets dumped for the Marines 'cause it sounds cooler. But those of us who served all know that the Rangers do more, with less, quicker and more efficiently than any conventional Army or Marine unit. I guess we'll just have to be happy with the truth. --<b>[[User:Spamhammer|<span style="color:Blue; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Spamhammer</span>]] [[User talk:Spamhammer|<span style="color:Red; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">"I reject your reality and substitute my own."</span>]]</b> 14:40, December 20, 2009 (UTC)