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==Link?== | ==Link?== | ||
Why the Amazon link ???--[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 20:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC) | Why the Amazon link ???--[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 20:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC) | ||
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:We know this. What's your point? --[[User:Maslab|Do not insult me.]] 05:25, March 24, 2010 (UTC) | :We know this. What's your point? --[[User:Maslab|Do not insult me.]] 05:25, March 24, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Ok, I'm reviving this three years in the future. We now know that his last name is Trevelyan. Now that we know it, should we switch it out whenever possible? Or has he used the pseudonym long enough that we should keep it? That doesn't really make sense but I Just didn't want to do something that would have to be reversed. '''This is''' [[User:CraZboy557|<span style="color:orange; font-family: Gill Sans Ultra Bold; font-size: 110%;">'''craZboy557'''</span>]], '''signing off.''' 06:41, 28 January 2013 (EST) | |||
:::Ambrose is his new identity. If I were to change to my name, my passport would read that new name instead of my old name. This is the same case I suppose. —<span style="font-family: Eurostile;">'''[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:#000;">SPARTAN</span>]][[User talk:Spartan331|<span style="color:#888;">331</span>]]'''</span> 08:39, 28 January 2013 (EST) | |||
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alright,whoever keeps reversing my edits to the main picture, stop. it is referenced in GoO that he wore gray SPI armor, so the spartan in the picture is obviously not kurt, even if the picture i used was fan art, it seems pretty accurate to me and i think others would agree. so stopp adding the green spi pic because it is not kurt | alright,whoever keeps reversing my edits to the main picture, stop. it is referenced in GoO that he wore gray SPI armor, so the spartan in the picture is obviously not kurt, even if the picture i used was fan art, it seems pretty accurate to me and i think others would agree. so stopp adding the green spi pic because it is not kurt-ghost mactavish | ||
Yes, even though it is a picture of Kurt, it is NOT canon, as it is fan art (unless it has been approved by the Halo fan art committee). Fan art isn't used for the main picture and besides, the picture is in the article itself... Read here: http://halopedian.com/Halopedia:Canon_policy [[User talk:Bottletopman|Bottletopman]] 08:24, May 21, 2010 (UTC) | |||
it has been approved by the comittee, and where is the evidence for the pic thats being currently used, where? because it mentions in the book very clearly that his armor is gray, not green. so the pic cannot be used as it is not kurt, and since that the fanart pic has been approved by the commitee, we should use it as it is the only pic that this wiki has of kurt. and please dont block me, i have been blocked twice on this wiki and that was because i was removing speculation. this wiki needs to stick to canon information more because there is too much speculation here[[User talk:Ghost mactavish|Ghost mactavish]] 09:51, May 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:As per Ghost mactavish, the image is one of the few fan-arts Halopedia allows to in articles. Please note that the FanArt Committee is no longer active, so any future fan art submission is no longer available.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 15:34, May 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Rank == | |||
Carter A-259 is in fact a Commander. Which means that Kurt and the other guy (I don't know his name) are the 2nd highest ranking SPARTANs.--"History is [[User:Bobzombie|written]] by the victor.History is filled with liars. 03:37, May 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Not really related but your sig is horrendous.- [[User:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">Sketch</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:-Ascension-|<span style="font-family:Century Gothic; color:#E32636;">ist</span>]]</sup> 04:33, May 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Sorry to respond to an old post, but Carter A-259 is in fact a Spartan-III. I'm not sure what the article said when this was posted, but just to clarify it now says highest ranking Spartan-IIs. So....yeah--[[User talk:Caboose's Brother|Caboose's Brother]] 18:06, 15 February 2011 (EST) | |||
== Kurt in Halo Reach and Birth of a spartan? == | |||
Will Kurt be in halo reach? | |||
since he trained all SPARTAN-IIIs then maybe some of the spartans could get flashbacks to theyr training.... | |||
(or something like that) | |||
And is Kurt in the live action video birth of a spartan?? | |||
some says chief mendez is the old man there but is this kurt? | |||
Paouse at | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg_A5KpZzgg | |||
0:42 | |||
It could be Kurt since the other spartans looks younger | |||
Kurt is dead. It says on the armor that the young man staring at the armor is Carter. Mendez is trapped on the Shield world. Did you read the article?--[[User talk:Caboose's Brother|Caboose's Brother]] 18:02, 15 February 2011 (EST) | |||
== Kurt M. Trevelyan == | |||
I was thinking if we should renamed the article as such considering its his full name and its been proven in one of the medical folders found in [[Dr. Halsey's personal journal]]. What are your thoughts on this?--[[User talk:Ashing shot|ASEC]] 21:54, September 24, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I see your point, but I'm afraid not. After his abduction, he forever ceased to be Kurt M. Trevelyan. Consider the Prohet of Mercy. His birth name was Hod Rumnt, but upon becoming a hierarch he ''became'' the Prophet of Mercy. Thus, we call him by his title rather than by his actual name. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." -Thomas Jefferson]] 03:33, September 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Change Name to "Kurt M. Trevelyan" or "Kurt Trevelyan", Whatever Suits== | |||
I'm aware that it's posted above, but I thought I'd refresh things, make it more official. It was only today that I realized that Kurt's full name was indeed mentioned on the journal, and had I noticed earlier, I would have proposed this immediately; which technically I'm doing now, but whatever. To the point, we know Kurt's full name, one of the only Spartan-IIs to have this distinction, and I say we make use of it. There exists the argument above that Kurt Trevelyan "became" Kurt-051 in the same manner that Hod Rumnt became the Prophet of Mercy, however this is not true. The Spartans' surnames were always there, and even after being assigned their serial numbers, their surnames were still kept - heavily classified, but they still had those names, they were just covered up to make sure that the true nature of the conscription was not discovered. In short; we know his full name, why shouldn't we rename the article appropriately? - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 07:08, 27 October 2010 (EDT) | |||
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*{{Support}} - As per above proposal. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 07:08, 27 October 2010 (EDT) | |||
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*{{Oppose}} - Fair point, but where was it said that the Spartans' surnames were really kept? I thought something like that would be effectively wiped clean when they were conscripted. The role of the person with that name would be assumed by their flash-clone, and when it died, that person, Kurt M. Trevelyan in this case, would also be officially dead while Kurt-051 would live on. Even if his original name did exist buried in a classified archive somewhere, his name was, by all intents and purposes, Kurt-051 or Kurt Ambrose for the most of his life. Even if it did exist, his "true" name would only be a technicality at best after he became a Spartan. It's not exactly a clear-cut matter, but in a case like this, I'd just use the name he's the most known for. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 07:31, 27 October 2010 (EDT) | |||
*{{Oppose}} - As per Jugus, whom has made a fair point. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 10:55, 27 October 2010 (EDT) | |||
== Fan Art pic == | |||
Should we keep that fan art pic of injured kurt with the zealot? I know it was "Halo FanArt Committee Approved" but i still feel it is somewhat unprofessional for a wiki to use it. It also may not accurately describe the scene 100%. The fanart on the [[Linda-058]] page was also "Halo FanArt Committee Approved" and stayed there for awhile, but I noticed that it was eventually taken down. Should the same be for this page? {{unsigned|Ender the Xenocide}} | |||
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* {{Oppose}} - The image is relatively accurate and awesome, but it is still fanon. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 17:41, 16 November 2010 (EST) | |||
== Halsey's Journal mention == | |||
In the journal on the Dec 10, 2518 entry it mentions that Mendez personally thought that Kurt would be the best leader. Should I add this to the trivia?--[[User talk:Dragrath1|Dragrath1]] 18:25, 30 December 2010 (EST) | |||
==Image== | |||
As far as I know, there hasn't been any sort of confirmation that the Spartan in the header image is Kurt. Sure, it might be him, but it might as well be any of the Spartan-IIIs who fought alongside the S-IIs just like Kurt did. However long it's been there, we shouldn't use it in this article unless it's been confirmed to be him. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:33, 9 May 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Article title== | |||
Since Kurt's Spartan identity was declared MIA after the Delphi incident and an all-new identity was forged for him, shouldn't this article rather be titled "Kurt Ambrose"? Unlike the article suggests, he was never known as "Lieutenant Commander Kurt-051", he was Lt. Commander Kurt Ambrose; a completely new, separate identity he used for the rest of his life. Just like Kurt M. Trevelyan eventually died with the flash-clone, Kurt-051 did, in effect, go missing in 2531. | |||
Similar to the point I made a couple of posts above when it was proposed we should use Kurt's original surname, we generally tend to use the most recent (in an in-universe sense) title for the subject; only in this case it isn't "Kurt-051". Case in point, there's also [[Serin Osman]] who assumed a normal identity like Kurt did. It would make sense to title this article based on the same standard. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:33, 9 May 2012 (EDT) | |||
:I was ''just about'' to add the rename template when I saw you'd beaten me to the punch. Oh well. Anyway, I certainly agree that the page should be renamed. Like you've said, Kurt used the "Ambrose" identity for the rest of his life, just like Serin-019 became "Serin Osman". Coincidentally, the Trevelyan article now uses the "most recent in-universe name" format as well. If for no other reason, consistency among naming schemes is always good. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 11:22, 17 October 2012 (EDT) | |||
For those reasons, then, I'll support this. However, given as we have Serin Osman be listed on the SPARTAN-II template as "Serin-019", I recommend then that his name not be changed on it as well. Just the link. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 15:12, 17 October 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Of course; this only means changing his name where it's appropriate. The template can obviously stay the way it is for the sake of consistency. Likewise, since he wasn't Kurt Ambrose until after his arranged disappearance, he should be referred to as Kurt-051 or SPARTAN-051 in context of events before that point. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 15:20, 17 October 2012 (EDT) | |||
Fine by me if we do this. The current title has never made sense to me.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 17:47, 17 October 2012 (EDT) | |||