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:::Except canonically the infantry at the end of the game is not unlimited because Six eventually dies. Plus Six was only active since the 2540's. Also are you forgetting the ''Unyielding Hierophant'' and the estimated 500 ship fleet that was nearly wiped out by John-117 and his team in ''First Strike''? Plus it's more than possible that John destroyed many other Covenant ships during his time of service. In 28 years of warfare John is going to have a way higher body count than anyone who has been in service for 10 years or less. Why are you using hyper-lethal as an example when I recall that you yourself removed that quote from a page because you thought it was non-canon?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
:::Except canonically the infantry at the end of the game is not unlimited because Six eventually dies. Plus Six was only active since the 2540's. Also are you forgetting the ''Unyielding Hierophant'' and the estimated 500 ship fleet that was nearly wiped out by John-117 and his team in ''First Strike''? Plus it's more than possible that John destroyed many other Covenant ships during his time of service. In 28 years of warfare John is going to have a way higher body count than anyone who has been in service for 10 years or less. Why are you using hyper-lethal as an example when I recall that you yourself removed that quote from a page because you thought it was non-canon?--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}}
::::''Unyielding Hierophant'' was destroyed by Cortana when she overloaded its 512 reactors by copying herself and overloading its systems, so if anything the credit goes to Cortana. Okay, we'll forget the Hyper-Lethal quote for now. But you still seem to be ignoring the fact that while Master Chief struggled with the Insurrectionists, being captured by them several times, Noble Six destroyed entire resistance groups by himself. And if you ask me 10 years is also plenty of time to  make a name for himself. Obviously Cortana chose him to be her courier for a reason, he's the only other SPARTAN to have been chosen for such a task, she wouldn't have chosen him for no good reason, obviously there was a reason for him being chosen to be her courier, and it was because she knew he was the only one who could do it. Why? Because he is an exceptional SPARTAN. I don't dislike John-117, I actually like him better than Six - but he deserves more credit than he gets, he accomplished amazing feats that often go unrecognized simply because he was outlived by John-117. And even if he has more confirmed kills, which I doubt, it doesn't weigh in on any other fact than John-117 has been in combat longer, and had more opportunity to accumulate such kills, it doesn't mean he's ''better''. The only way to gauge this would be if they directly competed against one another in some sort of exercise. And having not been in battle as long as John-117 would even further lean in favor of Noble Six due to John-117 having more "scars" and health problems due to such prolonged exposure to battle. He may be a SPARTAN but 27 years of straight combat would take its toll, much less so than 10. --[[User talk:Kluutak|Kluutak]] 17:48, 16 February 2012 (EST)
::::''Unyielding Hierophant'' was destroyed by Cortana when she overloaded its 512 reactors by copying herself and overloading its systems, so if anything the credit goes to Cortana. Okay, we'll forget the Hyper-Lethal quote for now. But you still seem to be ignoring the fact that while Master Chief struggled with the Insurrectionists, being captured by them several times, Noble Six destroyed entire resistance groups by himself. And if you ask me 10 years is also plenty of time to  make a name for himself. Obviously Cortana chose him to be her courier for a reason, he's the only other SPARTAN to have been chosen for such a task, she wouldn't have chosen him for no good reason, obviously there was a reason for him being chosen to be her courier, and it was because she knew he was the only one who could do it. Why? Because he is an exceptional SPARTAN. I don't dislike John-117, I actually like him better than Six - but he deserves more credit than he gets, he accomplished amazing feats that often go unrecognized simply because he was outlived by John-117. And even if he has more confirmed kills, which I doubt, it doesn't weigh in on any other fact than John-117 has been in combat longer, and had more opportunity to accumulate such kills, it doesn't mean he's ''better''. The only way to gauge this would be if they directly competed against one another in some sort of exercise. And having not been in battle as long as John-117 would even further lean in favor of Noble Six due to John-117 having more "scars" and health problems due to such prolonged exposure to battle. He may be a SPARTAN but 27 years of straight combat would take its toll, much less so than 10. --[[User talk:Kluutak|Kluutak]] 17:48, 16 February 2012 (EST)
:::::I don't think it's completely fair to compare Six to John because for one thing they are completely different classes of Spartan, so their abilities, strengths and weaknesses are different anyway, before you take into account their individual traits. Another difference is that Six fought mostly Innies for much of his career, only coming up against Covies relatively late on. Meanwhile the Master Chief fought both Rebels and Covenant for long periods of time. Not to mention that John has also battled extensively with the Flood and Sentinels, neither of which Six has ever encountered. So for all we know, if he had lived longer Six could have turned out utterly hopeless in combat against those particular enemies. Also, I just want to point out, technically [[Jorge-052]] destroyed the LNOS, not Six. [[User talk:06fitzjam|06fitzjam]] 17:02, 26 February 2012 (EST)
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