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==Type-51 Carbine== | ==Type-51 Carbine== | ||
New info from bungie straight form the halo story bible, [http://www.bungie.net/projects/halo3/content.aspx?link=h3carbine Here]. | New info from bungie straight form the halo story bible, [http://www.bungie.net/projects/halo3/content.aspx?link=h3carbine Here]. File:Halo3.comchief.PNG|20px]][[User:EliteSpartan|<b><span style="color: Green">EliteSpartan</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:EliteSpartan|<b><span style="color: Black">My Talk</span></b>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/EliteSpartan|<font color=black>My Contribs</font>]]</sub>File:Private first class.jpg|30px]]File:GDI.jpg|30px]] | ||
==Scope== | ==Scope== | ||
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:Simple: gameplay evidence; it takes more shots in Halo 3 than Halo 2. Since there is no consistency between the two, it can be interpreted that that the strength has been toned down from that as depicted in the novels. Regardless, the citation needed template applies to the whole sentence; it remains that there is no official statement about it is '''only''' the carbine that contributed to the ESRB issue. To put it further and supporting Forerunner's comment, all Covenant weaponry are toned down from their depictions in the novel. To resolve this issue of such insignificance, the sentence has been removed since, 1) as previously explained, and 2) it breaks the fourth wall.— <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 18:26, 19 May 2011 (EDT) | :Simple: gameplay evidence; it takes more shots in Halo 3 than Halo 2. Since there is no consistency between the two, it can be interpreted that that the strength has been toned down from that as depicted in the novels. Regardless, the citation needed template applies to the whole sentence; it remains that there is no official statement about it is '''only''' the carbine that contributed to the ESRB issue. To put it further and supporting Forerunner's comment, all Covenant weaponry are toned down from their depictions in the novel. To resolve this issue of such insignificance, the sentence has been removed since, 1) as previously explained, and 2) it breaks the fourth wall.— <span style="font-size:120%; font-family:Palatino Linotype; font-style:italic;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 18:26, 19 May 2011 (EDT) | ||
Fourth wall? [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 19:53, 19 May 2011 (EDT)! | |||
:There's dismemberment in black ops and that's rated. {{unsigned|173.72.165.136}} | |||
::Yeah, the ESRB argument doesn't hold any water. The M rating really doesn't have very tight restrictions on the amount of graphic violence and gore a developer can put in a game. Plenty of other games get away with much more. Hell, by current standards I think Halo only barely makes an M rating. Remove the blood and Flood dismemberment and it could probably be knocked down to a T.--[[User talk:Darth Oblivion|Darth Oblivion]] 23:11, 30 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
The censoring is partly attributable to graphics. It would take a lot more time and effort to add things like radiation burns, plasma burns, and dismemberment, and in the end such things would not add very much to the story anyway --[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 10:57, 14 November 2011 (EST) | |||
==Covenant Carbine Scope Image== | |||
Does anyone have a screenshot of the sniper's scope of the Covenant Type-51 Carbine? I've been looking around for one, but so far have found nothing yet. Can anyone help out here? I think a screenshot of the Carbine's scope would be a really nice addition to the Gallery section of this article. [[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 13:52, 3 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
== Carbine A Misnomer == | |||
Giving the title of Carbine to this weapon was a misnomer on Bungie's part. A carbine, in military terminology, is a weapon firing a reduced size rifle round designed for used by vehicle crews, rear area troops, cavalry, paratroopers, officers, and anyone who didn't need or want to carry around a full sized rifle (eg. the WWII M1 Carbine). In the present, a carbine is an assault rifle cut down to a convenient size for troops fufilling the above roles, and is also used widely by soldiers operating in closed, urban enviroments (eg., the modern M4 Carbine). The Covenant Carbine fits neither of these descriptions. In usage, it is more akin to a Covenant version of a Battle Rifle or Designated Marksman Rifle. --[[User talk:Sierra 109|Sierra 109]] 11:23, 14 November 2011 (EST) | |||
:Yeah we know dude.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 18:09, 28 October 2012 (EDT) | |||
::Indeed, quite so. But regardless of the misnomer, the name will have to stay. As I'm sure you're aware. --[[User:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] ([[User talk:Xamikaze330|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|contribs]]) 18:46, 28 October 2012 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
:::It could be that its ammunition is considered pistol-caliber by the Sangheili, which would indeed make it fall within the correct definition of a carbine. Still doesn't give a reason as to why they're using carbines as marksman weapons. It could just be that they're a carbine variant of a larger/longer rifle, and the advent of plasma weaponry rendered these longer rifles obsolete, but they still required marksman weapons so they went with the Type-51. You could come up with a million headcanon reasons, but the truth is simply that Bungie didn't have a whole lot of words left to describe it. Personally I would have called it the Fuel Rod Rifle (in contrast to the Fuel Rod Cannon), or maybe give a fake name to the material of the ammunition it uses and call it that + "Rifle".--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 12:43, 1 February 2015 (EST) | |||
== Does not meet standards == | |||
Can somebody clarify on how this page does not meet standards? It's detailed, and from my quick skim over the page, is cited where necessary. http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/9315/signxb.jpg 16:38, 2 June 2013 (EDT) | |||