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-*According to [[Bungie]] employee [[David Candland]],<ref name="blam">[http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive36.pl?read=1070818 '''halo.bungie.org''': ''Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore''] (Evil Otto: ''"One of the most striking retcons to me is the basic concept of whole role of humanity. Originally (back in Halo 1) the reason why humans weren't conquered and incorporated into the Covenant collective was because their presence defied Covenant religion. When the Covenant discovered humans, they knew they were forerunners, but their presence implied the "great journey" failed. They also weren't the all powerful gods they worshiped, so the Prophets wanted to "sweep them under the carpet," as it were."'')</ref> Bungie's original intention for the connection between humanity and Forerunners was that they were one and the same; this was hinted repeatedly throughout the ''Halo'' Trilogy<ref name="blam2">[http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive36.pl?read=1070818 '''halo.bungie.org''': ''Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore''] (Evil Otto: ''"The plot lines in our games imply this everywhere - the chief being called reclaimer, only humans being able to retrieve and insert the index, Spark telling the chief, "you are forerunner." etc."'')</ref> and potentially alluded to in [[Joseph Staten]]'s novel ''[[Halo: Contact Harvest]]''. During the development of ''[[Halo 3]]'', this changed so that humans and Forerunners were suggested to be distinct from one another in material released as part of the game's marketing campaign and in the [[terminal]]s found within the game itself without outright confirming it. The Halo: Evolutions story Soma the Painter first confirmed the two species were seperate species and afterwards the books of ''[[The Forerunner Saga]]'' released by [[343 Industries]] expanded greatly on the similarities and difference between both peoples, establishing that the two species were indeed related but distinct and that the actual connection goes far further back than the events in the books, to the time when both species had been created by the Precursors.
+'''See Also: [[Terminal_(Halo_3)#Human-Forerunner_connection|Terminal (Halo 3) Human-Forerunner connection]]'''
+*According to [[Bungie]] employee [[David Candland]],<ref name="blam">[http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive36.pl?read=1070818 '''halo.bungie.org''': ''Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore''] (Evil Otto: ''"One of the most striking retcons to me is the basic concept of whole role of humanity. Originally (back in Halo 1) the reason why humans weren't conquered and incorporated into the Covenant collective was because their presence defied Covenant religion. When the Covenant discovered humans, they knew they were forerunners, but their presence implied the "great journey" failed. They also weren't the all powerful gods they worshiped, so the Prophets wanted to "sweep them under the carpet," as it were."'')</ref> Bungie's original intention for the connection between humanity and Forerunners was that they were one and the same; this was hinted repeatedly throughout the ''Halo'' Trilogy<ref name="blam2">[http://forums.bungie.org/halo/archive36.pl?read=1070818 '''halo.bungie.org''': ''Re: Why retcons don't bother me anymore''] (Evil Otto: ''"The plot lines in our games imply this everywhere - the chief being called reclaimer, only humans being able to retrieve and insert the index, Spark telling the chief, "you are forerunner." etc."'')</ref> and alluded to in [[Joseph Staten]]'s novel ''[[Halo: Contact Harvest]]''. During the development of ''[[Halo 3]]'', Bungie was internally split on the relationship of humans and Forerunners. This has been described as there having been a "Game" team, and a "Terminals" team.{{Ref/Twitter|Id=SplitBungie|docabominable|1603050616028368897|Paul Russel|Quote=From what I have gathered by talking to people involved offline: The game and terminal writers were separate teams with overlap; they didn't think the discrepancy would matter; management vetting never read or cared about continuity...|D=18|M=12|Y=2022}} The "Game" team seemed to continue the original intention, certain dialogue from ''Halo 3's'' story would imply,{{Ref/Twitter|Id=TerminalsAddPrecursors|docabominable|1603095968345620480|Paul Russel|Quote=The way I understand it is that the terminal version is the same but adds the precursor angle of selecting a subset of humans to advance.|D=14|M=12|Y=2022}} while the "Terminals" team added the idea that Forerunners were a "…subset of early humans uplifted by another group (the precursors?)."{{Ref/Twitter|Id=TerminalIntention|docabominable|1603053863866880000|Paul Russel|Quote=One of the writers said that the (terminal) forerunners were a '…subset of early humans uplifted by another group (the precursors?)'. Also 'I don’t believe that management gave a single shit about any story element...they only cared about shipping a game.'|D=18|M=12|Y=2022}}This is echoed in [[Terminal (Halo 3)|''Halo 3's'' terminals]], and also material released as part of the game's marketing campaign,  but such materials do not explicitly comment on the connection between Forerunners and humanity. Because Bungie management were more focused on getting the game finished than canon,{{Ref/Reuse|Id=SplitBungie}} the game shipped with both versions and both were approved.{{Ref/Twitter|Id=BothApproved|docabominable|1602720596328169475|Paul Russel|Quote=I hoped that came across as MAYBE the discrepancy came up and didn’t seem important against everything happening to get a AAA game out the door. I’m trying to be careful to not put words in others mouths. One thing for sure, H3 shipped with both versions and both were approved.|D=13|M=12|Y=2022}}
+** The Halo: Evolutions story Soma the Painter first confirmed the two species were seperate species and afterwards the books of ''[[The Forerunner Saga]]'' released by [[343 Industries]] expanded greatly on the similarities and difference between both peoples, establishing that the two species were indeed related but distinct and that the actual connection goes far further back than the events in the books, to the time when both species had been created by the Precursors.
 **In ''[[Titan (canceled game)|Titan]]'', the canceled ''Halo'' MMO, the Forerunners were depicted as humans with dark skin and white hair, similar to the Atlanteans from Disney's ''[[Wikipedia:Atlantis: The Lost Empire|Atlantis: The Lost Empire]]''. This interspecies resemblance is likely based on Bungie's original intention of the Forerunners being ancient humans.<ref>[http://halo.heavengames.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=halo_mmo_concept_art&id=Forerunner '''Halo Heaven Gallery''': ''Concept Art - Forerunner'']</ref>
+* The Forerunners fill a similar narrative role to the [[marathongame:Jjaro|Jjaro]] from Bungie's ''[[Marathon]]'' trilogy. The Jjaro likewise vanished eons ago but left behind technology which is reverse-engineered by the [[marathongame:Pfhor (Race)|Pfhor]], the primary antagonists of the series and spiritual predecessors to the Covenant. The plot of the third game, ''Marathon Infinity'', involves the escape of a cosmic entity known as the [[marathongame:W'rkncacnter|W'rkncacnter]] through the Pfhor's misuse of an ancient Jjaro superweapon, similar to the Flood's release by the Covenant on Installation 04. The protagonist is effectively an undead cyborg reanimated and augmented through the use of Jjaro technology which enables him to interface with other Jjaro technology, much as the Spartan-IIs were created due to a ''geas'' which enables them to use Forerunner technology.
 *Bungie environment artist [[Paul Russel]] was largely responsible for establishing the Forerunners' architecture and aesthetic. He cited some of his influences as being sails and movie marquees, as well as the works of American architect [[Wikipedia:Frank Lloyd Wright|Frank Lloyd Wright]];<ref>[https://plus.google.com/photos/114253662089061571624/albums/5500017903460396721/5500019592379269010?banner=pwa ''Paul Russel's image album'']</ref> in particular, Wright's use of cantilevers and stained glass windows with repeating geometric patterns of lines in complementary angles. Russel jokingly stated that ''"I also like the idea of Forerunner columns being sausages meticulously and gorgeously wrapped in bacon by Frank Lloyd Wright's genetic precursor. Now that is a tall tale. Because as far as I know, Forerunner architecture is inedible—unless the fans say otherwise."''<ref>'''[[Halo: The Great Journey: The Art of Building Worlds]]''', ''page 28''</ref>
-*The Forerunners fill a similar narrative role to the [[marathongame:Jjaro|Jjaro]] from Bungie's ''[[Marathon]]'' trilogy. The Jjaro likewise vanished eons ago but left behind technology which is reverse-engineered by the [[marathongame:Pfhor (Race)|Pfhor]], the primary antagonists of the series and spiritual predecessors to the Covenant. The plot of the third game, ''Marathon Infinity'', involves the escape of a cosmic entity known as the [[marathongame:W'rkncacnter|W'rkncacnter]] through the Pfhor's misuse of an ancient Jjaro superweapon, similar to the Flood's release by the Covenant on Installation 04. The protagonist is effectively an undead cyborg reanimated and augmented through the use of Jjaro technology which enables him to interface with other Jjaro technology, much as the Spartan-IIs were created due to a ''geas'' which enables them to use Forerunner technology.
+* The Halo: Evolutions story Soma the Painter first confirmed the two species were seperate species and afterwards the books of ''[[The Forerunner Saga]]'' released by [[343 Industries]] expanded greatly on the similarities and difference between both peoples, establishing that the two species were indeed related but distinct and that the actual connection goes far further back than the events in the books, to the time when both species had been created by the Precursors.
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