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So the ''Halo'' panel at Comic-Con is going on right now. [https://twitter.com/bluexy This guy] is announcing all the ''Nightfall'' news on Twitter. According to the Twitter user, people in the series will die off and it will focus on Locke and a elite squad on an abandoned outer colony and a fragment of Installation 04. There is also a new Pelican type, similar to the ''[[Tart-Cart]]''. Locke is apparently going to be a playable character in ''Guardians'' as well. The series looks promising, but it is unfortunate that it will have about the same budget as ''Forward Unto Dawn''. Still, I have high hopes.

:::Selectivity has always been one of the Flood's most important traits...

:::I saw the trailer, and I like it! It certainly has a nice good BSG vibe, and the characters seem well-defined and the story a good way to frame a lead-in feature. Considering both Nightfall and Escalation seem to be leading their characters to Halos, I wonder if that will be where Halo 5 opens, with the Chief saving Locke at the beginning, then shifting to Locke coming for him?  

==Lefty with DMR!==

:Yeah, I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss either of those possibilities, flood or Leckgolo. It just seems out of character for both. Let me suggest one other weird idea. What if its Forerunner? I know that's almost impossible, but I would really like to see something more made out of the Forerunners. Hundreds of eons of technological advancement, and they feel like modern (2500s, anyway) humans, pretty much. This could be a cool defense system. It's composed of smaller parts that can assemble and reassemble at will, much like Onyx Sentinals, only with biotech. --[[User:Weeping Angel|Weeping Angel]] ([[User talk:Weeping Angel|talk]]) 11:59, 21 October 2014 (EDT)

:::I like the Forerunner bio/nanotech proposal. Something like that isn't beyond them, after all, given the known nature of the [[Huragok]]. Still, it would raise the question of why we never saw them before. Maybe an emergency operational mode or malfunction of some sort (not impossible given the state of the ring)? As for the Lekgolo idea, if the individual eels were that nimble and fast on their own you'd think the Covenant would've just deployed them in giant swarms that roll over everything in the battlefield like a tidal wave. Though this wouldn't be the first time they came up with new abilities without considering their bigger implications (I'm looking at you, Karen Traviss & Brian Reed and your instant interstellar teleportation). And Frankie seems to be fond of Lekgolo so they can't entirely be ruled out either. Finally, the Flood is not out of the question. We know they're highly adaptable and mutable so this being a variation of say, the infection form or pure form concepts wouldn't be unthinkable. If the shapeshifting figure is related to the bioweapon (which it likely is), the "element" part would rule out Lekgolo and leave Forerunner smatter and Flood (specifically, the base genetic material). Or something truly new, maybe related to the HCEA terminals' alien vessel. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:32, 22 October 2014 (EDT)

I love being right. What I don't get is how do you "reverse" enhancements like a material surgically grafted into your bones, or a dramatic overhaul of your entire nervous system or muscle fibers, without slipping into comic book nonsense. Did they give him the anti-Spartan serum or something? Then he writhed for some time in intense pain on the operating table (the "excruciating process") and his powers were gone? Maybe ONI also tested their new secret weapon, the shrink ray, on him given the size difference. That or nanomachines did it. Or maybe he never lost his augmentations and is revealed to have been an ONI double agent all along. In any case a proper explanation would be nice. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 06:51, 12 November 2014 (EST)

::::[https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/randall-aiken ''"(Aiken) eventually negotiated a deal where ONI reversed many of his augmentations (in what would be an excruciating process) in return for his release from service to the UNSC."''] Sounds like there was more going on than the body's natural processes. Also, I don't have an Xbone either. Didn't stop me from seeing Nightfall though. ;) --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:51, 16 November 2014 (EST)

As an aside I liked Horrigan's comment about how the Sedrans are "two centuries behind us" and "still believe in Valhalla". At first I thought that was a hyperbole or joke or he was just clueless about the local religions, but it could also be that the Norse religion was in vogue in the 2300's. It'd be a little silly and unexpected but stranger things have happened. Sometimes it's easy to forget how much cultures can change in five hundred years, particularly when you have hundreds of different offshoots developing on their own on different worlds. I like these sorts of bits of future history that remind us this is not just today's world in space (something I had a problem with in the ''Kilo-Five Trilogy''). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 03:27, 13 November 2014 (EST)

So, I managed to find some time to watch it and... I don't really like the first episode. There's a treaty? An Elite Zealot, a species known for its honour code, resorting to detonating a dirty bomb (which is a very cowardly move, moreso for an Elite Zealot!)? Wait, the "element" infects only humans yet not every human is infected? And I am still having trouble accepting the reversal of the surgical augmentations of Randall. It's like reversing Wolverine's adamantium skeleton and claws. *shrugs* — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  11:15, 20 November 2014 (EST)

So, any guesses as to who'll make it and who won't? As for myself, I think this is shaping up to be an "everyone dies" story. Well, everyone but Locke. This scars him mentally somewhat and makes him more ruthless, someone whose motivations and allegiances are genuinely questionable when he appears in ''Halo 5'' (up until now he's mostly been a rather nice guy). Randall will go out with a heroic sacrifice worthy of a Spartan while Macer will say something character-developing and potentially foreshadowing before dying in Locke's arms. The deaths of everyone else, including the ONI team members, are pretty much a given (I bet Ramos will be the first one to go). In the end Locke escapes Alpha Shard in a callback to the ending of ''Combat Evolved'' (or "The Maw Lite"). The last we see of him is a slightly ominous epilogue where he receives his S-IV augmentations, looking all surly and menacing (or just steps into the surgical theater/cue credits). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:48, 20 November 2014 (EST)

::It's also possible that "Spartan" is a codename for the main cast—the production crew may or may not have confused the armored and helmeted ONI and Sedrans with Spartans, or they simply used the name because it's catchy. Or the names are simply their peculiar way of identifying the main and second units. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:03, 20 November 2014 (EST)

::::"''It's also possible that "Spartan" is a codename for the main cast ...''" I had considered that and I'm afraid it may be so. Maybe Locke and Co. ''were'' Spartans in early drafts of the story and the change just never clicked with the behind-the-scenes crew.

:::::I'm definitely hoping there's something to tie up all these disparate plot threads. It's a hard for me to buy that an element with effects that specific would be generated by pure coincidence, let alone that anyone would actually end up finding out about its properties when it's only found in a location like this. I was hoping the threat on the Halo fragment would end up being an aspect of the element or something mutated by it to connect the two (for some reason I immediately think of the black goo from ''Prometheus''), but it remains to be seen how they'll fit the Lekgolo in the grander scheme of things in the later episodes, if they do it at all. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if it was revealed later on that someone (Osman?) engineered the ground mission to Alpha Shard for the sake of studying some deeper threat present there. With a "crew expendable" caveat of course. As an aside I found it a little strange that ''Escalation''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s ''Exposure'' arc isn't apparently the prequel to ''Nightfall'' as I'd assumed—it seemed like it was being pushed out just the right moment to coincide with the webseries' release, not to mention the subject matter of a bioweapon, which has been rather unusual in the ''Haloverse'' so far. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:09, 21 November 2014 (EST)