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--[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 03:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC) | --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 03:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
:<s>I don't mean to like, disappoint anyone, but I could be wrong, and you could be wrong... but listen to this for a sec: This article is about a Shotgun, not the Shotgun Series. --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http:// | :<s>I don't mean to like, disappoint anyone, but I could be wrong, and you could be wrong... but listen to this for a sec: This article is about a Shotgun, not the Shotgun Series. --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Blemo <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]</sub></small> 04:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)</s> | ||
:Uh... screw that last part... --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http:// | :Uh... screw that last part... --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Blemo <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]</sub></small> 04:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
*Um yea, have you read the article, it covers the whole series, including the Halo 1&2 M90s. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 04:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC) | *Um yea, have you read the article, it covers the whole series, including the Halo 1&2 M90s. --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 04:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
Yeah, for once Justin is in the right, lol! Truthfully there should be three articles but the weapon titles are all fuzzy. From what i can tell there is the M90 Mk I, II and M90A CAWS. Theres three possible ways to sort this. Either we split them into the Mk. I, II and the A, which is a little wierd, leave it as it is or and i am in favour of this, somebody go ask Bungie, which will sort the matter out. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 12:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC) | Yeah, for once Justin is in the right, lol! Truthfully there should be three articles but the weapon titles are all fuzzy. From what i can tell there is the M90 Mk I, II and M90A CAWS. Theres three possible ways to sort this. Either we split them into the Mk. I, II and the A, which is a little wierd, leave it as it is or and i am in favour of this, somebody go ask Bungie, which will sort the matter out. --[[User:Ajax 013|Ajax 013]] 12:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
I feel that this article be renamed '''M90 Close Assault Weapon System''' and include the Halo 3 variant(in the article) as the M90A.--[[User:Spartan781|'''<font color="LightGrey">Sp</font><font color="DarkGray">art</font><font color="Gray">an-</font><font color="Black">781</font>''' | I feel that this article be renamed '''M90 Close Assault Weapon System''' and include the Halo 3 variant(in the article) as the M90A.--[[User:Spartan781|'''<font color="LightGrey">Sp</font><font color="DarkGray">art</font><font color="Gray">an-</font><font color="Black">781</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan781|<font color="black">Comm</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartan781|<font color="black">CSV</font>]]</sub> 08:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
:Actually, someone should go ask Bungie on the EXACT names of the Halo 1 & 2 models. What if they indeed bear the same "a" variant?--[[User:Spartan781|'''<font color="LightGrey">Sp</font><font color="DarkGray">art</font><font color="Gray">an-</font><font color="Black">781</font>''' | :Actually, someone should go ask Bungie on the EXACT names of the Halo 1 & 2 models. What if they indeed bear the same "a" variant?--[[User:Spartan781|'''<font color="LightGrey">Sp</font><font color="DarkGray">art</font><font color="Gray">an-</font><font color="Black">781</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan781|<font color="black">Comm</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartan781|<font color="black">CSV</font>]]</sub> 08:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
==Votes to move to M90 Shotgun== | ==Votes to move to M90 Shotgun== | ||
'''Support''' --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http:// | '''Support''' --<b>[[User:ED|<font color="000000">ED</font>]]<sub>([[User talk:ED|<font color="000000">talk</font>]])</sub><sup>[http://halopedian.com/User:ED/Gaming<font color="000000">(gaming)]</font></sup></b> 01:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
'''Support''' Should it really be a voting matter? No matter which name sounds cooler, one is fact and one is fanon. Oh well, I support! --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 04:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | '''Support''' Should it really be a voting matter? No matter which name sounds cooler, one is fact and one is fanon. Oh well, I support! --[[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] 04:59, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
'''Support'''. | '''Support'''.<u>[[User:Emosworld|<font color="DARKRED">''Emo''</font>]][[User talk:Emosworld|<font color="DARKRED">''s''</font>]]</u> 10:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
'''Weak Support'''. The Shotgun is properly referred to as the M-90 Mk. I/II/III Close Assault Weapon System. However, we don't refer to the assault rifles, AFAIK, as the MA5B/C Individual Combat Weapons System, which is their proper name. And the proper names of the pistols are the M6C/D/G Personal Defense Weapons Systems, but we don't say that either. And the proper names of the sniper rifles are the 99C/D-S2 Anti-Materiel Sniper Rifle Systems, but we don't use that. The full name of a weapon is not necessarily the name it should be referred by. Wikipedia tends to just use the designation and weapon type. M90 Shotgun is a fine title, but if you want to be maximum specific, say "M90 Mks. I-III CAWS." -[[User:Azathoth|The Dark Lord Azathoth]] 19:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | '''Weak Support'''. The Shotgun is properly referred to as the M-90 Mk. I/II/III Close Assault Weapon System. However, we don't refer to the assault rifles, AFAIK, as the MA5B/C Individual Combat Weapons System, which is their proper name. And the proper names of the pistols are the M6C/D/G Personal Defense Weapons Systems, but we don't say that either. And the proper names of the sniper rifles are the 99C/D-S2 Anti-Materiel Sniper Rifle Systems, but we don't use that. The full name of a weapon is not necessarily the name it should be referred by. Wikipedia tends to just use the designation and weapon type. M90 Shotgun is a fine title, but if you want to be maximum specific, say "M90 Mks. I-III CAWS." -[[User:Azathoth|The Dark Lord Azathoth]] 19:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
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Also the M90 mk.1 was full auto, so please stop editing that out. Test it yourself if you still own a copy of Halo CE. Just because no one used it full auto because it was slow and imprecise does not mean that it wasnt. [[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] | Also the M90 mk.1 was full auto, so please stop editing that out. Test it yourself if you still own a copy of Halo CE. Just because no one used it full auto because it was slow and imprecise does not mean that it wasnt. [[User:Justin Time|Justin Time]] | ||
Full automatic would mean that you don't have to pump the forearm between shots.--[[User talk:Caboose's Brother|Caboose's Brother]] 17:27, 19 February 2011 (EST) | |||
==Difference between Mk.I and Mk.II=== | ==Difference between Mk.I and Mk.II=== | ||
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I like the new weapon Layout guys, a lot easier to read and more colorful.--[[user:Ryanman|Ryanman]] 5:45, 13 December 2006 | I like the new weapon Layout guys, a lot easier to read and more colorful.--[[user:Ryanman|Ryanman]] 5:45, 13 December 2006 | ||
I THINK the Mk means Mark, and uh... I've lost where I was going with this... --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http:// | I THINK the Mk means Mark, and uh... I've lost where I was going with this... --[[user:Blemo|<font color="#D3D3D3">B</font><font color="#A9A9A9">le</font><font color="#808080">mo</font>]] http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <small><sup>[[user talk:Blemo|<font color="#A9A9A9">TALK</font>]]</sup> • <sub> [http://halopedian.com/Special:Contributions/Blemo <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS</font>]</sub></small> 04:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Pellets in Halo 2 == | == Pellets in Halo 2 == | ||
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How many pellets are shot from the shotgun in Halo 1?--[[User:SWME|SWME]] 15:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC) | How many pellets are shot from the shotgun in Halo 1?--[[User:SWME|SWME]] 15:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC) | ||
I think it always fires a random number of pellets which is over 8.If you mean how much ammo it has in halo 1, it is written in the article page. [[User:Spartan-007|Spartan-G007]] | I think it always fires a random number of pellets which is over 8.If you mean how much ammo it has in halo 1, it is written in the article page. [[User:Spartan-007|Spartan-G007]] <sup>[http://live.xbox.com/en-GB/profile/profile.aspx?pp=0&GamerTag=SpartanG007 <font color=green>XBL gamertag:SpartanG007</font>]</sup> | ||
In Halo 1, it fires fifteen pellets every shot. I've tested this repeatedly and have found no variation in the number of pellets. However, in Halo 2, it fires a random number of pellets: 3 to 10, averaging 6 or 7. I never got to fully test the Halo 3 shotgun though, but I'll get around to it ASAP once the game comes out. <span style="font-family: HandelGothic BT; font-size: 12pt;">[[User:Rtas Vadumee|Rtas Vadumee]]</span> 10:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC) | In Halo 1, it fires fifteen pellets every shot. I've tested this repeatedly and have found no variation in the number of pellets. However, in Halo 2, it fires a random number of pellets: 3 to 10, averaging 6 or 7. I never got to fully test the Halo 3 shotgun though, but I'll get around to it ASAP once the game comes out. <span style="font-family: HandelGothic BT; font-size: 12pt;">[[User:Rtas Vadumee|Rtas Vadumee]]</span> 10:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
I think it's just that the halo 2 shotgun doesn't fire "spread out" sometimes. What I mean is that maybe two or more bullets fire at the same place sometimes.--[[User:Spartan781|'''<font color="LightGrey">Sp</font><font color="DarkGray">art</font><font color="Gray">an-</font><font color="Black">781</font>''' | I think it's just that the halo 2 shotgun doesn't fire "spread out" sometimes. What I mean is that maybe two or more bullets fire at the same place sometimes.--[[User:Spartan781|'''<font color="LightGrey">Sp</font><font color="DarkGray">art</font><font color="Gray">an-</font><font color="Black">781</font>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Spartan781|<font color="black">Comm</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartan781|<font color="black">CSV</font>]]</sub> 10:40, 1 August 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Silent Rounds on Halo: PC == | == Silent Rounds on Halo: PC == | ||
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:What militaries? <div style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>[[User:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">Smoke</font>]]</b></div> 13:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC) | :What militaries? <div style="font-variant:small-caps"><b>[[User:Smoke.|<font color="#666666">Smoke</font>]]</b></div> 13:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Only a few of today's militaries employ Semi-Automatic Shotguns in their arsenal, such as the America and Britain with the M1014. | ::Only a few of today's militaries employ Semi-Automatic Shotguns in their arsenal, such as the America and Britain with the M1014. [[User:Grizzlei|CommanderTony]] | ||
...I hate it when i realise i may have been missinformed. iether way semi's would easily be superior to pumps but (surprise surprise) bungie screwed realism for gameplay purpouses. [[User talk:Maiar|Maiar]] 13:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC) | ...I hate it when i realise i may have been missinformed. iether way semi's would easily be superior to pumps but (surprise surprise) bungie screwed realism for gameplay purpouses. [[User talk:Maiar|Maiar]] 13:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
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== Range == | == Range == | ||
Someone needs to change the range in the info box from 40 meters to | Someone needs to change the range in the info box from 40 meters to 10 meters since that is the shotguns true range. | ||
[[User talk:Omgsauce|Omgsauce]] 01:40, February 28, 2010 (UTC) | [[User talk:Omgsauce|Omgsauce]] 01:40, February 28, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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False. The shotgun in Halo:CE could land a pellet at well over 100m. [[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|StalkerGrunt117]] 20:52, April 9, 2010 (UTC) | False. The shotgun in Halo:CE could land a pellet at well over 100m. [[User talk:StalkerGrunt117|StalkerGrunt117]] 20:52, April 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Yes, but thats ONLY Halo CE, Halo 2 and 3 have a range of | Yes, but thats ONLY Halo CE, Halo 2 and 3 have a range of 10 meters or less.[[User talk:Omgsauce|Omgsauce]] 22:39, April 11, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Recoil == | == Recoil == | ||
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: Also depends on the person, someone with a slighty build might find the recoil harder to deal with than someone with a husky build. It is the future, there might be differances in production and pellet shape. Material as well, such as steel versus depleted uranium. Also, the shotguns barrel lenghts. Amount of powder in the shells and the type of powder. All these varibles makes comprisoon of the M3 and the M90 difficult. (P.S. I've fired the M3 as well, great gun). | : Also depends on the person, someone with a slighty build might find the recoil harder to deal with than someone with a husky build. It is the future, there might be differances in production and pellet shape. Material as well, such as steel versus depleted uranium. Also, the shotguns barrel lenghts. Amount of powder in the shells and the type of powder. All these varibles makes comprisoon of the M3 and the M90 difficult. (P.S. I've fired the M3 as well, great gun). '''[[User:Arabsbananas|<span style="color:Red; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">El Ammo Bandito,</span><span style="color:Yellow; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap"> "¡Para todas sus necesidades destructivas!"</span>]]''' 19:50, April 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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: Yes the Marines have standerds, but even within then their are different builds, unless everyone was a clone. Second shape of the pellet does matter, due to the way in bounces withen the barrel and how it reacts with air withen the barrel. As more the barrel, a longer barrel retains the gasses longer, causeing more recoild, versis a shorter barrel, which will allow the gasses to vent faster. Also, ehat about the amount of powder and type in the shells? If the M90 shells have more powder, that will cause more recoil. | : Yes the Marines have standerds, but even within then their are different builds, unless everyone was a clone. Second shape of the pellet does matter, due to the way in bounces withen the barrel and how it reacts with air withen the barrel. As more the barrel, a longer barrel retains the gasses longer, causeing more recoild, versis a shorter barrel, which will allow the gasses to vent faster. Also, ehat about the amount of powder and type in the shells? If the M90 shells have more powder, that will cause more recoil. '''[[User:Arabsbananas|<span style="color:Red; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">El Ammo Bandito,</span><span style="color:Yellow; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap"> "¡Para todas sus necesidades destructivas!"</span>]]''' 20:45, April 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Time for another correction list, I guess. | |||
1. True, but this doesn't matter, because of what I have already said. | |||
2. This still does not affect recoil directly. It can affect the velocity of the pellets, but that's already covered. | |||
3. This does not affect recoil. Same reason as #2. | |||
4. This does not affect recoil significantly. The powder's contribution is more momentum to the bullet. Only about half of the powder is actually propelled down the barrel, it doesn't mave but a few grams of mass, and it moves by far slower. It's a small percentage, don't sweat it. | |||
5. Regarding #2, #3 and #4, these only affect recoil due to how they affect the velocity of the bullet, NOTHING ELSE, and we already know the end result here, so who really cares? Don't worry about the mechanism here, the result is all that matters in recoil, and the result speaks quite clearly so long as you forget this vain attempt to complicate the issue. It's basic, highschool physics, Newton's 3rd law to be specific, you can handle it within a second without so much as a pencil for aid, why ruin that? [[User talk:Avianmosquito|Avianmosquito]] 23:56, April 12, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== M90A slam-fire capable? == | |||
When I shoot the M90A, I've noticed that right after you pull RT on the controller after you've shot a shell, as soon as your character racks the pump all the way back s/he shoots another round. Could the M90A be capable of slam-firing? [[User talk:Bottletopman|Bottletopman]] 07:56, April 21, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I don't know, but I've noticed to. [[User talk:Blahmarrow|Blahmarrow]] 03:14, September 4, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Incorrect Image == | |||
Hey the current image used for the M90 series of shotguns is the M45 TS. Can someone replace it with the M90 shotgun? [[User talk:Bottletopman|Bottletopman]] 06:50, April 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Mk I and Mk I are fanon names? == | |||
Wow, I really had no idea. I thought they were called like that in a book or something like that.[[User talk:Ketsumaye|Ketsumaye]] 15:05, September 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
==Real-World Modern Weapon Similarities== | |||
It just occurred to me that the M90 CAWS Shotgun (and also the [[M45 Tactical Shotgun]]) have one or more real-world counterparts. I think both shotguns from H3 and HR look very similar to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benelli_M3 Benelli M3 Benelli M3 Super 90] or the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benelli_M4 Benelli M4 Super 90] shotguns. The only difference is, I believe, that both Benelli shotguns load shotguns underneath, whereas the M90 CAWS and, if I'm not mistaken, the M45 Tactical Shotgun have their shells loaded into a breech above on the top. Does anyone agree see this resemblance? --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 18:46, 18 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330 | |||
:Naw, they look way too long and thin. [[User:Tuckerscreator|<span style="color:#6600cc;">'''''Tuckerscreator'''''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Tuckerscreator|<font color="#008000">stalk</font>]])</sup> 18:52, 18 November 2011 (EST) | |||
::Maybe so, but you have to admit they ''do'' look very similar, especially if one were to put the two together. Imagine it, visualize it, and then think about it. I would say they are both similar regardless. And I forgot in my preliminary analysis that I think this little bit of information should be added to the Trivia section in the article. Why should it not? --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 20:52, 18 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330 | |||
== About Flood's 12 gauge trivia == | |||
Couldn't a pump-action shotgun chambered for 8-gauge fire a 12-gauge shell? I can see the particular problem for a semi-auto shotgun but it shouldn't be such for an 8-gauge. — [[User:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">Ha</span>]][[User talk:Hacame|<span style="color:#6699FF; font-family:Futura; font-size:14px; font-weight:bold;">came</span>]] 12:35, 16 June 2013 (EDT) | |||