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halsey journal page 7 39 billion sense she got the sample there at least 16-20 billion people that survive the war) | halsey journal page 7 39 billion sense she got the sample there at least 16-20 billion people that survive the war) | ||
:Huh. That...actually looks like a good figure! I thought it was a mistake at first, and was about to post a huge rant explaining how it could be higher than 20 billion because of selection protocols etc., but the logic turns out to be sound. For 150 candidates, Halsey would need a minimum of 39 billion records to select from. Taking away the 23 billion casualty estimate by Cortana, that would leave 16 billion. That may not take the devastation of Earth into account, but it's a ''lot'' higher than the 200 million estimate from bestiarum. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :Huh. That...actually looks like a good figure! I thought it was a mistake at first, and was about to post a huge rant explaining how it could be higher than 20 billion because of selection protocols etc., but the logic turns out to be sound. For 150 candidates, Halsey would need a minimum of 39 billion records to select from. Taking away the 23 billion casualty estimate by Cortana, that would leave 16 billion. That may not take the devastation of Earth into account, but it's a ''lot'' higher than the 200 million estimate from bestiarum. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 17:55, 26 October 2010 (EDT) | ||
subtank tryed to do 200 million figure again make sure he does not do it agian beacuse an innocent guy got banned four mouths for it. {{Unsigned|204.169.64.37}} | subtank tryed to do 200 million figure again make sure he does not do it agian beacuse an innocent guy got banned four mouths for it. {{Unsigned|204.169.64.37}} | ||
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:If you could not understand the above diagram, then I would suggest speak to an Administrator to sort this problem out. Also, do not start an edit-war. I have supplied my reasoning behind my contributions and it is sound. I have not heard your counter-arguments or any sort of reasoning, other than ''"No U! Bestiarum is no longer canon, because new canon overrides old canon. Encyclopaedia is right!"''. Provide a reasoning first before making any change to the article. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:56, 2 November 2010 (EDT) | :If you could not understand the above diagram, then I would suggest speak to an Administrator to sort this problem out. Also, do not start an edit-war. I have supplied my reasoning behind my contributions and it is sound. I have not heard your counter-arguments or any sort of reasoning, other than ''"No U! Bestiarum is no longer canon, because new canon overrides old canon. Encyclopaedia is right!"''. Provide a reasoning first before making any change to the article. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:56, 2 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
::Just to add; the Encyclopedia clearly states that Earth's population is in the billions, and was not referring to the human race as a whole. While the Encyclopedia isn't the most trustworthy of sources itself, I have always found that the Bestarium's figure of 200 million to be a little unbelievable. - | ::Just to add; the Encyclopedia clearly states that Earth's population is in the billions, and was not referring to the human race as a whole. While the Encyclopedia isn't the most trustworthy of sources itself, I have always found that the Bestarium's figure of 200 million to be a little unbelievable. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 18:47, 2 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
:::The question is when. When was Earth's population listed as being in billions? Additionally, did it ''specifically'' said so? If the population was before 2552, then it is indeed reasonable as the Battle of Earth has not occurred yet. If it were to be after 2552, then it may have retconned the Bestiarum. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 18:56, 2 November 2010 (EDT) | :::The question is when. When was Earth's population listed as being in billions? Additionally, did it ''specifically'' said so? If the population was before 2552, then it is indeed reasonable as the Battle of Earth has not occurred yet. If it were to be after 2552, then it may have retconned the Bestiarum. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 18:56, 2 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
::::The exact quote from page 282 reads; "Billions still live there despite the ongoing colonization of the stars." While the mention of ongoing colonization suggests that it is written from a pre-war perspective, it could just as easily be referring to the advancement of human civilization in general, or even the post-war colonization ''Halo: Reach'' has shown us. It's hard to tell, though I find the "200 million" figure, even post-war, to be odd. From what we know of the Battle of Earth, the Covenant weren't interested in killing humans as much as they were looking for Forerunner artifacts and uncovering the Portal, and most of the fighting too place in East Africa, less thick across the rest of the planet, with most battles in other locations far from civilian population centers anyway (under the ocean, Antarctica, ect). Thus I think that the "billions" figure would still be accurate after the attack on Earth. Might I even recall a quote by Joseph Staten in a ''Halo 3'' ViDoc; "millions of people have died", not billions. It's a stretch, but I thought that might be worth mentioning. - | ::::The exact quote from page 282 reads; "Billions still live there despite the ongoing colonization of the stars." While the mention of ongoing colonization suggests that it is written from a pre-war perspective, it could just as easily be referring to the advancement of human civilization in general, or even the post-war colonization ''Halo: Reach'' has shown us. It's hard to tell, though I find the "200 million" figure, even post-war, to be odd. From what we know of the Battle of Earth, the Covenant weren't interested in killing humans as much as they were looking for Forerunner artifacts and uncovering the Portal, and most of the fighting too place in East Africa, less thick across the rest of the planet, with most battles in other locations far from civilian population centers anyway (under the ocean, Antarctica, ect). Thus I think that the "billions" figure would still be accurate after the attack on Earth. Might I even recall a quote by Joseph Staten in a ''Halo 3'' ViDoc; "millions of people have died", not billions. It's a stretch, but I thought that might be worth mentioning. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="green">('''Talk''')</font>]] 10:22, 3 November 2010 (EDT) | ||
:::::I would agree that the supplied quote was written from a pre-war perspective, that is before the HCW. Page 282 goes on as to stating that Earth's population was cut in half <sup>''"the entire population of Earth was cut in half as the First Battle of Earth '''[sic recte Battle of Earth]''' began."''</sup>. It does not however specify whether it means half of Earth's population were killed, or if a significant number were evacuated, although the latter is more probable, as the Covenant did not commence planetary bombardment, and the statement is in regard of the situation at the beginning and not the end of the battle. If this were to be the case, the population that were left behind/stayed back on Earth would be in smaller unit of billions (to put things into perspective, let's assume that Earth population was 6bil, thus 3bil were evacuated while the other 3bil stayed behind). Again, we should also be aware that the Halo Encyclopedia is not the ''definitive'' source of all Halo information; it is most likely that words were thrown into the reference textbook to make the subjects more interesting. It is known to be self-contradictory. Perhaps the best way is to include both references and mention the discrepancies? | :::::I would agree that the supplied quote was written from a pre-war perspective, that is before the HCW. Page 282 goes on as to stating that Earth's population was cut in half <sup>''"the entire population of Earth was cut in half as the First Battle of Earth '''[sic recte Battle of Earth]''' began."''</sup>. It does not however specify whether it means half of Earth's population were killed, or if a significant number were evacuated, although the latter is more probable, as the Covenant did not commence planetary bombardment, and the statement is in regard of the situation at the beginning and not the end of the battle. If this were to be the case, the population that were left behind/stayed back on Earth would be in smaller unit of billions (to put things into perspective, let's assume that Earth population was 6bil, thus 3bil were evacuated while the other 3bil stayed behind). Again, we should also be aware that the Halo Encyclopedia is not the ''definitive'' source of all Halo information; it is most likely that words were thrown into the reference textbook to make the subjects more interesting. It is known to be self-contradictory. Perhaps the best way is to include both references and mention the discrepancies? | ||
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I just removed a part suggesting that the forerunners lived on earth so unless you believe that good day. [[User talk:Voro nar mantree|Voro nar mantree]] 03:00, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | I just removed a part suggesting that the forerunners lived on earth so unless you believe that good day. [[User talk:Voro nar mantree|Voro nar mantree]] 03:00, September 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Belief doesn't come into it. There is no confirmation of it as fact, therefore it doesn't belong there - I concur with the edit. Don't always assume that we're going to be hostile to any edit - we're really not that bad! :D -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | :Belief doesn't come into it. There is no confirmation of it as fact, therefore it doesn't belong there - I concur with the edit. Don't always assume that we're going to be hostile to any edit - we're really not that bad! :D -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 09:45, September 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== In light of Cryptum's revelations == | == In light of Cryptum's revelations == | ||
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:There's not really that much that needs updating. What we know that's new is that the precursors sped up human and forerunner evolution and changed their DNA into a similar make-up. The Librarian was known to be capable of programming instincts into humans under her guardianship. Suffice to say that the precursors may have used the same technology millenia earlier to program the two species into rapid development. After the two species met, they clashed and humanity was forced to re-start from scratch (though the Librarian kept them somewhat civilised for a time). As the galaxy began dying due to the flood pandemic, the forerunners seem to have chosen their familiars as the successors of their mantle.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:51, 23 December 2010 (EST) | :There's not really that much that needs updating. What we know that's new is that the precursors sped up human and forerunner evolution and changed their DNA into a similar make-up. The Librarian was known to be capable of programming instincts into humans under her guardianship. Suffice to say that the precursors may have used the same technology millenia earlier to program the two species into rapid development. After the two species met, they clashed and humanity was forced to re-start from scratch (though the Librarian kept them somewhat civilised for a time). As the galaxy began dying due to the flood pandemic, the forerunners seem to have chosen their familiars as the successors of their mantle.-- [[User talk:Forerunner|Forerunner]] 15:51, 23 December 2010 (EST) | ||
::We might as well start with what we have now, from the two preview chapters. Why not? There's no embargo on them, here or elsewhere. I imagine further additions when the book comes out in two weeks, so is it worth starting now only to go back over it later? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | ::We might as well start with what we have now, from the two preview chapters. Why not? There's no embargo on them, here or elsewhere. I imagine further additions when the book comes out in two weeks, so is it worth starting now only to go back over it later? -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 15:58, 23 December 2010 (EST) | ||
== Page protection? == | == Page protection? == | ||
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== Hyperforce == | == Hyperforce == | ||
Why is hyperforce relevant enough to merge into this general article on humanity? I'd rather leave them as separate articles. Perhaps create a general page for Sports, with things like hyperforce, basketball, gravball, merged into that? In my dream, I am the star. Its me. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[ | Why is hyperforce relevant enough to merge into this general article on humanity? I'd rather leave them as separate articles. Perhaps create a general page for Sports, with things like hyperforce, basketball, gravball, merged into that? In my dream, I am the star. Its me. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 16:45, 23 July 2011 (EDT) | ||
Population I beleive that the total humans killed was 30 billion(23 by 2552 and billions more during the covenant invasion of earth) and the overall surviving may well be over 10 billion combining all the earths and all of the remaining colonies | Population I beleive that the total humans killed was 30 billion(23 by 2552 and billions more during the covenant invasion of earth) and the overall surviving may well be over 10 billion combining all the earths and all of the remaining colonies | ||
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== When and where did (modern) humanity first encounter Forerunner artifacts? == | == When and where did (modern) humanity first encounter Forerunner artifacts? == | ||
It seems like an incredibly important discovery finding Forerunner tech, and yet I can't find where exactly humanity first discovered Forerunner tech (or more accurately, "rediscovered"). Slipspace travel was invented in 2291, the first colony ships were unveiled in 2310, and the first wave of extra-solar colonization efforts was in 2362. At the earliest, humanity could have discovered Forerunner artifacts on extra-solar worlds as early as the 2310s. The [[Menachite | It seems like an incredibly important discovery finding Forerunner tech, and yet I can't find where exactly humanity first discovered Forerunner tech (or more accurately, "rediscovered"). Slipspace travel was invented in 2291, the first colony ships were unveiled in 2310, and the first wave of extra-solar colonization efforts was in 2362. At the earliest, humanity could have discovered Forerunner artifacts on extra-solar worlds as early as the 2310s. The [[Menachite portal complex]] on Reach could have been discovered relatively early on since titanium mining was a major aspect of Reach's colonization, so not long after 2362. Arcadia, which had exposed Forerunner structures in close proximity to human settlements, was colonized in 2429. This would be the upper bound for Forerunner discovery, and also the point by which the general human population would have been aware of the existence of alien civilizations.--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 17:50, 28 February 2016 (EST) | ||
== Should this section be removed? == | == Should this section be removed? == | ||
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:I think the section makes it sufficiently clear it's the modern human scientific perspective rather than being necessarily "objectively" true in the ''Halo'' universe. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 08:58, 19 July 2017 (EDT) | :I think the section makes it sufficiently clear it's the modern human scientific perspective rather than being necessarily "objectively" true in the ''Halo'' universe. --[[User:Jugus|Jugus]] ([[User talk:Jugus|talk]]) 08:58, 19 July 2017 (EDT) | ||
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there is a typo, it says hirshima instead of Hiroshima {{Unsigned|80.27.95.220}} | |||
:Fixed! Thanks for pointing it out {{User:Dab1001/Sig2}} 07:46, September 28, 2020 (EDT) | |||