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==Cole Protocol == | ==Cole Protocol == | ||
{{Quote|The design was later modified for the MJOLNIR Mark IV seen in Halo: The Cole Protocol.|Description of reimagined Mark V image}} | {{Quote|The design was later modified for the MJOLNIR Mark IV seen in Halo: The Cole Protocol.|Description of reimagined Mark V image}} | ||
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--[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 00:58, February 16, 2010 (UTC) | --[[User talk:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] 00:58, February 16, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Article | {{Article quote|Given Bungie's apparent redesign of the Mark V, doesn't that render not only the Mark V depiction in Halo 1, but the helmet permutation from Halo 3, as irrelevant, outdated, and no longer canon?}} | ||
:It is still considered canon and would be treated as the Halo 3 era of the Mark V helmet and this also applies to Halo:CE's version. I really hate to say this, but '''never ever''' make such a quick judgment as to saying ''"newer canon overides old canon"''. Canon doesn't always work in such way (Sometimes, old canon overides newer canon because of consistency in series but is somewhat uncommon due to the lack of reasoning and evidences. It's like law; sometimes, old law is effective over new law.) and it is extremely flexible provided you are able to reason reasonably. | :It is still considered canon and would be treated as the Halo 3 era of the Mark V helmet and this also applies to Halo:CE's version. I really hate to say this, but '''never ever''' make such a quick judgment as to saying ''"newer canon overides old canon"''. Canon doesn't always work in such way (Sometimes, old canon overides newer canon because of consistency in series but is somewhat uncommon due to the lack of reasoning and evidences. It's like law; sometimes, old law is effective over new law.) and it is extremely flexible provided you are able to reason reasonably. | ||
:Anyway, the current problem in Halo: Reach is to determine which armour worn by the members of Noble Team is the original MJOLNIR Mark V. As of now, it appears all of the armours worn by them have been heavily modified to their preferences and are not consistent in design. I would assume Halo: Reach will introduce a similar "Collect 'Em All" feature from Halo 2/3 for multiplayer and if it does, players will probably start with the original Mark V without any attachment as they did in Halo 2/3. Thus, I would suggest hold off with the images until the actual game is released.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 01:14, February 16, 2010 (UTC) | :Anyway, the current problem in Halo: Reach is to determine which armour worn by the members of Noble Team is the original MJOLNIR Mark V. As of now, it appears all of the armours worn by them have been heavily modified to their preferences and are not consistent in design. I would assume Halo: Reach will introduce a similar "Collect 'Em All" feature from Halo 2/3 for multiplayer and if it does, players will probably start with the original Mark V without any attachment as they did in Halo 2/3. Thus, I would suggest hold off with the images until the actual game is released.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 01:14, February 16, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:I think that if at all possible once the game is out, that a Green/Halo 1 Style Master Chief done in Halo:Reach should be used as the pic. Ie. A halo Reach Spartan wearing all Mark V compnents (not variant compnents) just my thought. I'm really glad that they brought back this helmet in Halo:Reach, I think it looks really badass. Cheers, [[User talk:Rimnek 015|Rimnek 015]] 21:39, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | :I think that if at all possible once the game is out, that a Green/Halo 1 Style Master Chief done in Halo:Reach should be used as the pic. Ie. A halo Reach Spartan wearing all Mark V compnents (not variant compnents) just my thought. I'm really glad that they brought back this helmet in Halo:Reach, I think it looks really badass. Cheers, [[User talk:Rimnek 015|Rimnek 015]] 21:39, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Strong {{support}} here. This is the most accurate version of the Mark V armour that we have and are going to have, in terms of canonicity and in pure aesthetics. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | ::Strong {{support}} here. This is the most accurate version of the Mark V armour that we have and are going to have, in terms of canonicity and in pure aesthetics. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 08:59, September 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==What technological Tier does the MK V belong to?== | ==What technological Tier does the MK V belong to?== | ||
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[[User talk:REach Out|REach Out]] 10:16, September 2, 2010 (UTC) | [[User talk:REach Out|REach Out]] 10:16, September 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:I'd say that the Mark V is Tier 2, but barely. The tiers are meant to represent the society as a whole - having a few very specialised, rare and expensive pieces of technology more advanced than that which is used overall does not make the UNSC a Tier 2 civilisation yet. We know 343 GS classed it as a Class Two combat skin, so it is on par with at least ''some'' Forerunner technology, no matter how basic. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :I'd say that the Mark V is Tier 2, but barely. The tiers are meant to represent the society as a whole - having a few very specialised, rare and expensive pieces of technology more advanced than that which is used overall does not make the UNSC a Tier 2 civilisation yet. We know 343 GS classed it as a Class Two combat skin, so it is on par with at least ''some'' Forerunner technology, no matter how basic. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 09:03, September 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::Ah, totally forgot to add this in; as I play around with the Vanity program, I discover that the default knee-pad remains classified/has no title. This knee-pad could be, as Exalted Obliteration pointed out, as being part of the Mark V[B]. :) - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:30, 16 November 2010 (EST) | ::Ah, totally forgot to add this in; as I play around with the Vanity program, I discover that the default knee-pad remains classified/has no title. This knee-pad could be, as Exalted Obliteration pointed out, as being part of the Mark V[B]. :) - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 21:30, 16 November 2010 (EST) | ||
::Slightly off topic for a moment, but does anyone know how many megabytes/gigabytes Vanity is? My broadband plan has a limit, and I just went down to dialup again anyway, so I don't want to start something I can't finish. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | ::Slightly off topic for a moment, but does anyone know how many megabytes/gigabytes Vanity is? My broadband plan has a limit, and I just went down to dialup again anyway, so I don't want to start something I can't finish. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 22:22, 16 November 2010 (EST) | ||
:::~130 MB. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:26, 16 November 2010 (EST) | :::~130 MB. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 22:26, 16 November 2010 (EST) | ||
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As a further note, regarding the knee guards I found this quote by [[User:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] (as usual!) which I think seems to explain the issue pretty well. | As a further note, regarding the knee guards I found this quote by [[User:Exalted Obliteration|Exalted Obliteration]] (as usual!) which I think seems to explain the issue pretty well. | ||
{{Quote|Perhaps the user who posted the image thought that the default knee guards don't resemble the Halo 1 character model enough, and felt that using the Grenadier knee guards would look better. I also believe that leaving the default knee guards... would make the model complete... A person must keep in mind that when it comes to visually updating/revising the appearance of something in the Halo universe, it is always subject to a significant amount of creator-employed alteration and even redoing, and that version supersedes the original, aesthetically and graphically primitive iteration...|-}} | {{Quote|Perhaps the user who posted the image thought that the default knee guards don't resemble the Halo 1 character model enough, and felt that using the Grenadier knee guards would look better. I also believe that leaving the default knee guards... would make the model complete... A person must keep in mind that when it comes to visually updating/revising the appearance of something in the Halo universe, it is always subject to a significant amount of creator-employed alteration and even redoing, and that version supersedes the original, aesthetically and graphically primitive iteration...|-}} | ||
{{Quote|Just because it looks superficially similar does not make it the same. There is no evidence whatsoever from the book FoR stating that the SPARTAN-IIs' employed variant components to their newly-issued Mark V armor.|-}} | {{Quote|Just because it looks superficially similar does not make it the same. There is no evidence whatsoever from the book FoR stating that the SPARTAN-IIs' employed variant components to their newly-issued Mark V armor.|-}} | ||
{{Quote|The Mark V body in Halo: Reach is simply the armor being visually updated and revised/finalized for the Halo story, which therefore renders the specific appearance and form of the Halo 1 Mark V depiction as outdated and irrelevant. Many features were abandoned from that, including the seemingly fully-armored boots, the flat stomach plate, the ammo belt, and even the structure and shape of the backpack itself.|-}} | {{Quote|The Mark V body in Halo: Reach is simply the armor being visually updated and revised/finalized for the Halo story, which therefore renders the specific appearance and form of the Halo 1 Mark V depiction as outdated and irrelevant. Many features were abandoned from that, including the seemingly fully-armored boots, the flat stomach plate, the ammo belt, and even the structure and shape of the backpack itself.|-}} | ||
{{Quote|On a side note, the graphical and aesthetic updating and revisions done by Bungie have been completely subject to the unpredictable whims of their artists and designers, regardless of how different the retconned versions are from their predecessors.|Exalted Obliteration 01:36, October 14, 2010 (UTC)}} | {{Quote|On a side note, the graphical and aesthetic updating and revisions done by Bungie have been completely subject to the unpredictable whims of their artists and designers, regardless of how different the retconned versions are from their predecessors.|Exalted Obliteration 01:36, October 14, 2010 (UTC)}} | ||
The quote had to be edited a little to just keep what was relevant(original can be viewed back at the link), but I think it explains the issue just the same: the default knee guards are indeed the canon MJOLNIR default, and merely represent a visual update in the depiction of the Mark V. Therefore, I think it should be pretty clear what our course of action should be. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 01:39, 2 December 2010 (EST) | The quote had to be edited a little to just keep what was relevant(original can be viewed back at the link), but I think it explains the issue just the same: the default knee guards are indeed the canon MJOLNIR default, and merely represent a visual update in the depiction of the Mark V. Therefore, I think it should be pretty clear what our course of action should be. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 01:39, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:How do we even know that the armor that Six wears is Mark V with V[B] helmet or entirely V[B]. If it is entirely V[B] then that pic would be inaccurate or would need a little note like: "Mark V helmet and shoulders with V[B] body recreated in Reach"-- | :How do we even know that the armor that Six wears is Mark V with V[B] helmet or entirely V[B]. If it is entirely V[B] then that pic would be inaccurate or would need a little note like: "Mark V helmet and shoulders with V[B] body recreated in Reach"--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 01:53, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ||
::In Halsey's journal (August 12, 2552), there's a picture of John-117 wearing an armor visually identical to the one worn by Six and the rest of Noble Team. I doubt he'd be wearing Mk V[B]; it was issued only to SPECWAR Group 3. Even if the armor set worn by Six is Mark V [B], I think it's safe to say it's basically identical to the default Mark V. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:19, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ::In Halsey's journal (August 12, 2552), there's a picture of John-117 wearing an armor visually identical to the one worn by Six and the rest of Noble Team. I doubt he'd be wearing Mk V[B]; it was issued only to SPECWAR Group 3. Even if the armor set worn by Six is Mark V [B], I think it's safe to say it's basically identical to the default Mark V. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:19, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ||
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Anyway, the Mark V's distinct feature has always been its pointed chest. I doubt that there was an further need then to see it different, particularly as with Jugus's example when it matches description. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 10:14, 2 December 2010 (EST) | Anyway, the Mark V's distinct feature has always been its pointed chest. I doubt that there was an further need then to see it different, particularly as with Jugus's example when it matches description. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 10:14, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:So V[B] is just a helmet variant?-- | :So V[B] is just a helmet variant?--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 11:19, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ||
Pretty much. The rest of the armor may be manufactured with it, but structurally they are the same. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 13:40, 2 December 2010 (EST) | Pretty much. The rest of the armor may be manufactured with it, but structurally they are the same. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 13:40, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:Understood... just dont use the grenadier knees, but default instead-- | :Understood... just dont use the grenadier knees, but default instead--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 13:43, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:Can we get a version of that pic without those diagram lines? like a cutout of the armor only? you know what ill see what i can do-- | :Can we get a version of that pic without those diagram lines? like a cutout of the armor only? you know what ill see what i can do--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 14:17, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ||
:wow that was fast-- | :wow that was fast--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 14:50, 2 December 2010 (EST) | ||
== Pic == | == Pic == | ||
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--[[Special:Contributions/71.131.177.96|71.131.177.96]] 10:41, 21 June 2011 (EDT) | --[[Special:Contributions/71.131.177.96|71.131.177.96]] 10:41, 21 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
:I also have to ask, even if the AI could nullify the negative effects, why would unaugmented humans be given it? MJOLNIR is unimaginably expensive, a single suit costing perhaps the equivalent of a destroyer. If you're going to take the trouble to develop and construct a suit, why would you field it with personnel who can't even use it to its real potential? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :I also have to ask, even if the AI could nullify the negative effects, why would unaugmented humans be given it? MJOLNIR is unimaginably expensive, a single suit costing perhaps the equivalent of a destroyer. If you're going to take the trouble to develop and construct a suit, why would you field it with personnel who can't even use it to its real potential? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 19:01, 21 June 2011 (EDT) | ||
== Image == | == Image == | ||
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:Yes; the image should definitely be replaced. The Mark V in ''Reach'' is a first-generation model, which could not support an AI and, frankly, looked noticeably different from the later model; this model was issued in November 2551. The Mark V seen in ''Anniversary'' represents the second-generation version, which introduced AI housing; this is the updated version that the Spartans received during the Fall of Reach. Therefore, the main image should show the suit seen in ''Anniversary'': it was the apex of the Mark V line - and more recently issued - while the one seen in ''Reach'' is essentially a very advanced prototype. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 09:54, 18 October 2011 (EDT) | :Yes; the image should definitely be replaced. The Mark V in ''Reach'' is a first-generation model, which could not support an AI and, frankly, looked noticeably different from the later model; this model was issued in November 2551. The Mark V seen in ''Anniversary'' represents the second-generation version, which introduced AI housing; this is the updated version that the Spartans received during the Fall of Reach. Therefore, the main image should show the suit seen in ''Anniversary'': it was the apex of the Mark V line - and more recently issued - while the one seen in ''Reach'' is essentially a very advanced prototype. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 09:54, 18 October 2011 (EDT) | ||
::While I agree it should be replaced (it's newer after all), I'm not so sure as to whether the appearance in Anniversary is actually meant to be canonically different from the one in Reach. Let's not forget that many things have been changed over the years for aesthetic purposes, and in Anniversary the additional challenge is that hitboxes must be the same as in the original game. Reach-era armor had a different hitbox; this is true for Elites and Grunts as well. It makes sense to alter what we have in Reach for balancing purposes. It's been established that John-117's armor is compatible with AI, though it's never stated whether it's anything more than a firmware update. Considering that the Anniversary armor is so drastically different, it probably isn't compatible with the myriad of accessories in the Armory, yet it would be a massive waste of resources to have such a huge variety of armor that can't function with even a slightly newer iteration. Remember that we aren't moving from the Mark V to the Mark VI here, and that most SPARTAN-IIIs wear SPI armor. MJOLNIR is reserved for Noble Team, SPARTAN-IIs, and possibly a select few other SPARTAN-IIIs.[[User talk:SPARTAN-501|SPARTAN-501]] 09:09, 26 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::While I agree it should be replaced (it's newer after all), I'm not so sure as to whether the appearance in Anniversary is actually meant to be canonically different from the one in Reach. Let's not forget that many things have been changed over the years for aesthetic purposes, and in Anniversary the additional challenge is that hitboxes must be the same as in the original game. Reach-era armor had a different hitbox; this is true for Elites and Grunts as well. It makes sense to alter what we have in Reach for balancing purposes. It's been established that John-117's armor is compatible with AI, though it's never stated whether it's anything more than a firmware update. Considering that the Anniversary armor is so drastically different, it probably isn't compatible with the myriad of accessories in the Armory, yet it would be a massive waste of resources to have such a huge variety of armor that can't function with even a slightly newer iteration. Remember that we aren't moving from the Mark V to the Mark VI here, and that most SPARTAN-IIIs wear SPI armor. MJOLNIR is reserved for Noble Team, SPARTAN-IIs, and possibly a select few other SPARTAN-IIIs. [[User talk:SPARTAN-501|SPARTAN-501]] 09:09, 26 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::If you watch the Campaign BTS video, they say (and show) that they were going to use the Reach version but changed it because it didn't look right. Whether there is a canon reason for the different appearances is up for debate and really, we can only speculate for now. If there is a reason then perhaps the armor can be customized far more than we have seen thus far. If the different iterations of the Mark IV are anything to go by then different permutations may cause drastic changes to almost every piece of the armor's top layer.--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 09:21, 26 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
:::I'll also add the note from the article as it seems relevant to the article: | |||
:::''Halo: The Fall of Reach and Halo Waypoint's MJOLNIR Project 2 video state that the Mark V was issued on August 29, 2552. However, a number of later sources, including the aforementioned Weekly Update, Dr. Halsey's personal journal, the 2011 edition of the Halo Encyclopedia, and Halo: The Essential Visual Guide retcon this, clearly stating that the Mark V was issued on November 24, 2551. The two latter sources reveal that the suit issued in November 2551 was a prototype of the one issued in August 2552, explaining its noticeably different appearance in Halo: Reach. While John-117 indeed tested the performance of the second-generation Mark V system, ONI was actually evaluating the Spartan-AI pairing made possible by the second-generation Mark V suit.'' | |||
:::That seems to clear some things up a little. Perhaps we could show both iterations of the armor side by side?--[[User talk:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] 09:26, 26 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
== BTS Knee Guards == | |||
I took the liberty of pointing out that in the BTS video showing the Master Chief in Reach armor is clearly seen wearing Grenadier Knee pads and what looks like FJ/Para shoulders. In the final game it looks like the Grenadier Knee Guards stayed and the shoulders were built from scratch just slightly resembling ODST shoulders. | |||
Master Chief even in the BTS video in Reach is wearing MK. 5 shoulders, not FJ/Para, a cross between Mk 5 and FJ/para are the Mk 6 shoulder in Halo 2 and 3. Also in CE the shoulders resemble ODST because it is the full armor of the upper arm(e.g. The Mk 5 permutation and the armored suit beneath), making it look similar to ODST because it is two layers that are tapered like ODST permutations. | |||
I was refering to just after the cut-scene with Keyes that showes the MC sporting FJ/Para Knees and Mark V Shoulders they show his model on the beach of the Silent Cartagrapher still in Reach armor but wearing FJ/Para shoulders and Grenadier Knee Guards. | |||
== Appearance disparities section hidden == | |||
Just to make note that the "Appearance disparities" section has been hidden. It is still in the article and has not been deleted/removed. You can view the section by clicking [edit]. This is essentially because the section covers unnecessary unresolved speculations with almost no ends and most of the issues the speculations intend to discuss is outdated. On that note, concept arts are for reference and shouldn't be taken as absolute canon.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 18:28, 26 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Could we take the factual parts and turn it into a "Development notes" section? Some of the material has some genuine facts people might be interested in, like how ''Anniversary'' formerly used a ''Reach'' Mark V model for the Chief. As for the rest, the "Knee guards" section should be drastically shortened and the "Helmet" one is mostly pointless. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:06, 27 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
::Readding.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 23:43, 1 May 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Bungie.net/Waypoint profile pic == | |||
So we have the profile pic of a player decked out in traditional Mark V from the Waypoint site. I recall that there may have been one from Bungie.net that used to be here. I know the Waypoint one is newer, but the quality and closeness to the in-game rendering is not as good as the Bungie.net pics. Did we replace it with the Waypoint one? If so why?--[[User:Ender the Xenocide|<font color="Green">Ender the Xenocide]]</font> 21:41, 22 October 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Built-in thruster pack? == | |||
Since the Mark IV and VI have thruster pack built into the back of the armor, would it be safe to assume that the Mark V is also equipped with one? — [[User:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Ha</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">came</span>]] 02:01, 4 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I was actually under the impression that it was only this [[File:Spartan-II defense - 2.png|30px]] variant of MJOLNIR that had the built in thruster pack. However, I could be wrong.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 03:21, 4 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
::I think Sith Venator is more or less correct, unless it has been seen we shouldn't deduce that. And as he said, only a handful of armors had the built-in thruster pack. Namely John's upgraded Mark VI armor which itself was based on the Mark IV seen in the Prologue. Apparently, regular armors don't have this thruster pack. If the regular Mark VI armor had that, John would have used it in either Halo 2 or Halo 3; same thing for Maria in Armor Testing, she used some parafoil. And for Mark IV and Mark V armors, Spartans usually tend to use external thruster packs (Battle of Chi Ceti, Fall of Reach) so I don't think the regular Mark V has a built-in thruster pack, in fact most of the armors don't have that. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 09:26, 4 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::As Red Team had to rely on surviving a free-fall jump by pumping themselves full of hydrostatic gel, and are shown in the ''Fall of Reach'' comic to be wearing a variety of armors, it's safe to say that none of the Mark V variants had thrusters. They don't appear to have become standard until the GEN 2 armor. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 16:49, 6 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
This begs the question, how is it possible for nanomachines (the explanation 343 Industries relied on when explaining the design changes on the armor) to create a built-in thruster into a Mark VI, knowing that such specific armor feature that was previously present in a variant of the Mark IV needs specific materials. If nanomachines can provide armor features using basic materials, then what's the point of having different defense contractors making armor variants? Might as well let the MJOLNIR have functionality of a Crynet Nanosuit. Seems like 343 Industries, or Frankie, is stretching the concept of nanomachines a bit too far. — [[User:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Ha</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">came</span>]] 03:32, 5 August 2013 (EDT) | |||
:You could argue it took 4 years to do it with nanobots, while a company might be able to do it much faster. I'm not sure, just gotta' roll with the punches.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 04:58, 5 August 2013 (EDT) | |||