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I'm not sure why you care so much about a topic that's never been an issue. There's been nothing from Halo media claiming Brutes are joining Jul's remnant. It's as much a non-issue as the Flood joining the Covenant. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 20:03, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
There are some Brutes in his Covenant, as evidenced by Spartan Strike. {{Unsigned|162.234.136.110}}
Okay. First off, the tone of this piece comes across as defensive and accusatory. Just saying, you may want to work on that in the future.
Second, Glasslands, Spartan Strike, etc, are canon sources. Glasslands makes it explicitly clear that whatever misgivings you have about it, Brutes have continued to work with Elites in some limited numbers, albeit to serve their own purposes.
The Ealen talks were unresolved, with the possibility of at least ''some'' Brutes laying down their arms, in exchange for the Elites ignoring them. There are reasonable Chieftains out there. There are also probably plenty of genuinely religious Brutes who would ignore their age-old grudge against the Elites if it meant they got the chance to serve the will of the Living God and his Prometheans.
There are also probably plenty of Brutes who'd join up willingly as mercenaries - what reason do the traditionally un-pious Jackals have to work with Jul? Because he's paying. We know that the Brutes are themselves split along clan lines - to continue feuds even older than their grudge against the Elites, is it impossible to think some would turn to Mdama for weapons and ships, in exchange for being some battlefiend hired muscle? I doubt it.
And addressing your last remark: I'm not the only disregarding canonical sources. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:45, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
Where is it documented that they got into fist fights you ask? almost every peice of Halo lore depicts that there was rivalry between the Elites and Brutes in the Covenant Empire, how do you not know this? I can't dig up the exact quote where they got into physical fights (I'm not going to dig through      every Halo book to find it, but it is there). Read the article on Brutes and on Elites in this wiki and you will find evidence that there was rivalry and resentment towards each other when they were both in the Original Covenant Empire. Where is it documented that they hate each other since day 1? Almost every Halo story takes the chance it has to tell the player the relationship between Brutes and Elites.  
Where is it documented that they got into fist fights you ask? almost every peice of Halo lore depicts that there was rivalry between the Elites and Brutes in the Covenant Empire, how do you not know this? I can't dig up the exact quote where they got into physical fights (I'm not going to dig through      every Halo book to find it, but it is there). Read the article on Brutes and on Elites in this wiki and you will find evidence that there was rivalry and resentment towards each other when they were both in the Original Covenant Empire. Where is it documented that they hate each other since day 1? Almost every Halo story takes the chance it has to tell the player the relationship between Brutes and Elites.  


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None of my arguments are flawed, you are just not aware of the Halo lore between the Brutes and Elites rivalry. If you had known this, you would know that if Jul or Elites can't make peace with the Arbiter's Swords of Sanghelios (A fellow brother species), or the Humans, they would never have the mindset to forgive the Brutes, their most hated enemy of all. [[User:SpartanEdit0r|SpartanEdit0r]] ([[User talk:SpartanEdit0r|talk]]) 22:32, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
None of my arguments are flawed, you are just not aware of the Halo lore between the Brutes and Elites rivalry. If you had known this, you would know that if Jul or Elites can't make peace with the Arbiter's Swords of Sanghelios (A fellow brother species), or the Humans, they would never have the mindset to forgive the Brutes, their most hated enemy of all. [[User:SpartanEdit0r|SpartanEdit0r]] ([[User talk:SpartanEdit0r|talk]]) 22:32, 28 August 2015 (EDT)


 
* Brutes only recently joined so there is no ancient feud, that was to add character to their dislike of each other.
I'm not sure why you care so much about a topic that's never been an issue. There's been nothing from Halo media claiming Brutes are joining Jul's remnant. It's as much a non-issue as the Flood joining the Covenant. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 20:03, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
* Where in the return did it say they attacked Doisac?
 
* Where does it say they ate the councilors corpses? Although I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
There are some Brutes in his Covenant, as evidenced by Spartan Strike. {{Unsigned|162.234.136.110}}
* Properly source your facts.
 
* The Brutes were jealous of the Elites, and the Elites didn't like the Brutes because of their nature.
Okay. First off, the tone of this piece comes across as defensive and accusatory. Just saying, you may want to work on that in the future.
* Do you even own Halo 2?
Second, Glasslands, Spartan Strike, etc, are canon sources. Glasslands makes it explicitly clear that whatever misgivings you have about it, Brutes have continued to work with Elites in some limited numbers, albeit to serve their own purposes.
[[User:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] ([[User talk:Alertfiend|talk]]) 22:49, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
 
The Ealen talks were unresolved, with the possibility of at least ''some'' Brutes laying down their arms, in exchange for the Elites ignoring them. There are reasonable Chieftains out there. There are also probably plenty of genuinely religious Brutes who would ignore their age-old grudge against the Elites if it meant they got the chance to serve the will of the Living God and his Prometheans.
 
There are also probably plenty of Brutes who'd join up willingly as mercenaries - what reason do the traditionally un-pious Jackals have to work with Jul? Because he's paying. We know that the Brutes are themselves split along clan lines - to continue feuds even older than their grudge against the Elites, is it impossible to think some would turn to Mdama for weapons and ships, in exchange for being some battlefiend hired muscle? I doubt it.
 
And addressing your last remark: I'm not the only disregarding canonical sources. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[w:c:halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:45, 28 August 2015 (EDT)
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