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I have deleted the reference to the classes' length being a 7 reference. It belongs on the [[List of "Seven" references in Halo]] page. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 15:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC) | I have deleted the reference to the classes' length being a 7 reference. It belongs on the [[Seven|List of "Seven" references in Halo]] page. [[User:Isidis 128|Isidis 128]] 15:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC) | ||
== 1/3 tonnage == | == 1/3 tonnage == | ||
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==Thrusters== | ==Thrusters== | ||
on page 41 of the flood keyes fires bow thrusters. i couldnt seem to fit it in the article.-- | on page 41 of the flood keyes fires bow thrusters. i couldnt seem to fit it in the article.--[[User:Spartan 1138|<font color=black>'''MCPO Spartan'''</font>]] [[User talk:Spartan 1138|<font color=black>'''1138'''</font>]] 15:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC) | ||
== Royal Sovereign== | == Royal Sovereign== | ||
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The entire article is alluding to the idea that more than one Halcyon Cruiser was refitted like the PoA; we do not know this, so I'm removing any suggestions of that. [[User:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 14:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC) | The entire article is alluding to the idea that more than one Halcyon Cruiser was refitted like the PoA; we do not know this, so I'm removing any suggestions of that. [[User:Diaboy|Diaboy]] 14:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC) | ||
Eleven vessels were built with the special internal honeycomb structure, according to the '''Bungie Halo Bible''' excerpt from the Sybex Official Strategy Guide for Halo PC. On page 60, it states: "The ''Pillar of Autumn'' and 10 other vessels were the only ships–out of 50-to be built with this type of superstructure." [[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 21:26, 3 June 2013 (EDT) | |||
==transport?== | ==transport?== | ||
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I believe the ship must be longer then originally stated, if you remember the first game you travel only part of its length during the final mission in a warthog, the total distance of the trek is 2.2KM not this 1.17Km that was originally stated, never once in any of the books was the ships dimension stated, I think some one just theroized its legnth and used 117 to make it practical. however I do believe many of the ship lenghts have been altered and most of them are shorter then they should be. | I believe the ship must be longer then originally stated, if you remember the first game you travel only part of its length during the final mission in a warthog, the total distance of the trek is 2.2KM not this 1.17Km that was originally stated, never once in any of the books was the ships dimension stated, I think some one just theroized its legnth and used 117 to make it practical. however I do believe many of the ship lenghts have been altered and most of them are shorter then they should be. | ||
:Actually, someone created a scale comparison between the character model of the Chief, and the in-game structure used in cutscenes. The internal structure is actually a mistake made by Bungie, since it would never fit within. --''' | :Actually, someone created a scale comparison between the character model of the Chief, and the in-game structure used in cutscenes. The internal structure is actually a mistake made by Bungie, since it would never fit within. --'''CoH|<font color=purple>Councillor</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=blue>Specops306</font>]]''' - '''''[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a</font>]] UserWiki:Specops306|<font color=purple>'Morhek</font>]]''''' 06:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC) | ||
== Rotating section == | == Rotating section == | ||
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Kronos101 told me on my board that it is nearly impossible to take a good screenshot, either an angled or a profile shot, due to the blurring of the panning camera, so he tried for a higher-resolution image from the ''Halo: Reach'' credits, but that didn't work either. I really think some new transparent cutout render could be done and used for both the ''Halcyon''-class Light Cruiser and the ''[[Pillar of Autumn]]'' articles. Since it seems to me that getting an excellent screenshot with which to manipulate in Photoshop is next to impossible, I was wondering if it was possible for anyone with any advanced graphic design skills could actually make a render without the need of any screenshots (maybe some for reference), and also be allowed to upload it and post it in the PoA and the ''Halcyon''-class Light Cruiser articles without it being labeled as "fan art". I would certainly do it myself, except I need to take more graphic design classes. Can this be done, and can it be allowed? --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 18:55, 6 December 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330 | Kronos101 told me on my board that it is nearly impossible to take a good screenshot, either an angled or a profile shot, due to the blurring of the panning camera, so he tried for a higher-resolution image from the ''Halo: Reach'' credits, but that didn't work either. I really think some new transparent cutout render could be done and used for both the ''Halcyon''-class Light Cruiser and the ''[[Pillar of Autumn]]'' articles. Since it seems to me that getting an excellent screenshot with which to manipulate in Photoshop is next to impossible, I was wondering if it was possible for anyone with any advanced graphic design skills could actually make a render without the need of any screenshots (maybe some for reference), and also be allowed to upload it and post it in the PoA and the ''Halcyon''-class Light Cruiser articles without it being labeled as "fan art". I would certainly do it myself, except I need to take more graphic design classes. Can this be done, and can it be allowed? --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 18:55, 6 December 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330 | ||
::'''UPDATE''': Got plenty of new images both from ''Halo: Combat Evolved'' and ''Halo: Reach''. So no need to worry anymore. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 10:01, 9 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
== 2 mac guns?? == | == 2 mac guns?? == | ||
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:That means nothing. The image also shows that the PoA is all corridors. The second hole in the cutaway image probably holds MAC capacitors or ammunition or something. In any case, it's actually an unofficial image that we choose to adopt as canon.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 14:55, 31 January 2012 (EST) | :That means nothing. The image also shows that the PoA is all corridors. The second hole in the cutaway image probably holds MAC capacitors or ammunition or something. In any case, it's actually an unofficial image that we choose to adopt as canon.--[[User talk:The All-knowing Sith'ari|The All-knowing Sith'ari]] 14:55, 31 January 2012 (EST) | ||
::I may have some further information to provide, that would suggest that what we have here is canon. I can believe what you are talking about are the four barrels of what I believe are probably a heavy version of the Point-Defense Gun turret, one that features four barrels rather than two. If you looked closely enough at the ''Pillar of Autumn'' from ''Halo: Reach'', you'll notice that it most certainly does have only one MAC gun, but is also bristling with Point-Defense Gun turrets. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see two MAC guns. I see only one barrel, and I see what looks like some kind of reloading system similar to what I've seen in some real-world gun schematics for automatic and semiautomatic weapons. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 15:12, 31 January 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330 | ::I may have some further information to provide, that would suggest that what we have here is canon. I can believe what you are talking about are the four barrels of what I believe are probably a heavy version of the Point-Defense Gun turret, one that features four barrels rather than two. If you looked closely enough at the ''Pillar of Autumn'' from ''Halo: Reach'', you'll notice that it most certainly does have only one MAC gun, but is also bristling with Point-Defense Gun turrets. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see two MAC guns. I see only one barrel, and I see what looks like some kind of reloading system similar to what I've seen in some real-world gun schematics for automatic and semiautomatic weapons. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 15:12, 31 January 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330 | ||
I think that I might've confused you guys. I didnt specify which picture (my bad). I was talking about this this one here. | |||
You can clearly see there are two barrels. The top one (which I originally thought was the MAC, and there is evidence to support this, any number of pictures) and a lower one which is actually in the process of firing a 3 round burst --[[User:maccabeuse|Maccabeuse]] 05:45, 31 January 2012 (EST) | |||
:Fixed link. I did know what you were talking about, after I looked around a bit. You'll notice the "second barrel" is labeled "linear accelerator", meaning it is the electromagnetically-charged firing mechanism, and furthermore, the linear accelerator does ''not'' have an external firing barrel. The only real firing barrel I see is the one I've always seen: the one labeled in the diagram as the "Magnetic Accelerator Cannon (MAC)". Though I can see how that might be a little confusing. But hopefully this explanation will clear things up. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 18:04, 31 January 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330 | |||
Okay. i took a look at original POA from halo:ce. it makes more sense. it was the version from halo reach and anniversary that threw me off. get it now thanks. [[User:maccabeuse|Maccaeuse]] 11:12, January 31 2012 (EST) | |||
I actually made that image you're referencing. It's Cairo's MAC cannon laid sideways at the same scale over the ''Autumn''. Cairo's MAC also has those two protrusions, yet only one is the cannon's muzzle, which I've labeled and have 3 MAC rounds emerging from. Sorry if this caused any confusion. It was meant for illustration purposes only since in info on the MAC stations, it was mentioned their cannons were the size of UNSC cruisers. It also is mentioned in the novel that the ''Autumn'''s MAC has parts on the underside which is why I used the bottom detail for the MAC and not the one midway up.[[User:ScaleMaster117|ScaleMaster117]] ([[User talk:ScaleMaster117|talk]]) 21:20, 3 June 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Possible Seven reference in the word "''Halcyon'''' == | |||
I'm not sure, but I think I may have stumbled across a possible seven reference in the word "''Halcyon''", the word being comprised of exactly seven letters. Was this intentional, or entirely a coincidence? It seems less of a coincidence to me, but as I said, I'm not sure. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 11:34, 11 June 2012 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
:Coincidence.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 12:07, 11 June 2012 (EDT) | |||
::Fine by me. It was all just a thought. No proof anyway that it was intentional. --[[User talk:Xamikaze330|Xamikaze330]] 12:18, 11 June 2012 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
==Changes Section== | |||
Shouldn't there be a Changes section on how it was designed and redesigned in the ''Halo: Combat Evolved'' and ''Halo: Reach''? Something like a compare and contrast type of thing from game to game. I feel it is important that it be added so people can see more of a difference. --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 10:00, 9 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
:[[Talk:UNSC Pillar of Autumn#Changes Section|Refer to Subtank's comment here…]] --'''''[[User:Xamikaze330|<span style="color:Black; font-family: Halo;">Xamikaze330</span>]]''''' <small>['''''[[User talk:Xamikaze330|<font color="Blue">Transmission</font>]]'''''|'''''[[Special:Contributions/Xamikaze330|<font color="Green">Commencing</font>]]''''']</small> 11:49, 9 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330 | |||
==Armament conjecture== | |||
Has it ever been confirmed that the figures listed in ''The Fall of Reach'' are for their as-built condition? Because in the version I've got, it simply states that the ''Autumn'' received the MAC and six Archer pods in its 2550 refit, with no implication that they were ever fitted previously. Similarly, the new ''Encyclopedia'' book doesn't say if the new armament was ever added during a refit or not. [[Special:Contributions/114.77.224.192|114.77.224.192]] 02:27, June 21, 2023 (EDT) | |||