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File:Pelican and warthog.jpg|thumb|Do you want this picture in this page?]]Can you but the UNSC Ranks up please! Stocky 11:17am 22 December 2006 | |||
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Hey is the ship list up to date? What about that new ship ''Spirit of Fire''--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 01:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | Hey is the ship list up to date? What about that new ship ''Spirit of Fire''--[[User:JohnSpartan117|JohnSpartan117]] 01:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
:Yes. it has already been added. -[[User:ED|ED]] 01:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | :Yes. it has already been added. -[[User:ED|ED]] 01:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | ||
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they probaly finised it while the story was focused away from Earth,like in halo 1 or first strike,are all the new weapons and armour was given to the troops at Earth [[User:Voy101|Voy101]] | they probaly finised it while the story was focused away from Earth,like in halo 1 or first strike,are all the new weapons and armour was given to the troops at Earth [[User:Voy101|Voy101]] | ||
Well, the pillar of autumn, which was at least 20-25 years old, was probably stocked with older weapons and equiptment, like armor. | |||
EXAMPLE: in <u>Halo: Contact Harvest </u>there are hornets, battle rifles, and other things such a brutes and engineers. and yet, Halo CE happens way after that and there is no BRs, No Hornets, And no Brutes. | |||
Does that help at all? [[User talk:Contrarytoreason|Contrarytoreason]] 22:44, September 20, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== UNSC = American controlled Universe. == | == UNSC = American controlled Universe. == | ||
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== UNSCDF template? == | == UNSCDF template? == | ||
What about a template at the bottom of the [[UNSC Army|Army]], [[UNSC Marine Corps|Marine]] and [[UNSC Navy|Navy]] articles, with the other branches, under the [[UNSC]]? | What about a template at the bottom of the [[UNSC Army|Army]], [[UNSC Marine Corps|Marine]] and [[UNSC Navy|Navy]] articles, with the other branches, under the [[UNSC]]? File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 07:16, 16 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
== UEG? == | == UEG? == | ||
My Halo 1 manual mentions that the Warthog is the standard vehicle of the ''UEG'' instead of UNSC. is this a typo, or a legitimate organisation? | My Halo 1 manual mentions that the Warthog is the standard vehicle of the ''UEG'' instead of UNSC. is this a typo, or a legitimate organisation? File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 08:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Or the ''U''nited ''E''arth ''G''overnment? | :Or the ''U''nited ''E''arth ''G''overnment? File:HalfJaw03.jpg|20px]] '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Kora ‘Morhekee]]</font>''' ''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>The Battle-Net</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>My Conquests.</font>]]'' 19:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
::Mine has UNSC in it,but you could be talking about the Xbox version,i got the PC version [[User:Voy101|Voy101]] | ::Mine has UNSC in it,but you could be talking about the Xbox version,i got the PC version [[User:Voy101|Voy101]] | ||
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wheres the rest of the planets in are system?don't you think that the UNSC would hold those too? [[User:Voy101|Voy101]] | wheres the rest of the planets in are system?don't you think that the UNSC would hold those too? [[User:Voy101|Voy101]] | ||
Thing is, we don't know for sure if the other planets were even colonized. For instance, we've never heard of Venus being occupied by the UNSC. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | Thing is, we don't know for sure if the other planets were even colonized. For instance, we've never heard of Venus being occupied by the UNSC. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 15:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC) | ||
Mars is colonized. It has been referred to several times. However, I do not know about the other planets, although I'm going to assume that most of them have at least some settlements on either the main body, their moons, or both. It just doesn't make sense for us to have started settlements hundreds of light years from the sun without first colonizing terrestrial bodies in our own solar system. [[User:Edmonton guy|Edmonton guy]] 20:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC) | Mars is colonized. It has been referred to several times. However, I do not know about the other planets, although I'm going to assume that most of them have at least some settlements on either the main body, their moons, or both. It just doesn't make sense for us to have started settlements hundreds of light years from the sun without first colonizing terrestrial bodies in our own solar system. [[User:Edmonton guy|Edmonton guy]] 20:41, 26 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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about three of the planets in our solar system are gas giants so there off the table.moons of saturn and jupiter like europa and titan would be terraformable. then again how did they get terraform tech they dont seem advanced enough to do so. [[User talk:DeadReanimation|DeadReanimation]] 20:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC) | about three of the planets in our solar system are gas giants so there off the table.moons of saturn and jupiter like europa and titan would be terraformable. then again how did they get terraform tech they dont seem advanced enough to do so. [[User talk:DeadReanimation|DeadReanimation]] 20:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
Moons and small planetoids are habitable, but don't write off gas giants just yet. Tobias Buckell has written some (from what I've heard) quite excellent steampunk science fiction about colonists inhabiting the upper atmosphere of a gas giant. As for terraforming "equipment", I don't think its actually a "pump in read-made atmosphere, plant a few forests, and voila" kind of process. At first, it would be more using the most advanced technology to slowly get the environment to ''only'' a harsh state, where life for the simplest organisms is difficult, but not impossible. Afterward, genetically engineered bacteria would be introduced to further modify the planetary environment; then plants, to produce a breathable atmosphere; then animals to support the ecosystem; and then, finally, full colonisation. The process would be a multigenerational one, spanning decades, if not centuries. By 2552, the process might still be ongoing. We know from Contact Harvest that the UNSC chooses planets that are already able to support lifeforms, cutting the time for terraforming, but it would still be a long time. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | Moons and small planetoids are habitable, but don't write off gas giants just yet. Tobias Buckell has written some (from what I've heard) quite excellent steampunk science fiction about colonists inhabiting the upper atmosphere of a gas giant. As for terraforming "equipment", I don't think its actually a "pump in read-made atmosphere, plant a few forests, and voila" kind of process. At first, it would be more using the most advanced technology to slowly get the environment to ''only'' a harsh state, where life for the simplest organisms is difficult, but not impossible. Afterward, genetically engineered bacteria would be introduced to further modify the planetary environment; then plants, to produce a breathable atmosphere; then animals to support the ecosystem; and then, finally, full colonisation. The process would be a multigenerational one, spanning decades, if not centuries. By 2552, the process might still be ongoing. We know from Contact Harvest that the UNSC chooses planets that are already able to support lifeforms, cutting the time for terraforming, but it would still be a long time. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 00:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Weapons == | == Weapons == | ||
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We know that the [[UNSC]] was formed by the [[UN]] during the [[Argyre Planitia Campaign]] on [[Mars]] in [[2163]]. A lot of people take that the UNSC still belongs to the UN - it doesn't! Although the UNSC pertained to the UN at the time of its establishment in 2163, it does not pertain to the UN anymore because the UN was replaced by the [[CAA]] (we don't know when exactly, but we could assume it was sometime in the 2160's). Thus, stating that the UNSC is the military arm of the UN is incorrect. The UNSC is the military/navigational arm of the CAA, the UN doesn't exist anymore. On a conclusive note the UN does not exist anymore in Halo. | We know that the [[UNSC]] was formed by the [[UN]] during the [[Argyre Planitia Campaign]] on [[Mars]] in [[2163]]. A lot of people take that the UNSC still belongs to the UN - it doesn't! Although the UNSC pertained to the UN at the time of its establishment in 2163, it does not pertain to the UN anymore because the UN was replaced by the [[CAA]] (we don't know when exactly, but we could assume it was sometime in the 2160's). Thus, stating that the UNSC is the military arm of the UN is incorrect. The UNSC is the military/navigational arm of the CAA, the UN doesn't exist anymore. On a conclusive note the UN does not exist anymore in Halo. | ||
Of course my theory can ultimately be proved as being incorrect, we just have to see if Mr. Staten can clear things up in [[Halo: Contact Harvest]]. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | Of course my theory can ultimately be proved as being incorrect, we just have to see if Mr. Staten can clear things up in [[Halo: Contact Harvest]]. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 17:27, 16 October 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Update the Colony Systems and Planets == | == Update the Colony Systems and Planets == | ||
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Shouldn't we update the colony systems, cities and planets section with new information? [[Halo 3]] and [[Halo: Contact Harvest]] have been released, so we have to update the section with new info. We can search for info in one of our categories: | Shouldn't we update the colony systems, cities and planets section with new information? [[Halo 3]] and [[Halo: Contact Harvest]] have been released, so we have to update the section with new info. We can search for info in one of our categories: | ||
*http:// | *http://halopedian.com/Category:Places | ||
*http:// | *http://halopedian.com/Category:Countries | ||
*http:// | *http://halopedian.com/Category:Planets | ||
*http:// | *http://halopedian.com/Category:Cities | ||
Cheers! --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | Cheers! --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 17:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Something new? == | == Something new? == | ||
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Anyone have a link for why it says that 200 million is an estimate of the humans left? The USA alone has 200 000 000+ citizens, so I highly doubt that only 200 000 000 are left in the entire galaxy. | Anyone have a link for why it says that 200 million is an estimate of the humans left? The USA alone has 200 000 000+ citizens, so I highly doubt that only 200 000 000 are left in the entire galaxy. | ||
--[[ | --[[halofanon:SPARTAN-G023|<font color="#000000">Petty Officer First Class </font>]]File:Spartan III.png|30px]][[User:Spartan G-23|<font color="#000000">SPARTAN-G023</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spartan G-23|<font color="#006400"> Comm Channel </font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartan G-23|<font color="#000000">Mission History</font>]]</sub> 20:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:I believe it's in the Bestiarum. The Covenant have destroyed an awful lot. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 16:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | :I believe it's in the Bestiarum. The Covenant have destroyed an awful lot. --<b>[[User:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c</font>laws</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Dragonclaws|<font color="#4D56B1">talk</font>]])</sup></b> 16:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
::I guess, but I still find it very hard to believe that only 200 million are left.--[[ | ::I guess, but I still find it very hard to believe that only 200 million are left.--[[halofanon:SPARTAN-G023|<font color="#000000">Petty Officer First Class </font>]]File:Spartan III.png|30px]][[User:Spartan G-23|<font color="#000000">SPARTAN-G023</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spartan G-23|<font color="#006400"> Comm Channel </font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartan G-23|<font color="#000000">Mission History</font>]]</sub> 23:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
:::200 Million referrs exclusively to Earth. The remaining colonies and their populations were not counted. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]] | :::200 Million referrs exclusively to Earth. The remaining colonies and their populations were not counted. --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="black">E</font>]][[User talk:ED|<font color="black">D</font>]]File:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]]</b> 00:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
200 millions on earth not in all more on other colony left[[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="SteelBlue">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="#A9A9A9">F</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color=Teal>0</font>]] | 200 millions on earth not in all more on other colony left[[User:Chief frank 001|<font color="SteelBlue">C</font>]][[User talk:Chief frank 001|<font color="#A9A9A9">F</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Chief frank 001|<font color=Teal>0</font>]]UoH/A Company|<font color=Teal>0</font>]][[Special:Editcount/Chief frank 001|<font color=Teal>1</font>]]</sup> 00:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
Do we have a specific number for pre-war population? I've heard figures ranging from 7 billion to 13 billion. Is there any definite number? '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 22:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | Do we have a specific number for pre-war population? I've heard figures ranging from 7 billion to 13 billion. Is there any definite number? '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 22:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
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::WOW...nice. This reminds me of Frankie's explanation of how the melee worked, hahaha. Good job. [[User:Meshgeroya|Meshgeroya]] 05:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC) | ::WOW...nice. This reminds me of Frankie's explanation of how the melee worked, hahaha. Good job. [[User:Meshgeroya|Meshgeroya]] 05:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
There are only 200 million humans left at the beginning of Halo 3. It says so in the beastiurum. Parts of Earth have been | There are only 200 million humans left at the beginning of Halo 3. It says so in the beastiurum. Parts of Earth have been completely glassed (as stated by Frankie in the "journey's end" vidoc. Only 200 million humans remain, live with it. | ||
User: CaptainZoidberg. 21:49, 3 May 2009. | User: CaptainZoidberg. 21:49, 3 May 2009. | ||
There's no way humanity had a population of up to 365 trillion. That's sheer ridiculous. I think you guys are abusing your logic. The Earth's population rate at the moment will in no way reflect the rate in the future. Look at China today: 1.3 billion people and a total land mass of >6.5% of the entire land mass of the Earth. While you can fit a lot of people in a very small space, you can't do it comfortably. And isn't the quality of life supposed to increase as the world develops over time? China's population is declining because they applied population control; it's something mean and nasty at first, but people will come to recognize it as the best solution. I imagine many nations in the future will have recognized and implemented this. The point is, the growth rate by no doubt will have slowed down. | |||
http://www.halopedia.org/images/0/05/WorldPopGrowth.gif | |||
This shows that developed countries have drastically lower birth rates. Is our world not evolving? | |||
Also the image below shows the Covenant's deployment on Earth. It hits half the major population centers of today (which would likely be similar in the future). | |||
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc386/DustinNugget/CovenantEarthDeployment.jpg | |||
I'm not sure how exactly they killed off so many. Covenant glassing has been revised many times, so it's unclear if the Covenant were able to do this massacre via glassing. Truth only had roughly 30 ships after taking out the rest of the UNSC home fleet. However, plasma-nuclear bombs have been seen going off during a Halo Reach cut scene. It is possible that after the early stages of the war, the Covenant started to use those as a means of extermination rather than particle beams. | |||
[[User talk:DustinNugget|DustinNugget]] 3:50, 13 November 2012 (EST) | |||
==Major UNSC Events== | ==Major UNSC Events== | ||
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:Hey, nobody thought Al Qaeda could strike at the US like they did. Terrorists have a way of proving everybody tragically wrong in their understanding of their capabilities. I personally find it all too easy to believe that even in Reach's system, the Innies have (or [[Covenant|Had]]) a foothold. But Eridanus is a constellation, not a cluster of planets - the stars within it can be a long way away from each other, and have, I think, 106 stars. Any of those could be [[Eridanus Secundus]] and [[Epsilon Eridanus System|Epsilon Eridanus]]. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC) | :Hey, nobody thought Al Qaeda could strike at the US like they did. Terrorists have a way of proving everybody tragically wrong in their understanding of their capabilities. I personally find it all too easy to believe that even in Reach's system, the Innies have (or [[Covenant|Had]]) a foothold. But Eridanus is a constellation, not a cluster of planets - the stars within it can be a long way away from each other, and have, I think, 106 stars. Any of those could be [[Eridanus Secundus]] and [[Epsilon Eridanus System|Epsilon Eridanus]]. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC) | ||
:Uh... Eridanus II isn't in the same system. <_< -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]] | :Uh... Eridanus II isn't in the same system. <_< -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]]File:General-gr1.gif|30px]]</b> 01:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
::That's what I'm saying. They're not the same system, but they are a part of the same [[Wikipedia:Eridanus|Constellation]]. A constellation is only a group of stars seen from Earth - they don't even have to be anywhere near each other, as long as they form a picture from Earth. And the references to Epsilon Eridanus, I think, were meant to be [[Epsilon Eridani]] instead. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 07:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | ::That's what I'm saying. They're not the same system, but they are a part of the same [[Wikipedia:Eridanus|Constellation]]. A constellation is only a group of stars seen from Earth - they don't even have to be anywhere near each other, as long as they form a picture from Earth. And the references to Epsilon Eridanus, I think, were meant to be [[Epsilon Eridani]] instead. '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 07:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:::Actually, I was wrong. They are in the same system. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]] | :::Actually, I was wrong. They are in the same system. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]]File:General-gr1.gif|30px]]</b> 03:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
== USSR == | == USSR == | ||
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Sorry, but no. The Cold War happened, Mother Russia shredded itself apart, and the communists are still [[Koslovics|terrorists]]. On the bright side, at least there's no official [[United Republic of North America|America]]! '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | Sorry, but no. The Cold War happened, Mother Russia shredded itself apart, and the communists are still [[Koslovics|terrorists]]. On the bright side, at least there's no official [[United Republic of North America|America]]! '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 01:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
:I resent that. >:[ -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]] | :I resent that. >:[ -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]]File:General-gr1.gif|30px]]</b> 01:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Which one? The Communist part or the American part? :P '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 07:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | ::Which one? The Communist part or the American part? :P '''[[User:Specops306|<font color=purple>Specops306]]</font>''', '''''[[User talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Kora]]</font> [[Special:Contributions/Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 07:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
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:::I resent the American part [[User:Voy101|Voy101]] | :::I resent the American part [[User:Voy101|Voy101]] | ||
Communists were beaten off for good during the [[Interplanetary War]], so there's no way the Soviet Union would still exist. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | Communists were beaten off for good during the [[Interplanetary War]], so there's no way the Soviet Union would still exist. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 08:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
It isn't confirmed that the USSR doesn't exist in the Halo universe, but judging from the events in the Interplanetary War and the information in Contact Harvest, it seems very unlikely that they do. But we do atleast know for sure that the US doesn't exist anymore :-D [[User talk:Baryon15|Baryon15]] 19:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC) | It isn't confirmed that the USSR doesn't exist in the Halo universe, but judging from the events in the Interplanetary War and the information in Contact Harvest, it seems very unlikely that they do. But we do atleast know for sure that the US doesn't exist anymore :-D [[User talk:Baryon15|Baryon15]] 19:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Jake | Jake | ||
:It's not overlapping the title. Adjust your screen resolution. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]] | :It's not overlapping the title. Adjust your screen resolution. -- <b>[[User:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">Sgt.</font>]][[User talk:Sgt.johnson|<font color="Black">johnson</font>]]File:General-gr1.gif|30px]]</b> 22:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC) | ||
My screen resolution is 1024 x 768 a very common screen resolution. The fact remains that some of these icons can be removed so the title can be seen better. | My screen resolution is 1024 x 768 a very common screen resolution. The fact remains that some of these icons can be removed so the title can be seen better. | ||
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Here's my new theory: The United Nations Space Command is the name of the state, with the UNSC Defense Force as their military arm. The governing body is the U.N, the UEG is simply the name of Earth's local government. The CAA is the executive branch, responsible for making minor descisions, and putting laws made by the legislative branch (United Nations Parliament?) into practice. Different colonies have their own names for their local governments, ie: Harvest Parliament, United Earth Government.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 14:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC) | Here's my new theory: The United Nations Space Command is the name of the state, with the UNSC Defense Force as their military arm. The governing body is the U.N, the UEG is simply the name of Earth's local government. The CAA is the executive branch, responsible for making minor descisions, and putting laws made by the legislative branch (United Nations Parliament?) into practice. Different colonies have their own names for their local governments, ie: Harvest Parliament, United Earth Government.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 14:03, 28 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
:No. [http://halostory.bungie.org/oconnor_mclees_080508.html Click here] --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | :No. [http://halostory.bungie.org/oconnor_mclees_080508.html Click here] --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 15:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Hmm, even so, in ''[[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]'', characters seem to refer to the UNSC as the state even before the Covenant attack Harvest.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 15:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC) | ::Hmm, even so, in ''[[Halo: The Fall of Reach]]'', characters seem to refer to the UNSC as the state even before the Covenant attack Harvest.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 15:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC) | ||
From what I can gather from the novels and whatnot, each planet has its own regional government - Earth has the United Nations, which in turn governs the separate nation-states; Harvest had its own parliament but, being a still new and small colony, had yet to develop any individual nations; while Reach, being essentially one giant military base, would be under a military government. After that, each planet us under the Unified Earth Government, the space oversight and exploration arm of which is the CAA- of which the UNSC is the colonial police branch, and the UNSCDF is the military sub-branch. Then, during the war, the UEG and CAA are basically dissolved and the UNSC takes charge as a military "dictatorship" (I don't actually know if it's a dictatorship or not, or even how much influence the UNSC actually has over civilians, but the word seems to fit). Confused? I wouldn't blame you. It makes you wonder if those Insurrectionists didn't have the right idea! ^_^ -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | From what I can gather from the novels and whatnot, each planet has its own regional government - Earth has the United Nations, which in turn governs the separate nation-states; Harvest had its own parliament but, being a still new and small colony, had yet to develop any individual nations; while Reach, being essentially one giant military base, would be under a military government. After that, each planet us under the Unified Earth Government, the space oversight and exploration arm of which is the CAA- of which the UNSC is the colonial police branch, and the UNSCDF is the military sub-branch. Then, during the war, the UEG and CAA are basically dissolved and the UNSC takes charge as a military "dictatorship" (I don't actually know if it's a dictatorship or not, or even how much influence the UNSC actually has over civilians, but the word seems to fit). Confused? I wouldn't blame you. It makes you wonder if those Insurrectionists didn't have the right idea! ^_^ -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 05:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
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*Perhaps [[Harvest]] was the farthest colony from [[Earth]], ''in one direction''. By the way, [[Lambda Serpentis System|Lambda Serpentis]] is an [[Outer Colonies|Outer Colony]]. The farthest UNSC colony yet known is [[Beta Centauri]], at five hundred or-so light years from Earth. This might seem a bit too far for UNSC slipspace drives, but if you do the maths it would take less than a year to reach that star. Read page twenty-four of ''[[Halo: Contact Harvest]]'' if you don't believe me.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 15:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC) | *Perhaps [[Harvest]] was the farthest colony from [[Earth]], ''in one direction''. By the way, [[Lambda Serpentis System|Lambda Serpentis]] is an [[Outer Colonies|Outer Colony]]. The farthest UNSC colony yet known is [[Beta Centauri]], at five hundred or-so light years from Earth. This might seem a bit too far for UNSC slipspace drives, but if you do the maths it would take less than a year to reach that star. Read page twenty-four of ''[[Halo: Contact Harvest]]'' if you don't believe me.--[[User:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 15:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
::Perhaps the Inner Colonies expanded to include some of the more developed Outer Colonies? Harvest was the furthest colony from Earth in 2468, when it was founded. Obviously more were founded further after Harvest. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | ::Perhaps the Inner Colonies expanded to include some of the more developed Outer Colonies? Harvest was the furthest colony from Earth in 2468, when it was founded. Obviously more were founded further after Harvest. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=blue>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=purple>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=blue>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 23:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::Alternatively, "Inner" and "Outer" may not refer to position relative to Earth, but to infrastructure - planets such as Sigma Octanus IV were much further than Harvest, yet were regarded as "Inner" colonies, while Harvest was almost as close to Earth as Reach was yet is an "Outer" colony. The Inner Colonies may be comparable to modern national infrastructure - First World nations are the most built up and technologically/socially advanced, while Third World nations are nowhere near. Geographically, too, most Third World nations seem to be in the southern hemisphere, while most First-World nations are in the north - Australia and New Zealand defy that convention. Perhaps this is just the same concept being applied in interstellar space? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[ | :::Alternatively, "Inner" and "Outer" may not refer to position relative to Earth, but to infrastructure - planets such as Sigma Octanus IV were much further than Harvest, yet were regarded as "Inner" colonies, while Harvest was almost as close to Earth as Reach was yet is an "Outer" colony. The Inner Colonies may be comparable to modern national infrastructure - First World nations are the most built up and technologically/socially advanced, while Third World nations are nowhere near. Geographically, too, most Third World nations seem to be in the southern hemisphere, while most First-World nations are in the north - Australia and New Zealand defy that convention. Perhaps this is just the same concept being applied in interstellar space? -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]] - ''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]'' <sup>''[[halofanon:Operation: HOT GATES|<u><font color=purple>Honour Light Your Way!</font></u>]]''</sup></b> 03:18, September 17, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Based on new information from the [[Halo Encyclopedia]], the organization section may require a re-think.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 19:42, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | Based on new information from the [[Halo Encyclopedia (2009 edition)]], the organization section may require a re-think.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 19:42, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I'm not sure that book can be used as information. For an explanation, see the talk page for it.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 20:09, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | :I'm not sure that book can be used as information. For an explanation, see the talk page for it.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 20:09, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::I have read the argument, but everything it tells us is canon '''unless it contradicts with previously established canon'''. That is our [[Halopedia:Canon | ::I have read the argument, but everything it tells us is canon '''unless it contradicts with previously established canon'''. That is our [[Halopedia:Canon policy|policy]].--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 21:48, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::Didn`t it retcon the established canon? * SgtSalty | :::Didn`t it retcon the established canon? * SgtSalty | ||
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::::::To summarise: To continue the war, you need money and resources. Ignore the UEG, you don't get the money and resources. If the UEG cannot lend any money/resources, UNSC had to use whatever they have left to continue the war. In the words of Sun Tzu: ''"Always think of your soldiers and their needs"''. Plus, you have the URF who is already pissed at the UNSC. So, why do you want to be a military leader? All those burden on your hands and you want to continue the war? I call that idiocy.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 00:49, December 23, 2009 (UTC) | ::::::To summarise: To continue the war, you need money and resources. Ignore the UEG, you don't get the money and resources. If the UEG cannot lend any money/resources, UNSC had to use whatever they have left to continue the war. In the words of Sun Tzu: ''"Always think of your soldiers and their needs"''. Plus, you have the URF who is already pissed at the UNSC. So, why do you want to be a military leader? All those burden on your hands and you want to continue the war? I call that idiocy.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 00:49, December 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::::The UNSC absorbed most of the political power of the UEG as an emergency measure in order to more easily pass military deployment orders without going about a complicated bureaucracy involving a multinational democratic system like the UN and the UEG that could slow down the process of rapid military intervention on short notice. Bear in mind that the CAA, apparently, isn't all that sympathetic towards the Earth government, possibly even funding and supporting rebel activities in the colonies, and proved resistant to the UNSC's intention of political absorption. This prompted the UNSC to forcefully take over the CAA given its record of dissension and fraternization with colonial elements so as to, again, work its way around a snail-paced democratic system and more easily command naval and ground forces against impending Covenant invasions. | :::::::The UNSC absorbed most of the political power of the UEG as an emergency measure in order to more easily pass military deployment orders without going about a complicated bureaucracy involving a multinational democratic system like the UN and the UEG that could slow down the process of rapid military intervention on short notice. Bear in mind that the CAA, apparently, isn't all that sympathetic towards the Earth government, possibly even funding and supporting rebel activities in the colonies, and proved resistant to the UNSC's intention of political absorption. This prompted the UNSC to forcefully take over the CAA given its record of dissension and fraternization with colonial elements so as to, again, work its way around a snail-paced democratic system and more easily command naval and ground forces against impending Covenant invasions. | ||
:::::::On a short conclusion: the UEG willingly gave up its power to the UNSC while the CAA, known for its potential sponsorship of rebellious colonists, smirked in the face of a political absorption deemed necessary by the ''UEG itself'', thereby prompting the UNSC to more aggressively instate its absorption over the CAA. There's not much to say here other than the fact that the UNSC performed an act agreed upon by the UEG but not fully supported by the CAA. Nothing "evil" going on. Just a bit of a misunderstanding between two doctrinally-divergent parties. Personally, I think this whole section reeks of conspiracism. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | :::::::On a short conclusion: the UEG willingly gave up its power to the UNSC while the CAA, known for its potential sponsorship of rebellious colonists, smirked in the face of a political absorption deemed necessary by the ''UEG itself'', thereby prompting the UNSC to more aggressively instate its absorption over the CAA. There's not much to say here other than the fact that the UNSC performed an act agreed upon by the UEG but not fully supported by the CAA. Nothing "evil" going on. Just a bit of a misunderstanding between two doctrinally-divergent parties. Personally, I think this whole section reeks of conspiracism. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 01:14, December 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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::::Well, we were still using musket bullets five hundred years ago, about the time Hernando Cortes sailed for Mexico. For at least five hundred years we've been using the same basic design of riflepower: gunpowder and a small round or cylindrical-shaped projectile known as a bullet. This simplistic design was more than enough to allow us to kill each other in the order of millions, much more than we'd ever dreamed could be possible by using the sword or the arrow. And what we couldn't satisfyingly kill with riflepower alone, we let [[Nuke|other weapons]] do the job for us. My point is bullets and gunpowder have served us fine up to now, and will continue to serve us fine as long as we feel comfortable with the design. | ::::Well, we were still using musket bullets five hundred years ago, about the time Hernando Cortes sailed for Mexico. For at least five hundred years we've been using the same basic design of riflepower: gunpowder and a small round or cylindrical-shaped projectile known as a bullet. This simplistic design was more than enough to allow us to kill each other in the order of millions, much more than we'd ever dreamed could be possible by using the sword or the arrow. And what we couldn't satisfyingly kill with riflepower alone, we let [[Nuke|other weapons]] do the job for us. My point is bullets and gunpowder have served us fine up to now, and will continue to serve us fine as long as we feel comfortable with the design. | ||
::::Plasma material is something we don't completely control or understand in order to produce weaponry similar to the Covenant's, so we stick to the age-old lead and metal framework, which, by the way, has proven very efficient even in the face of the Covenant. Furthermore, sci-fi culture usually places such futuristic designs as plasma and laser military technology in the hands of superior empires and militaries, e.g. ''aliens'', to create a sentiment of familiarity with our future ascendants. This is the case of Halo as well. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | ::::Plasma material is something we don't completely control or understand in order to produce weaponry similar to the Covenant's, so we stick to the age-old lead and metal framework, which, by the way, has proven very efficient even in the face of the Covenant. Furthermore, sci-fi culture usually places such futuristic designs as plasma and laser military technology in the hands of superior empires and militaries, e.g. ''aliens'', to create a sentiment of familiarity with our future ascendants. This is the case of Halo as well. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 07:50, December 24, 2009 (UTC) | ||
well good point I guess... | well good point I guess... | ||
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:::Unitedblah<nowiki>:</nowiki> Not only that, if you don't need it, you aren't gonna buy it, and if you do, you probably are going to take your sweet time developing it to its greatest potential, because there is no pressing need to eliminate or at least hold off a greater enemy. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 16:50, December 25, 2009 (UTC) | :::Unitedblah<nowiki>:</nowiki> Not only that, if you don't need it, you aren't gonna buy it, and if you do, you probably are going to take your sweet time developing it to its greatest potential, because there is no pressing need to eliminate or at least hold off a greater enemy. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 16:50, December 25, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::What would be inhumane? --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | ::::What would be inhumane? --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 20:43, December 24, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::Using plasma-based weaponry which burns people if hit, not to mention the amount of radiation absorbed by the body if the victim survive the hit and the fact that it could cleanly ''"erase"'' a body part would be inhumane in my opinion.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 13:14, December 25, 2009 (UTC) | :::::Using plasma-based weaponry which burns people if hit, not to mention the amount of radiation absorbed by the body if the victim survive the hit and the fact that it could cleanly ''"erase"'' a body part would be inhumane in my opinion.<b>[[User:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">外<font color="#9BDDFF">国</font>人</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:-Ascension-|<font color="#5D8AA8">7alk</font>]])</sup></b> 13:14, December 25, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::::::Yeah, right. Flamethrowers are an effective psychological and physical weapon that have been used since the Pacific Campaign and are still being employed by the UNSC. We used the most efficient psychological murder weapon against two Japanese cities and killed thousands of non-combatants. We, as a species, are hardly entitled to judge what would be inhumane when it comes to military technology and its usage. If we fully understood the mechanics of plasma material and the tactics behind using it, I'm sure we would have initiated the necessary development programs to start producing plasma rifles as part of mass military fabrication lines. Four hundred years: that's approximately the time span of UNSC history. We haven't seen ''any'' trace of human plasma weapon development in canon so far. That's reason to believe we simply didn't think about plasma as a means of feeding weapons, we're just very comfortable with the old gunpowder design, or we don't understand the workings of plasma. But we did create an FTL engine, so the latter possibility looks shaky. I'm sticking to the comfort-oriented option. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | ::::::Yeah, right. Flamethrowers are an effective psychological and physical weapon that have been used since the Pacific Campaign and are still being employed by the UNSC. We used the most efficient psychological murder weapon against two Japanese cities and killed thousands of non-combatants. We, as a species, are hardly entitled to judge what would be inhumane when it comes to military technology and its usage. If we fully understood the mechanics of plasma material and the tactics behind using it, I'm sure we would have initiated the necessary development programs to start producing plasma rifles as part of mass military fabrication lines. Four hundred years: that's approximately the time span of UNSC history. We haven't seen ''any'' trace of human plasma weapon development in canon so far. That's reason to believe we simply didn't think about plasma as a means of feeding weapons, we're just very comfortable with the old gunpowder design, or we don't understand the workings of plasma. But we did create an FTL engine, so the latter possibility looks shaky. I'm sticking to the comfort-oriented option. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 15:11, December 25, 2009 (UTC) | ||
or it could be bungie not being very futuristic when they made halo--RAWR THE COOKIE MONSTA! 19:08, December 25, 2009 (UTC) | or it could be bungie not being very futuristic when they made halo--RAWR THE COOKIE MONSTA! 19:08, December 25, 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:What would be the point of making plasma weapons when a bullet will kill you just as dead, without requiring a complete overhaul of all of your military manufacturers? From what i've read, the insurrectionists weren't that big on heavy armor, not to mention that a bullet travels faster than a plasma bolt. The covenant had thousands of years to develop their technology, and they had the help of forerunner technology to reverse engineer. So why not take existing technology and just refine it? The way things look, there were no major wars between the Interplanetary war (ended 2170) and the insurrection (began 2490). With no major wars to be fought, why waste resources on new weapons? Especially when the ones you have work just fine. --[[Special:Contributions/67.171.112.92|67.171.112.92]] 22:13, January 7, 2010 (UTC) | :What would be the point of making plasma weapons when a bullet will kill you just as dead, without requiring a complete overhaul of all of your military manufacturers? From what i've read, the insurrectionists weren't that big on heavy armor, not to mention that a bullet travels faster than a plasma bolt. The covenant had thousands of years to develop their technology, and they had the help of forerunner technology to reverse engineer. So why not take existing technology and just refine it? The way things look, there were no major wars between the Interplanetary war (ended 2170) and the insurrection (began 2490). With no major wars to be fought, why waste resources on new weapons? Especially when the ones you have work just fine. --[[Special:Contributions/67.171.112.92|67.171.112.92]] 22:13, January 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
@Unitedblah I believe it is you who doesn't know how long ago 500 years was. That would be the 1500s. We had muskets at that time. What the Fuck are you on about only rich people having cloth, humans using bones and arrows being expensive? While your argument probably seemed witty at the time, you've gotta due some math here, bro.--[[User talk:Caboose's Brother|Caboose's Brother]] 22:00, 25 February 2011 (EST) | |||
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:That really doesn't answer my question. [[User:Freelancer Serial|<font color="Snow">Divided</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Freelancer|<font color="Maroon">By</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Freelancer Serial|<font color="Silver">Night</font>]]</sub> 18:33, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | :That really doesn't answer my question. [[User:Freelancer Serial|<font color="Snow">Divided</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Freelancer|<font color="Maroon">By</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Freelancer Serial|<font color="Silver">Night</font>]]</sub> 18:33, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::In human terms, the UNSC is the largest state, empire, superpower, government, or whatever you want to call it. It comprises the largest organic military in history, the largest number of staff, advisers, diplomats and commanders, along with the respective staffs of the UEG, combined. Put simply, it's the largest military government humanity has ever seen. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] | ::In human terms, the UNSC is the largest state, empire, superpower, government, or whatever you want to call it. It comprises the largest organic military in history, the largest number of staff, advisers, diplomats and commanders, along with the respective staffs of the UEG, combined. Put simply, it's the largest military government humanity has ever seen. --[[User:UNSC Trooper|<font color="darkblue">UNSC Trooper</font>]] File:unsctrooper_small.jpg|14px]] <sup>[[User talk:UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">Talk</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/UNSC Trooper|<font color="green">My Work</font>]]</sub> 19:33, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::The UNSC isn't the government, it's the military. We don't call the Federation "Starfleet", just its military.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 22:21, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | :::The UNSC isn't the government, it's the military. We don't call the Federation "Starfleet", just its military.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 22:21, January 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::::Actually, the UNSC is the name of the state, and was described as the state even before the Human-Covenant War. The military is the UNSCDF The government is the UEG, which was overridden by the UNSCDF during the war, and presumably re-installed after the war's conclusion. We've heard all along that the UNSC is the UEG's "military arm", but if that's the case, why does the military arm need a [[United Nations Space Command Defense Force|military arm]] of its own?--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 19:14, January 10, 2010 (UTC) | ::::Actually, the UNSC is the name of the state, and was described as the state even before the Human-Covenant War. The military is the UNSCDF The government is the UEG, which was overridden by the UNSCDF during the war, and presumably re-installed after the war's conclusion. We've heard all along that the UNSC is the UEG's "military arm", but if that's the case, why does the military arm need a [[United Nations Space Command Defense Force|military arm]] of its own?--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 19:14, January 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::::You need fingers to those arms. :P - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 19:17, January 10, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::We call those fingers service branches - Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 22:26, January 11, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Couldn't those be the nails? :P - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 23:18, January 11, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Okay, now this is getting weird...--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 17:05, January 13, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::Yes, but each finger only has one nail. Lets say the military is our rude finger (hehe). Would it only have one "nail"? --[[User talk:Unitedblah|Unitedblah]] 09:54, February 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::The UNSC isn't just a military. As I understand it, the UNSC is in charge of all human space activity, military or civilian. The military is the UNSCDF. There's probably another portion of the UNSC devoted to civilian space travel. My thought is that the civilian part of the UNSC would do stuff like take people to colonies and get the colonies ready for people, while the UNSCDF protects them. I believe that the UEG is the government in charge of all humans, while the UNSC is like a "Department of Space." [[User talk:Iceman117|Iceman117]] 21:12, July 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Militaries aren't just for fighting; they also fund research and development. The UNSCDF is the actual fighting portion of the UNSC. ONI is their intelligence and R&D branch (Navy by heritage, but quite independent).-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 22:50, 25 February 2011 (EST) | |||
== Sphere of Influence Section == | |||
I think it's sort of unnecessary to have every possible country, city and other minor location on Earth listed on the colony list. They're already listed in the Earth article itself. Same goes for locations on colonies like Reach on the list. It's nothing major, but the list would just be a lot cleaner with only systems and planets mentioned. Also, there is already another list of nations under the planets and systems list. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]]) 18:52, March 22, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Clarification on origins == | |||
Our articles dealing with the origins of the UNSC are a mess. Most of the content is based on suppositions and misconceptions derived from the original Halo timeline at Xbox.com, which was taken down a while ago but still exists [http://halostory.bungie.org/halostory.timeline.html on the Halo Story Page]. By assuming too much based on vague and inconclusive evidence, I think we're overstepping our bounds as a source for reliable information. | |||
I've already commented on some of the specifics on the talk pages for [[Talk: Orbital Drop Shock Trooper|ODST]] and UN Navy ''(now deleted)'', but this demands further attention. Specifically, I'd like to address the question of when the UNSC was formed, since that's where all the problems stem from. We used to have articles for hypothetical organizations like "United Nations Navy" and "United Nations Marine Corps, based on the assumption that the UNSC didn't exist prior to the UN's buildup campaign in 2164. However, let's examine the part that's often cited as proof that the UNSC was formed in 2164: | |||
{{Article quote|UN-sponsored military forces begin a pattern of massive buildups, culminating in the first real interplanetary war. After the successful Marine deployment on Mars, recruitment drives and propaganda tactics strongly bolster UNSC (UN Space Command) forces. UN forces defeat Koslovic (supporters of rabid Communist hard-liner Vladimir Koslov) and Frieden (a resurgence of fascism) forces on Earth, then begin a systematic and dedicated drive to crush their remnants on the various planets they hold throughout the system. At the conclusion, Frieden and Koslovic forces are defeated, in the face of a massive, unified and very powerful UN military.}} | |||
Now, you could say "massive buildups" and "strongly bolstering" indicate that this is when the UNSC was formed. However, I think the wording is too vague for that. If the writer wanted to specifically indicate this marks the formation of the UNSC, I think it would've been stated more clearly. | |||
Also note that this is the only time the UNSC is specifically identified in the original timeline. Other mentions just refer to a "UN military", "UN forces" or "Earth military"; presumably people assumed the UNSC couldn't have existed prior to 2164 because it wasn't mentioned by name prior to it. However, the UNSC is still referred to as "UN forces" and "UN military" later in the same paragraph, so again, it's more likely they were the same thing from the start and the author didn't see it necessary to mention the UNSC by name in every instance. | |||
More likely than the founding of the UNSC, I think, the 2164 entry talks about the rise of the UNSC; how it first became more powerful than its parent organization and the origins of the militarized society we see in the 26th century. For me, it seems entirely feasible, even likely, that the UNSC existed as an entity already when the conflicts began, though nowhere near as prominent as it would become. | |||
If you think about it, why would the United Nations first establish a space-borne military with a Navy and Marine Corps and then inexplicably add "Space Command" to the name during a conflict? If the UN ever had an officially established Navy or Marine Corps, they were most likely terrestrial forces; if they existed, I'd assume they could've participated in the Rain Forest Wars. But then again, "UN military" doesn't necessitate a full military force. Just like today's UN peacekeepers, the terrestrial UN military forces could've been from nations loyal to the UN, with the UN having operational control over them. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 08:03, 2 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Transfer of "economy", "sphere of influence", and "nations" sections == | |||
These sections would more appropriately belong in the article for the [[Unified Earth Government]], rather than the article for the UEG's military, exploratory, and scientific agency.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 13:42, 6 September 2011 (EDT) | |||
== UNSC Flag == | |||
Hi there. Is there any official pic of the UNSC flag (from Bungie.net, maybe) ? [[Special:Contributions/2.13.62.202|2.13.62.202]] 15:27, 11 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
:It's been described, but there is no image I know of.-- '''''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: olivedrab; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;">'''Col. Spartacus'''</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black">'''Talk Page'''</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Black">Contributions</font>]]''</sub> 23:02, 11 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
==About the supposedly post-war UNSC emblem== | |||
[[:File:Halo 4 cover art ESRB (without Xbox 360 logos).jpg|Based on this file image]], the emblem is present on the ''Forward Unto Dawn'' wreckage. Unless the Chief spent some time repainting the ship's emblem before entering Requiem, this would mean that the new emblem is not as a result of the post-war but rather that Bungie's version of the UNSC emblem has been replaced with 343i's version. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 10:08, 8 June 2012 (EDT) | |||
:I suppose we could look at in in the same fashion that we did with the change in Office of Naval Intelligence insignia from ''Legends: Babysitter'' to ''Halo 3: ODST''. Both were under development at the same time at a time when 343 Industries began having complete control over the content of the ''Haloverse''. The ''Forward Unto Dawn'' case however could be taken in much the same way, if only for a loose canon explanation for an artistic change. I guess that until we see content from prior to and during the Great War, then we can then assume that 343i has only altered it for the post-war era and not all the timelines that come before. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | |||
::I am of the opinion that the new ONI insignia we see is simply another variation instead of an actual change. It has been inferred by fans (and us) that the old insignia has been replaced with the newer insignia. However, there is no actual proof to back this up. In fact, we simply see the new insignia more often than the old one. A common appearance of a newer version does not always denote that the old version has been replaced. The situation is very different with the UNSC emblem where we see actual change to FuD.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 18:18, 8 June 2012 (EDT) | |||
:::I think its a case that until we know otherwise, we just use some simple Sherlockian-approved deduction and apply fan canon to it. Fan canon being post-war as with most things in the game. {{User:Grizzlei/Sig}} | |||
::::Guess the Chief did spend some time repainting the ship's emblem. :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 20:36, 25 July 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Citation 5 Possible Issues == | |||
So Citation 5 for the UNSC page is a bit weird. | |||
First, the citation is to a website, and it goes to a Halopedia article on the website, not the website itself (https://www.halopedia.org/Xbox.com/Halo). | |||
Which brings me to the second point, the website page was removed, whether accidental or on purpose when the site (Xbox.com) was rebuilt in early 2010 (found out via Wayback Machine). | |||
It's kinda confusing, if someone knows what to do that'd be nice. | |||
-[[User:Willy_Whitewool|Willy Whitewool]] | |||
:The Halopedia article is a direct transcription of the site that citation 5 originally linked to, so it's technically fine. But the Wayback Machine archive of the original site would be nice to have in addition to our own link.--[[User:CMDR RileySV|CMDR RileySV]] ([[User talk:CMDR RileySV|talk]]) 21:07, June 15, 2019 (EDT) | |||
==Logo "eras" fanon== | |||
Nothing has ever indicated that the UNSC changed its offical insignia at certain points. Different takes on the famous logo can exist simultaneously and labeling certain ones as only belonging to certain areas is fanon.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 22:56, June 2, 2020 (EDT)TheEld | |||
:This is true, and I did think about that when adding the latest logo to the infobox. However, I couldn't think of anything else to name the tabs. Any ideas? {{User:Dab1001/Sig2}} 06:24, June 3, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::I'm actually pretty sure there was a waypoint post that said the H4+ one was an in-universe redesign for the new era. I'll try find it. | |||
::Edit - [https://web.archive.org/web/20120730133146/http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/07/25/The-Halo-Bulletin-72512.aspx found it]. ''The UNSC branding has undergone a revamp in the wake of the Human/Covenant war – with the starship Infinity leading that resurgent human vanguard, and the imagery is bold, strong, and ascendant.''[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 07:42, June 3, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::Still, calling the ''Infinite'' logo the Created crisis-era logo is inaccurate. {{User:Dab1001/Sig2}} 10:06, June 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
[Reset]Oh sure, but the post-war logo is definitively a post-war logo (but then Halo 2 Anniversary has it everywhere...) [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 10:43, June 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Yeah, the post-war one can stay, however the Created crisis one should be renamed. Can anyone think of anything to rename it to? {{User:Dab1001/Sig2}} 11:33, June 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::I'd be fine with using 2559-era as a stopgap until we get further information on the subject. We can't really say much more on it other than it's used in 2559.[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 11:43, June 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||