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There was an idea to bring together a collection of proposals and projects, so when we needed them, they could improve the wiki in a longer term that we never could achieve in our present time...<!-- stolen from Avengers. High five if you see this hidden note! -->
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On the standards to be employed in articles, the Manual of Style requires more clarification on what would be the best standards as you edit an article. I've added a small change to this on [[User:Subtank/Update|my sandbox page]]; I added a section on styles that clarifies the wiki's position on measurement and spellings as well as linking it back to Layout guide.
On the standards to be employed in articles, the Manual of Style requires more clarification on what would be the best standards as you edit an article. I've added a small change to this on [[User:Subtank/Update|my sandbox page]]; I added a section on styles that clarifies the wiki's position on measurement and spellings as well as linking it back to Layout guide.


The Layout Guide is in serious need of updates. Numerous points and concerns have been raised, such as [[Talk:Cortana#Main_image|what is required of an introductory image for characters]], [[:File talk:HReach-ArdentPrayerCorvette.png|for individual ships]] and [[:File_talk:H2-UNSCFrigateInAmberClad.png|general ship class]]. [[Forum:List of appearances issues|Appearances also became an issue]]; while it has been addressed and solutions have been provided (with some implemented), it has not been recorded in the guide.
The Layout guide is in serious need of updates. Numerous points and concerns have been raised, such as [[Talk:Cortana#Main_image|what is required of an introductory image for characters]], [[:File talk:HReach-ArdentPrayerCorvette.png|for individual ships]] and [[:File_talk:H2-UNSCFrigateInAmberClad.png|general ship class]]. [[Forum:List of appearances issues|Appearances also became an issue]]; while it has been addressed and solutions have been provided (with some implemented), it has not been recorded in the guide.


Furthermore, we should also consider the issue of accessibility for mobile and tablet users; simply put, a focus to reduce the data load on images (which is also what Wikia is doing but their sites is currently horrible to navigate via mobile). I've undertook the task to ensure that [[Talk:MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor/Mark_IV#Gaggle_of_Mark_IV_armor_images_removed:_Why.3F|the move relevant images should go into the article whereas others should be in an image category]]. This category is of course viewable via link placed under a specific section in the article. This would appear to be in conflict with Nicmavr's [[Forum:Image Tagging Competition|image tagging competition]] but I'm sure that would not be a problem.
Furthermore, we should also consider the issue of accessibility for mobile and tablet users; simply put, a focus to reduce the data load on images (which is also what Wikia is doing but their sites is currently horrible to navigate via mobile). I've undertook the task to ensure that [[Talk:MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor/Mark_IV#Gaggle_of_Mark_IV_armor_images_removed:_Why.3F|the move relevant images should go into the article whereas others should be in an image category]]. This category is of course viewable via link placed under a specific section in the article. This would appear to be in conflict with Nicmavr's [[Forum:Image Tagging Competition|image tagging competition]] but I'm sure that would not be a problem.
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=== Changes/Introduction ===
=== Changes/Introduction ===
*[[/MoS|Changes to the Manual of Style]] ✓
*[[/MoS|Changes to the Manual of Style]] ✓
*[[/Canon|Changes to the Canon Policy]] ✓
*[[/Canon|Changes to the Canon policy]] ✓
*[[/Layout|Changes to the Layout Guide]]
*[[/Layout|Changes to the Layout guide]]
*[[/Notable|Changes to the Notability Policy]] ✓
*[[/Notable|Changes to the Notability policy]] ✓
*[[/Ref|Changes to References guideline]] ✓
*[[/Ref|Changes to References guideline]] ✓
*[[/User|Introduction of the User Manual]]
*[[/User|Introduction of the User Manual]]
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The only further amendment I would add would be the consensus recorded in [[Talk:Activation_Index|this discussion]], where your users agreed to have the wiki's data reflect the most recent canon in the timeline, versus merely reflecting the most recently released. In their words, ''"Halopedia is kind of like a document made by ONI, recording everything in Halo."''. That seems to be a worthy standard to add (though I do not see why my own Archives would not record better than those naval agents.)
The only further amendment I would add would be the consensus recorded in [[Talk:Activation_Index|this discussion]], where your users agreed to have the wiki's data reflect the most recent canon in the timeline, versus merely reflecting the most recently released. In their words, ''"Halopedia is kind of like a document made by ONI, recording everything in Halo."''. That seems to be a worthy standard to add (though I do not see why my own Archives would not record better than those naval agents.)


The rest, however, is suitable. Now to inspect the delay in my facilities' functions... [[File:Reticent Expositor Sig.PNG|180px|Greetings! I am 306 Reticent Expositor, Monitor of the Archives.|link=User:Reticent Expositor]] 12:34, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
The rest, however, is suitable. Now to inspect the delay in my facilities' functions... Reticent Expositor 12:34, 13 May 2012 (EDT)


:We could do a Gallery namespace [[mariowiki:Gallery:Super Mario Galaxy 2|like this]] instead of the current category method for better image organization, plus the images wouldn't be tagged as unused. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 12:56, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:We could do a Gallery namespace [[mariowiki:Gallery:Super Mario Galaxy 2|like this]] instead of the current category method for better image organization, plus the images wouldn't be tagged as unused. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">'''[[User:Porplemontage|Steve]]'''</span> (''[[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]'') <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.getfirefox.com https://www.halopedia.org/images/firefox_27x15.png]</span> 12:56, 13 May 2012 (EDT)


::I was thinking of that, but thought that having an image category works as well. If you can enable it, I'll make the necessary changes to the template... and hopefully others can assist me in reorganising the images accordingly. :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:00, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
::I was thinking of that, but thought that having an image category works as well. If you can enable it, I'll make the necessary changes to the template... and hopefully others can assist me in reorganising the images accordingly. :P — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:00, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:::Should be no issue. I can always use Nicbot to change the template in all the articles if necessary. - [[File:Major.png|20px]] [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span></sup> 13:30, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:::Should be no issue. I can always use Nicbot to change the template in all the articles if necessary. - [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span></sup> 13:30, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
::::Nicbot is still operational? Yay! Perhaps it can also update the [[Challenges]] article? [[User:31stCenturyBot|The previous bot]] is no longer in operation and [[user:31stCenturyMatt|its handler]] cannot be contacted as to ask why this is so.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:58, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
::::Nicbot is still operational? Yay! Perhaps it can also update the [[Challenges]] article? [[User:31stCenturyBot|The previous bot]] is no longer in operation and [[user:31stCenturyMatt|its handler]] cannot be contacted as to ask why this is so.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:58, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::Nicbot never went out of operation :P As for the Challenges table, I've no idea how I could do that but the source code of Matt's bot is available so I could try figuring it out... Is he definitely out of contact? - [[File:Major.png|20px]] [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span></sup> 14:46, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::Nicbot never went out of operation :P As for the Challenges table, I've no idea how I could do that but the source code of Matt's bot is available so I could try figuring it out... Is he definitely out of contact? - [[User:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Nìcmávr</span>]] <sup><span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">(</span>[[User Talk:Nicmavr|<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod; font-weight:bold">Tálk</span>]]<span style="color:DarkGoldenrod">)</span></sup> 14:46, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:I created the Gallery namespace. The current method is supported through GalleryCat, and when a subject's gallery page is complete, switch to Gallery to link to the new page. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 14:43, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:I created the Gallery namespace. The current method is supported through GalleryCat, and when a subject's gallery page is complete, switch to Gallery to link to the new page. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">'''[[User:Porplemontage|Steve]]'''</span> (''[[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]'') <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.getfirefox.com https://www.halopedia.org/images/firefox_27x15.png]</span> 14:43, 13 May 2012 (EDT)


The source for 31stCenturyBot is located [[User:31stCenturyBot/Source|here]].-- <span style="color: #7BA05B; font-weight:bold; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><tt>KEEP IT CLEAN</tt></span> <sup>[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Comm Line'''</u></font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Transmissions'''</u></font>]]</sub> 16:40, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
The source for 31stCenturyBot is located [[User:31stCenturyBot/Source|here]].-- <span style="color: #7BA05B; font-weight:bold; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"><tt>KEEP IT CLEAN</tt></span> <sup>[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Comm Line'''</u></font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Black"><u>'''Transmissions'''</u></font>]]</sub> 16:40, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
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:To make it more easily-accessible on what has been altered, the proposed changes/improvement will be in a yellow box. :) — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  14:29, 23 May 2012 (EDT)
:To make it more easily-accessible on what has been altered, the proposed changes/improvement will be in a yellow box. :) — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  14:29, 23 May 2012 (EDT)


I think we need to decide on the article naming convention. For example, we have the [[ARC-920]], the abbreviated name of the Asymmetric Recoilless Carbine-920, as the article name. But, we also have the [[M41 Surface-to-Surface Rocket Medium Anti-Vehicle/Assault Weapon]] (''pant'') as the article name for the rocket launcher. One uses the abbreviated designation, while the other uses the entire designation. There is a similar problem with vehicles: [[AV-14 Hornet]] (designation + nickname) and [[M12 Force Application Vehicle]] (designation and no nickname). These are just some examples. There are a lot more. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 00:56, 26 May 2012 (EDT)
I think we need to decide on the article naming convention. For example, we have the [[ARC-920]], the abbreviated name of the Asymmetric Recoilless Carbine-920, as the article name. But, we also have the [[M41 Surface-to-Surface Rocket Medium Anti-Vehicle/Assault Weapon]] (''pant'') as the article name for the rocket launcher. One uses the abbreviated designation, while the other uses the entire designation. There is a similar problem with vehicles: [[AV-14 Hornet]] (designation + nickname) and [[M12 Force Application Vehicle]] (designation and no nickname). These are just some examples. There are a lot more. —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] <sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 00:56, 26 May 2012 (EDT)
:So, I guess we should use the following naming convention: just short abbreviation for weapon articles (i.e. ARC-920 over long-title-here-yay!) and designation with nickname for vehicle articles (i.e. M12 FAV Warthog instead of M12 Flalala-Alalala-Vlalala)? Of course, ship articles won't follow this style.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  06:40, 26 May 2012 (EDT)
:So, I guess we should use the following naming convention: just short abbreviation for weapon articles (i.e. ARC-920 over long-title-here-yay!) and designation with nickname for vehicle articles (i.e. M12 FAV Warthog instead of M12 Flalala-Alalala-Vlalala)? Of course, ship articles won't follow this style.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  06:40, 26 May 2012 (EDT)


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:I agree. Only significant quotes should be mentioned, not every possible thing a character says. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:11, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
:I agree. Only significant quotes should be mentioned, not every possible thing a character says. --[[User:Jugus|<font color="MidnightBlue"><b>Jugus</b></font>]] <small>([[User talk:Jugus|<font color="Gray">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jugus|<font color="Gray">Contribs</font>]])</small> 13:11, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
::So should we keep IWHBYD quotes on those pages?--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 13:51, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
::So should we keep IWHBYD quotes on those pages?--''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color:Green; font-weight:bold; font-family:Arial">Spartacus</span>]]'' <sup>('''[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Grey">Contribs</font>]]''')</sup> 13:51, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
:::Duh. Those are not like "Grenade!" The ones we are talking about are the ones that don't really constitute as a good "quote". Same thing with the John-117's quotes. "Captain Keyes." Crowning moment of awesome, but not really a "quote". —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]] [[File:Bubbleshieldhud.svg|14px]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[User profile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 13:59, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
:::Duh. Those are not like "Grenade!" The ones we are talking about are the ones that don't really constitute as a good "quote". Same thing with the John-117's quotes. "Captain Keyes." Crowning moment of awesome, but not really a "quote". —[[User:Spartan331|<span style="color:silver;">S331</span>]]<sub>([[User talk:Spartan331|COM]] • [[Special:Contributions/Spartan331|Mission Log]] • [[UserProfile:Spartan331|Profile]])</sub> 13:59, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
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Also, feel free to add any changes/new policies you (users in general) think should be made. This is a community effort, not just one single user.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:52, 28 May 2012 (EDT)
Also, feel free to add any changes/new policies you (users in general) think should be made. This is a community effort, not just one single user.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:52, 28 May 2012 (EDT)


Let's shelve the Gallery namespace idea at least for now. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 18:09, 22 June 2012 (EDT)
Let's shelve the Gallery namespace idea at least for now. --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">'''[[User:Porplemontage|Steve]]'''</span> (''[[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]'') <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.getfirefox.com https://www.halopedia.org/images/firefox_27x15.png]</span> 18:09, 22 June 2012 (EDT)


:I'll just hide the link to the proposed guideline page. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:20, 25 June 2012 (EDT)
:I'll just hide the link to the proposed guideline page. — <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  09:20, 25 June 2012 (EDT)


Well, it's been over a month since this forum was first created. Tons of updates and amendments. Before these updates/amendments are applied to their relevant pages, does anyone have anything else to say about these updates/amendments or anyone opposing the changes made? Only the ones with a check mark will be applied, while the rest will still undergo an active and thorough review.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:17, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
Well, it's been over a month since this forum was first created. Tons of updates and amendments. Before these updates/amendments are applied to their relevant pages, does anyone have anything else to say about these updates/amendments or anyone opposing the changes made? Only the ones with a check mark will be applied, while the rest will still undergo an active and thorough review.— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span>  13:17, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
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