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Despite my absence I've been keeping track of things from behind the scenes and lately I've been noticing some outrageous-ness, inconsistencies, and just blatant insults. We've already had problems with past media that screwed up canon in their own special ways (Kilo-five series, Initiation, etc.). Now we have new editions that are helping to get things back on track from that era but are doing a bit too much. Now this isn't to say the Escalation series is bad, let-alone catalog should be silenced. Not at all. I like the Escalation comic series and have been purchasing every issue that has been released thus far. As for catalog, I haven't been paying to much attention to "him" nor do I even care to. But here's the problem. It seems as though recently the things 343I added to the Halo universe are a bit of a subtraction to the universe despite their intent.
Despite my absence I've been keeping track of things from behind the scenes and lately I've been noticing some outrageous-ness, inconsistencies, and just blatant insults. We've already had problems with past media that screwed up canon in their own special ways (Kilo-five series, Initiation, etc.). Now we have new editions that are helping to get things back on track from that era but are doing a bit too much. Now this isn't to say the Escalation series is bad, let-alone catalog should be silenced. Not at all. I like the Escalation comic series and have been purchasing every issue that has been released thus far. As for catalog, I haven't been paying to much attention to "him" nor do I even care to. But here's the problem. It seems as though recently the things 343I added to the Halo universe are a bit of a subtraction to the universe despite their intent.
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...before anymore damage is done. This "Catalog" guy...I can understand that there are some mysterious that people would like to see get solved. I understand that people have so many questions. Hell, even I like to find out what happened to so and so. Great! But here's the problem, and it goes back to the old saying - ''Leave well enough alone.'' Why? Well with some of the things that Catalog has been revealing, it has been a major subtraction. For example - apparently someone asked about the whereabouts of team saber. Out of nowhere, catalog reveals that they were "killed in action" in Sept 2553. What?! Just kill them off?? Just another example of 343I doing whatever/however they like to previously established canon. Instead of just saying they were reassigned so that maybe they have a potential future story ark that may lead to their deaths, they are just killed off w/o an explanation for the sack of it. 343I needs to take better care of the Haloverse than what they are doing now. They have improved with this at first but now they seem to be going backwards. Which brings me to my next point.
...before anymore damage is done. This "Catalog" guy...I can understand that there are some mysterious that people would like to see get solved. I understand that people have so many questions. Hell, even I like to find out what happened to so and so. Great! But here's the problem, and it goes back to the old saying - ''Leave well enough alone.'' Why? Well with some of the things that Catalog has been revealing, it has been a major subtraction. For example - apparently someone asked about the whereabouts of team saber. Out of nowhere, catalog reveals that they were "killed in action" in Sept 2553. What?! Just kill them off?? Just another example of 343I doing whatever/however they like to previously established canon. Instead of just saying they were reassigned so that maybe they have a potential future story ark that may lead to their deaths, they are just killed off w/o an explanation for the sack of it. 343I needs to take better care of the Haloverse than what they are doing now. They have improved with this at first but now they seem to be going backwards. Which brings me to my next point.
{{Quote|The f*@k is this?|Halo Canon}}[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jvwviYCMOA&list=UUi3C2FXS0lp7oYVbGKTg2qA]
{{Quote|The f*@k is this?|Halo Canon}}[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jvwviYCMOA&list=UUi3C2FXS0lp7oYVbGKTg2qA]


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::::::I'm tired of them killing off Spartans, full-stop. I understand the rationale - build up how great X is, introduce Y who is able to kill X to increase their threat. But what it actually does is reduce the profile of X instead, and that is something I don't like for the S-IIs.  I feel like 343i realised they had an unruly amount of living Spartan-IIs for the Master Chief to be "one of the last", and by killing them or sending them into space that increases the profile for the Chief, which was the same rationale for originally making him ''the'' last. I could tolerate them being S-IIIs - heck, even Saber, who I actually grew attached to. I was hoping Tom and Lucy could lead their little trio to be capable Spartans in the post-war era. So much for that. And especially the S-IVs, who have shown potential but little proficiency. But the IIs...every one of them is supposed to be the stuff of myth and legend. When one goes down, it has to be like Sam or Will - taking a disproportionate number with them. Or James and Beta Red - leaving ambiguity. You know they're dead, but the potential for ''hope'' remains.
::::::I'm tired of them killing off Spartans, full-stop. I understand the rationale - build up how great X is, introduce Y who is able to kill X to increase their threat. But what it actually does is reduce the profile of X instead, and that is something I don't like for the S-IIs.  I feel like 343i realised they had an unruly amount of living Spartan-IIs for the Master Chief to be "one of the last", and by killing them or sending them into space that increases the profile for the Chief, which was the same rationale for originally making him ''the'' last. I could tolerate them being S-IIIs - heck, even Saber, who I actually grew attached to. I was hoping Tom and Lucy could lead their little trio to be capable Spartans in the post-war era. So much for that. And especially the S-IVs, who have shown potential but little proficiency. But the IIs...every one of them is supposed to be the stuff of myth and legend. When one goes down, it has to be like Sam or Will - taking a disproportionate number with them. Or James and Beta Red - leaving ambiguity. You know they're dead, but the potential for ''hope'' remains.
::::::I don't mind Catalog confirming things like concepts or places, but some of the things that it is confirming really should be told as stories. If you're going to kill of Byrne, make it a story - show, don't tell. If you're killing Saber, show us how it happened, don't just say it did. They feel like wasted opportunities to me.-- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:02, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
::::::I don't mind Catalog confirming things like concepts or places, but some of the things that it is confirming really should be told as stories. If you're going to kill of Byrne, make it a story - show, don't tell. If you're killing Saber, show us how it happened, don't just say it did. They feel like wasted opportunities to me.-- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:02, 26 July 2014 (EDT)


:::::::And that's what I mean by subtrating canon - wasting opporturnites thus reducing the expansion of canon. I was hoping to see what some of these SIII's look like such as Olivia, but nooooo. Instead they are knocked off the list and never heard from ever again. Not a good look for 343I. Perhaps they may explain their deaths later on down the line but I highly doubt it considering how "simple" it was for 343I to write them off. Let's just hope we don't get anymore upsetting news that may further screw up canon.--'''''[[User:Killamin7|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamin7</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamin7|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamin7|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 09:01, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::::And that's what I mean by subtrating canon - wasting opporturnites thus reducing the expansion of canon. I was hoping to see what some of these SIII's look like such as Olivia, but nooooo. Instead they are knocked off the list and never heard from ever again. Not a good look for 343I. Perhaps they may explain their deaths later on down the line but I highly doubt it considering how "simple" it was for 343I to write them off. Let's just hope we don't get anymore upsetting news that may further screw up canon.--'''''[[User:Killamin7|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Arial;">Killamin7</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Killamin7|<font color="Red">Comm</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Killamin7|<font color="Black">Files</font>]]''''']</small> 09:01, 28 July 2014 (EDT)
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Finally, there's also the matter of wasted story potential and character investment others have mentioned. At the end of ''Ghosts of Onyx'', Kelly says this to the SPARTAN-IIIs: ''"Welcome to Blue, Spartans. We're going to make a great team."'' That's so wonderful and heartwarming and gets you pumped for all the Nylundian adventures they're going to get up to in the future. Then Karen Traviss happens and the excitement about the Onyx shield world falls flat, the SPARTAN-IIIs are basically forgotten about for years in favor of a new hit-and-miss cast of characters and settings, and finally, years later, we get a footnote saying they're probably dead. It hurts. It may not be objectively wrong, what's canon is canon and 343i has every right to do whatever they want with their own property, but it still hurts. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 06:57, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
Finally, there's also the matter of wasted story potential and character investment others have mentioned. At the end of ''Ghosts of Onyx'', Kelly says this to the SPARTAN-IIIs: ''"Welcome to Blue, Spartans. We're going to make a great team."'' That's so wonderful and heartwarming and gets you pumped for all the Nylundian adventures they're going to get up to in the future. Then Karen Traviss happens and the excitement about the Onyx shield world falls flat, the SPARTAN-IIIs are basically forgotten about for years in favor of a new hit-and-miss cast of characters and settings, and finally, years later, we get a footnote saying they're probably dead. It hurts. It may not be objectively wrong, what's canon is canon and 343i has every right to do whatever they want with their own property, but it still hurts. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 06:57, 9 August 2014 (EDT)


:I've always said that no matter our own opinion, we don't decide what isn't canon. On the other hand, on reflection, there is a bit of leeway where Saber are concerned. Catalog's comment phrases it very specifically - the UNSC designated them KIA after no signs of life, not because their deaths were confirmed. So they may simply be missing in action. I hope it's true, because then we get the story potential of how that happened. Otherwise it really does just seem a waste. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:53, 10 August 2014 (EDT)
:I've always said that no matter our own opinion, we don't decide what isn't canon. On the other hand, on reflection, there is a bit of leeway where Saber are concerned. Catalog's comment phrases it very specifically - the UNSC designated them KIA after no signs of life, not because their deaths were confirmed. So they may simply be missing in action. I hope it's true, because then we get the story potential of how that happened. Otherwise it really does just seem a waste. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:53, 10 August 2014 (EDT)