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Due to escalating schoolwork deadlines, I'm going to have to vacate the debate here, though honestly, I think that I've said all that I could (aside from pointing out [https://profiles.google.com/109038545205622105410/buzz/dBazJV4t8jp this ODS Steve] interview from Game Bashing and [http://ceunited.com/20questionsdeepcee.html this one] from CE United.) To the admins and community, you have Sub's points toward third party sources, mine towards second party instead. Evaluate them and then decide. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 21:58, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
Due to escalating schoolwork deadlines, I'm going to have to vacate the debate here, though honestly, I think that I've said all that I could (aside from pointing out [https://profiles.google.com/109038545205622105410/buzz/dBazJV4t8jp this ODS Steve] interview from Game Bashing and [http://ceunited.com/20questionsdeepcee.html this one] from CE United.) To the admins and community, you have Sub's points toward third party sources, mine towards second party instead. Evaluate them and then decide. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 21:58, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
:Just needed to point out both are independent third-party sources, the first based in India (shutdown around Aug '12, presumably lack of funds/interest to run based on cursory glance of site history) whereas the second is just an inactive website since 2011. What is second party sourcing? — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  23:03, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
Second party would be Bungie, 343, Hawty, and the DA fanbases, since that one's defined as the "buyer/seller" on Wikipedia. Those were the main crux of me argument. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 23:16, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
:Ah, read it differently. Mind went blank just now. Ignore this. :P — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  23:35, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
<nowiki>*</nowiki>''wipes his own mind blank to ignore this''* I did not know I had the power to blank minds... [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 00:05, 19 March 2013 (EDT)
==Windows Phone game==
Does [http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/spartan-runner/f60c5553-2214-4b62-a1b5-7f7613938584 this game] qualify for an article? It's not like the Windows store is rampant with Halo fan games everywhere (as far as I can tell, it's the only one). But it's not really well known either, apart from [http://halo.bungie.org/news.html?item=40181 this news] on Halo.bungie.org when it was released. My impression is that it can't get an article, but, well, I'm asking your opinion. Anyway, ''Spartan Runner'' is kind of a funny game, you should try it if you have a compatible Windows phone. [[User:Imrane-117|Imrane-117]] ([[User talk:Imrane-117|talk]]) 20:08, 22 January 2015 (EST)
:[[Halopedia:Notability policy#Fan_content|See this]]. So far, there isn't much "recognition"... well, not one I know of anyway. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  04:45, 23 January 2015 (EST)
==Clean up and proposed wipe==
I am here to propose a lil clean up of this template. So here I am. While I do believe it should be wiped completely. I am starting by suggesting something not so drastic. But a lil more open ended so it doesnt end up in pain and sorrow.
I think The Codex, This Spartan Life, A Sangheili's War is Never Over, Halo: Faith, Operation Chasity, Halo: Helljumper, Halo: The Fallen, The Chase and the Hunt, and Halogen should be wiped from the template regardless.
But overall The reason why is that a lot of these sorta arnt relevant anymore, or died. And that the Halo Community is way bigger than all of the stuff on this template, that and notability is kinda lacking in a lot of the stuff on it nowadays bar Red vs Blue. Pretty much if we wanted to we could instead just have links to stuff here on the [[Halopedia:Community|Community]] page. We have a community page. Wouldnt it be easier to manage if we just fused this template with the community page? Only keeping the pages that have a huge connection like Red vs Blue, Halo: A fistful of Arrows, Warthog Launch(its in the Halo 3 Limited edition disk its practically official weirdly), Halo 2600, Halo Effect, and Halo and Philosophy.-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 14:48, 20 November 2017 (EST)
:Cleanups are welcomed but I disagree with deletions. These articles were notable before and they are still notable now. Notability doesn't cease due to irrelevancy or inactivity. If [[halo.bungie.org]] is no longer around (be it because it's no longer relevant or dead) and has lost that "huge connection", are you proposing that it should be wiped out from the wiki as well? As a ''Halo'' wiki, we are to document everything noteworthy and/or notable to the Halo franchise. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:02, 21 November 2017 (EST)
==Notability update?==
Ok well then, I do think we certainly need a clear notability policy for this to decide stuff as its kinda very vague atm. Getting numbers ironed out helps us ultimately keep this stuff from getting out of control. Cause with the current notability policy... I can add so much to this, which could very easily be an issue. So stricter stuff is needed for this to be used.
So perhaps
*2 Official sources(Bungie, 343i, MS, or an official partner) in separate occasions equals it to stay 100%.
*5 external sources (unofficial sites like IGN and other places) in separate occasions equals it to stay 100%
*At least 10 external fan posts in a forum or something.(aka proof in a talk page it was notable)
With
*If 1 Official source has mentioned it then 3 external sources needed, or 6 external fan posts.
*And 1 external source equals around 2 external fan posts on it.
Thoughts?-[[User:CIA391|CIA391]] ([[User talk:CIA391|talk]]) 18:39, 27 November 2017 (EST)
:I don't think we should set a fixed number of sources for something that is clearly subjective. There may be an occasion where official sources may not mention a fan post as it may conflict with their policy(ies) (e.g. copyright, commercial). It should be dealt with on a case-to-case basis. The only way to be certain with determining notability of a fan work is to discuss with the community. That is why the notability policy is drafted as follows:
:1. That the information has reliable and reputable sources that are independent of the subject; and
:2A. It has significant coverage to the extent that it is more than a trivial mention; OR
:2B. There is a foreseeable certainty that the information will see sufficient and future growth; and
:Also, please note that fan posts are not to be considered as a source; it can however be considered as a factor when determining notability. There is a tendency that these posts may attempt to market the fan work; if so, they are not considered ''"independent of the subject"''. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  04:10, 2 December 2017 (EST)

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