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<b>[[User:Matoro3311|<font color="#6495ED">Gunnery</font>]] [[User Talk:Matoro3311|<font color="#808080">Sergeant</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Matoro3311|<font color="#008080">Matoro3311</font>]] | </b> | <b>[[User:Matoro3311|<font color="#6495ED">Gunnery</font>]] [[User Talk:Matoro3311|<font color="#808080">Sergeant</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Matoro3311|<font color="#008080">Matoro3311</font>]] | </b> 15:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
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--[[User talk:BlackSuitHalo|BlackSuitHalo]] 07:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | --[[User talk:BlackSuitHalo|BlackSuitHalo]] 07:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:It seems that he may have already been slightly rampant as a result of his extreme isolation from other sentient beings following the annihilation of the Forerunners. After Installation 04 was destroyed by John-117, he became fully rampant. When Installation 04 was being rebuilt, he appeared to return to his normal state, but it seems that this reversal was only partial -- when Johnson threatened the installation, he killed him -- citing "protocol" as his reason, despite the fact that protocol actually dictated (if I have this right) that firing the Halo was more important than protecting the Halo. His rampancy may have caused him to confuse his protocols and objectives, prompting him to kill Johnson, or he may have simply wished to avoid the rampancy that accompanied the destruction of the first Installation 04, OR he may have known that without Installation 04, he was useless and effectively obsolete, OR... The list goes on. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :It seems that he may have already been slightly rampant as a result of his extreme isolation from other sentient beings following the annihilation of the Forerunners. After Installation 04 was destroyed by John-117, he became fully rampant. When Installation 04 was being rebuilt, he appeared to return to his normal state, but it seems that this reversal was only partial -- when Johnson threatened the installation, he killed him -- citing "protocol" as his reason, despite the fact that protocol actually dictated (if I have this right) that firing the Halo was more important than protecting the Halo. His rampancy may have caused him to confuse his protocols and objectives, prompting him to kill Johnson, or he may have simply wished to avoid the rampancy that accompanied the destruction of the first Installation 04, OR he may have known that without Installation 04, he was useless and effectively obsolete, OR... The list goes on. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 01:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Who knows what Offensive Bias set the priorities of its lesser fellows to be before it shut down. Most likely, 343 calculated that the local Flood could not remove themselves from the range of the new Installation 04 before the time at which damage would be minimal to both installation 04 and the Ark. Thus, it would be justified - destroying the Flood slightly later in order to save the work of the Forerunners. For that matter, why was the UNSC so intent on using the installation immediately and not waiting "a few more days"? Rampancy is most likely due to a lack of strong purpose - the Forerunner probably added its secondary purposes as an afterthought and thus they were not well coded (they were in the middle of a war when they started, and after-war scenarios take a backseat to what's needed in the middle of a war). Helping the Reclaimer thus probably was very general - "help" in any possible way, with no set procedure or objective. -- [[Special:Contributions/67.234.240.8|67.234.240.8]] 02:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | ::Who knows what Offensive Bias set the priorities of its lesser fellows to be before it shut down. Most likely, 343 calculated that the local Flood could not remove themselves from the range of the new Installation 04 before the time at which damage would be minimal to both installation 04 and the Ark. Thus, it would be justified - destroying the Flood slightly later in order to save the work of the Forerunners. For that matter, why was the UNSC so intent on using the installation immediately and not waiting "a few more days"? Rampancy is most likely due to a lack of strong purpose - the Forerunner probably added its secondary purposes as an afterthought and thus they were not well coded (they were in the middle of a war when they started, and after-war scenarios take a backseat to what's needed in the middle of a war). Helping the Reclaimer thus probably was very general - "help" in any possible way, with no set procedure or objective. -- [[Special:Contributions/67.234.240.8|67.234.240.8]] 02:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
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::My browser crashed, which kicked me out. I am [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]], not an anomymous IP address. -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]] 02:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | ::My browser crashed, which kicked me out. I am [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]], not an anomymous IP address. -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]] 02:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::I do believe that helping the Reclaimer (specifically, to activate Installation 04) was his ''primary'' objective, and that rampancy or deliberate disobedience caused him to swap its priority with that of preserving the Halos. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :::I do believe that helping the Reclaimer (specifically, to activate Installation 04) was his ''primary'' objective, and that rampancy or deliberate disobedience caused him to swap its priority with that of preserving the Halos. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 00:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::Oh, I never thought of that. I was thinking that his primary objective was to maintain the readiness of Installation 04 against the flood. -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]] 17:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | ::::Oh, I never thought of that. I was thinking that his primary objective was to maintain the readiness of Installation 04 against the flood. -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]] 17:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::Monitors like 343 Guilty Spark can't actually ''fire'' "their" Halos -- they need a Reclaimer -- so indeed, helping the Reclaimer ''use'' the Installation would be more important than protecting the Installation. Now that I think of it, the ''specific'' rampant behaviors that caused Spark's betrayal likely included a sentimental attachment to Installation 04, Installation 04 II, and the data contained in both -- like how he develope an attachment to the ''Pillar of Autumn'' and its contained records of human history, near the end of ''Halo: Combat Evolved''. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :::::Monitors like 343 Guilty Spark can't actually ''fire'' "their" Halos -- they need a Reclaimer -- so indeed, helping the Reclaimer ''use'' the Installation would be more important than protecting the Installation. Now that I think of it, the ''specific'' rampant behaviors that caused Spark's betrayal likely included a sentimental attachment to Installation 04, Installation 04 II, and the data contained in both -- like how he develope an attachment to the ''Pillar of Autumn'' and its contained records of human history, near the end of ''Halo: Combat Evolved''. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 01:11, 4 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::::You know those 100,000-year-old AIs and how they get attatched to stuff :P (I've only played Halo 3 and Halo Wars, so I don't know what you're talking about) -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]] 15:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC) | ::::::You know those 100,000-year-old AIs and how they get attatched to stuff :P (I've only played Halo 3 and Halo Wars, so I don't know what you're talking about) -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]] 15:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:::::::What he's trying to say is that 343 Guilty Spark told the Master Chief that they, the Monitors, are prohibited from firing the Halos using the Index themselves. It is against their protocol to do so. They can, however, transport the Index for safety purposes to avoid from falling into the grasp of the Flood. This is all from Halo: Combat Evolved. Play it and you will understand (Only $10-15 from Gamestop!).--<b>[[User Talk:-Ascension-|<font color="red">4</font>]][[User:-Ascension-|<font color="black">scen</font>]]</b> 15:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC) | :::::::What he's trying to say is that 343 Guilty Spark told the Master Chief that they, the Monitors, are prohibited from firing the Halos using the Index themselves. It is against their protocol to do so. They can, however, transport the Index for safety purposes to avoid from falling into the grasp of the Flood. This is all from Halo: Combat Evolved. Play it and you will understand (Only $10-15 from Gamestop!).--<b>[[User Talk:-Ascension-|<font color="red">4</font>]][[User:-Ascension-|<font color="black">scen</font>]]</b> 15:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::::In ''[[Halo: Combat Evolved]]'', 343 Guilty Spark tried to prevent the Master Chief from activating the ''Pillar of Autumn'''s fusion reactors, destroying it and Installation 04. One of Spark's statements implied a clear attachment to the ''Autumn'', wondering why anyone would want to destroy the records of human history contained within its systems. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :::::::In ''[[Halo: Combat Evolved]]'', 343 Guilty Spark tried to prevent the Master Chief from activating the ''Pillar of Autumn'''s fusion reactors, destroying it and Installation 04. One of Spark's statements implied a clear attachment to the ''Autumn'', wondering why anyone would want to destroy the records of human history contained within its systems. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>[[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 03:31, 6 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::::::Thanks, guys. I'm planning on learning more of the canon over the summer when I have some more free time. -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]] 04:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC) | ::::::::Thanks, guys. I'm planning on learning more of the canon over the summer when I have some more free time. -- [[User talk:Nutarama|Nutarama]] 04:46, 6 June 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Something I just thought of, what if the Forerunners programed the protection of the Halo, the only thing capable of stopping the flood, above firing it as soon as an outbreak was detected. Think about it, if they fired it and wrecked the Halo, it would take a few months for it to be rebuilt, allowing the flood to spread during that, while waiting a few more days, in which the flood could spread much less, and firing it at full power and ability. Plus, when it fired, it didn't kill John, meaning that protocal might have dictated that Spark at least wait until the Halo was able to actually do its job.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 06:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC) | Something I just thought of, what if the Forerunners programed the protection of the Halo, the only thing capable of stopping the flood, above firing it as soon as an outbreak was detected. Think about it, if they fired it and wrecked the Halo, it would take a few months for it to be rebuilt, allowing the flood to spread during that, while waiting a few more days, in which the flood could spread much less, and firing it at full power and ability. Plus, when it fired, it didn't kill John, meaning that protocal might have dictated that Spark at least wait until the Halo was able to actually do its job.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 06:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
My take on it all. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 01:50, September 14, 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Afflitianton == | == Afflitianton == | ||
:::::::I know I spelled it wrong, but wasn't he also with the UNSC? [[User:Dandarro nahan|<font color="red">'''Just Some Guy</font>]] <sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Dandarro nahan|<font color="green">Now I Will Talk, And You Will Listen</font>]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup> | :::::::I know I spelled it wrong, but wasn't he also with the UNSC? [[User:Dandarro nahan|<font color="red">'''Just Some Guy</font>]] <sup><nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:Dandarro nahan|<font color="green">Now I Will Talk, And You Will Listen</font>]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></sup> | ||
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