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==Inclusion== | ==Inclusion== | ||
Why aren't the Marines and Navy included here? Or have they just not been gotten around to yet? -- ''' | Why aren't the Marines and Navy included here? Or have they just not been gotten around to yet? -- '''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora</font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 21:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Trooper is resilient in saying that the Navy and Marines aren't in the UNSCDF. I've shown and told him a lot of evidence about a Defense Force isn't purely *defensive* in nature. For example, the Israeli and Australian Defense Forces; they have an Army, Air Force....and a Navy. | ::Trooper is resilient in saying that the Navy and Marines aren't in the UNSCDF. I've shown and told him a lot of evidence about a Defense Force isn't purely *defensive* in nature. For example, the Israeli and Australian Defense Forces; they have an Army, Air Force....and a Navy. File:United Nations logo.png|35px]]UoH|<font color="silver"><b>General]]</b></font> [[User:CommanderTony|<b><font color="crimson">Tony</font>]]</b>, <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=green>Administrator of Halopedia]]</font></b><sup>[[User Talk:CommanderTony|<b><font color="black">Talk]]</font></b></sup> 8/05/2008 | ||
== Transfer? == | == Transfer? == | ||
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::Ah, makes a lot more sense now given how the UEG probably wouldn't tolerate civilians owning firearms as much as organized national forces. But why didn't any of the East African forces help out the UNSC?{{Unsigned|173.34.134.217}} | ::Ah, makes a lot more sense now given how the UEG probably wouldn't tolerate civilians owning firearms as much as organized national forces. But why didn't any of the East African forces help out the UNSC?{{Unsigned|173.34.134.217}} | ||
:::All dead, maybe? Considered not very good so were relegated to the sidelines? Or perhaps they just helped out in different theatres but didn't get involved around Voi because of the importance of the objective. Also, why do you presume that about the UEG's stance on firearms ownership? Judging by the Insurrectionists, fairly significant numbers of people do own firearms and are prepared to use them.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] ([[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|talk]]) 10:40, 14 August 2013 (EDT) | :::All dead, maybe? Considered not very good so were relegated to the sidelines? Or perhaps they just helped out in different theatres but didn't get involved around Voi because of the importance of the objective. Also, why do you presume that about the UEG's stance on firearms ownership? Judging by the Insurrectionists, fairly significant numbers of people do own firearms and are prepared to use them.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] ([[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|talk]]) 10:40, 14 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
::::It would've been better if they at least mentioned that the local Kenya and Tanzanian troops were wiped up or otherwise occupied. Chief: What about the local military? Cortana: They're all either dead or on evac duty. Also the UNSC was willing to initiate the S-II program to fight the Insurrection-who's to say they banned assault weapons prior? Given how the Colonies had legitimate gripes about the UNSCs somewhat repressive nature, who's to say they didn't ban rifles and pistols? As for why the Innies acquired military-grade firearms, outlaws and insurgents like them tend to disobey weapons laws. Plus the FLP was able to acquire a NUKE-a commercial-grade nuke at that, but a nuke nonetheless that's definitely gotta be restricted and gotta cost quite a lot of cash or require a pretty well-thought plan that'll be high-cost anyway, plus that's only one instance where the Innies had nukes. Infantry weapons are nothing compared to nukes.{{Unsigned| | ::::It would've been better if they at least mentioned that the local Kenya and Tanzanian troops were wiped up or otherwise occupied. Chief: What about the local military? Cortana: They're all either dead or on evac duty. Also the UNSC was willing to initiate the S-II program to fight the Insurrection-who's to say they banned assault weapons prior? Given how the Colonies had legitimate gripes about the UNSCs somewhat repressive nature, who's to say they didn't ban rifles and pistols? As for why the Innies acquired military-grade firearms, outlaws and insurgents like them tend to disobey weapons laws. Plus the FLP was able to acquire a NUKE-a commercial-grade nuke at that, but a nuke nonetheless that's definitely gotta be restricted and gotta cost quite a lot of cash or require a pretty well-thought plan that'll be high-cost anyway, plus that's only one instance where the Innies had nukes. Infantry weapons are nothing compared to nukes.{{Unsigned|69.193.53.138}} | ||
:::::The principle of "show, don't tell" applies. Cortana and the Chief saying that would have sounded ridiculous, and would have taken up memory for an entirely unnecessary point.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] ([[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|talk]]) 15:32, 14 August 2013 (EDT) | :::::The principle of "show, don't tell" applies. Cortana and the Chief saying that would have sounded ridiculous, and would have taken up memory for an entirely unnecessary point.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] ([[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|talk]]) 15:32, 14 August 2013 (EDT) | ||
::::::Fair point.{{unsigned|76.31.228.133}} | ::::::Fair point.{{unsigned|76.31.228.133}} | ||
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:::That's my interpretation of the "Navy" references as well; they're essentially referring to the spacefaring component of the Covenant's military forces and not an official service branch in the human sense. Think it's time we took steps to do something about this thing - it's been, what, two years (?) since this was first brought to light. As with the [[Forerunner fleet]] page, we could keep "[[Covenant fleet]]" as a general article for all things Covenant's spaceborne military (it might be more apt to call it "Covenant navy", but that has the risk of people confusing it for a proper organization). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:06, 22 January 2014 (EST) | :::That's my interpretation of the "Navy" references as well; they're essentially referring to the spacefaring component of the Covenant's military forces and not an official service branch in the human sense. Think it's time we took steps to do something about this thing - it's been, what, two years (?) since this was first brought to light. As with the [[Forerunner fleet]] page, we could keep "[[Covenant fleet]]" as a general article for all things Covenant's spaceborne military (it might be more apt to call it "Covenant navy", but that has the risk of people confusing it for a proper organization). --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:06, 22 January 2014 (EST) | ||
Anyway, back to the original question, the title of the article consolidating the UNSC ranks would be "UNSC rank structure". I presume they still retain the same rank structure as the ones used by the US military (like how they are now in | Anyway, back to the original question, the title of the article consolidating the UNSC ranks would be "UNSC rank structure". I presume they still retain the same rank structure as the ones used by the US military (like how they are now in these two templates). — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 10:30, 22 January 2014 (EST) | ||
:And done. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:52, 24 July 2014 (EDT) | :And done. — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 11:52, 24 July 2014 (EDT) | ||
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::Agreed. Besides, as mentioned in the article, "trooper" seems to be the term that refers to Army personnel now. Recently, it is used by Spartan Games for ''Ground Command'' whenever they refer to Army soldiers. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 14:17, 14 April 2016 (EDT) | ::Agreed. Besides, as mentioned in the article, "trooper" seems to be the term that refers to Army personnel now. Recently, it is used by Spartan Games for ''Ground Command'' whenever they refer to Army soldiers. --[[User:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">'''NightHammer'''</span>]]''<sup>[[User talk:NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(talk)</span>]]</sup><sup>[[Special:Contributions/NightHammer|<span style="color: #2B1AAA;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup>'' 14:17, 14 April 2016 (EDT) | ||
There are other examples. Keyes and Johnson address Lovik and Mendoza (respectively) as soldiers during the helmet cam cutscene. Hood refers to Johnson as a "soldier of the United Earth Space Corps" during the awards ceremony in ''Halo 2''. The nameless officer at the end of "Prototype" calls Ghost a soldier twice. I'm sure there are several instances that aren't coming to mind right now. I agree with Jugus: real-world laziness, in-universe evolution of customs.--[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our answer is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 18:48, 14 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
:And my personal favorite | |||
:''Our duty, as soldiers, is to protect humanity. Whatever the cost.'' | |||
:''You say that like soldiers and humanity are two different things. Soldiers aren't machines. We're just people.''[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith Venator</span>]] [[File:Mega Blastoise.gif|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Dank Memes</span>]]) 19:32, 14 April 2016 (EDT) | |||
== Order of Precedence == | |||
The U.S. Armed Forces order of precedence determines the seniority and order of the services, going Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard. On the UNSC page on Halo Waypoint (https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/factions/unsc) the order is Navy, Marines, Army, Air Force, and Spartan. Note that this order is not in alphabetical order, but is not random. | |||
Should we make it policy to list the services in this order to reflect the order of precedence rather than listing them in alphabetical order?[[User:Garuda28|Garuda28]] ([[User talk:Garuda28|talk]]) 21:43, 19 December 2017 (EST) | |||
:I don't think one branch has a higher authority than the other. Although the Navy has been explicitly depicted in the lore to be the most powerful UNSC branch, especially with ONI being a part of it.[[User:Editorguy|Editorguy]] ([[User talk:Editorguy|talk]]) 09:58, 20 December 2017 (EST) | |||
::Seniority isn’t power or authority. It’s like how the U.S. Army is the most senior since it was formed first, but is still equal with the Coast Guard, the least senior. It only applys to the order of the services and has no impact or insinuation on the power one has over another. [[User:Garuda28|Garuda28]] ([[User talk:Garuda28|talk]]) 14:16, 20 December 2017 (EST) | |||