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I find it difficult to believe two things concerning the Abiter's role in the end of Halo 3. First, how did he know how to get to the bridge? The bridge seems to be located a fair ways away, and being the member of the Covenant, how was the Arbiter able to trace such a lengthy distance through an unfamiliar ship layout in the time he did it in? Further, how is it that the ship was able to be operated by Cortana and the Arbiter alone? A frigate should require at least some sort of crew to operate, and while Cortana could conceivably operate it herself, I find it hard to believe that the Arbiter had enough knowledge of human ship controls to be able to operate it even a little bit. Thoughts? I'm sure fixes can be proposed, but it just stood out as odd to me. | I find it difficult to believe two things concerning the Abiter's role in the end of Halo 3. First, how did he know how to get to the bridge? The bridge seems to be located a fair ways away, and being the member of the Covenant, how was the Arbiter able to trace such a lengthy distance through an unfamiliar ship layout in the time he did it in? Further, how is it that the ship was able to be operated by Cortana and the Arbiter alone? A frigate should require at least some sort of crew to operate, and while Cortana could conceivably operate it herself, I find it hard to believe that the Arbiter had enough knowledge of human ship controls to be able to operate it even a little bit. Thoughts? I'm sure fixes can be proposed, but it just stood out as odd to me. | ||
Well, humans were able to control a Covenant ship, so it could work vice-versa. Also, did Cortana help pilot the ship? Vegerot goes RAWR! | Well, humans were able to control a Covenant ship, so it could work vice-versa. Also, did Cortana help pilot the ship? Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 15:31, 19 August 2011 (EDT)!!! | ||
:Thel has boarded a ship before, a destroyer in 2535; it's quite possible for him to have boarded a frigate at one point during his career, too. Cortana is capable of handling multiple tasks of a wide-range of natures, simultaneously, being a "smart" AI. With a networked, computer-controlled system for engineering and helm control, an AI should, theoretically, be capable of piloting, solo.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 17:18, 19 August 2011 (EDT) | :Thel has boarded a ship before, a destroyer in 2535; it's quite possible for him to have boarded a frigate at one point during his career, too. Cortana is capable of handling multiple tasks of a wide-range of natures, simultaneously, being a "smart" AI. With a networked, computer-controlled system for engineering and helm control, an AI should, theoretically, be capable of piloting, solo.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 17:18, 19 August 2011 (EDT) | ||
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--ACEfanatic02 | --ACEfanatic02 | ||
:We'll take your word for it. ;-) Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|<span style="color: #6262FF; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;">'''RelentlessRecusant'''</span>]] 'o the [[ | :We'll take your word for it. ;-) Cheers, [[user:RelentlessRecusant|<span style="color: #6262FF; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;">'''RelentlessRecusant'''</span>]] 'o the [[halowikia:Halopedia:Administrators|Halopedia Team]] <small><sup>[[user talk:RelentlessRecusant|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub>[http://{{SERVERNAME}}/index.php?title=User_talk:RelentlessRecusant&action=edit§ion=new <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE</font>]</sub></small> 11:47, 23 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
Plus, in the level, [[The Storm | Plus, in the level, [[The Storm]], Lord Hood says, "Kilo 23, this is Forward Unto Dawn..." and a bunch of other crud we don't really care about. --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] <font color="gray"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="If you can see this, you weren't supposed to">23</span></font> http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Blemo <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]</sub></small> • <sub><small>[http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Halo3/Default.aspx?player=Blemo+23 <font color="A9A9A9">SERVICE RECORD</font>]</small></sub> 04:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Some things not quite right. == | == Some things not quite right. == | ||
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In addition to that, "FFG" in modern navies, designates a guided missile frigate. Oh and the description for the battle over the portal is wrong. Not only were there more ships in that location than described, but the three frigates did not fire on any of the Covenant ships - they all specifically targeted Truth in the keyship to try and prevent him from activating the rings. If you watch the cutscene you will notice that none of the Covenant ships are ever damaged in any way. The only explosions are around Truth's keyship. | In addition to that, "FFG" in modern navies, designates a guided missile frigate. Oh and the description for the battle over the portal is wrong. Not only were there more ships in that location than described, but the three frigates did not fire on any of the Covenant ships - they all specifically targeted Truth in the keyship to try and prevent him from activating the rings. If you watch the cutscene you will notice that none of the Covenant ships are ever damaged in any way. The only explosions are around Truth's keyship. | ||
:Well yeah, the radiation hatches are all Archer missile pods. and the ships attacking were all targeting the keyship because they thought it was going to activate the Halos. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]] | :Well yeah, the radiation hatches are all Archer missile pods. and the ships attacking were all targeting the keyship because they thought it was going to activate the Halos. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]]File:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 19:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Forward Unto Dawn == | == Forward Unto Dawn == | ||
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Hey, I don't know how a frigate could possibly store 5 Longswords, but should someone delete the sentence saying that it can hold 5+ Longswords?--[[User talk:Bottletopman|Bottletopman]] 04:36, January 3, 2010 (UTC) | Hey, I don't know how a frigate could possibly store 5 Longswords, but should someone delete the sentence saying that it can hold 5+ Longswords?--[[User talk:Bottletopman|Bottletopman]] 04:36, January 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
In the article, it states both the forward and rear portions of the ''Forward unto Dawn'' went into Slipspace. I was under the impression that, from viewing the part of the ''Dawn'' where it was severed in two in the final Halo 3 trailer, the only the portion of the ''Dawn'' went into slipspace was the forward portion. I also thought the rear portion remained behind with the wrecked Halo and the Ark. Please correct me if my assumptions are incorrect. [[ | In the article, it states both the forward and rear portions of the ''Forward unto Dawn'' went into Slipspace. I was under the impression that, from viewing the part of the ''Dawn'' where it was severed in two in the final Halo 3 trailer, the only the portion of the ''Dawn'' went into slipspace was the forward portion. I also thought the rear portion remained behind with the wrecked Halo and the Ark. Please correct me if my assumptions are incorrect. [[halowikia:User:SPARTAN-118|<font color="#808080">UNSC ''Las Vegas''</font>]] File:Mac.jpg|50px]] <sup>[[User talk:SPARTAN-118|<font color="#808080">'''''Orders/Parking tickets/The letters from the Admiral, regarding regarding the Admiral's Daughter'''''</font>]] </sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SPARTAN-118|<font color="red">'''Maintenance Records/Insurance details'''</font>]]</sup> | ||
It is said on another page that the portal collapsed WHILST the dawn was transitioning through slipspace. I take this to mean that the dawn was in slipspace when the portal collapsed, not that the dawn was halfway into the portal. This would explain the cargo bay portion not floating in space around the ark and instead approching an unknown planet | It is said on another page that the portal collapsed WHILST the dawn was transitioning through slipspace. I take this to mean that the dawn was in slipspace when the portal collapsed, not that the dawn was halfway into the portal. This would explain the cargo bay portion not floating in space around the ark and instead approching an unknown planet | ||
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== The bridge == | == The bridge == | ||
The bridge is still attached to the ship in the opening of Halo 4. But wasn't the Arbiter on the bridge when he returned to Earth in the front section? 343i really got alot wrong.{{unsigned| | The bridge is still attached to the ship in the opening of Halo 4. But wasn't the Arbiter on the bridge when he returned to Earth in the front section? 343i really got alot wrong.{{unsigned|108.66.164.104}} | ||
:That ''was'' the observation deck of the ship, not the bridge. Also, please mark... eh, whatever. -'''{{User|Killjax}}''' | :That ''was'' the observation deck of the ship, not the bridge. Also, please mark... eh, whatever. -'''{{User|Killjax}}''' | ||
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It's clearly identified as the Obervation Deck in Halo 4 (plus look around inside it there are no bridge consoles or instruments). In the books (Cole Protocol I believe) it is clearly stated that all UNSC ships have their bridges at the Bow of the vessel. And the Arbiter was clearly seen inside the bridge leaving 04B and made it to earth in the Bow of the ship. Therefore the bridge is at the bow of the vessel. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] ([[User talk:VARGR|talk]]) 09:16, 16 January 2013 (EST) | It's clearly identified as the Obervation Deck in Halo 4 (plus look around inside it there are no bridge consoles or instruments). In the books (Cole Protocol I believe) it is clearly stated that all UNSC ships have their bridges at the Bow of the vessel. And the Arbiter was clearly seen inside the bridge leaving 04B and made it to earth in the Bow of the ship. Therefore the bridge is at the bow of the vessel. [[User:VARGR|VARGR]] ([[User talk:VARGR|talk]]) 09:16, 16 January 2013 (EST) | ||
:The original location of the bridge for the frigate (in its original design) is located near the dish ( | :The original location of the bridge for the frigate (in its original design) is located near the dish (quick example). It is nowhere near the bow. This is established by Halo 2's [[Cairo_Station#Return_to_Sender|Return to Sender]] cutscene when the Chief landed on the ''IAC'''s bridge (at least for the Stalwart, but I'm willing to bet it's the same for all UNSC frigates). However, again, this is the original design and is no longer ''good'' canon. 343i's design would take over, suggesting that the bridge is now... well... anybody's speculation. In other words, '''retcon'''. As for the ending cutscene in Halo 3 and the Arbiter's location inconsistency, that is simply an oversight on Bungie's part. However, it has been a spreading speculation by the fans that he moved as the ship entered into slipspace... that or if you would prefer Tucker's explanation. :P | ||
:Would love to have a page reference of Cole Protocol. I would think that applies only to cruisers (i.e. POA). — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 10:56, 16 January 2013 (EST) | :Would love to have a page reference of Cole Protocol. I would think that applies only to cruisers (i.e. POA). — <span style="font-size:14px; font-family:Arial;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 10:56, 16 January 2013 (EST) | ||
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==Possible mistranslation== | ==Possible mistranslation== | ||
Hi there, what adjunct of Halo: First Strike says the debris from the ''Forward Unto Dawn'' were auctioned? I looked in the French version and I found nothing. [[Special:Contributions/88.120.49.44|88.120.49.44]] 17:03, 9 November 2015 (EST). | Hi there, what adjunct of Halo: First Strike says the debris from the ''Forward Unto Dawn'' were auctioned? I looked in the French version and I found nothing. [[Special:Contributions/88.120.49.44|88.120.49.44]] 17:03, 9 November 2015 (EST). | ||
:I checked my copy and didn't find anything. I assumed it'd in "[[Petra]]" since that one's post-war but I didn't see anything about auctioning. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 18:06, 9 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::I was all but certain it would be mentioned in ''Petra'' but apparently it isn't. Weird. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 00:29, 10 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:::Tug o' War takes place after the war and it involves salvaging ships, might be in there. [[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] - [[Blue Team|Team Chief]] 01:01, 10 November 2015 (EST) | |||
:::Nothing in ''[[Tug o' War]]'' either. The ''Dawn'' is mentioned twice by name in ''Petra'' but there's no mention of auctioning. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 01:12, 10 November 2015 (EST) | |||
::::Thank you very much for your help. Once again, you helped me.. [[Special:Contributions/88.120.49.44|88.120.49.44]] 09:35, 10 November 2015 (EST). | |||