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Maybe... | Maybe... | ||
[[User:Sgt.johnson|'''<font color="Red">The Sarge</font>''']] | [[User:Sgt.johnson|'''<font color="Red">The Sarge</font>''']] File:Marine Corp 1stSgt.jpg|25px]]<sup>[[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Gold">Comm</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Sgt.johnson|<font color="Red">CSV</font>]]</sub> 03:15, 27 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
Well, it doesn't go very far into the future... and, it seems to imply a very low birth rate, which isn't consistent with the Halo canon description of "massive population surges" | Well, it doesn't go very far into the future... and, it seems to imply a very low birth rate, which isn't consistent with the Halo canon description of "massive population surges" | ||
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--[[User:CaptainZoidberg|CaptainZoidberg]] 02:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC) | --[[User:CaptainZoidberg|CaptainZoidberg]] 02:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
in reallity the population grow up about 1,67% each year but all calculator system i try wassnt able to give me the result[[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="LimeGreen">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="RoyalBlue">F</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color="Salmon">0</font>]] | in reallity the population grow up about 1,67% each year but all calculator system i try wassnt able to give me the result[[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="LimeGreen">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="RoyalBlue">F</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color="Salmon">0</font>]]UoH/A Company|<font color="Gold">0</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Chief frank 001|<font color="GreenYellow">1</font>]]</sup> 01:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Holy Crap I just finished a crapload of edits on this page. Well, I may as well explain myself. == | == Holy Crap I just finished a crapload of edits on this page. Well, I may as well explain myself. == | ||
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Wow. This page was missing a lot I must say. Ended up tweaking and flat out adding a lot of details concerning humanity's advancement as a species. For one thing, the scientific method alone cannot account for modern humanity's unprecedented growth rates. The 18th thru 20th Century, *not* just the 20th century alone, as initiated by the Industrial Revolution are benchmark eras behind our recent turning point as a species: with the advent of Constitution style democratic/republic societies securing the human rights necessary for us to utilize our fullest potentials. | Wow. This page was missing a lot I must say. Ended up tweaking and flat out adding a lot of details concerning humanity's advancement as a species. For one thing, the scientific method alone cannot account for modern humanity's unprecedented growth rates. The 18th thru 20th Century, *not* just the 20th century alone, as initiated by the Industrial Revolution are benchmark eras behind our recent turning point as a species: with the advent of Constitution style democratic/republic societies securing the human rights necessary for us to utilize our fullest potentials. | ||
Its the fact that nowadays we can produce veritable legions of talented minds AND efficiently back them up with the resources they need to do their job (thanks to Capitalism becoming the ever preferred economic system of the world, resulting in big-ass think tanks known as "Corporations"), as opposed to the old days when we might have had only one genius per century (whom we promptly executed for | Its the fact that nowadays we can produce veritable legions of talented minds AND efficiently back them up with the resources they need to do their job (thanks to Capitalism becoming the ever preferred economic system of the world, resulting in big-ass think tanks known as "Corporations"), as opposed to the old days when we might have had only one genius per century (whom we promptly executed for threatening our paranoid ideals). And originally all this article had to cite was the scientific method? I mean I know it helped but wait...That's it? That's when we became omgfast at improving our tech? Huh? | ||
Also, I have to say, I was really unimpressed by the population estimate. In the form I found it in it demonstrated a gross lack of understanding concerning population growth and generational demographics within developing nations. First of all, the historically record high population counts have less to do with perceived increases in "birth rates" and way ''way WAY''(!) more to do with '''*drastically*''' reduced death rates. You know, what with us not engaging in bloody combat that lasts for decades cause my monarch has some kind of emo love affair with your monarch and all. You know, what with us no longer getting pwn'd by no0b diseases, etc, etc. Additionally, many people have unheard of the typical demographic shifting of generations as a nation goes from "2nd World" to "1st World". While a societal demographic is still developing, its common from them to exhibit an explosion (note that explosions are known for being brief) of birth rates for the first generation or so of growth (a baby-boomer generation as its were), followed by abruptly reduced birth rates for the next generation after that demographic has brought itself up to full speed; birth rates that are generally even lower than what was happening before the baby boom hit. In other words, birth rates tend to be LOGARITHMIC across generations and are far from linear. Again, not that it matters because the real reason more people are on Earth today is because '''no one is dying the way they used to''', giving old people more time to plot neo-communist takeovers of the entire solar system. Ahem, had no choice but to make the population section reflect that. Hope no one minds. | Also, I have to say, I was really unimpressed by the population estimate. In the form I found it in it demonstrated a gross lack of understanding concerning population growth and generational demographics within developing nations. First of all, the historically record high population counts have less to do with perceived increases in "birth rates" and way ''way WAY''(!) more to do with '''*drastically*''' reduced death rates. You know, what with us not engaging in bloody combat that lasts for decades cause my monarch has some kind of emo love affair with your monarch and all. You know, what with us no longer getting pwn'd by no0b diseases, etc, etc. Additionally, many people have unheard of the typical demographic shifting of generations as a nation goes from "2nd World" to "1st World". While a societal demographic is still developing, its common from them to exhibit an explosion (note that explosions are known for being brief) of birth rates for the first generation or so of growth (a baby-boomer generation as its were), followed by abruptly reduced birth rates for the next generation after that demographic has brought itself up to full speed; birth rates that are generally even lower than what was happening before the baby boom hit. In other words, birth rates tend to be LOGARITHMIC across generations and are far from linear. Again, not that it matters because the real reason more people are on Earth today is because '''no one is dying the way they used to''', giving old people more time to plot neo-communist takeovers of the entire solar system. Ahem, had no choice but to make the population section reflect that. Hope no one minds. | ||
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And how exactly would humans that long ago make halo? I cant imagine cavemen making a giant space ring out of unknown materials, in outer space...an unkown distance away from earth, plus, other than the portal, there was no forerunner "relics" on earth. All of that plus, it contradicts already known information. So yes, that theory was, putting it softly, stupid.[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 07:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC) | And how exactly would humans that long ago make halo? I cant imagine cavemen making a giant space ring out of unknown materials, in outer space...an unkown distance away from earth, plus, other than the portal, there was no forerunner "relics" on earth. All of that plus, it contradicts already known information. So yes, that theory was, putting it softly, stupid.[[User talk:Papayaking|Papayaking]] 07:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
== | == Population == | ||
the | "It is likely that a policy like Chinas One-child policy was introduced to prevent such an huge overpopulation." | ||
is that | |||
Why was this sentence deleted? | |||
:Because it's just speculation and not an established fact. And speculation isn't allowed.--[[User talk:Jugus|Jugus]] 18:59, November 24, 2009 (UTC) | |||
Ok, but the the entire "Population" article is just speculation. | |||
Shouldnt you delete the whole section? | |||
:Every attempt has seen the section quickly returned, and an outbreak of consternation on the subject. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 00:41, November 25, 2009 (UTC) | |||
::I explained it to him on his talk page. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 00:52, November 25, 2009 (UTC) | |||
halsey journal page 7 39 billion sense she got the sample there at least 16-20 billion people that survive the war) | |||
:Huh. That...actually looks like a good figure! I thought it was a mistake at first, and was about to post a huge rant explaining how it could be higher than 20 billion because of selection protocols etc., but the logic turns out to be sound. For 150 candidates, Halsey would need a minimum of 39 billion records to select from. Taking away the 23 billion casualty estimate by Cortana, that would leave 16 billion. That may not take the devastation of Earth into account, but it's a ''lot'' higher than the 200 million estimate from bestiarum. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 17:55, 26 October 2010 (EDT) | |||
subtank tryed to do 200 million figure again make sure he does not do it agian beacuse an innocent guy got banned four mouths for it. {{Unsigned|204.169.64.37}} | |||
:Again, the Bestarium only list the population of one planet, Earth. It doesn't show the entire population of the humanity. Why is so hard to understand this?- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 13:34, 1 November 2010 (EDT) | |||
:FYI, if this "innocent guy" you're referring to is 71.195.10.41, this wasn't the only reason he got banned. He also kept removing legit content from articles, changing other established figures, even outright vandalism. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:37, 1 November 2010 (EDT) | |||
can you stop it halo encylapedia which was information taken after the war still lists earth as overcrowded and which means it's still in the billions can some one tell subtank nicely not to add the 200 million things once it is gotten rid of and it earth population is still listed in the billions on earth in halopedian so it right.{{Unsigned|204.169.64.37}} | |||
:The encyclopaedia indeed list Earth as overcrowded, but the cause of the overcrowding could very well be because of the refugees from other colony worlds. Hence, ''"With Earth devastated by the Covenant invasion, reducing the planet's own population to only 200 million, it is likely that the majority of the survivors are from the remaining UNSC colonies."'' | |||
:What you've not taken into consideration is the fact that the Bestiarum list Earth's population as being limited to only 200mil. Let me stress that again in a diagram: | |||
*Bestiarum lists Earth's population as 200mil during the Battle of Earth. | |||
*Encyclopaedia doesn't list Earth's population but merely mention it as being overcrowding in the 22nd century. The UN resolved this issue by colonising other planets in Sol System, which later expanded to Inner and Outer colonies. Nothing is mentioned afterwards. | |||
*Evolutions had Cortana mentioning the total population as 23bil, near the end of the HCW. | |||
*Halsey's Journal had the total population at an estimated 39bil before the HCW. | |||
;<big>Thus</big> | |||
* From this, we could infer that Earth's population indeed has reduced to 200mil during the Battle of Earth, as per Bestiarum. | |||
* Human population was at 39bil before the HCW, but reduced to approx. 16bil near the end of the HCW, as per Evolutions and Halsey's Journal | |||
* The Encyclopaedia didn't mention anything about the total population after the HCW. It only covers the population in 22nd century. | |||
;<big>Thus</big> | |||
* A conclusion could be constructed; Earth was once overcrowded by humans back in 22nd century, but that was sorted by colonising other colony worlds. The total population of humanity is between 16bil to 20bil. The Battle of Earth caused the Earth's actual population to 200mil. The Encyclopaedia didn't mention anything about the human population after the HCW. It remains unknown of the actual total human population. | |||
:If you could not understand the above diagram, then I would suggest speak to an Administrator to sort this problem out. Also, do not start an edit-war. I have supplied my reasoning behind my contributions and it is sound. I have not heard your counter-arguments or any sort of reasoning, other than ''"No U! Bestiarum is no longer canon, because new canon overrides old canon. Encyclopaedia is right!"''. Provide a reasoning first before making any change to the article. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:56, 2 November 2010 (EDT) | |||
::Just to add; the Encyclopedia clearly states that Earth's population is in the billions, and was not referring to the human race as a whole. While the Encyclopedia isn't the most trustworthy of sources itself, I have always found that the Bestarium's figure of 200 million to be a little unbelievable. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 18:47, 2 November 2010 (EDT) | |||
:::The question is when. When was Earth's population listed as being in billions? Additionally, did it ''specifically'' said so? If the population was before 2552, then it is indeed reasonable as the Battle of Earth has not occurred yet. If it were to be after 2552, then it may have retconned the Bestiarum. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 18:56, 2 November 2010 (EDT) | |||
::::The exact quote from page 282 reads; "Billions still live there despite the ongoing colonization of the stars." While the mention of ongoing colonization suggests that it is written from a pre-war perspective, it could just as easily be referring to the advancement of human civilization in general, or even the post-war colonization ''Halo: Reach'' has shown us. It's hard to tell, though I find the "200 million" figure, even post-war, to be odd. From what we know of the Battle of Earth, the Covenant weren't interested in killing humans as much as they were looking for Forerunner artifacts and uncovering the Portal, and most of the fighting too place in East Africa, less thick across the rest of the planet, with most battles in other locations far from civilian population centers anyway (under the ocean, Antarctica, ect). Thus I think that the "billions" figure would still be accurate after the attack on Earth. Might I even recall a quote by Joseph Staten in a ''Halo 3'' ViDoc; "millions of people have died", not billions. It's a stretch, but I thought that might be worth mentioning. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 10:22, 3 November 2010 (EDT) | |||
:::::I would agree that the supplied quote was written from a pre-war perspective, that is before the HCW. Page 282 goes on as to stating that Earth's population was cut in half <sup>''"the entire population of Earth was cut in half as the First Battle of Earth '''[sic recte Battle of Earth]''' began."''</sup>. It does not however specify whether it means half of Earth's population were killed, or if a significant number were evacuated, although the latter is more probable, as the Covenant did not commence planetary bombardment, and the statement is in regard of the situation at the beginning and not the end of the battle. If this were to be the case, the population that were left behind/stayed back on Earth would be in smaller unit of billions (to put things into perspective, let's assume that Earth population was 6bil, thus 3bil were evacuated while the other 3bil stayed behind). Again, we should also be aware that the Halo Encyclopedia is not the ''definitive'' source of all Halo information; it is most likely that words were thrown into the reference textbook to make the subjects more interesting. It is known to be self-contradictory. Perhaps the best way is to include both references and mention the discrepancies? | |||
:::::Oh, and I should note that it was Marcus Lehto. <sup>(''"The Covenant has absolutely destroyed parts of Earth. Millions of people have died."'')</sup> | |||
:::::I find the ''"200mil left"'' to be very reasonable... maybe it's just me. Regarding the Battle of Earth; the UNSC wouldn't have a hard time keeping the Covenant at bay if the alien empire was only interested in uncovering the Forerunner installation throughout the course of the event. To simply say the Covenant focused ''most'' of their time around East Africa to uncover the Forerunner installation from 20th October to 8th November is bizarre; I would assume that the Covenant, before the arrival of Truth and in between those dates, attacked every available population centres they could find to make sure the UNSC is occupied in saving the civilians. In other words, destabilise the civilian centres and make it problematic for the opposing military to handle, thus allowing the enforcer to continue their activities without major interruptions from the opposing military. This duration would give the Covenant some time to reduce Earth's population significantly. | |||
:::::I would also like to point out that the Bestiarum simply list Earth's population without any dates; so it is unknown if the population was archived by the Bestiarum during or after the war.- <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 12:41, 3 November 2010 (EDT) | |||
== connection to the forerunners == | |||
Personally i don't like the way it's worded. sure in the episode seeing how the forerunners have combat are which depicts them having similar body shape to ours. but towards the end after a forerunner put's it's armor away you can see the outline of it's face to see 2 "spikes" protruding on the side of the face. you can also see later "it" use a hand to lock the Armour away, showing it to be blue and look similar to cortana's hand due to the marks on it. | |||
in other words we look "exactly the same" when they have armor on. other than that 1 reference we know nothing of how they look and until we know more i think we should lay off sating such a "connection" as a fact.[[User talk:Grey101|grey]] 21:15, January 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Population... == | |||
On page 351 of Halo: Evolutions it says that "they will be left behind just the other twenty thre billion that preceded them were left behind." I know it sounds like a lot, but compared to how many people there will be in 500 years, it seems pretty small. Could it be military casualties or could have humanity suffered less then we thought? I think its an error on Robt Mclees part, but what do you guys think?--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 03:26, January 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
i also think it a small number perhaps they suffered less, perhaps more colonies survived the war, this number just seen weird. Future information will perhaps help us. [[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="LimeGreen">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="RoyalBlue">F</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color="Salmon">0</font>]]UoH/A Company|<font color="Gold">0</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Chief frank 001|<font color="GreenYellow">1</font>]]</sup> 05:03, January 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Btw how many colonies did the UNSC had and average population and vs how many where destroyed?--[[User:JacktheBlack|Chairman Jack the Black]]File:COGskull.jpg|20px 05:08, January 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::: 800 colonies and a population around 230 Billion. (The latter part is just speculation though).--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 15:22, January 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
SGT.T.N.Biscuit you mean 23 billions? [[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="LimeGreen">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="RoyalBlue">F</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color="Salmon">0</font>]]UoH/A Company|<font color="Gold">0</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Chief frank 001|<font color="GreenYellow">1</font>]]</sup> 03:02, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
: No, I mean 230 Billion. That's what you get if you calculate what the population would be in 2500. (Assuming it follows the same birth rate as now).--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 04:17, January 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Forerunner Section== | |||
I don't think the section is best presented as a bulleted list, and it should be converted to prose. Like with trivia sections, it invites disorganization. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 00:37, March 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== WTF is up with this? == | |||
From the first paragraph, "They were the second (after the Forerunners) sentient species to develop advanced methods of living on their home planet of [http://halopedian.com/Earth Earth]". The Forerunner's never settled on Earth. And shouldn't the population be listed in Pre-War and Post-War categories? The bestiary lists the human population at around 200 million. | |||
[[Special:Contributions/67.190.217.137|67.190.217.137]] 19:52, May 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Thel == | |||
Does anyone find it somewhat odd that Thel 'Vadam is in the Infobox Picture? | |||
-CFM | |||
Yeah, he's not human. He's Sangheilian. | |||
== what i just did == | |||
I just removed a part suggesting that the forerunners lived on earth so unless you believe that good day. [[User talk:Voro nar mantree|Voro nar mantree]] 03:00, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Belief doesn't come into it. There is no confirmation of it as fact, therefore it doesn't belong there - I concur with the edit. Don't always assume that we're going to be hostile to any edit - we're really not that bad! :D -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 09:45, September 4, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== In light of Cryptum's revelations == | |||
So it turns out that humanity was interstellar hundreds of thousands of years ago until we got into a war with the Forerunners, who won and devolved us before exiling us to Earth. The ruins on The Babysitter's planet in Halo Legends are ruins from that time period. | |||
This article looks like it will have need major re-working, as will articles about Earth, the Forerunners, Precursors, etc. Should it be done now in light of the preview or should it wait until the full book is released? {{Unsigned|92.41.141.182}} | |||
:There's not really that much that needs updating. What we know that's new is that the precursors sped up human and forerunner evolution and changed their DNA into a similar make-up. The Librarian was known to be capable of programming instincts into humans under her guardianship. Suffice to say that the precursors may have used the same technology millenia earlier to program the two species into rapid development. After the two species met, they clashed and humanity was forced to re-start from scratch (though the Librarian kept them somewhat civilised for a time). As the galaxy began dying due to the flood pandemic, the forerunners seem to have chosen their familiars as the successors of their mantle.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:51, 23 December 2010 (EST) | |||
::We might as well start with what we have now, from the two preview chapters. Why not? There's no embargo on them, here or elsewhere. I imagine further additions when the book comes out in two weeks, so is it worth starting now only to go back over it later? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 15:58, 23 December 2010 (EST) | |||
== Page protection? == | |||
Now, I've no idea why, but recent weeks seem to have seen a great deal of edits and counter-edits by anons and admins over the population section. Does this warrant protection of the page?--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 13:56, 18 February 2011 (EST) | |||
:It's the same retard. I banned him for like 2.5 years on the old Halopedia; since we moved over here that was rendered ineffective and he shows up again. This time he's gone for four years. No need to protect the page. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:Gray; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 16:18, 18 February 2011 (EST) | |||
==Real Pic== | |||
Can we use a real human picture for the main picture? [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 12:11, 20 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Capitalisation == | |||
To retain consistency with our other species articles ([[Unggoy]], [[Sangheili]], etc.), I suggest we always capitalise the word "Human" when editing.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 14:31, 22 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I've considered this, but I think it would be at odds with our article titling policy, which is based on using spellings found in canon. The word is not capitalized in any of the books, so I think it would be contradictory for us to start doing so. I'm aware that Wookieepedia capitalizes it, but I don't like the idea of using a spelling which is essentially fanon, not to mention grammatically incorrect. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 14:51, 22 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
::While I surely do respect the fact that the lowercase variation is used both in real life and in canon sources, it seems odd that in a science fiction setting as our own, that an individual species uses such standard. I'm a bit partial on this debate, but I would like to see it used in a capitalized manner (and not just because I use it as such in my fan fiction). {{User:CommanderTony/Sig|June 22nd, 2011}} | |||
I agree with Jugus [[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]] 15:22, 22 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:I do like the idea of consistency among names, but, like Jugus said, "human" is never capitalized in any canon source. The English major within me cringes at the idea of capitalizing "human". I've always been annoyed by ''Wookieepedia'''s insistence on doing so. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 15:37, 22 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:In response to the consistency argument, it's extremely common in sci-fi that alien species names are treated as proper nouns while "human" isn't (''Mass Effect'' is a rare exception). I think it's the best to defer to canon in matters like this, especially when there's no conflict between different spellings in official sources. Besides, I don't see why such consistency is necessary here if the people behind the fiction feel no need for it. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 15:46, 22 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
I was just about to refer to Mass Effect (beat me to it). | |||
{{support}} I think it would be a good decision to handle matters like they handle capitalization in Mass Effect, as it would be grammatically correct, and well... grammatically correct. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 08:47, 23 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
*Thanks for notifying me for this, I will change the names when I get back home (at school right now). It will be flooded with those edits in ~2-3 hours. :-P <br/>'''''' '''[[User:Wilc0|<span style="color:green">Wilc0</span>]] <sup>[[Unggoy|When in doubt, flee.]] </sup>File:NL flag.jpg|20px]]''' ''[[User talk:Wilc0|<span style="color:blue">(Talk page)</span>]]'' 09:22, 23 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
:Actually, Jugus said that we should ''avoid'' capitalizing "human". It is never capitalized in canon, so we don't need to capitalize it, either. --[[User talk:Braidenvl|Courage never dies.]] 13:06, 23 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
I honestly think it's sad as us being being Humans refuse to capitalize the word Human. [[User:Halofan1234|"A Penny saved is a Penny earned"]] 13:08, 23 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
Humans designed English under the assumption that we are all there is. "Human" is just a word like "person" or "ape". Humans are not considered a specific people like Americans or British, so we don't capitalize the word. In a science-fiction universe, multiple species are their own peoples and so are capitalized. I believe the word "human" is excepted because it already is a part of English with its recognized grammatical traits. Sometimes this changes for the alien perspective, but as "human" is the predominant spelling and the spelling used by those who have the authority to know (we wouldn't reference Jacob Keyes as Keezz), that is what should be our standard. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#800080">Dragon<font color="#3B3F42">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#DE397E">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 15:53, 23 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Hyperforce == | |||
Why is hyperforce relevant enough to merge into this general article on humanity? I'd rather leave them as separate articles. Perhaps create a general page for Sports, with things like hyperforce, basketball, gravball, merged into that? In my dream, I am the star. Its me. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 16:45, 23 July 2011 (EDT) | |||
Population I beleive that the total humans killed was 30 billion(23 by 2552 and billions more during the covenant invasion of earth) and the overall surviving may well be over 10 billion combining all the earths and all of the remaining colonies | |||
== picture == | |||
I think the picture for humans should be replaced with a "cartoonish" picture like the others on the site. If this were a description of real world humans it is fine, but this is in-story so it should look like other pictures for in-story topics.[[User:Sallan|Sallan]] ([[User talk:Sallan|talk]]) 16:33, 3 September 2014 (EDT)-Sallan | |||
:Well, the current image actually is in-universe, as it is from the live-action film ''[[Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn]]''. So no, it will not be changed anytime soon. Plus, it is a nice image.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 16:45, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
::It is nice. Images from Reach were previously used like an army soldier and a pair of civilians. They were alright, but I think the current one is the best. It captures human variation and simultaneously conveys the influence of a future militarized government. [[User:Lord Susto|<span style="color:red">Lord Susto</span>]] 18:09, 3 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
:::I agree it works very well. It conveys that military aspect but doesn't have people toting guns or anything. Plus as Spartacus said it's in-universe so I don't see the problem. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:04, 4 September 2014 (EDT) | |||
== When and where did (modern) humanity first encounter Forerunner artifacts? == | |||
It seems like an incredibly important discovery finding Forerunner tech, and yet I can't find where exactly humanity first discovered Forerunner tech (or more accurately, "rediscovered"). Slipspace travel was invented in 2291, the first colony ships were unveiled in 2310, and the first wave of extra-solar colonization efforts was in 2362. At the earliest, humanity could have discovered Forerunner artifacts on extra-solar worlds as early as the 2310s. The [[Menachite portal complex]] on Reach could have been discovered relatively early on since titanium mining was a major aspect of Reach's colonization, so not long after 2362. Arcadia, which had exposed Forerunner structures in close proximity to human settlements, was colonized in 2429. This would be the upper bound for Forerunner discovery, and also the point by which the general human population would have been aware of the existence of alien civilizations.--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 17:50, 28 February 2016 (EST) | |||
== Should this section be removed? == | |||
Modern humanity, Homo sapiens, is believed to have appeared in Earth's fossil record between approximately 100,000 and 200,000 years ago (an older branch of Homo sapiens known as Homo sapiens idaltu was believed to have lived as far back as 160,000 BCE). While the exact origin of humanity is a hotly contested paleontological debate, one theory is that the first humans evolved from a genus of upright ape-like hominids called Australopithecus (likely Australopithecus afarensis). | |||
Homo sapiens is not the only species of human to have evolved on Earth, but they have either displaced or outlasted all other branches of the genus Homo, all species of which were once collectively known as "humanity". In prehistoric times, there was significant contact between anatomically modern humans and other members of the genus, both cultural and genetic, coexisting with species such as Homo erectus, neanderthalensis and floresiensis, and, based on residual genetic evidence, interbreeding with other species (1-4% of the DNA in European and East Asian humans is Neanderthal, while Melanesian people have 4% of Denisovan blood). | |||
This section seems out of place with the rest of the article so should it be removed? I mean it's based on real-world human speculation about humanity's origin and evolution which pretty much went out the window in the Forerunner Saga.[[User:The Divine One|The Divine One]] ([[User talk:The Divine One|talk]]) 22:26, 11 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
:I think the section makes it sufficiently clear it's the modern human scientific perspective rather than being necessarily "objectively" true in the ''Halo'' universe. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 08:58, 19 July 2017 (EDT) | |||
== hiroshima == | |||
there is a typo, it says hirshima instead of Hiroshima {{Unsigned|80.27.95.220}} | |||
:Fixed! Thanks for pointing it out {{User:Dab1001/Sig2}} 07:46, September 28, 2020 (EDT) | |||