65,199
edits
Talk:Glassing: Difference between revisions
m
Text replacement - "([A-Za-z]+) Policy" to "$1 policy"
m (Text replacement - "([A-Za-z]+) Policy" to "$1 policy") |
|||
| (7 intermediate revisions by 6 users not shown) | |||
| Line 1: | Line 1: | ||
== "Unidentified Brute" == | == "Unidentified Brute" == | ||
| Line 20: | Line 18: | ||
Banshees cannot really glass stuff... USE COMMON SENSE. Banshees plasma bolts melt sand glass yes but in large scale that is simply impossible... | Banshees cannot really glass stuff... USE COMMON SENSE. Banshees plasma bolts melt sand glass yes but in large scale that is simply impossible... | ||
:Put an emphasis on the term "Large Scale". Banshee's don't operate in two's or three's, except in the game. In the novels, you can have hundreds flying at you. Imagine the destruction their weapons could wreak on a ground target. -- ''' | :Put an emphasis on the term "Large Scale". Banshee's don't operate in two's or three's, except in the game. In the novels, you can have hundreds flying at you. Imagine the destruction their weapons could wreak on a ground target. -- '''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 22:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
==Halo wars== | ==Halo wars== | ||
| Line 49: | Line 47: | ||
And it is not outdated. You say you have seen videos, have you ever played the games? | And it is not outdated. You say you have seen videos, have you ever played the games? | ||
Glassed is the offical term in the Halo Universe, Bungie uses it the novels use it, it is the accepted canonical term. Just because you feel that it is outdated does not give you the right to change canon, what you are putting up there is fanon, that is not allowed on Halopedia. So stop replacing "glassed" with "razed". Your activity can and will be reported. [http:// | Glassed is the offical term in the Halo Universe, Bungie uses it the novels use it, it is the accepted canonical term. Just because you feel that it is outdated does not give you the right to change canon, what you are putting up there is fanon, that is not allowed on Halopedia. So stop replacing "glassed" with "razed". Your activity can and will be reported. [http://halopedian.com/Halopedia:Covenant_of_Halopedia/Member_List#Honor_Guard_Elites <span style="color: #000080; font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;">'''Honor Guard'''</span>] [[User:Spartansniper450|<font color=#00416A>Spartansniper</font>]]'''[[User talk:Spartansniper450|<font color="#000000">'''4'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Spartansniper450|<font color="#000000">'''50'''</font>]] 16:17, Nov 20, 2008 (UTC) | ||
:... I hate reports... [[User Talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">K</font>]][[User:Subtank|<font color="#EC5800">A</font>]][[ | :... I hate reports... [[User Talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">K</font>]][[User:Subtank|<font color="#EC5800">A</font>]][[halofanon:Category:Subtank|<font color="#E34234">C</font>]]-File:Knatbus.jpg|24px]] 16:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
To HALO Legend, the official term given by Bungie is Glassed. Also, please note that this is a game, thus there are several contradicting facts and reality. Although I agree that Razed would suit with this article, note that the header itself is titled '''"Glassing"'''. So, we would have to use Glassed for consistency. [[User Talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">K</font>]][[User:Subtank|<font color="#EC5800">A</font>]][[ | To HALO Legend, the official term given by Bungie is Glassed. Also, please note that this is a game, thus there are several contradicting facts and reality. Although I agree that Razed would suit with this article, note that the header itself is titled '''"Glassing"'''. So, we would have to use Glassed for consistency. [[User Talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">K</font>]][[User:Subtank|<font color="#EC5800">A</font>]][[halofanon:Category:Subtank|<font color="#E34234">C</font>]]-File:Knatbus.jpg|24px]] 16:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Aftermath? == | == Aftermath? == | ||
| Line 341: | Line 339: | ||
::Not necessarily. The sarge even states in the end as the Covenant leave "''Damned planet isn't even worth glassing''". Also, it's quite plausible they wouldn't glass Ariel, as it only had an extremely small colony with an archaeological dig. While it's possible they later glassed the planet, it isn't mentioned in any point in the comic. For all we know, Ariel might've been an exception. I'm not saying it was, but we have no proof whatsoever. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 09:23, March 19, 2010 (UTC) | ::Not necessarily. The sarge even states in the end as the Covenant leave "''Damned planet isn't even worth glassing''". Also, it's quite plausible they wouldn't glass Ariel, as it only had an extremely small colony with an archaeological dig. While it's possible they later glassed the planet, it isn't mentioned in any point in the comic. For all we know, Ariel might've been an exception. I'm not saying it was, but we have no proof whatsoever. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 09:23, March 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Image | == Image policy == | ||
Durandal earlier told me earlier on this talk page that the Manual of Style says that an article should have just one featured image and the rest go in a gallery unless the article is escessively long. However, I've looked through the MOS, as well as through the image sections, and I don't see this anywhere. Therefore, I would like to ask if I can add a few images within the article, as some of the more detailed sections are a little hard on the eyes, and the gallery is steadily growing larger. Sound okay?[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 04:06, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | Durandal earlier told me earlier on this talk page that the Manual of Style says that an article should have just one featured image and the rest go in a gallery unless the article is escessively long. However, I've looked through the MOS, as well as through the image sections, and I don't see this anywhere. Therefore, I would like to ask if I can add a few images within the article, as some of the more detailed sections are a little hard on the eyes, and the gallery is steadily growing larger. Sound okay?[[User:Tuckerscreator|'''Tuckerscreator''']] 04:06, May 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
| Line 388: | Line 386: | ||
It appears now to be more a way to simply destroy cities and military installations quickly, to eliminate all large scale resistance. Evolutions even described that as well, and the fact that total planetary destruction was rare. Now we know that even in those occasional circumstances, it is not total. -[[User talk:Anton1792|Anton1792]] 23:15, 24 October 2010 (EDT) | It appears now to be more a way to simply destroy cities and military installations quickly, to eliminate all large scale resistance. Evolutions even described that as well, and the fact that total planetary destruction was rare. Now we know that even in those occasional circumstances, it is not total. -[[User talk:Anton1792|Anton1792]] 23:15, 24 October 2010 (EDT) | ||
:In her journal, Halsey mentions the glassing of Arcadia. There's no quibbling about with "they just hit the cities" - they burned the whole thing. So either the Committee vastly underestimate the Covenant's firepower, or their numbers. Remember, this is an enormous empire that could span thousands of star systems. How many ships could they produce, and how many would they need for internal/external security? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :In her journal, Halsey mentions the glassing of Arcadia. There's no quibbling about with "they just hit the cities" - they burned the whole thing. So either the Committee vastly underestimate the Covenant's firepower, or their numbers. Remember, this is an enormous empire that could span thousands of star systems. How many ships could they produce, and how many would they need for internal/external security? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 01:47, 25 October 2010 (EDT) | ||
''"The careful immolation of every vital part of the planet."'' | ''"The careful immolation of every vital part of the planet."'' | ||
| Line 447: | Line 445: | ||
:::Indeed, the concept of glassing seems to have been getting some retcon treatment recently. However, it is justified; as said above, for the Covenant to glass a planet from pole-to-pole, vaporizing the entire surface area, ''every time'' they take a planet is indeed quite unrealistic, and the amount of energy required would utterly enormous. One thing that has been overlooked in the above discussion however, regarding space combat and glassing being one and the same; they are not. The Covenant glass a planet after a battle, as a merciless religious victory ceremony more than anything else, and as said it happens ''after'' a battle. It has been described that when glassing a planet, the Covenant ships begin to build up and charge enormous amounts of plasma on their underside launchers, and build up the bolt until their shields cannot hold it anymore, then fire it down on the planet; causing a blast of destruction much larger and more powerful than anything they would use in ship-to-ship combat. Because in ship-to-ship combat, it is a frantic battle, the Covenant don't use nearly as much energy as they do when glassing, and human ships don't need that much plasma to be vaporized anyway. | :::Indeed, the concept of glassing seems to have been getting some retcon treatment recently. However, it is justified; as said above, for the Covenant to glass a planet from pole-to-pole, vaporizing the entire surface area, ''every time'' they take a planet is indeed quite unrealistic, and the amount of energy required would utterly enormous. One thing that has been overlooked in the above discussion however, regarding space combat and glassing being one and the same; they are not. The Covenant glass a planet after a battle, as a merciless religious victory ceremony more than anything else, and as said it happens ''after'' a battle. It has been described that when glassing a planet, the Covenant ships begin to build up and charge enormous amounts of plasma on their underside launchers, and build up the bolt until their shields cannot hold it anymore, then fire it down on the planet; causing a blast of destruction much larger and more powerful than anything they would use in ship-to-ship combat. Because in ship-to-ship combat, it is a frantic battle, the Covenant don't use nearly as much energy as they do when glassing, and human ships don't need that much plasma to be vaporized anyway. | ||
:::This evidence can be collected from ''Halo: Ghosts of Onyx'', during the battle around High Charity. In this scene, the Reverence-class cruiser attempted to destroy a Brute frigate with a single shot from its energy projector, and in order to do so, it had to divert power from every single non-vital component of the ship to discharge enough plasma; and the wait of charging the plasma almost got the ship destroyed. From this, it can be seen that in regular ship-to-ship combat against humans, the Covenant do not use a fraction of the energy their plasma weapons are capable of, for the sole reason that they do not need to. However, when in combat against other Covenant ships, something that was only observed towards the very end of the war, much more energy is required to puncture both shields and their superior hulls. My point is; is that the Assembly did indeed underestimate Covenant glassing capabilities, as they assumed the weaponry used against humans in ship-to-ship combat was the most that they could muster. - | :::This evidence can be collected from ''Halo: Ghosts of Onyx'', during the battle around High Charity. In this scene, the Reverence-class cruiser attempted to destroy a Brute frigate with a single shot from its energy projector, and in order to do so, it had to divert power from every single non-vital component of the ship to discharge enough plasma; and the wait of charging the plasma almost got the ship destroyed. From this, it can be seen that in regular ship-to-ship combat against humans, the Covenant do not use a fraction of the energy their plasma weapons are capable of, for the sole reason that they do not need to. However, when in combat against other Covenant ships, something that was only observed towards the very end of the war, much more energy is required to puncture both shields and their superior hulls. My point is; is that the Assembly did indeed underestimate Covenant glassing capabilities, as they assumed the weaponry used against humans in ship-to-ship combat was the most that they could muster. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 06:03, 27 October 2010 (EDT) | ||
::::The only thing I can say, is that it seems bizarre that the Covenant would hold up so high a threat and feat in the destruction of humanity if their methods were something they truly could not follow up on. SOMEBODY in the Covenant fleet has to have noticed, it's right in their face, and yet they always treat it as though the job were a full glassing(such as in ''The Return''). Kinda hard to miss what you were personally involved in, but that's all I have to say. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 10:40, 27 October 2010 (EDT) | ::::The only thing I can say, is that it seems bizarre that the Covenant would hold up so high a threat and feat in the destruction of humanity if their methods were something they truly could not follow up on. SOMEBODY in the Covenant fleet has to have noticed, it's right in their face, and yet they always treat it as though the job were a full glassing(such as in ''The Return''). Kinda hard to miss what you were personally involved in, but that's all I have to say. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 10:40, 27 October 2010 (EDT) | ||
| Line 469: | Line 467: | ||
==Best Ambigious== | ==Best Ambigious== | ||
{{Quote|The term "glassing" was originally coined by the Assembly in 2526, who chose it hoping it would galvanize humanity into action. At the time, the Assembly also estimated that it would take 30.3801 years for a Covenant fleet of comparable size to that of the UNSC's to glass the entirety of Earth. However, the Covenant fleet was later discovered to be many times larger than imagined, with the power of the Covenant's weaponry also underestimated.|this article.}} | {{Quote|The term "glassing" was originally coined by the Assembly in 2526, who chose it hoping it would galvanize humanity into action. At the time, the Assembly also estimated that it would take 30.3801 years for a Covenant fleet of comparable size to that of the UNSC's to glass the entirety of Earth. However, the Covenant fleet was later discovered to be many times larger than imagined, with the power of the Covenant's weaponry also underestimated.|this article.}} | ||
| Line 513: | Line 510: | ||
::No never, that's the way I work. I always try to integrate everything and try to make it as consistent as possible, without straying too far into speculation. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 21:45, 8 January 2011 (EST) | ::No never, that's the way I work. I always try to integrate everything and try to make it as consistent as possible, without straying too far into speculation. [[User talk:Durandal-217|Durandal-217]] 21:45, 8 January 2011 (EST) | ||
== Some calculations == | |||
While I'm aware that this is likely to open up a gigantic can of worms, Stardestroyer.net has [http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/BaseDeltaZero.html some fascinating calculations] on how much energy would be required to perform something similar to the boil-the-atmosphere, vaporise-the-oceans, slag-the-continents-style glassing we all love.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 10:42, 22 October 2011 (EDT) | |||