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Why was the main image cut down to only show the turret and not the entire Spartan? The Missile Pod article shows the whole character, this one does not. [[User:Vethryn|Vethryn]] 05:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC) | Why was the main image cut down to only show the turret and not the entire Spartan? The Missile Pod article shows the whole character, this one does not. [[User:Vethryn|Vethryn]] 05:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Anyone else think this might be the reincarnation of the WPAS Minigun from the E3 1999 Halo build? (See lower half of [http://web.archive.org/web/20041227153214/http://nikon.bungie.org/pressscans/pcxl.0500/pcxl.0500.p3.jpg this].) [[User:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 04:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC) | Anyone else think this might be the reincarnation of the WPAS Minigun from the E3 1999 Halo build? (See lower half of [http://web.archive.org/web/20041227153214/http://nikon.bungie.org/pressscans/pcxl.0500/pcxl.0500.p3.jpg this].) [[User:Andrew Nagy|Andrew Nagy]] 04:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
*Definitely. Bungie have been itching to put it in a game, and thank god they did! I have got killing sprees with this thing, and i'm not ''that'' good aplayer, but it feels like so much fun shredding enemies! Cheers Bungie! I salute you! | *Definitely. Bungie have been itching to put it in a game, and thank god they did! I have got killing sprees with this thing, and i'm not ''that'' good aplayer, but it feels like so much fun shredding enemies! Cheers Bungie! I salute you! | ||
File:HalfJaw03.jpg|30px]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font> <sup>[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=black>The Battle-Net</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]</sub> 04:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
I had to remove the bit in the article about the AIE-486H replacing the Warthog's LAAG. Despite the similarity of both weapons, Frankie's [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BAGwarthog article on the Warthog] states that it still uses the M41 LAAG. | I had to remove the bit in the article about the AIE-486H replacing the Warthog's LAAG. Despite the similarity of both weapons, Frankie's [http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&link=BAGwarthog article on the Warthog] states that it still uses the M41 LAAG. | ||
<span style="font-family: HandelGothic BT; font-size: 12pt;">[[User:Rtas Vadumee|Rtas Vadumee]] | <span style="font-family: HandelGothic BT; font-size: 12pt;">[[User:Rtas Vadumee|Rtas Vadumee]]File:UNSCoH_Dingo_without_letters.PNG|30px]]<small><sup>[[User_talk:Rtas_Vadumee|TALK]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Rtas_Vadumee|CONTRIBS]]</sub></small></span> 07:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
can this or the plasma cannon bring down a phantom? | can this or the plasma cannon bring down a phantom? | ||
Ya man the turrets can take down a phantom, every weapons can the only thing that you need is ammo and time. [[User:Clavix2|<font color="Black">Clavix2</font>]] | Ya man the turrets can take down a phantom, every weapons can the only thing that you need is ammo and time. [[User:Clavix2|<font color="Black">Clavix2</font>]] File:Halo2emblemClavix.jpg|30px]] <sup> [[User talk:Clavix2|<font color="Red">I WILL PAY FOR </font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Clavix2|<font color="Black"> ALL MY SINS </font>]]</sup> 01:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
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There has been multiple footages showing ODSTs wielding the turret in the campaign. This ofcourse is conflicting stuff as ODSTs are not as strong as Spartans. Beats me why Bungie decided to ignore such a part of the Halo Universe canon. | There has been multiple footages showing ODSTs wielding the turret in the campaign. This ofcourse is conflicting stuff as ODSTs are not as strong as Spartans. Beats me why Bungie decided to ignore such a part of the Halo Universe canon. | ||
:Who says the ODSTs ripped the turrets off? Carrying a turret may require less strength than violently and rapidly tearing it off of its base. Furthermore, the ODSTs are in a city that was blown apart by a massive shock wave during a big Covie-Human battle, so I'm willing to bet that a few turrets got ripped off the base by the shock wave. The ODSTs could also use explosives or something to break the turrets -- works in ''Halo 3''. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :Who says the ODSTs ripped the turrets off? Carrying a turret may require less strength than violently and rapidly tearing it off of its base. Furthermore, the ODSTs are in a city that was blown apart by a massive shock wave during a big Covie-Human battle, so I'm willing to bet that a few turrets got ripped off the base by the shock wave. The ODSTs could also use explosives or something to break the turrets -- works in ''Halo 3''. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 04:08, September 12, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Huh, Didn't think of that.[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 17:36, September 12, 2009 (UTC) | Huh, Didn't think of that.[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 17:36, September 12, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Where does it say, anywhere, in the canon that the HMG fires SLAP rounds? Was this just made up by someone then established as 'fact'? I have never seen any sourcing from it and have removed it in the past but it keeps coming back. Any pointers would be great. [[User talk:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 14:46, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | Where does it say, anywhere, in the canon that the HMG fires SLAP rounds? Was this just made up by someone then established as 'fact'? I have never seen any sourcing from it and have removed it in the past but it keeps coming back. Any pointers would be great. [[User talk:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 14:46, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:At first glance, I thought it was vandalism... but looks like it's a real round. :P | :At first glance, I thought it was vandalism... but looks like it's a real round. :P | ||
:Why not just ''slap'' in the [[Template: | :Why not just ''slap'' in the [[Template:Citation needed]] template in? - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 14:52, June 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Separate page proposal == | == Separate page proposal == | ||
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This had better be a retcon of some sort... <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 17:09, June 18, 2010 (UTC) | This had better be a retcon of some sort... <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 17:09, June 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Ok, I think we have sufficient evidence to tell that this is not an AIE-486H. The career stats seem to be shaky info as a few weapons have been misnamed (the assault rifle and plasma cannon) and most weapons seem to have been named in a very informal way. I think that even though it is technically Bungie canon, it is kind of unreliable. We should go ahead and make the new page in my opinion. | |||
'''Evidence Disproving the AIE-486H Name:''' | |||
1) The Halo: Reach Beta's career stats description is the exact same as Halo 3's career stats description. This describes the turret as "''...slow to spin up to full firing rate.''", which is a characteristic only found in the Halo 3 turret. | |||
2) The ammunition box on the Reach turret says "12mm HVE", a very different round than the 7.62mm used by the AIE. | |||
3) The most obvious evidence, they are two completely different types of machine guns. There is no way they could have the exact same name. | |||
--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 03:21, July 2, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Something I just noticed. The turret mounted on the Scorpion in the Beta is called an M247, the same as the Halo 3 Scorpion's turret and Halo 2 stand-alone turret. This can't be right as the turret on the Reach Scorpion is the same weapon as the Reach turret in its stand-alone form. I think this is further evidence that Bungie's career stats should no longer be taken seriously.--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 20:30, July 20, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Oh! New loophole discovered! Since the Reach Beta stats page no longer exists, there is no source stating that it is an AIE. Is this enough to create a separate page titled "Unknown Turret blah blah blah"?--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 21:55, July 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Would it kill to wait until the release? Just leave the info here until further updates arrive. If its the same, then we'll be fine. If not, then just create a separate page. {{User:General5 7/sig}} | |||
::What kind of info would the release have? Seriously?--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 22:33, July 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::That's the thing: ''we don't know yet''. So just be quiet and wait. {{User:General5 7/sig}} | |||
:::The release wouldn't have jack. It most definately won't tell you in-game and I'm pretty pessimistic that the game manual will tell you anything either.--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 03:23, July 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Brutes using turrets == | == Brutes using turrets == | ||
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And a few more points (that I forgot to add), the real-life M134 minigun has 6 rotating barrels and uses the 7.62x51mm. It can achieve a rate of fire of 3000 RPM, whereas the AIE-486H can only achieve 600 RPM. Since it has 3 barrels instead of 6, I would guess it would have around half the rate of fire (1500 RPM) but it is still nowhere near that. A good assumption would be that the AIE uses a higher caliber round and is indeed a true HMG. In my final point, look at the ammunition belt feeding into the AIE. It looks much more like .50 caliber ammunition to me. It is almost identical to the belt feeding into the Warthog's .50 caliber M41 LAAG turret.--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 19:59, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | And a few more points (that I forgot to add), the real-life M134 minigun has 6 rotating barrels and uses the 7.62x51mm. It can achieve a rate of fire of 3000 RPM, whereas the AIE-486H can only achieve 600 RPM. Since it has 3 barrels instead of 6, I would guess it would have around half the rate of fire (1500 RPM) but it is still nowhere near that. A good assumption would be that the AIE uses a higher caliber round and is indeed a true HMG. In my final point, look at the ammunition belt feeding into the AIE. It looks much more like .50 caliber ammunition to me. It is almost identical to the belt feeding into the Warthog's .50 caliber M41 LAAG turret.--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 19:59, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:The 7.62mm designation on the AIE-486H was probably just something Bungie carried over from Halo 2, to save time, similiar to what you stated. 343 then proceeded to use the information on the box for their mention of the gun. When Bungie updated the turret in Halo: Reach (which I believe is an Army variant of the gun) they updated the designation as well. In the end, I think it's a minor mistake on Bungie, that when more information is released, will be fixed. --[[user:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Bl]][[user_talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|a]][[Special:Contributions/Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|h]] 20:10, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Completely agree with you [[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]], but you should correct something, the real life M134 Minigun can achieve a maximum ROF of 4000 to 6000 RPM, and not the 3000 RPM that you said ;) - also, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-19 GAU-19] which is a modern day 3-barreled gatling gun, also fires .5 cal, and has much lower ROF than the M134, being of only about 1000 to 2000 RPM--[[User talk:Fipas|Fipas]] 21:56, June 26, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::To contribute somewhat belatedly, a Wikipedia search the other night told me that a 7.62mm SLAP round consists of your average 7.62mm bullet held inside a sabot, allowing it to fit in a .50 calibre barrel. This would suggest to me that the AIE-486H is a .50 cal HMG that in addition to saboted 7.62mm rounds for armour penetration, it can also fire full-sized .50 cal ammo.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 17:51, August 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::I'd also like to point out that we've never really had an 'official' say at what round it fires. The 7.62mm came from the boxes, which were incorrectly labelled (as mentioned above!) but in the in-game dialogue, it is ''always'' referred to as a 'fifty-cal' or 'fifty' in both the Halo 3 campaign and in Halo 3: ODST. It would make sense for it to be .50 in terms of its heavy machine-gun status and the amount of damage it does, but apparently in-game dialogue isn't good enough for this wiki. For some reason. Because lets be honest, there is more evidence saying it fires .50 rounds rather than 7.62mm SLAP rounds. (grump over) [[User talk:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 01:16, August 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Range == | |||
Is there any other information on this weapons effective range (Bungie updates, ect.)? The [[Halo Encyclopedia (2009 edition)]] lists it's effective range at 100 meters yet the far less effective [[M247 General Purpose Machine Gun]] from Halo 2 is stated in the Encyclopedia to have a range of 1,100 meters. I don't want to add the range of 100 meters, because it seems to be a mistake. --[[user:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Bl]][[user_talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|a]][[Special:Contributions/Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|h]] 19:03, June 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== separate == | |||
i purpose that the halo reach version should be moved to it's own article, although they have the same name (which i'm sure it's only a typo by Bungie)since you can clearly see from the images provided that the Halo 3 version and the Reach version are completely diferent weapons, they're very style design is completely diferent, the H3 is of a gatling-style, while the reach is of normal single barrel design--[[User talk:Fipas|Fipas]] 19:17, June 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:I REALLY wish we could, but we cannot call it anything else because the only name that has been given to it is the AIE-486H, no matter how bogus it is. I think that eventually we will get a new name for it, possibly when Bungie updates their Ordnance page.--[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-weight:bold; font-family:Comic Sans MS">Penguin</span>]] 05:05, June 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||