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:::[https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst248846_The-Didact-s-Speech--Catalog-Confirms.aspx 6 page thread] debating/getting ready to rip apart Catalog all within 24 hours.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 02:02, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:::[https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst248846_The-Didact-s-Speech--Catalog-Confirms.aspx 6 page thread] debating/getting ready to rip apart Catalog all within 24 hours.[[User:Sith Venator|<span style="color:green">Sith-venator Wavingstrider</span>]] [[File:Fett helmet.jpg|20px]] ([[User talk:Sith Venator|<span style="color:blue">Commlink</span>]]) 02:02, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::::[https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm2972786_The-Didact-s-Speech--Catalog-Confirms-100.aspx#post2972786 The plot thickens.] --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:43, 9 July 2014 (EDT)


==Technical briefing==
==Technical briefing==
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I don't hate Palmer as a character (though she's dead weight in her own comic series). I just don't like 343i treating her as a Mary Sue the fans can't get enough of. Chris Schlerf did a superb job writing her in ''Escalation''. It does a nice job of deconstructing her behavior during ''Spartan Ops'' even if it doesn't justify her acting like a whiny toddler in ''Initiation''. Maybe she has an undiagnosed neurochemical imbalance like the Assembly suggests of Dr. Halsey. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 10:36, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
I don't hate Palmer as a character (though she's dead weight in her own comic series). I just don't like 343i treating her as a Mary Sue the fans can't get enough of. Chris Schlerf did a superb job writing her in ''Escalation''. It does a nice job of deconstructing her behavior during ''Spartan Ops'' even if it doesn't justify her acting like a whiny toddler in ''Initiation''. Maybe she has an undiagnosed neurochemical imbalance like the Assembly suggests of Dr. Halsey. --[[User:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">'''''Our vengeance is at hand.'''''</span>]] [[File:Gravemind.svg|14px]] ([[User talk:Braidenvl|<span style="color:gray">Talk to me.</span>]]) 10:36, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
:I agree. It feels like 343i set out to create the Halo equivalent of Commander Shepard (hence Jennifer Hale) but ended up with the equivalent of James Vega instead. If Vega was more neurotic and irreverent. And also an officer instead of a mere grunt. There's a funny bit of copypasta around (I believe it was originally posted on Reddit or /v/) which reinvents Palmer's manic anti-intellectualism as a result of childhood trauma — she'd wanted to pursue a career in science but her abusive father practically forced her into the military (while repeatedly yelling "egghead" at her face). It doesn't quite fit with the official story of her parents being anti-UNSC, but it would certainly explain her behavior and make her more sympathetic. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:43, 9 July 2014 (EDT)


==Forerunner Dreadnought==
==Forerunner Dreadnought==
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::I like the idea that there is some arcane megascale tech that basically multiplies the geometric distance to the LMC; perhaps imposed by the early Precursors to stall their demise, or by the Forerunners themselves afterwards. It would certainly fit in with the massive species-wide guilt they had going on after the genocide. That might even justify the (obviously erroneous) reference to "millions" of lightyears in ''Silentium'', if we assume that to be the ''de facto'' distance from a slipspace-based perspective. It's probable this will never be explained or made canon, but it's fun to speculate. There's still very little we know of the really ancient past of the Forerunners and the Precursors (and what we know comes from more or less unreliable and occasionally contradicting sources) and I think that's a good thing. There should always be some element of mystery present. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
::I like the idea that there is some arcane megascale tech that basically multiplies the geometric distance to the LMC; perhaps imposed by the early Precursors to stall their demise, or by the Forerunners themselves afterwards. It would certainly fit in with the massive species-wide guilt they had going on after the genocide. That might even justify the (obviously erroneous) reference to "millions" of lightyears in ''Silentium'', if we assume that to be the ''de facto'' distance from a slipspace-based perspective. It's probable this will never be explained or made canon, but it's fun to speculate. There's still very little we know of the really ancient past of the Forerunners and the Precursors (and what we know comes from more or less unreliable and occasionally contradicting sources) and I think that's a good thing. There should always be some element of mystery present. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 01:44, 8 July 2014 (EDT)
Giving it a little more thought, I think Catalog's explanation really helps make sense out of the principally understandable but mechanically abstruse reconciliation. Based on what we witness in ''The Forerunner Saga'', one can construct a reasonable model on how the phenomenon works. Someone with a proper grasp of information theory could probably get even more out of it.
Firstly, I think the "information transfer" part really is key to understanding reconciliation. The more there is to reconcile between the two locations, the more causality is strained. A trip to the extragalactic void isn't particularly costly because there is little information content in the destination; it's just empty space. On the contrary, Path Kethona was filled with unique information and history not present in the parent galaxy. The idea that trips into an empty void are cheaper than intersystem travel would also explain how the Didact could casually zip up and down the galactic plane in ''Cryptum'' without major effects (there were some, but none like the ones experienced by the ''Audacity'' crew). An intragalactic voyage along a well-trafficked slipspace lane is also going to cost less, because information between the two locations is exchanged and "refreshed" regularly; the same was true when portals were established between the galaxy and the "blank" extragalactic locations of the Arks. On the other hand, there was a ten-million-year discrepancy in information between the Milky Way and the LMC.
One could interpret the second consideration, "brane tension", as referring to the strain on a particular region of space-time generated by an excess of ships traveling there; this was obviously not an issue with ''Audacity'' and the LMC, but was witnessed with the Falco's near-fatal portal transit at the end of ''Cryptum''. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 05:43, 9 July 2014 (EDT)


==Latin==
==Latin==