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I think that the Juggernaut is an infected form of a prophit.--[[User:NIGHTMARE|NIGHTMARE]] | I think that the Juggernaut is an infected form of a prophit.--[[User:NIGHTMARE|NIGHTMARE]] | ||
:I don't see the similarity. -- | :I don't see the similarity. --'''[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup>''' 21:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
I agree with Dragonclaws The prophets are too small for them to become a juggernaut. Perhaps It's a mixture between combat forms? --[[User:Deathfrye]] | I agree with Dragonclaws The prophets are too small for them to become a juggernaut. Perhaps It's a mixture between combat forms? --[[User:Deathfrye]] | ||
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Could it be that is is a SPARTAN-II that was infected? | Could it be that is is a SPARTAN-II that was infected? | ||
:No. Spartans, enhanced though they may be, are still just human. That thing is pretty inhuman, and much bigger than the Chief. -- | :No. Spartans, enhanced though they may be, are still just human. That thing is pretty inhuman, and much bigger than the Chief. --'''[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup>''' 19:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
it CAN be a hunter, every worm whould have to be infected though, they have been shown to indect every specis but hunters and engeiners. think about it. the 'body' of the hunter has more worms, so bigger mass, the arms have less worms, so they whould be thinner. | it CAN be a hunter, every worm whould have to be infected though, they have been shown to indect every specis but hunters and engeiners. think about it. the 'body' of the hunter has more worms, so bigger mass, the arms have less worms, so they whould be thinner. | ||
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3. the form of the juggernaut doesn't need to be like the form of a hunter because hunters appear to be composed of multiple organisms that exists within the hunter armor. | 3. the form of the juggernaut doesn't need to be like the form of a hunter because hunters appear to be composed of multiple organisms that exists within the hunter armor. | ||
:These multiple organisms are each about the size of the infection forms, have no calcium stores for the Flood to feed on, and even if the Flood could infest them the Juggernaut doesn't look like a worm colony. -- | :These multiple organisms are each about the size of the infection forms, have no calcium stores for the Flood to feed on, and even if the Flood could infest them the Juggernaut doesn't look like a worm colony. --'''[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup>''' 19:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC) | ||
:because of the possibilities, the flood juggernaut could be mixed with other hosts (for the ribs) and were strong and big enough to absorb the hunter (amourless of course), to have the hunters brain pattern, aggresiveness of the brute, higher jumping like other F C forms... [[User:Tmek|fludz 'carnttuchmee]] 14:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | :because of the possibilities, the flood juggernaut could be mixed with other hosts (for the ribs) and were strong and big enough to absorb the hunter (amourless of course), to have the hunters brain pattern, aggresiveness of the brute, higher jumping like other F C forms... [[User:Tmek|fludz 'carnttuchmee]] 14:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Possibly.... {{Unsigned|69.14.127.209}} | Possibly.... {{Unsigned|69.14.127.209}} | ||
I think it's a Drinol/Sharquoi (since they're probably the same thing). I don't think it can be an engineer because they don't have legs. --File:Final Goji.jpg|40px]] [[User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 14:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC) | I think it's a Drinol/Sharquoi (since they're probably the same thing). I don't think it can be an engineer because they don't have legs. --File:Final Goji.jpg|40px]] [[User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 14:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
===Are they Brutes?=== | ===Are they Brutes?=== | ||
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I know that there are a lot of things you can do with the mods, (like the gold warthog) but how do you actually mod the game? It isnt out on the PC, so do you have to mod the xbox, or the actual disk? | I know that there are a lot of things you can do with the mods, (like the gold warthog) but how do you actually mod the game? It isnt out on the PC, so do you have to mod the xbox, or the actual disk? | ||
:I don't know the specifics, but you do have to open up your Xbox and tinker with it. Due to the abuse of mods, Xbox Live will automatically ban the account of anyone using a modded Xbox, which is why modders like to have two. [[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]]'s a modder, and could probably answer any other questions you have about it. -- | :I don't know the specifics, but you do have to open up your Xbox and tinker with it. Due to the abuse of mods, Xbox Live will automatically ban the account of anyone using a modded Xbox, which is why modders like to have two. [[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]]'s a modder, and could probably answer any other questions you have about it. --'''[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">Dragon<font color="FF0000">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sup>''' 10:32, 5 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
::Modding your xbox allows you to copy and FTP the .map files to your PC. Then you can use apps found at the utilities section of halomods to actually tinker with the .map files. --[[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]] 12:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC) | ::Modding your xbox allows you to copy and FTP the .map files to your PC. Then you can use apps found at the utilities section of halomods to actually tinker with the .map files. --[[User:Dojorkan|Dojorkan]] 12:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
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*Make you need to wash your pants = obviously | *Make you need to wash your pants = obviously | ||
--[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 23:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC) | --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 23:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
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There is something down there though... it was big... I saw something when I played that level.[[User:Sgt.johnson|AJ]] 00:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC) | There is something down there though... it was big... I saw something when I played that level.[[User:Sgt.johnson|AJ]] 00:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
How could you see anything? To me the floor is frosted over worse than a window on a cold morning. --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland| <font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 00:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC) | How could you see anything? To me the floor is frosted over worse than a window on a cold morning. --[[User:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">Lordofmonsterisland</font>]][[User talk:Lordofmonsterisland|<font color="green">"Roar to me"</font>]] 00:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
It is frosted; but you can see the outline of something big. I did. You can see it with like a whole bunch of combat forms and carrier forms around it and the thing is killing elites.[[User:Sgt.johnson|AJ]] 00:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC) | It is frosted; but you can see the outline of something big. I did. You can see it with like a whole bunch of combat forms and carrier forms around it and the thing is killing elites.[[User:Sgt.johnson|AJ]] 00:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
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== What the walk motion? | == What the walk motion? | ||
Flood juggernauts are very tall but what I don't understand is why they walk so funky!Now they are very much humanoid yet they are so tall.But then again they are humanoids so they should might as well walk like a human. | Flood juggernauts are very tall but what I don't understand is why they walk so funky!Now they are very much humanoid yet they are so tall.But then again they are humanoids so they should might as well walk like a human. {{Unsigned|24.12.184.203}} | ||
== Pure Form? == | == Pure Form? == | ||
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== Several juggernauts == | == Several juggernauts == | ||
Just to clear that up, the appearance of several juggernauts in some videos isn't what you think it is. I'm pretty sure that if you can edit Halo 2 you can edit how many will spawn, and if it will respawn. Oh, and not that I have seen any that have more than one Juggernaut, but I haven't watched any juggernaut fights either. I just saw a bunch of people up there talking about the "other" one, or so I recall. [[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[ | Just to clear that up, the appearance of several juggernauts in some videos isn't what you think it is. I'm pretty sure that if you can edit Halo 2 you can edit how many will spawn, and if it will respawn. Oh, and not that I have seen any that have more than one Juggernaut, but I haven't watched any juggernaut fights either. I just saw a bunch of people up there talking about the "other" one, or so I recall. [[User:PX173|'''''PX''''']][[User talk:PX173|''1'']]''7''[[Special:Contributions/PX173|''3'']] 16:08, October 12, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Kind of like a Carrier == | == Kind of like a Carrier == | ||
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The Juggernaut looks like a carrier form. Could their be some relation, like, it 's a carrier form with a little more defense? [[User talk:Liquid Ink|Liquid Ink]] 08:25, March 6, 2010 (UTC) | The Juggernaut looks like a carrier form. Could their be some relation, like, it 's a carrier form with a little more defense? [[User talk:Liquid Ink|Liquid Ink]] 08:25, March 6, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I bet it is. The similarity should be mentioned in the Trivia section. - [[User: Echo 1 | Echoes are all you hear... ]] 00:12, June 25, 2010 (UTC) | I bet it is. The similarity should be mentioned in the Trivia section. - [[User: Echo 1|Echoes are all you hear...]] 00:12, June 25, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Feast of Bones == | == Feast of Bones == | ||
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'''Modifications to the article''' | '''Modifications to the article''' | ||
The Juggernaut is either canon or at least [[Template: | The Juggernaut is either canon or at least [[Template:Semi-canon|semi-canon]], it would fall into the advanced category, and was deleted from ''Halo 2'' but not from the ''Halo'' universe itself as Bungie still clung to it as late as the early 2010s. I doubt whether 343i can have an explicit stance on the matter, as they have barely used the Flood in the meantime and even if they brought them back the Juggernaut itself is unlikely to come back properly. That leaves us with Bungie's last stance, which is actually quite ambiguous overall, but from Vic's work I would say the creature does fit somewhere in the universe, but not in the games due to AI limitations. Like in ''Halo 3'', where we were supposed to fight the Gravemind with a Scarab, but... well, you can imagine why it didn't happen. Anyway, Vic puts it too ostensibly on the same level as the Proto-Gravemind and the Gravemind, so I wouldn't dare to say it's got deleted from the universe. Deleted from ''Halo 2'', yes (according to Feast of Bones). But from Bungie's internal canon, never (according to Vic's point of view). [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 19:48, 8 February 2015 (EST) | ||
:Bump. (A topic on Waypoint about the Juggernaut made me remember about this) [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 21:19, 11 March 2015 (EDT) | :Bump. (A topic on Waypoint about the Juggernaut made me remember about this) [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 21:19, 11 March 2015 (EDT) | ||
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So this is the abomination. I think this means the so-called "thrasher form" needs to b renamed as Juggernaut since it is actually called that in a board game. | So this is the abomination. I think this means the so-called "thrasher form" needs to b renamed as Juggernaut since it is actually called that in a board game. | ||
:As for the latter point, I don't think an obscure and probably quasi-canonical board game should take precedence over the name given in a major release. We could list "Juggernaut" as an alternative name for the thrasher form, though even that's suspect - do we know for a fact they're the same thing, aside from looks? [[ | :As for the latter point, I don't think an obscure and probably quasi-canonical board game should take precedence over the name given in a major release. We could list "Juggernaut" as an alternative name for the thrasher form, though even that's suspect - do we know for a fact they're the same thing, aside from looks? [[Zanar-pattern light cruiser|A lot]] of [[Ket-pattern battlecruiser|things]] in Halo resemble one another without necessarily being the same. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 10:40, 16 June 2017 (EDT) | ||
=="The Mona Lisa"== | =="The Mona Lisa"== | ||
I ''really'' don't think "The Mona Lisa" motion comic should be listed as an appearance. If this article were solely about the Juggernaut it would be a different story. However, this page focuses on the canonical Abomination which, in spite of being inspired by the Juggernaut, is pointedly not the same thing. The combat form in the motion comic is just that — a combat form inspired by an unused concept, neither an Abomination nor a true Juggernaut. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our answer is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 09:37, 15 June 2017 (EDT) | I ''really'' don't think "The Mona Lisa" motion comic should be listed as an appearance. If this article were solely about the Juggernaut it would be a different story. However, this page focuses on the canonical Abomination which, in spite of being inspired by the Juggernaut, is pointedly not the same thing. The combat form in the motion comic is just that — a combat form inspired by an unused concept, neither an Abomination nor a true Juggernaut. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our answer is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 09:37, 15 June 2017 (EDT) | ||