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Who are the other two leaders? One of them is [[Colonel Watts]] right? | Who are the other two leaders? One of them is [[Colonel Watts]] right? | ||
:It isn't stated, so it's up to speculation at this point. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 18:43, 25 December 2006 (UTC) | :It isn't stated, so it's up to speculation at this point. --[[User:Dragonclaws|Dragonclaws]] 18:43, 25 December 2006 (UTC) | ||
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:I think there's not enough info on them to make a group about them. Also, the "of Halopedia" part is getting kind of old. If one is created, I suggest using "United Halo Front" or similar. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 21:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC) | :I think there's not enough info on them to make a group about them. Also, the "of Halopedia" part is getting kind of old. If one is created, I suggest using "United Halo Front" or similar. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 21:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
::I at least think the United Rebel Front (URF) should added to the Known Groups section of the article. No need for it to be a separate article. Just the title and a little bit of information about the group. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 13:03, 3 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
:::The thing is, it was a mistake to ever think it was a real group so much as a description of various groups working together for the common goal. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#800080">Dragon<font color="#DE397E">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#6600D8">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 13:27, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
::::I was lead to believe it was a real group! I believed it was and is a real group! Where has the URF ever been mentioned anyway? Wasn't it mentioned in one of the Halo novels in the first Halo trilogy boxed set? Like ''The Fall of Reach'' maybe, or ''First Strike''? Or maybe it was mentioned briefly in ''Contact Harvest''? Where? [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 17:48, 3 October 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
:::::Just Ghosts of Onyx. See [[Talk:Insurrectionist#Possible_merge_to_Insurrectionist|this discussion]] for more information.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 19:44, 3 October 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Still around? == | == Still around? == | ||
Got a question, is the URF still around during Halo 3? --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | Got a question, is the URF still around during Halo 3? --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 19:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
:I'm pretty sure that the URF has been soundly defeated. In Halo: First Strike, there is a part that says "...symbols of a rebellion the UNSC no longer had to worry about". How come that isn't mentioned in any of the articles? [[User:Don113|Don113]] 01:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC) | :I'm pretty sure that the URF has been soundly defeated. In Halo: First Strike, there is a part that says "...symbols of a rebellion the UNSC no longer had to worry about". How come that isn't mentioned in any of the articles? [[User:Don113|Don113]] 01:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Nothing conclusive has been said of that faction's fate. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]] | ::Nothing conclusive has been said of that faction's fate. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]]File:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 05:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Halsey narrates it as they walk past rebel flags. However, this may just be a general reference to the Covenant threat. Note that this is before they meet up with the rebels in the asteroid field, so this could just be foreshadowing. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 00:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC) | :::Halsey narrates it as they walk past rebel flags. However, this may just be a general reference to the Covenant threat. Note that this is before they meet up with the rebels in the asteroid field, so this could just be foreshadowing. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 00:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
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===Support=== | ===Support=== | ||
{{Support}} - As per the near-unanimous consensus above. Vegerot goes RAWR! | *{{Support}} - As per the near-unanimous consensus above. Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 11:31, 18 September 2011 (EDT) | ||
*{{Support}} - --[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 12:16, 18 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
*{{Support}} - If the above discoveries are accurate. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 12:58, 18 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
*{{Support}} - Dragonclaws says yea. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#800080">Dragon<font color="#DE397E">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#6600D8">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 14:26, 18 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
*{{Support}} - Yesh. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 07:50, 24 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
===Oppose=== | ===Oppose=== | ||
==Bringing back the URF== | |||
The other day I watched ''The Story So Far'', a featurette exclusive to the Blu-ray version of ''Halo Legends'', for the third or fourth time; for those without the Blu-ray version, it's available on YouTube [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxrxDedS11g in] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOVNHjzFHgY&feature=relmfu three] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQoKC6F7tDI&feature=relmfu parts]. While discussing the Insurrection, Frankie says, ''"...well-organized groups such as the United Rebel Front threaten the stability of all the colonies."'' Upon hearing that, I remembered that the URF is mentioned in passing during the [[Halo: Reach radio conversations#Overlook|''Overlook'' radio conversation]]. What really got my attention is the [[:File:Ocean.jpg|Oceanic armor's background card]]: ''"Used extensively during the recovery of Terceira from the United Rebel Front."'' Four official references to the URF, (including these and the ''Encyclopedia''), as well as the fact that the organization's name is capitalized everywhere but ''Ghosts of Onyx'', indicate that we may have jumped the gun on merging the URF article with the Insurrectionist article. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 23:49, 2 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Or that those in canon department of 343i simply accepted these minor errors/discrepancies as canon, thus retconning everything prior. Consistency is not one of 343i's strong suit. Anyway, I guess we should bring it back since it is canon again and place a ref-note about this.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 23:56, 2 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::I can agree. That's probably the case.--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus,</span>]]'' ''[[Halopedia:Administrators|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Halopedia Administrator</span>]]'' <sup>'''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black">Talk</font>]]'''</sup> 23:58, 2 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::I'm still certain that the ''Ghosts of Onyx'' usage implied it wasn't meant to be understood as the name of an organization, but it's regardless found its way into official material because Halopedia (erroneously) used it as such. Oh well. Given the rather frequent mentions, there's no arguing against bringing it back, though we should keep the note to remind people where it came from. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:09, 3 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::I agree with Braidenvl. It does appear that the URF is the official name for a faction of insurrectionists. That said we must remember that in the same way all thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs, all URF are insurrectionists but not all innies are URF.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">''' Rusty '''</span><span style="font-size:13pt;color:red;">'''- '''</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:13pt;color:blue;">'''112 '''</span>]] 00:15, 3 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
I certainly concur with Subtank's Doylist interpretation of the facts. Clearly, someone at 343i assumed the information about the URF which the ''Encyclopedia'' plagiarized from us was canon and thus "ran with it", so to speak. However, it is clear that, misunderstanding or not, 343i now intends for the United Rebel Front to hold a proper place in canon. Like Jugus says, we should bring the article and related content back to the wiki and add a note about the real-world origins of the organization. | |||
On another note: Congratulations on your newly acquired admin rights, guys. You'll make this community proud. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 00:25, 3 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Can we assume that this "united rebel front" is a non-Insurrectionist term for a group of interconnected secessionists? A UNSC propaganda name, perhaps? I should re-read my copy of ''Ghosts of Onyx'' for the context, though. I remember during the last debate it was argued that it could not be a real name because a secessionist group wouldn't make themselves seem so militant (and, therefore, less appealing to the public).-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 02:12, 3 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
::That is a possibility. ''Ghosts of Onyx'' didn't treat it as a proper name, but one could assume that the UNSC may use the term "United Rebel Front" in reference to the widely organized portion of the Insurrectionists, similar to how one might capitalize "the Resistance". In that case restoring the whole URF article wouldn't be necessary; we could just mention the usage of the "United Rebel Front" moniker in the introductory section of this article. The question is one of interpretation, really. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 11:08, 24 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Well, it's not the first time insurrectionist have used a "unified" name, such as with the Secessionist Union or the Freedom and Liberation Party. Note also that many say "viva la Resistance" or "viva la Revolucion", thus equating themselves with a rebellious name. With names like those, the name "United Rebel Front" sounds like something entirely plausible for them to choose. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 11:59, 24 September 2012 (EDT) | |||
So, we reached a consensus on this a while back. Anyone know where the URF's information was previously at so we can restore it? [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 03:41, 2 November 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Found where it was. About to restore the article. Would it be appropriate to note how it was originally mentioned in canon and how it's being mentioned in more recent canon?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 12:07, 21 January 2013 (EST) | |||