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 :A classic example about how honor, religious extremism and warfare don't mix... Let's not forget that 'Mdama isn't motivated by honor or the Covenant religion... He's motivated by revenge and power... Specifically the power that harnessing the secrets of the Forerunners will provide him in the pursuit of his revenge against the UNSC for taking away everything he had: his honor, his religion, his wife & his former life... He's a Sangheili with literally nothing left to lose, and he's ''pissed''... - [[User:DJenser|DJenser]] ([[User talk:DJenser|talk]]) 15:59, 5 February 2013 (EST)
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+Haha! "I'm probably going to be smacked down with relative ease", I wasn't wrong, was I? xD
+@Tucker - From what I have seen, there is a fine line between author disparity and ignoring sections of canon which do not fit a certain plot-line. In most works involving the Sangheili, it was shown that honour was a central part of the Sangheili. But this seems to have changed in Kilo-five (and therefore Halo 4), with honour being something to aim towards, though this might be just Jul's view... Bah, I don't know. But (almost) author infighting makes more sense than "ignoring canon".. I guess its easier to say "Hey! they're ignoring this and this!", when in reality its just authors having different opinions. :P
+@Djenser - I'd thought about the feudal Japan similarities before, but I hadn't really thought too much into it. Again, you're most probably right. Though it does confirm something, we won't be seeing the Sangheili characters "flesh out" as they once did. As you say, honour ''is'' the product of the winning side. And Jul's faction are most definitely ''not'' on the winning side (as the plot up to this point suggests). The Sangheili characters we have seen were "good guys"; Sangheili who were devoted to Sangheili honour (Thel, Voro 'Manatkree, etc.). Those we are seeing now, are not. Jul seems to see honour as something to aim towards, as opposed to the beliefs of the Sangheili we've seen so far. So it may be a difference of beliefs, some see having honour as an achievement, and some see it as a way of life.
+@Weeping Angel - I guess I was generalising. Though, like everyone else, you're right. Jul ''was'' beginning to use Human tactics. I hope we get more information on the types of people Jul was recruiting in the third instalment of Kilo-five. I always assumed they were simply Sangheili from Hesduros, twisted into believing they were fighting for the right cause. I hadn't really thought about him recruiting from out of this zone, perhaps recruiting from outside Hesduros would mean a threat of the truth being let out (i.e. the alliance with Humanity, etc.), perhaps invalidating his hold on the Hesduros-remnants? Bah, again. :P Though it's nice to see that I'm not the only one that's getting a bit frustrated about it. :D
+Well, that went better than expected. Though most of my points have been debunked, I'm glad I said something. You guys bring up some really valid points, and I guess I'll try to remember these the next time I get kinda frustrated with future plot. Thanks guys, for clearing this up, and showing your opinions on the matter. :D --<b>[[User:Tentacletornado|<font color="#2E8B57">''Tent''</font><font color="#3CB371">''acle''</font>]][[User talk:Tentacletornado|<font color="#DAA520">''Torn''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Tentacletornado|<font color="#B8860B">''ado''</font>]]</b> 16:08, 5 February 2013 (EST)
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