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So the ''Halo'' panel at Comic-Con is going on right now. [https://twitter.com/bluexy This guy] is announcing all the ''Nightfall'' news on Twitter. According to the Twitter user, people in the series will die off and it will focus on Locke and a elite squad on an abandoned outer colony and a fragment of Installation 04. There is also a new Pelican type, similar to the ''[[Tart-Cart]]''. Locke is apparently going to be a playable character in ''Guardians'' as well. The series looks promising, but it is unfortunate that it will have about the same budget as ''Forward Unto Dawn''. Still, I have high hopes. | So the ''Halo'' panel at Comic-Con is going on right now. [https://twitter.com/bluexy This guy] is announcing all the ''Nightfall'' news on Twitter. According to the Twitter user, people in the series will die off and it will focus on Locke and a elite squad on an abandoned outer colony and a fragment of Installation 04. There is also a new Pelican type, similar to the ''[[Tart-Cart]]''. Locke is apparently going to be a playable character in ''Guardians'' as well. The series looks promising, but it is unfortunate that it will have about the same budget as ''Forward Unto Dawn''. Still, I have high hopes. | ||
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:Having not seen Nightfall yet (don't have an Xbox One) do we know that the augmentations ''were'' removed? He doesn't have the powered armour anymore, so he would be noticably less capable than someone like the Master Chief, but still capable of extreme feats of strength and reaction time. Does it outright say he's had that stuff removed, or just that he hasn't been using it? If it ''was'' removed, I would raise an eyebrow in consternation, but it's not unprecedented. Ralph<s>3</s>103 seemed to have had his augmentations removed. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:43, 16 November 2014 (EST) | :Having not seen Nightfall yet (don't have an Xbox One) do we know that the augmentations ''were'' removed? He doesn't have the powered armour anymore, so he would be noticably less capable than someone like the Master Chief, but still capable of extreme feats of strength and reaction time. Does it outright say he's had that stuff removed, or just that he hasn't been using it? If it ''was'' removed, I would raise an eyebrow in consternation, but it's not unprecedented. Ralph<s>3</s>103 seemed to have had his augmentations removed. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 04:43, 16 November 2014 (EST) | ||
::His waypoint article confirms his augmentations were removed. How though is a good question.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span> | ::His waypoint article confirms his augmentations were removed. How though is a good question.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 04:45, 16 November 2014 (EST) | ||
:::Ah. Well, that clears that up. The human body is constantly replacing cells, so it might be they're justifying it as a case of the body simply returing to its original, unaugmented state over time. Ten years is (I think) long enough to replace every cell in an adult human body, so that might be the explanation. I would still think it's eyebrow-raise worthy, but it sounds like the kind of explanation we would get. Of course, by extension it would mean that Spartans need more than just technical maintenance for their armour - they'd need medical maintenance as well, which would be appropriate for cyborgs I suppose. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:20, 16 November 2014 (EST) | :::Ah. Well, that clears that up. The human body is constantly replacing cells, so it might be they're justifying it as a case of the body simply returing to its original, unaugmented state over time. Ten years is (I think) long enough to replace every cell in an adult human body, so that might be the explanation. I would still think it's eyebrow-raise worthy, but it sounds like the kind of explanation we would get. Of course, by extension it would mean that Spartans need more than just technical maintenance for their armour - they'd need medical maintenance as well, which would be appropriate for cyborgs I suppose. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 05:20, 16 November 2014 (EST) | ||
::::[https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/randall-aiken ''"(Aiken) eventually negotiated a deal where ONI reversed many of his augmentations (in what would be an excruciating process) in return for his release from service to the UNSC."''] Sounds like there was more going on than the body's natural processes. Also, I don't have an Xbone either. Didn't stop me from seeing Nightfall though. ;) --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:51, 16 November 2014 (EST) | ::::[https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/characters/randall-aiken ''"(Aiken) eventually negotiated a deal where ONI reversed many of his augmentations (in what would be an excruciating process) in return for his release from service to the UNSC."''] Sounds like there was more going on than the body's natural processes. Also, I don't have an Xbone either. Didn't stop me from seeing Nightfall though. ;) --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:51, 16 November 2014 (EST) | ||
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So, any guesses as to who'll make it and who won't? As for myself, I think this is shaping up to be an "everyone dies" story. Well, everyone but Locke. This scars him mentally somewhat and makes him more ruthless, someone whose motivations and allegiances are genuinely questionable when he appears in ''Halo 5'' (up until now he's mostly been a rather nice guy). Randall will go out with a heroic sacrifice worthy of a Spartan while Macer will say something character-developing and potentially foreshadowing before dying in Locke's arms. The deaths of everyone else, including the ONI team members, are pretty much a given (I bet Ramos will be the first one to go). In the end Locke escapes Alpha Shard in a callback to the ending of ''Combat Evolved'' (or "The Maw Lite"). The last we see of him is a slightly ominous epilogue where he receives his S-IV augmentations, looking all surly and menacing (or just steps into the surgical theater/cue credits). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:48, 20 November 2014 (EST) | So, any guesses as to who'll make it and who won't? As for myself, I think this is shaping up to be an "everyone dies" story. Well, everyone but Locke. This scars him mentally somewhat and makes him more ruthless, someone whose motivations and allegiances are genuinely questionable when he appears in ''Halo 5'' (up until now he's mostly been a rather nice guy). Randall will go out with a heroic sacrifice worthy of a Spartan while Macer will say something character-developing and potentially foreshadowing before dying in Locke's arms. The deaths of everyone else, including the ONI team members, are pretty much a given (I bet Ramos will be the first one to go). In the end Locke escapes Alpha Shard in a callback to the ending of ''Combat Evolved'' (or "The Maw Lite"). The last we see of him is a slightly ominous epilogue where he receives his S-IV augmentations, looking all surly and menacing (or just steps into the surgical theater/cue credits). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 10:48, 20 November 2014 (EST) | ||
:The credits reveal that 'A' Camera was assigned to shoot Spartan footage; 'B' Cam shot the Lekgolo scene(s). I image we'll see Locke as a Spartan in the last episode. Maybe we'll even see Randall in a flashback to Vodin or something of the sort. I totally agree with your death/ending predictions. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span> | :The credits reveal that 'A' Camera was assigned to shoot Spartan footage; 'B' Cam shot the Lekgolo scene(s). I image we'll see Locke as a Spartan in the last episode. Maybe we'll even see Randall in a flashback to Vodin or something of the sort. I totally agree with your death/ending predictions. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 11:31, 20 November 2014 (EST) | ||
::It's also possible that "Spartan" is a codename for the main cast—the production crew may or may not have confused the armored and helmeted ONI and Sedrans with Spartans, or they simply used the name because it's catchy. Or the names are simply their peculiar way of identifying the main and second units. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:03, 20 November 2014 (EST) | ::It's also possible that "Spartan" is a codename for the main cast—the production crew may or may not have confused the armored and helmeted ONI and Sedrans with Spartans, or they simply used the name because it's catchy. Or the names are simply their peculiar way of identifying the main and second units. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 12:03, 20 November 2014 (EST) | ||
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::::"''It's also possible that "Spartan" is a codename for the main cast ...''" I had considered that and I'm afraid it may be so. Maybe Locke and Co. ''were'' Spartans in early drafts of the story and the change just never clicked with the behind-the-scenes crew. | ::::"''It's also possible that "Spartan" is a codename for the main cast ...''" I had considered that and I'm afraid it may be so. Maybe Locke and Co. ''were'' Spartans in early drafts of the story and the change just never clicked with the behind-the-scenes crew. | ||
::::Could Macer survive? Quite possibly. I'd like Randall to make it out but I highly doubt that'll happen. I hope some greater agency behind the attack is revealed in later episodes, making the former Spartan's death more meaningful. Right now it seems as though the element was created by chance; the attack was carried out for the usual xenophobic reasons; and the smugglers and Lekgolo are simply present by happenstance. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span> | ::::Could Macer survive? Quite possibly. I'd like Randall to make it out but I highly doubt that'll happen. I hope some greater agency behind the attack is revealed in later episodes, making the former Spartan's death more meaningful. Right now it seems as though the element was created by chance; the attack was carried out for the usual xenophobic reasons; and the smugglers and Lekgolo are simply present by happenstance. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 06:37, 21 November 2014 (EST) | ||
:::::I'm definitely hoping there's something to tie up all these disparate plot threads. It's a hard for me to buy that an element with effects that specific would be generated by pure coincidence, let alone that anyone would actually end up finding out about its properties when it's only found in a location like this. I was hoping the threat on the Halo fragment would end up being an aspect of the element or something mutated by it to connect the two (for some reason I immediately think of the black goo from ''Prometheus''), but it remains to be seen how they'll fit the Lekgolo in the grander scheme of things in the later episodes, if they do it at all. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if it was revealed later on that someone (Osman?) engineered the ground mission to Alpha Shard for the sake of studying some deeper threat present there. With a "crew expendable" caveat of course. As an aside I found it a little strange that ''Escalation''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s ''Exposure'' arc isn't apparently the prequel to ''Nightfall'' as I'd assumed—it seemed like it was being pushed out just the right moment to coincide with the webseries' release, not to mention the subject matter of a bioweapon, which has been rather unusual in the ''Haloverse'' so far. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:09, 21 November 2014 (EST) | :::::I'm definitely hoping there's something to tie up all these disparate plot threads. It's a hard for me to buy that an element with effects that specific would be generated by pure coincidence, let alone that anyone would actually end up finding out about its properties when it's only found in a location like this. I was hoping the threat on the Halo fragment would end up being an aspect of the element or something mutated by it to connect the two (for some reason I immediately think of the black goo from ''Prometheus''), but it remains to be seen how they'll fit the Lekgolo in the grander scheme of things in the later episodes, if they do it at all. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if it was revealed later on that someone (Osman?) engineered the ground mission to Alpha Shard for the sake of studying some deeper threat present there. With a "crew expendable" caveat of course. As an aside I found it a little strange that ''Escalation''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s ''Exposure'' arc isn't apparently the prequel to ''Nightfall'' as I'd assumed—it seemed like it was being pushed out just the right moment to coincide with the webseries' release, not to mention the subject matter of a bioweapon, which has been rather unusual in the ''Haloverse'' so far. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:09, 21 November 2014 (EST) | ||