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 == Honour Code - Elite Tactics ==
 How come the Elites are only honour bound against humans but not against Brutes.
 Elites honour code is how they lost Battle of Alpha Base and lost too many ships at Fall of Reach, yet they don't go for glorious boarding action against Brutes? No explanation is made as to how the Elites suddenly became tactical geniuses over-night? Could someone please clarify that please? --90.197.5.100 17:33, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
-    Several Sangheili commanders demonstrated considerable skill in tactics throughout the war, most notably Thel 'Vadam(ee). Tactical missteps in isolated battles do not an incompetent race make. As for why not go for "glorious boarding action", the Halopedia content pages aren't the place for that kind of speculation, but given the Sangheili's goal was to eliminate Truth's fleet, not capture it, engaging in ship-to-ship combat would seem the better choice, particularly given the fact that the troops that would have been engaged in the boarding parties were needed on the surface of the Installation.--Emblem 1.jpg Rusty-112 Admin comm 17:45, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
+Several Sangheili commanders demonstrated considerable skill in tactics throughout the war, most notably Thel 'Vadam(ee). Tactical missteps in isolated battles do not an incompetent race make. As for why not go for "glorious boarding action", the Halopedia content pages aren't the place for that kind of speculation, but given the Sangheili's goal was to eliminate Truth's fleet, not capture it, engaging in ship-to-ship combat would seem the better choice, particularly given the fact that the troops that would have been engaged in the boarding parties were needed on the surface of the Installation.--Emblem 1.jpg Rusty-112 Admin comm 17:45, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
+They also consider humans to be much more honourable than the Jiralhanae, so the "degree" of honour they give to opponents probably depends on how honourable they deem their opponent. - NightHammer (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
-        They also consider humans to be much more honourable than the Jiralhanae, so the "degree" of honour they give to opponents probably depends on how honourable they deem their opponent. - NightHammer (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2015 (EDT)
+Also keep in mind: the Covenant's biggest botch-jobs, ie; their disastrous handling of the humans on Alpha Halo, the invasion of Earth, etc, took place under the authority of Prophets. Thel leaned towards simply blowing the Autumn out of the sky, but it was the Minor Prophet who ordered the boardings. Likewise, the boarding ops at Earth took place to allow Regret to barely slip past, and the Covenant deployment on Delta Halo that destroyed Regret's temple were partially ordered by Truth to kill him. When unhindered by Prophet interference, the Elites prove they're pretty vicious and intelligent - ie; Reach, where I can't really think of a stupid deployment there, and conducted smart, complex operations to circumvent human defences. -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 06:03, 23 July 2015 (EDT)
-            Also keep in mind: the Covenant's biggest botch-jobs, ie; their disastrous handling of the humans on Alpha Halo, the invasion of Earth, etc, took place under the authority of Prophets. Thel leaned towards simply blowing the Autumn out of the sky, but it was the Minor Prophet who ordered the boardings. Likewise, the boarding ops at Earth took place to allow Regret to barely slip past, and the Covenant deployment on Delta Halo that destroyed Regret's temple were partially ordered by Truth to kill him. When unhindered by Prophet interference, the Elites prove they're pretty vicious and intelligent - ie; Reach, where I can't really think of a stupid deployment there, and conducted smart, complex operations to circumvent human defences. -- Qura 'Morhek The Autocrat of Morheka 06:03, 23 July 2015 (EDT)
-The Elites at Reach, under Thel' Vadam no less thought it was a good idea to send ship after ship into the UNSC's orbital defenses where if he was intelligent he would have made them use ranged weaponry and not treat his fleet like a zombie horde. So the switch from that to "yeah the Elites can beat a brute fleet 3-1" is a jarring phenomenon that needs context. Also the Covenant's failed attempts to repel the UNSC during the Truth and Reconcilliation raids, commander-in-chief? Thel' Vadam (admittedly under Prophet's orders but that's still no excuse for screwing up a basic ground operation and the Chief's presence is no excuse). The Elites have repeatedly been outwitted by humans in space thanks to nothing more than ablative tactics in many cases, especially when up against Admiral Cole --[[Special:Contributions/90.198.32.100|90.198.32.100]] 14:00, 26 July 2015 (EDT)
+The Elites at Reach, under Thel' Vadam (Supreme Commander then freaking Arbiter in Halo 2) no less thought it was a good idea to send ship after ship into the UNSC's orbital defenses where if he was intelligent he would have made them use ranged weaponry and not treat his fleet like a zombie horde. So the switch from that to "yeah the Elites can beat a brute fleet 3-1" is a jarring phenomenon that needs context. Also the Covenant's failed attempts to repel the UNSC during the Truth and Reconcilliation raids, commander-in-chief? Thel' Vadam (admittedly under Prophet's orders but that's still no excuse for screwing up a basic ground operation and the Chief's presence is no excuse). The Elites have repeatedly been outwitted by humans in space thanks to nothing more than ablative tactics in many cases, especially when up against Admiral Cole --[[Special:Contributions/90.198.32.100|90.198.32.100]] 14:00, 26 July 2015 (EDT)