Forum:Bringing Back the Usergroups: Difference between revisions

 

In conjunction with the [[Halopedia:Manual of Style|MOS]], the usergroups could make great progress on Halopedia, and bring it back up to its former glory. Remember Halopedians, this is your decision, for without you, usergroups are nothing.

#{{Support}} [[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="LimeGreen">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="RoyalBlue">F</font>]]^{[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color="Salmon">0</font>]][[Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/A Company|<font color="Gold">0</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Chief frank 001|<font color="GreenYellow">1</font>]]} 02:24, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

#{{Neutral}} - I'm staying out of this one for now. Both sides make good points.--[[File:Emblem 1.jpg|20px]][[User:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' Rusty '''</span>]][[User talk:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:red;">''' - '''</span>]][[UserWiki:Rusty-112|<span style="background:blue; font-family:Arial;font-size:12pt;color:white;">''' 112 '''</span>]] 19:46, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

#{{Oppose}} - Users should edit pages that need to be edited, not pages they ''feel'' they should edit. I supported the disbanding of the Usergroups for this exact reason. I never really saw a point to them. '''[[w:c:halo:Special:Editcount/Devout_Atheist|Colonel]]''' ''[[w:c:halo:User:Devout_Atheist|DA]]'', '''''[[w:c:halo:Administrator|<font color="green">Halopedian Administrator</font>]]''''' 01:15, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

#{{Oppose}} - As I may have mentioned before, usergroups are ''not'' the only way to help improve articles. As it may be, usergroups are also not the ideal solution, at least for this wiki. The general problem in having a usergroup is the difficulty of maintaining it. I know the feeling because I was once a group leader myself; and trust me, the idea isn't as easy and "cool" as it looked. The problem with our usergroups, as CT said, is the lack of interest. Along with that comes another issue: the '''lack of "permanent residents" to our wiki'''. Yes, by this, I mean editors who stay here to edit for more than just a while. That number has been decreasing a lot recently, notably for me, since the end of last summer (IIRC). Some have left, while others are not as active as they used to be. We have others taking their place, but the number of such editors is still not as it used to be. Most of our editors are users who may stay for some time, make good/bad edits and then leave. Its a cycle, one that's always been happening, and is what makes up at least half of the wiki's activity if not more (and that's not an exaggeration). The problem with this is that you can't make up a usergroup with hit-and-run users. You need a sufficient number of long-term editors, and for 4 individual usergroups, its not easy. Editors can be Lone Wolves, or work with their colleagues as a team. You don't require a usergroup for that. This is what happens in other wikis that may have less activity than us, but are several times bigger (I'd use the [http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/EverQuest_2_Wiki:Main_Page Ever Quest 2] wiki as an example). That's why you don't tend to see usergroups or something similar to that on such wikis. Their editors know how, what and when to edit. We need to carry out the same. We have articles that we need to improve for the next [[Halopedia:Featured Article|FA]]; usergroups are not going to help if there's a lack of interest or editors. For all these reasons I've stated, I feel what the others opposing above me feel: that they will eventually have the same fate. To sum all this up, we're a wiki. You can add, remove or replace a factor, but you're always going to have problems, because you can't totally control what's going on. You have another 200 to or users who also have free access to editing, so the contents are always changing. You can only do your bit of editing to make improvements of your own, but a usergroup isn't going to exercise much difference in control. - [[File:Major.png|20px]] [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] ^{<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span>} 06:48, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

:But I mean, why don't you just edit the pages the ''entire Halopedia community'' deems necessary to edit? Like the articles marked as ''stubs'' or ''cleanup''. '''[[w:c:halo:Special:Editcount/Devout_Atheist|Colonel]]''' ''[[w:c:halo:User:Devout_Atheist|DA]]'', '''''[[w:c:halo:Administrator|<font color="green">Halopedian Administrator</font>]]''''' 03:18, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

:::Won't Halopedia go to shit if we spend our time arguing about Usergroups and focusing on our ranks in each group, instead of just editing the damn pages? No need to pardon my language. '''[[w:c:halo:Special:Editcount/Devout_Atheist|Colonel]]''' ''[[w:c:halo:User:Devout_Atheist|DA]]'', '''''[[w:c:halo:Administrator|<font color="green">Halopedian Administrator</font>]]''''' 03:39, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

:::::Kouger, I'm not trying to be mean. We had some great times on XBL, you're a great editor, and honestly I would like nothing better but to be in the GOH with you as well. But in the big picture, there's no point for it, and Halopedia editors need to focus on, well, ''editing''. The one thig I remember is high ranking users' boards being flooded with complaints about not being promoted in a certain Usergroup. A lot of time was also focused on the elections. Time that could have been spent ''editing articles''. We already have a rank system, and in my opinion it works fine, we don't need another to keep track of and consume our editing time. It's nothing personal. I myself haven't really been a good example, editing at random intervals. But imagine if I was busy worrying about my rank in the UoH, how many less edits I would put out. I hope this doesn't effect our relationship. ;) '''[[w:c:halo:Special:Editcount/Devout_Atheist|Colonel]]''' ''[[w:c:halo:User:Devout_Atheist|DA]]'', '''''[[w:c:halo:Administrator|<font color="green">Halopedian Administrator</font>]]''''' 03:49, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

::::::::Well, I felt I sounded kind of like an asshole in my explanation, thus my apology. =P And when I first joined, the first thing I did was apply to a Usergroup, I believe the GoH. And you know what happened? They never got back to me. >:( I feel people will do just fine without Usergroups (I did, it took me a while to get the hang of it, but I ended up ejoying editing articles), I honestly don't want editors whose only focus is to rank up in a user-created system. I want editors who edit for the sake of editing. '''[[w:c:halo:Special:Editcount/Devout_Atheist|Colonel]]''' ''[[w:c:halo:User:Devout_Atheist|DA]]'', '''''[[w:c:halo:Administrator|<font color="green">Halopedian Administrator</font>]]''''' 04:12, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::Wouldn't it be easier if an individual just focused on editing the pages they wanted to edit in that case? What if I wanted to only improve articles that have the letters ''D'' and ''A'' in the title, should I make a Usergroup for it? '''[[w:c:halo:Special:Editcount/Devout_Atheist|Colonel]]''' ''[[w:c:halo:User:Devout_Atheist|DA]]'', '''''[[w:c:halo:Administrator|<font color="green">Halopedian Administrator</font>]]''''' 04:19, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

::::::::::::I like to think the whole Halopedia community works as one big team. I remember when I started I got plenty of tips on how to edit (most of them in the form of ''What the hell are you doing, idiot? No one edits a page 56 times!''). I still do get updated if the article format gets changed, or if one of the other users wants to stop by and say ''urdoinitrong''.  I don't mind constructive criticism, it makes me a better editor, and helps me find the smartasses that make my banhammer finger twitchy. But in all due seriousness, I'm done with this convo, and Kouger brings up a good point: '''Fear the Banhammer. It's always there. And it's waiting.''' Night! '''[[w:c:halo:Special:Editcount/Devout_Atheist|Colonel]]''' ''[[w:c:halo:User:Devout_Atheist|DA]]'', '''''[[w:c:halo:Administrator|<font color="green">Halopedian Administrator</font>]]''''' 04:31, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

:I'm with Jugus on this one. In my opinion, a link in the sitenotice to something like a notice board would suffice. - [[File:Major.png|20px]] [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] ^{<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span>} 16:36, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

:I am saying is that the whole of [[Halopedia]] should work together and I kinda think that the usergroups sort of seperate most of Halopedia but if the usergroups do come back then they should all work together. --{{User:Cally99117/Sig|08:21|June 26|2010}}