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==Picture is NOT a destroyer== | ==Picture is NOT a destroyer== | ||
In | In The Fall of Reach, Captain Keyes' destroyer Iroqois uses both of its MAC's against two Covenant Frigates and a Destroyer. but the image on the the article page is a cruiser, not a destroyer, and is in the wrong place entirely. the destroyers, from their description, seem to be merely heavier-armed friagtes. perhaps a picture of one of them should suffice? | ||
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:The image is a destroyer from a ''Cairo Station'' viewport. It must be, b/c it is approx. the same size as the frigates beside it, and they're only 7 meters different...too little to see from the distance that they're streaming by at. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt> | :The image is a destroyer from a ''Cairo Station'' viewport. It must be, b/c it is approx. the same size as the frigates beside it, and they're only 7 meters different...too little to see from the distance that they're streaming by at. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt>22:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
::I don't think we should keep this Lego "destroyer" as the pic for this article. | ::I don't think we should keep this Lego "destroyer" as the pic for this article. | ||
::No offense and with all do respect that is a marathon class cruiser. If not marathon possibly another halcyon. Mostly marathon class though. I forgot which one but I think one of the books stated that the UNSC destroyer was very similar to the frigate except that the armor is thicker. In Halo Ghost of Onyx it states that the In Amber Clad was a destroyer. If only I remembered which books and what pages contained the proof.--[[User:Halo3|Halo3]]Halo3 | ::No offense and with all do respect that is a marathon class cruiser. If not marathon possibly another halcyon. Mostly marathon class though. I forgot which one but I think one of the books stated that the UNSC destroyer was very similar to the frigate except that the armor is thicker. In Halo Ghost of Onyx it states that the In Amber Clad was a destroyer. If only I remembered which books and what pages contained the proof.--[[User:Halo3|Halo3]]Halo3 | ||
:::the pic I have was nearly the identical length as a destroyer, which fits in with the fact that the destroyer is only 7 meters longer. Thaks, H3. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt> | :::the pic I have was nearly the identical length as a destroyer, which fits in with the fact that the destroyer is only 7 meters longer. Thaks, H3. Cheers, <tt>[[user:RelentlessRecusant|49 Proximal Secant]]<sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RelentlessRecusant|oracle]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup></tt> 23:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
::::That picture blaitently a Cruiser, its to big and the ship in the opening scene is most likey a cruiser, i believe i know which one's are destroyers but my picture is in bmp ill send it to you Relentless if i have your MSN and we can debate if you want. --[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 18:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC) | ::::That picture blaitently a Cruiser, its to big and the ship in the opening scene is most likey a cruiser, i believe i know which one's are destroyers but my picture is in bmp ill send it to you Relentless if i have your MSN and we can debate if you want. --[[User:Climax Viod|Climax Viod]] 18:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
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===This Image=== | ===This Image=== | ||
Is this what we could be looking for? (sorry, first time writer on pages)[[User:Helard|Helard]] 06:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
The image to the left appears to be [[In Amber Clad]] which is a [[UNSC frigate|Frigate]] not a destroyer -- [[User:Esemono|Esemono]] 07:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
{{Clear}} | {{Clear}} | ||
Note the In Amber Clad may not be a frigate see frigate Discussion page for more details | Note the In Amber Clad may not be a frigate see frigate Discussion page for more details | ||
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is that an actual render of a UNSC destroyer? [[User:SILENT ONE|SILENT ONE]] 20:38, 12 Oct 2008 (UTC) | is that an actual render of a UNSC destroyer? [[User:SILENT ONE|SILENT ONE]] 20:38, 12 Oct 2008 (UTC) | ||
:It's a fan-made version, and has been removed as such. -- ''' | :It's a fan-made version, and has been removed as such. -- '''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 06:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC) | ||
From Halo: Black Spartan | From Halo: Black Spartan | ||
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==Generic Destroyer Image== | ==Generic Destroyer Image== | ||
What about this? | |||
I had an image... of a generic UNSC Destroyer which was undone by someone, so I came here. | I had an image... of a generic UNSC Destroyer which was undone by someone, so I came here. | ||
Here is the image, shouldn't it be included in the page, because the image of the Heracles exiting Slipspace is too vague? | Here is the image, shouldn't it be included in the page, because the image of the Heracles exiting Slipspace is too vague? | ||
:Your Destroyer = Not from any official canon sources. | :Your Destroyer = Not from any official canon sources. [[User:Grizzlei|CommanderTony]] | ||
== Armament == | == Armament == | ||
Hi, could someone who knows the weapons on a UNSC Destroyer (e.g. someone who plays the game :P) clean up the page? Cheers. | Hi, could someone who knows the weapons on a UNSC Destroyer (e.g. someone who plays the game :P) clean up the page? Cheers. <span style="color:SteelBlue"> [[User:A F K When Needed|A F K]] [[User_talk:A F K When Needed|When]] [[Special:Contributions/A_F_K_When_Needed|Needed]]</span> 17:36, January 16, 2010 (UTC) | ||
All the information known about UNSC destroyers is currently listed. the only ships that have appear ingame are cruisers and frigates. Hence the wellspring of information about each. | All the information known about UNSC destroyers is currently listed. the only ships that have appear ingame are cruisers and frigates. Hence the wellspring of information about each. | ||
[[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 17:40, January 16, 2010 (UTC) | [[User talk:ProphetofTruth|ProphetofTruth]] 17:40, January 16, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Sorry for the late response. I mean how some of the information appears in the box, and some at the very bottom of the page. | :Sorry for the late response. I mean how some of the information appears in the box, and some at the very bottom of the page. <span style="color:SteelBlue"> [[User:A F K When Needed|A F K]] [[User_talk:A F K When Needed|When]] [[Special:Contributions/A_F_K_When_Needed|Needed]]</span> 17:48, January 18, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Power Plant == | == Power Plant == | ||
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== why can't destroyers carry fighters? == | == why can't destroyers carry fighters? == | ||
i know that they don't have hangers, but couldnt they just attach them to outside airlocks/hatches?? this is suported by Halo:first strike. it says that the master chief's longsword docked with sgt johnson's pelican using a ventral docking hatch. [[User:Maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 12:04, 31/01/2012 | i know that they don't have hangers, but couldnt they just attach them to outside airlocks/hatches?? this is suported by Halo:first strike. it says that the master chief's longsword docked with sgt johnson's pelican using a ventral docking hatch. ---[[User:Maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 12:04, 31/01/2012 | ||
:They don't carry fighters in the Aircraft Carrier sense. For an appropriate Naval comparison to your suggestion, it would be like tying a fishing boat to a larger ship by rope.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 12:08, 31 January 2012 (EST) | :They don't carry fighters in the Aircraft Carrier sense. For an appropriate Naval comparison to your suggestion, it would be like tying a fishing boat to a larger ship by rope.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 12:08, 31 January 2012 (EST) | ||
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"''It would be like tying a fishing boat to a larger ship by rope.''" Why wouldn't that work? this is a tactic used by several militaries, in the form of chase boats, which are deployed from the sides or from the back of the ship. This is also used by several illegal, factions namely somali pirates. all in all it's a valid tactic. (and on an unrelated topic, how do you sign your posts? theres a button for it but mine doesnt work, so i have to type it) [[User:Maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 12:25, 31 January 2012 (EST) | "''It would be like tying a fishing boat to a larger ship by rope.''" Why wouldn't that work? this is a tactic used by several militaries, in the form of chase boats, which are deployed from the sides or from the back of the ship. This is also used by several illegal, factions namely somali pirates. all in all it's a valid tactic. (and on an unrelated topic, how do you sign your posts? theres a button for it but mine doesnt work, so i have to type it) [[User:Maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 12:25, 31 January 2012 (EST) | ||
:I can't imagine towing fighters would be good when the ship entered slipspace. It's pointed out in ''Ghosts of Onyx'' that technicians have been known to vanish when trying to repair unshielded, active slipspace drives. Clamped to the side of the ship, a fighter would be outside the shielding...--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 13:33, 31 January 2012 (EST) | :I can't imagine towing fighters would be good when the ship entered slipspace. It's pointed out in ''Ghosts of Onyx'' that technicians have been known to vanish when trying to repair unshielded, active slipspace drives. Clamped to the side of the ship, a fighter would be outside the shielding...--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 13:33, 31 January 2012 (EST) | ||
I don't think that would really be a problem, the fighters would be latched and locked onto a hard point. i'm not talking about long and flimsy umbilicals, just holes/latches in the hull, it wouldn't be any different than '''bolting''' an antena or even plating for the ship, they would technically be part of the ship, until they were unlocked. the only reason techs disappear is because they're unatached to the ship, for the fighter to disappear they'd have to take the ship's armour with them. and it's not like the ships are undergoing extreme forces, slipspace travel doesnt involve thrust, the ship travels at the speed it was going prior to entering slispace --[[User:Maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 2:28, 31 January 2012 | |||
:Do we have a source for the thrust bit? Of course, your argument is that how a UNSC ship can travel, say, a lightyear in an hour relates to how compressed slipspace is. The only thrust-related source I can find, however, is from Contact Harvest's opening chapter, where it disambiguates the slipspace drive from the thrusters (it seemed to suggest that how fast you travelled would depend on how fast you were going ''in'' slipspace). A hole in your argument is in ''Halo 2'', where Regret's carrier goes very slowly into a slipspace rupture, and yet still travels at tremendous speed.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 18:19, 31 January 2012 (EST) | |||
The point I was trying to get accross was; that in the vacuum of space there would be little to no (wind) resistance to ''tear'' the ships from the hull, this goes the same for slipspace (theres no anything in slipspace). I can see no real reason why they couldn't be latched onto an airlock. And I see your point about regret's carrier, on that same note, the covenant have a way better understanding of slipspace. besides slipspace isnt the most understood topic in the halo universe, bungie has used this to their advantage, to explain discrepancies --[[User: maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 07:36, 31 January 2012 (EST) | |||
== point defense guns?? == | |||
where are they? i looked at the picture at the top of the page. i cant see any --[[User:maccabeuse|maccabeuse]] 03:07, 31 January 2012 | |||
:It's an image of an outdated UNSC Destroyer. Besides, the model used by 343i of the UNSC ''Heart of Midlothian'' in the motion comic ''Midnight on the Heart of Midlothian'' on Halo Waypoint isn't all that detailed, as most of the events take place inside the ship, not outside. But it's a destroyer, so just like real-world destroyers in the US Navy and the world's varied navies, it should have some antifighter suppression-fire systems onboard. Not like it matters, since the Covenant launched a surprise sneak attack that was so stealthy the destroyer's systems didn't have time to react, and even then, they were probably destroyed in the first attack, or were surreptitiously sabotaged when Covenant strike teams came aboard. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 15:22, 31 January 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330 | |||
Makes sense, took a closer look at the picture too. it looks hand drawn. [[User:maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 05:30, 31 January 2012 | |||
== Pelicans? == | |||
It says that destroyers carry pelican'''''s'''''. plural. where do they dock? i can't see a hanger on the destroyer. ad it says that it doesnt carry any single ship fighters, this ties into one of my other questions, if it has room for pelican'''''s''''' than why not a single longsword. --[[User:maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 09:47, 31 January 2012 (EST) | |||
:Destroyers have small hangars to carry Pelicans. But Longswords are so much bigger. A Pelican is only 100 ft long and 76 ft wide. A Longsword is 210 ft long and 246 ft wide. Just one would be take up the space of three Pelicans. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 22:04, 31 January 2012 (EST) | |||
Do you have any indication of where these hangers are? [[User:maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 10:50, January 31 2012 (EST) | |||