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== New information == | == New information == | ||
Based on new information from the [[Halo Encyclopedia]], the organization section may require a re-think.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 19:42, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | Based on new information from the [[Halo Encyclopedia (2009 edition)]], the organization section may require a re-think.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 19:42, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I'm not sure that book can be used as information. For an explanation, see the talk page for it.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 20:09, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | :I'm not sure that book can be used as information. For an explanation, see the talk page for it.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 20:09, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::I have read the argument, but everything it tells us is canon '''unless it contradicts with previously established canon'''. That is our [[Halopedia:Canon | ::I have read the argument, but everything it tells us is canon '''unless it contradicts with previously established canon'''. That is our [[Halopedia:Canon policy|policy]].--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 21:48, October 23, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::Didn`t it retcon the established canon? * SgtSalty | :::Didn`t it retcon the established canon? * SgtSalty | ||
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I've already commented on some of the specifics on the talk pages for [[Talk: Orbital Drop Shock Trooper|ODST]] and UN Navy ''(now deleted)'', but this demands further attention. Specifically, I'd like to address the question of when the UNSC was formed, since that's where all the problems stem from. We used to have articles for hypothetical organizations like "United Nations Navy" and "United Nations Marine Corps, based on the assumption that the UNSC didn't exist prior to the UN's buildup campaign in 2164. However, let's examine the part that's often cited as proof that the UNSC was formed in 2164: | I've already commented on some of the specifics on the talk pages for [[Talk: Orbital Drop Shock Trooper|ODST]] and UN Navy ''(now deleted)'', but this demands further attention. Specifically, I'd like to address the question of when the UNSC was formed, since that's where all the problems stem from. We used to have articles for hypothetical organizations like "United Nations Navy" and "United Nations Marine Corps, based on the assumption that the UNSC didn't exist prior to the UN's buildup campaign in 2164. However, let's examine the part that's often cited as proof that the UNSC was formed in 2164: | ||
{{Article | {{Article quote|UN-sponsored military forces begin a pattern of massive buildups, culminating in the first real interplanetary war. After the successful Marine deployment on Mars, recruitment drives and propaganda tactics strongly bolster UNSC (UN Space Command) forces. UN forces defeat Koslovic (supporters of rabid Communist hard-liner Vladimir Koslov) and Frieden (a resurgence of fascism) forces on Earth, then begin a systematic and dedicated drive to crush their remnants on the various planets they hold throughout the system. At the conclusion, Frieden and Koslovic forces are defeated, in the face of a massive, unified and very powerful UN military.}} | ||
Now, you could say "massive buildups" and "strongly bolstering" indicate that this is when the UNSC was formed. However, I think the wording is too vague for that. If the writer wanted to specifically indicate this marks the formation of the UNSC, I think it would've been stated more clearly. | Now, you could say "massive buildups" and "strongly bolstering" indicate that this is when the UNSC was formed. However, I think the wording is too vague for that. If the writer wanted to specifically indicate this marks the formation of the UNSC, I think it would've been stated more clearly. | ||
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-[[User:Willy_Whitewool|Willy Whitewool]] | -[[User:Willy_Whitewool|Willy Whitewool]] | ||
:The Halopedia article is a direct transcription of the site that citation 5 originally linked to, so it's technically fine. But the Wayback Machine archive of the original site would be nice to have in addition to our own link.--[[User:CMDR RileySV|CMDR RileySV]] ([[User talk:CMDR RileySV|talk]]) 21:07, June 15, 2019 (EDT) | |||
==Logo "eras" fanon== | |||
Nothing has ever indicated that the UNSC changed its offical insignia at certain points. Different takes on the famous logo can exist simultaneously and labeling certain ones as only belonging to certain areas is fanon.[[User:TheEld|TheEld]] ([[User talk:TheEld|talk]]) 22:56, June 2, 2020 (EDT)TheEld | |||
:This is true, and I did think about that when adding the latest logo to the infobox. However, I couldn't think of anything else to name the tabs. Any ideas? {{User:Dab1001/Sig2}} 06:24, June 3, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::I'm actually pretty sure there was a waypoint post that said the H4+ one was an in-universe redesign for the new era. I'll try find it. | |||
::Edit - [https://web.archive.org/web/20120730133146/http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/07/25/The-Halo-Bulletin-72512.aspx found it]. ''The UNSC branding has undergone a revamp in the wake of the Human/Covenant war – with the starship Infinity leading that resurgent human vanguard, and the imagery is bold, strong, and ascendant.''[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 07:42, June 3, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:::Still, calling the ''Infinite'' logo the Created crisis-era logo is inaccurate. {{User:Dab1001/Sig2}} 10:06, June 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
[Reset]Oh sure, but the post-war logo is definitively a post-war logo (but then Halo 2 Anniversary has it everywhere...) [[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 10:43, June 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
:Yeah, the post-war one can stay, however the Created crisis one should be renamed. Can anyone think of anything to rename it to? {{User:Dab1001/Sig2}} 11:33, June 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||
::I'd be fine with using 2559-era as a stopgap until we get further information on the subject. We can't really say much more on it other than it's used in 2559.[[User:BaconShelf|BaconShelf]] ([[User talk:BaconShelf|talk]]) 11:43, June 10, 2020 (EDT) | |||