Halopedia:Requests for adminship/Manticore: Difference between revisions

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:No, but I do have something to say. You guys all expect Manticore to be like a perfect, because all of these other higher ups say that he is, don't deny it. You guys who are voting for him are, because you have to backbone to go against RR, GPT, and ED. I don't like his attitude, nice guy I know. Which I respect him and everything, don't get me wrong, but I feel that the admins have made Manticore sound like some "God" like user, which he isn't. I don't believe that he will be forgiving like Ryan would be. Ryan has told me about his belief that Admins should be forgiving and not do stuff for people that he likes so that they can get ahead on the website and don't deny it. I know first hand. Thanks, '''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ^{([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''} 20:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

::I don't expect Manticore to be perfect, nor do I think for a sec that he would be forgiving.  I've had my problems with the way he does things and I've challenged him for it before.  However, that doesn't mean I think he can't do his job.  He will do it, and he will perform admirably.  I will and have stuck up to RR and GPT publicly and privately on several occasions.  I have and continue to press them on issues of how they deal with the community, how they can improve the way they handle situations, etc.  However, Manticore is already a community leader (as is Ryan, but that's beside the point and it isn't about which of these two is better), and his style of moderation is already applied.  He already is contributing to the administrative and moderation duties of Halopedia and doing things like sending greetings to members.  Unlike Ryan, if Manticore were handled the crown of Administrator, he really would only be getting access to a few extra buttons because of his existing social status within the community.  From a social perspective, Manticore practically is an administrator already. --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 22:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Yes I see, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that RR and GPT are, not on purpose, but are pressing towards you which makes the community side with you more than Ryan. Which goes into the basic law of the community: Don't get a popular sysop, or any sysop for that matter, angry because it will drag you all the way to the bottom. This is the same concept of when a politition says that they like this person better, and a ton of people start to go more towards that person. Thanks, '''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ^{([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''} 03:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::What the heck is with this BS concept that Ryan and Manticore can only be admins at the exclusion of the other?  The administration team could either reject or take both of them by the time the voting is done based upon the decisions of this administration team.  Of course RR and GPT prefer Manticore over Ryan, but they won't make their decision on Ryan based upon whether Manticore got in or not - they'll make their decision based upon the merits and concerns raised regarding Ryan and the the degree of community support for Ryan.  This isn't a first past the post issue.  --[[User:Forgottenlord|forgottenlord]] 17:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I just want to make something clear, the reason I am voting against Manticore isn't because RR and GPT prefer him more, it's because I am showing to you that I think that Manticore is qualified. This is more of a rebuttal against what is wrong. What is wrong is that everyone is influenced by these sysops that they have their new opinions about them. I will be willing to change my vote if they take their names out of the vote. Because that way people won't be so inclined to vote for that person for the wrong reason. Instead of the right reason, which is that they know why they are voting.--'''[[halofanon:User:H*bad|H*bad]] ^{([[halofanon:User talk:H*bad|talk]])'''} 03:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:It is the Sysop's decision, not the final vote, that decides whether an RfA passes.  It is the right of those who's RfA's have been submitted to know where they stand with the Sysops and know what issues the Sysops have with them.  Look at RR's RfA: all 4 Sysops at the time voted against him - but they gave him many points worth considering and thinking about.  Despite that, the community supported RR - just as the community has supported Ryan despite the disapproval of the Sysops.

:Furthermore, explain to me how the Sysops are not a part of the community?  Why shouldn't they get a say?  Many members of the community have built up reputations and degrees of respect from community members that would be comparable to the sysops - should they not be allowed to vote too?  Should we have a secret ballot, known only by the candidate and the admins?  Why?