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Their appearance is the number one thing that I am working on. People always say, "The Forerunners appearance will never be revealed !!!" But I am working on a real life experience project called operation Forerunner. All I have so far is some info on there background and appearance. The forerunners were currently alive in 97448 BC. I also have a hand... a forerunner hand that I have sketched onto a lined piece of paper. The six finger idea came from the idea of the forerunner hand print on the level, Sacred icon. | Their appearance is the number one thing that I am working on. People always say, "The Forerunners appearance will never be revealed !!!" But I am working on a real life experience project called operation Forerunner. All I have so far is some info on there background and appearance. The forerunners were currently alive in 97448 BC. I also have a hand... a forerunner hand that I have sketched onto a lined piece of paper. The six finger idea came from the idea of the forerunner hand print on the level, Sacred icon. | ||
''''"Note: in the last mission on Halo 3 (Halo) in the cut scene before fighting the Monitor, 343 Guilty Spark says to the Master Chief "You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are Forerunner." This has led to many fans concluding that Humanity and the Forerunner are one and the same, and various passages from the books support this. Another strong indicator is that Humans can activate and use Forerunner technology without dissecting and reverse engineering it. However the Terminals suggest that the "Librarian" was on the Earth with early modern humans 100,000 years ago. This is also made more obvious by the fact that a portal was built in East Africa to allow humans to reach the Ark. It is suggested that humans were considered to be "special" and we were decided to be the "inheritors of all they left behind."'''' | ''''"Note: in the last mission on Halo 3 (Halo) in the cut scene before fighting the Monitor, 343 Guilty Spark says to the Master Chief "You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are Forerunner." This has led to many fans concluding that Humanity and the Forerunner are one and the same, and various passages from the books support this. Another strong indicator is that Humans can activate and use Forerunner technology without dissecting and reverse engineering it. However the Terminals suggest that the "Librarian" was on the Earth with early modern humans 100,000 years ago. This is also made more obvious by the fact that a portal was built in East Africa to allow humans to reach the Ark. It is suggested that humans were considered to be "special" and we were decided to be the "inheritors of all they left behind."'''' | ||
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...You really thought that one over, didn't you? | ...You really thought that one over, didn't you? | ||
:Yeah. But one thing I forgot to add. The Forerunner hand in ''Halo 2'', that I am not sure about because ''Halo Wars'' confused me. I thought that the spere needed Forerunner hand prints to activate it and that Human hands and | :Yeah. But one thing I forgot to add. The Forerunner hand in ''Halo 2'', that I am not sure about because ''Halo Wars'' confused me. I thought that the spere needed Forerunner hand prints to activate it and that Human hands and Forerunner hands are the same, but then I looked it up on here and it said that it was wating for a RECLAMER to activate it. So the Forerunners reprogramed it, if there hands are as the one in ''Halo 2'' because I am still not sure about it, but novel trilogy should reveale the truth. - Anonnimous 11:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
It's kind of hard to tell what exactly you are trying to say. | It's kind of hard to tell what exactly you are trying to say. First of all John may have been born on another planet, but his ancestors were most definitely Earthling (why he is in the UNSC and human). Also, Miranda Keyes is identified as Reclaimer (as are most humans, at least at first). Then their is the link between the Ark and Earth: in Africa(the uncontested birthplace of man-kind) there is a direct link by slip-space portal to the Ark, the central installation for controlling the Flood, which indicates that after the Flood had starved, Forerunners living in the Ark began to return to the world with all now unusable do to the lack of knowledge on how to use it so they had to re adapt to life. Also, the war makes a whole lot more sense if Humans are in fact forerunner. The Prophets(specifically Truth), realizing that the continued existance of the ones that they call "Gods," jeapordizes their place of authority at the top of the Covenant. It also helps explain how Regret found Earth while not expecting humans to be there (especially over Africa). He was looking for the Ark and was not considered important enough by truth to know that humans were Forerunner.--[[User:Werefang|<font color="#006400">'''''<u>Were</u>'''''</font>]][[User talk:Werefang|<font color="#006400">'''''<u>fan</u>g'''''</font>]] 17:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I see your point, but the Forerunner Librarian was on Earth and was not in the Forerunner's sacrefic, plus, I still think that she and Didact mated, with her having twins on Earth (maybe having N'chala act as their grandfather if N'chala met the Librarian, which I think they did). Plus they could not trase back ancestors from 97448 BC. Now the prophets predictio of Humans being Forerunners was wrong. 032 Medicant Bias was not spusific enuff in ''Halo: Contact Harvest''. Now I hope this will not cunfuse you no more, Werefang. Now were did you get Miranda Keyes from because I did not menton her in the first one. - Anonnimous 11:27, 14 July 2009 | :I see your point, but the Forerunner Librarian was on Earth and was not in the Forerunner's sacrefic, plus, I still think that she and Didact mated, with her having twins on Earth (maybe having N'chala act as their grandfather if N'chala met the Librarian, which I think they did). Plus they could not trase back ancestors from 97448 BC. Now the prophets predictio of Humans being Forerunners was wrong. 032 Medicant Bias was not spusific enuff in ''Halo: Contact Harvest''. Now I hope this will not cunfuse you no more, Werefang. Now were did you get Miranda Keyes from because I did not menton her in the first one. - Anonnimous 11:27, 14 July 2009 | ||
Holy Shit man, you can write. Anyway, how would two part-Forunners mating make a 100% forunner baby? | Holy Shit man, you can write. Anyway, how would two part-Forunners mating make a 100% forunner baby? That doesn't add up, First born would be 100%, children 50, 25, 12.5, 6.25, 3.125, 1.5625, 0.78125, 0.390625, and that's only 9 generations, it was over 2552+B.C.+time on the Ark, the numbers would be totally insignificant by now, er then. Everything else pretty much makes sense.--[[User talk:Kre 'Nunumee|Kre 'Nunumee]] 06:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
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:Thanks, man. Now to answer your question, this is just a theory, but a very likely one. | :Thanks, man. Now to answer your question, this is just a theory, but a very likely one. The novel trilogy should confirm the truth. Sorry for the long delay. - Anonnimous 3:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Here's what I know. | :Here's what I know. | ||
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:*In order to stall for time, Didact had Mendicant Bias created. Bias's mission was to study the Flood. To do this, Bias would have to leave the Maginot Sphere; he did. | :*In order to stall for time, Didact had Mendicant Bias created. Bias's mission was to study the Flood. To do this, Bias would have to leave the Maginot Sphere; he did. | ||
:*As the Librarian continued to index species outside the Maginot Sphere, Bias continued his travels. | :*As the Librarian continued to index species outside the Maginot Sphere, Bias continued his travels. | ||
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*:The Librarian found Earth, and was quite amazed by the variety of wildlife on the planet. and by humanity. | *:The Librarian found Earth, and was quite amazed by the variety of wildlife on the planet. and by humanity. | ||
:*Mendicant Bias is corrupted by the Gravemind. He sends threats to the Forerunners while preparing to attack them. | :*Mendicant Bias is corrupted by the Gravemind. He sends threats to the Forerunners while preparing to attack them. | ||
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:*The sentient species would eventually find their way back to their home planets, though to my knowledge it isn't known how. Perhaps some AI or construct teleported them back? | :*The sentient species would eventually find their way back to their home planets, though to my knowledge it isn't known how. Perhaps some AI or construct teleported them back? | ||
:**It's widely acknowledged that humans originated in Africa, and in the "Haloverse", the Portal is located there. Perhaps that was their particular method of return? | :**It's widely acknowledged that humans originated in Africa, and in the "Haloverse", the Portal is located there. Perhaps that was their particular method of return? | ||
:Now, we don't know how much time passed between the Librarian's discovery of Earth and Didact's activation of the Halo rings, but it is entirely possible that she could have sent some data or command to the Halos or the Ark, "registering" the humans as potential Reclaimers. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :Now, we don't know how much time passed between the Librarian's discovery of Earth and Didact's activation of the Halo rings, but it is entirely possible that she could have sent some data or command to the Halos or the Ark, "registering" the humans as potential Reclaimers. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 01:14, September 17, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Good theory, yet, I still think The Librarian was the only Forerunner that did not die in the activation, and had this underground highway looking strucure built right next to the portal, and when the rings activated, this strucure would shot a beam up in the sky and when hitting above the atmosheare, it would make a shield around the planet, prtecting it from the array's firing, a this is another theory of mine, it may involve the Legendary ending of ''Halo 3:ODST'' (that Forerunner strucure at the end is the one I am talking about, but it could be a part of the portal), but to go with your theory and my theory of The Librarian giving birth to twins on Earth, DavidJCobb, She may have given birth before activation and gave her children to N'chala, who then broght them with him when he went to the Ark and then once getting back to Earth, he toke care of them and became their guardian. But like I have said before (and I know I have said it a lot and it may be tiering to hear XD, but it is true), the novel trilogy should confirm the truth. BTW, the AI that teleported all the sentient beng back to their home planets that your talking about in your theory, DavidJCobb, maybe the AI from the Iris campain (can't spell the name) or Offensive Bias. - Anonnimous 5:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC) | ::Good theory, yet, I still think The Librarian was the only Forerunner that did not die in the activation, and had this underground highway looking strucure built right next to the portal, and when the rings activated, this strucure would shot a beam up in the sky and when hitting above the atmosheare, it would make a shield around the planet, prtecting it from the array's firing, a this is another theory of mine, it may involve the Legendary ending of ''Halo 3:ODST'' (that Forerunner strucure at the end is the one I am talking about, but it could be a part of the portal), but to go with your theory and my theory of The Librarian giving birth to twins on Earth, DavidJCobb, She may have given birth before activation and gave her children to N'chala, who then broght them with him when he went to the Ark and then once getting back to Earth, he toke care of them and became their guardian. But like I have said before (and I know I have said it a lot and it may be tiering to hear XD, but it is true), the novel trilogy should confirm the truth. BTW, the AI that teleported all the sentient beng back to their home planets that your talking about in your theory, DavidJCobb, maybe the AI from the Iris campain (can't spell the name) or Offensive Bias. - Anonnimous 5:11, 5 October 2009 (UTC) | ||
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::Good Theory, Michael. Now for you question, Fluffball Gato, John maybe a Forerunner desendent, I think Didact and Lilbrarian, and Sparks knew about it, read the begining of this artice for more info, so I hope that sums it up for you. Anyways, sorry I have been gone for a while, but since of ''Halo: Reach'''s new trailer premier on Spike (which was awesome BTW), I thought I'd get back to this artice. Anywho, the ''Encyclopedia'' confirmed a lot about the Forerunners, so for once I'm not saying the novel trilogy will confirm these things XD. We'll talk about them later, I just thought I'd give a heads up on it. - Anonnimous 10:55 12 December 2009 (UTC) | ::Good Theory, Michael. Now for you question, Fluffball Gato, John maybe a Forerunner desendent, I think Didact and Lilbrarian, and Sparks knew about it, read the begining of this artice for more info, so I hope that sums it up for you. Anyways, sorry I have been gone for a while, but since of ''Halo: Reach'''s new trailer premier on Spike (which was awesome BTW), I thought I'd get back to this artice. Anywho, the ''Encyclopedia'' confirmed a lot about the Forerunners, so for once I'm not saying the novel trilogy will confirm these things XD. We'll talk about them later, I just thought I'd give a heads up on it. - Anonnimous 10:55 12 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
:: | ::HAHA! On January 2, we will finaly see what the Forerunners look like in part 1 of the ''Halo Legends'' short, Origins! I am so excited, and even thoe I don't wan't to spoile the shorts to myself until ''Halo Legends'' comes out on DVD and BlueRay, I will make an exception with this one, since we will finally see what the Forerunners will look! And you know whats funny? I thought the novel trilogy would sho use what the Forerunners would look like, but it looks like ''Legends'' will show use what they look like first, probebly as a sneak peek, and from the looks of things, the Forerunners do NOT have six fingers, but five, just like Humans, meaning that the apex shere was just like that always and not reprogramed for Humans, and that the hand from ''Halo 2'' was just a design, and this maybe why Humans can access Forerunner technology! So two other things that the novel trilogy did not confirm, but I'll be back on Saturday will this exciting sneak peek! I just can't wate! XD - Anonnimous 10:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC) | ||
:: | :::Well, after a HUGE break, I'm back. Well, Legends is out, and it was great! Sorry I did not get back on January 2. Now I have to say something. My theory of Librarian and Didact mating might not have happened at the time Earth was discovered. And now we see that the Librarian DID die in the activation of the array, but that Didact survived by activating the rings at the Ark, but Legends shows that he activated one of the rings at that ring, but the ending of Origins 1 shows he survived, so that may have been a simulated fire of that ring. But what do you guys think? - Anonnimous 12:23, 11 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
==Strange Forerunner symbol== | |||
I first noticed that this symbol was seen on the front cover of [[Ghosts of Onyx]]. In the book it is described as the symbol for Shield World. Then I noticed that it is seen in the [[terminals]] in [[Halo 3]]. Then it is also seen on top of [[343 Guilty Spark]]'s "head." AND, if you look closely, it is behind the Marathon symbol on Guilty Spark. Does anybody know what the symbol means? [[User: AdjutantBias]] | I first noticed that this symbol was seen on the front cover of [[Ghosts of Onyx]]. In the book it is described as the symbol for Shield World. Then I noticed that it is seen in the [[terminals]] in [[Halo 3]]. Then it is also seen on top of [[343 Guilty Spark]]'s "head." AND, if you look closely, it is behind the Marathon symbol on Guilty Spark. Does anybody know what the symbol means? [[User: AdjutantBias]] | ||
That is accully the main emblem of the Forerunners. It is also seen in ''Halo'' and ''Halo 2''. - anonnomus 9:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:I added Cryptum's cover to the gallery above. Has anyone else made the connection between this and the floating structures seen in Halo 4's concept art? I think the symbol could have been based upon/used to represent Forerunner architecture. Pause the concept art trailer at 0:43 and you can see another example of a similar structure. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 07:33, 14 January 2012 (EST) | |||
:The Forerunner Trilogy is using actual Halo 4 concept art for their covers. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 15:48, 14 January 2012 (EST) | |||
::I'm aware of that thanks. I'm saying that Halo 4's concept art (Cryptum's cover included) seems reminiscent of that symbol. -[[User:TheLostJedi|'''<span style="color:maroon">TheLostJedi</span>''']] 11:56, 15 January 2012 (EST) | |||
:::Sorry, I must have misread your statement. There have been statements in the novels that Forerunner glyphs have multi-dimensional aspects, and we see a few symbols dissected in layers during animations in H:CEA. I suppose it makes sense that Forerunners would build using glyphs as an architectural basis, or vice versa. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 23:30, 15 January 2012 (EST) | |||
== Forerunners Ain't Dead == | == Forerunners Ain't Dead == | ||
I believe that >>SOME<< Forerunners were alive after the activation. They had to be to get all the indexed species back home. Also, out of the shield worlds we have seen, they were probably used, but abandoned after the firing. Not saying they're alive now, but there would of been some in the Ark, and the numerous Shield Worlds. They could of even moved onto another galaxy afterwards. [[Special:Contributions/61.68.59.131|61.68.59.131]] 00:31, October 5, 2009 (UTC) | I believe that >>SOME<< Forerunners were alive after the activation. They had to be to get all the indexed species back home. Also, out of the shield worlds we have seen, they were probably used, but abandoned after the firing. Not saying they're alive now, but there would of been some in the Ark, and the numerous Shield Worlds. They could of even moved onto another galaxy afterwards. [[Special:Contributions/61.68.59.131|61.68.59.131]] 00:31, October 5, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:AI-controlled robots could've guided the species back home, or perhaps the species just found the Portal(s) and returned home on their own. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b> | :AI-controlled robots could've guided the species back home, or perhaps the species just found the Portal(s) and returned home on their own. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"><b>File:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] [[User:DavidJCobb|<span style="color:#000;position:relative;top:.15em">DavidJCobb </span>]]</b></span> 01:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Its stated in halo legends that the sheild worlds got attacked by flood and it says that sentinals and monitors guided the speices home hey were not born yet so they couldnt do it on their own it was much like nowas ark when they activated the rings[[User talk:Spartan238|Adrian Shephard]] 15:03, July 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Forerunners and Hellenic Mythology == | == Forerunners and Hellenic Mythology == | ||
The references seen in TRIVIA about Greek Mythology are not right because as seen in texts of Hsiod, the did destroyed, but because of gods will and not from conflicts with monsters created by gods(like the children of Ehidna). I believe that Forerunners refer to the Olympic Gods themselves, because we can see that humanity is or | The references seen in TRIVIA about Greek Mythology are not right because as seen in texts of Hsiod, the did destroyed, but because of gods will and not from conflicts with monsters created by gods(like the children of Ehidna). I believe that Forerunners refer to the Olympic Gods themselves, because we can see that humanity is or survived Forerunners or creations of them(or genetically modified species because in comics we see humans of pre-historic time observe Forerunner' machines). Moreover, children of Gods are races such as Greeks and Atlantians. When guilty spark says Master Chief 'Forerunner' or 'Forerunners child', he may indeed refes to the blood-types between Forerunners and some of humans.--[[User talk:Kronusslayer|Kronusslayer]] 14:55, October 20, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Concerning The Flood Forerunner War == | == Concerning The Flood Forerunner War == | ||
The Forerunners actually found the Flood on a planet so is it possible the Flood infestation they found spreads across different planets not yet found or possibly other galaxies?[I know this probably should have been put in the Flood disscussion sry] | The Forerunners actually found the Flood on a planet so is it possible the Flood infestation they found spreads across different planets not yet found or possibly other galaxies?[I know this probably should have been put in the Flood disscussion sry] --[[User talk:Didact Ambrose 13|Didact Ambrose 13]] 02:03, November 28, 2009 (UTC)Didact Ambrose 13 | ||
== | Yes it has spread but to an unknown number of galaxies and planets only [[Bungie]] knows [[User talk:Alertfiend|Alertfiend]] 08:58, March 6, 2010 (UTC) | ||
***SPOILER for Cryptom | |||
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New knowlege from Cryptum pages 268-272 show that the early human empire was the first to discover the flood. They found seemingly benign biological material contained in glass jars on ancient starships that were completely automated. Posiible origin was from one of the Magellanic clouds, precise origin unknown. Thus we can conclude from Cryptum that the Foreruner only learned of the flood after the Human Forerunner war concluded 10,000 years before the book occured and that the discovery was in the 340 year period before the start of the book. | |||
[[User talk:Deep Reverence|Deep Reverence]] 23:48, 12 January 2011 (EST) | |||
== Accelerated Evolution?== | |||
{{Quote|The Forerunners were highly technologically advanced during their reign; some speculated that the ancient faction had the ability to accelerate a species stage development.|Unknown Contributor}} | {{Quote|The Forerunners were highly technologically advanced during their reign; some speculated that the ancient faction had the ability to accelerate a species stage development.|Unknown Contributor}} | ||
Where in the Halo Universe is a supposed acceleration of evolution ever even implied? Certainly they created the Huragok from scratch, but no other Covenant species holds any belief that they were "accelerated" by the Forerunners, beyond mere technological repurposing. I think the quote is confusing the Forerunners with the older Precursors, which even the Forerunners knew little about. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 10:49, November 28, 2009 (UTC) | Where in the Halo Universe is a supposed acceleration of evolution ever even implied? Certainly they created the Huragok from scratch, but no other Covenant species holds any belief that they were "accelerated" by the Forerunners, beyond mere technological repurposing. I think the quote is confusing the Forerunners with the older Precursors, which even the Forerunners knew little about. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 10:49, November 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I can't give you a direct source for this information, but throughout the story of 'Halo' it is heavily implied that the Forerunners accelerated the evolution of humanity. | :I can't give you a direct source for this information, but throughout the story of 'Halo' it is heavily implied that the Forerunners accelerated the evolution of humanity. Just think: They refer to Earth as a good place to keep their legacy going, humanity is the only species capable of activating installations, humanity is, multiple times, referred to as the "child" of the Forerunners... The list of implications is pretty much endless. Humanity advanced from tier 5 to tier 3 in less than five centuries, while the Covenant got from tier 4 to tier 2 in 1,000 years. The Forerunners granted humanity "the mantle", doesn't that prove something? I know I am getting pretty deep into the Halo story, but I am sure that is what the quote means. It has taken me two years to grasp a hold of the concept. --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 18:41, November 28, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::That doesn't ''prove'' anything. The only thing the evidence indicates is that they regarded humanity as special, perhaps similar to themselves in some hazily defined way - it doesn't say anything about their advancement and evolution being artificially advanced by the Forerunners. And in terms of their technological achievements - we only reached the Industrial Revolution in the 18th and 19th centuries, about 98,000 years after the activation of the Halo's - even the Elites were already a spacefaring race in the 1000th Century B.C.E., largely without Forerunner influence. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 10:00, November 29, 2009 (UTC) | ::That doesn't ''prove'' anything. The only thing the evidence indicates is that they regarded humanity as special, perhaps similar to themselves in some hazily defined way - it doesn't say anything about their advancement and evolution being artificially advanced by the Forerunners. And in terms of their technological achievements - we only reached the Industrial Revolution in the 18th and 19th centuries, about 98,000 years after the activation of the Halo's - even the Elites were already a spacefaring race in the 1000th Century B.C.E., largely without Forerunner influence. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 10:00, November 29, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::You have to admit the implications are outstanding, though. Humanity being their "Reclaimers" and such. Besides, we do not know what technological tier the Sangheili were at when the rings were fired. I have always presumed they were considerably further than humanity at that point. By the 26th century humanity is gaining on them, surpassing two tiers in five centuries. | :::You have to admit the implications are outstanding, though. Humanity being their "Reclaimers" and such. Besides, we do not know what technological tier the Sangheili were at when the rings were fired. I have always presumed they were considerably further than humanity at that point. By the 26th century humanity is gaining on them, surpassing two tiers in five centuries. And again, surely you have noticed all the biblical references in Halo, correct? Remember in Halo: Combat Evolved when 343 Guilty Spark mistakes the Master Chief for a Forerunner, presumably Didact? And seeing as the two races can share the same make of 'combat skins' it it blatantly obvious that the two races looked remarkably similar, possibly identical. Hopefully you have caught the biblical reference- 'God created man in his own image.' I have never even read the Bible yet I know that line. Also, in the book Ringworld, which has many, many influences for Halo, has the creators of the Ring be considered "gods"... And they look exactly like humanity. I highly doubt this is parallel evolution, as that theory makes absolutely no sense. The heavy implication has been that the Forerunners found Earth and accelerated the evolution of primates to look more and more like themselves. Remember how the Librarian stated they were giving "the Mantle" to humanity? They had to have done that by artificial means, implanting such beliefs or creating them. You asked when the "acceleration of evolution is ever even implied," and I just gave you an answer. --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 18:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this matter. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 20:33, November 30, 2009 (UTC) | :::You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this matter. -- <b>[[Halopedia:Administrators|<font color=indigo>Administrator</font>]] [[User:Specops306|<font color=indigo>Specops306</font>]]</b> - <i><b><u>[[User Talk:Specops306|<font color=blue>Qur'a 'Morhek</font>]]</u></b></i> 20:33, November 30, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::I accept that. --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 23:25, November 30, 2009 (UTC) | ::I accept that. --[[User talk:Sangheili Commando 021: Fluffball Gato|Fluffball Gato]] 23:25, November 30, 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Actually the race capable of accelerating the stages of evolution was the Precursors, who were somewhat seen as gods by the Forerunners. They believed the Precursors passed the Mantle down to them and then left the galaxy. They are supposed to be Tier 0, a theoretical ceiling to the Forerunner Technological Achievement Tiers. At Tier 0 they posses more advanced technology than the Forerunner had (Tier 1) and besides being able to accelerate evolution, were transsentient (capable of traveling between galaxies). -- [[User talk:CMDR MUSHU|CMDR MUSHU]] 18:53, August 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Population == | == Population == | ||
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So in conclusion what i'm getting at is that we add something along these lines to the article (probably in the overview): '''The total population of the entire Forerunner race is over 226,911,000,000.''' And then reference that to the first terminal text and maybe this post for reference on how that specific number came to be via inference. I wanted to run this past the site members to get feedback and so people understand the reasoning behind the aforementioned statement before it is included in the article, if included at all. Thanks for reading, please comment: | So in conclusion what i'm getting at is that we add something along these lines to the article (probably in the overview): '''The total population of the entire Forerunner race is over 226,911,000,000.''' And then reference that to the first terminal text and maybe this post for reference on how that specific number came to be via inference. I wanted to run this past the site members to get feedback and so people understand the reasoning behind the aforementioned statement before it is included in the article, if included at all. Thanks for reading, please comment: | ||
[[User:The parkster|<font color="#ff6600">'''''the parkster'''''</font>]] | [[User:The parkster|<font color="#ff6600">'''''the parkster'''''</font>]] [[wikia:Burnout:Main Page|<font color="gray"><small>'''@Burnopedia'''</small></font>]] 20:04, December 20, 2009 (UTC) | ||
:They might have been talking about the entire population. I think they'd have specified it if they were talking about one particular planet. On top of that, that would have to be a pretty large planet to support that many Forerunner. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 02:16, December 22, 2009 (UTC) | :They might have been talking about the entire population. I think they'd have specified it if they were talking about one particular planet. On top of that, that would have to be a pretty large planet to support that many Forerunner. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#770000; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 02:16, December 22, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Most likely this is the total population, why are you baffled by this? The forerunners have the capability to build artificial planets, so most | Most likely this is the total population, why are you baffled by this? The forerunners have the capability to build artificial planets, so most likely seeing as they have a large population they started building planets to live on. in that case you would have in inhabitants on the inner and outer shells of the planet. [[User talk:Grey101|grey]] 20:57, December 30, 2009 (UTC) | ||
it is not unrealistic for an interstellar race to have such a huge population, lets do the math; first, we know they are very similiar to humans; second, we know that Earth is able to support about 5 Billion humans; so 227 billion divided by 5 billion comes out to just over 45 Earths, which for a race of their technology is not a lot, [[User talk:Andrew-108|Andrew-108]] 22:19, September 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Regardless. Right now their population is 0. As, if I remember correctly, this Wikia is from a 2553 viewpoint (correct me if I'm wrong) so as far as we know their population would be 0. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 19:14, 10 March 2011 (EST)!!!! | |||
== Forerunner hand == | == Forerunner hand == | ||
It seems that the trailer for halo origins shows a forerunner hand at the end and also appears to be setting the background story for halowars seeing as the dreadnoughts are seen in a familiar fashion. | It seems that the trailer for halo origins shows a forerunner hand at the end and also appears to be setting the background story for halowars seeing as the dreadnoughts are seen in a familiar fashion. | ||
[[ | [[File:H2-Containment shield panel 2.png|thumb|right|Other Forerunner Hand.]] | ||
It could also be cortana's hand. | It could also be cortana's hand. | ||
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I didnt know that. Do we have an article about that? -- Heretic Havana | I didnt know that. Do we have an article about that? -- Heretic Havana | ||
Just thought that I would bring up a point that it's the Arbiter's hand that touches the panel ,so how does it work for him seeing as he's an elite? | |||
But it isn't the Arbiter's hand. It is clearly some other species. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 19:17, 10 March 2011 (EST)!! | |||
== Forerunner may still be alive == | == Forerunner may still be alive == | ||
At the end of origins a hand is seen locking a door with forerunner armor in it, since this is shown after the war it is possible some forerunner made it to a [[Shield World]] and survived. Also you can briefly see the back of someones head as the camera goes up, this head does not resemble a humans head so it has to be forerunner. | At the end of origins a hand is seen locking a door with forerunner armor in it, since this is shown after the war it is possible some forerunner made it to a [[Shield World]] and survived. Also you can briefly see the back of someones head as the camera goes up, this head does not resemble a humans head so it has to be forerunner. [[User talk:SanghelliS-104|SanghelliS-104]] 06:46, January 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== Forerunner Head == | == Forerunner Head == | ||
[[File:Frunner+ODST.jpg|thumb|right]] | [[File:Frunner+ODST.jpg|thumb|right]] | ||
If you look at the picture I made at the right, you can see that the helmets are mostly the same, apart from a few aesthetic differences. This is evidence that the Forerunners indeed looked almost exactly the same as humans; with the same hands, and mostly the same heads. -- | If you look at the picture I made at the right, you can see that the helmets are mostly the same, apart from a few aesthetic differences. This is evidence that the Forerunners indeed looked almost exactly the same as humans; with the same hands, and mostly the same heads. --<small><span style="border: 1px solid silver; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:General5 7|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> General5 7 </span>''']][[User talk:General5 7|<span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px"> talk </span>]][[Special:Contributions/General5 7|<span style="background-color:silver; color:white"> contribs </span>]][[Special:Emailuser/General5 7|<span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px"> email </span>]]</span></small> 22:40, January 3, 2010 (UTC) | ||
: I noticed that too, it shows very well the Forerunner influence on humanity.--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 01:37, January 4, 2010 (UTC) | : I noticed that too, it shows very well the Forerunner influence on humanity.--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 01:37, January 4, 2010 (UTC) | ||
: You cannot say that the Forerunners looked exactly like humans from a helmet. For we know, they could have a face so ugly even mighty Cthulu would barf from disgust. There have been canon works before in which the story is canon but not the appearance of the creatures. I imagine if Bungie shows us a Forerunner, it'll look far different.--[[User talk:Zervziel|Zervziel]] 03:06, January 18, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Birds == | == Birds == | ||
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To the original poster: well... if they spoke any other language, we wouldn't understand them, and it'd be just like watching someone speak a bunch of gibberish - which would be detrimental to the story, especially seeing as the dialogue must be understood to even tell the story in the first place. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 17:55, January 14, 2010 (UTC) | To the original poster: well... if they spoke any other language, we wouldn't understand them, and it'd be just like watching someone speak a bunch of gibberish - which would be detrimental to the story, especially seeing as the dialogue must be understood to even tell the story in the first place. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 17:55, January 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:But aren't the Covenant going to speak their own languages in ''Halo: Reach''?--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 23:52, January 14, 2010 (UTC) | :But aren't the Covenant going to speak their own languages in ''Halo: Reach''?--[[User talk:Sgt.T.N.Biscuits|Sgt.T.N.Biscuits]] 23:52, January 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::In battle, I think. That's just regular dialogue. I mean stuff like cutscenes or (in this case) terminals. Things used to advance the story. <b>[[User:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Smoke</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Smoke.|<span style="color:#404040; font-weight:bold; font-family:Tahoma Small Cap">Sound off!</span>]]</sup></b> 00:21, January 15, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I believe that the reason 2401 knew English may have been that 343 transmitted it to him. I think it's safe to say that the Monitors have ways of communicating from a distance. [[User talk:Karshí|Karshí]] 17:35, June 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
The answer also explains why the covenant are able speak English and how they are able to communicate with the humans. As it is known throughout the Halo universe, the Forerunners possessed very advanced translation software capable of detecting language and translating it into whichever other language needed to be heard. The Covenant were able to use this because most of their technology was either based on or just plain repurposed Forerunner technology. -- [[User talk:CMDR MUSHU|CMDR MUSHU]] 18:39, August 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I believe that the Sentinels and Monitors are a hive-mind of sorts. But it's like a one-way hive mind. As the Monitor sees what the Sentinels see but not vice-versa. Also, if the Monitor is compromised than it goes down to the next one in the chain of command (chain of command gotten from 2401 inactivity). So I think two things. One: That 343 Guilty Spark saw through the Sentinels, the Humans, and learned enough of their language to speak it fluently. Two: The Gravemind, having infected a human by that point; learned English. And either transferred that language to 2401 Penitent Tangent, or was real-time: downloading what 2401 would say before he said it, translated it, then transferred that data back to Tangent. I think he did one of these things to Regret too. Actually Never mind. Because read my next sentence and you'll see. And about the Chief and the Arbiter talking. I think that Cortana uploaded her new Covenant Translation software to the Mark VI before John got it. So John-117's voice would be translated to Covenant real-time. [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 19:33, 10 March 2011 (EST)!!!!!!!!! | |||
It's possible the monitors communicate using what is called in quantum mechanics, "entanglement". When 2 photons are created from annihilating paired electron-/positron+ the two photons are entangled. When you are to change the state of one photon, let's call the state zero(0), the other instantaneously changes it's state, let's call it one(1), corresponding to the other even when separated by vast distances. Information can be relayed at a speed limited only by the processing capabilities of the transmitter and receiver devices. All advanced species in the Halo universe more than likely use a technology like this even Humans as radio is limited to the speed of light.[[User talk:Crippknottick|Crippknottick]] 23:46, 19 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
Going off topic here, but don't they utilize the same technology in Mass Effect. With the Illusive Man's communications? Vegerot goes RAWR! [[User:Vegerot|<span style="color:midnightblue; font-weight:bold">Vegerot</span>]] ([[User talk:Vegerot|<span style="color:grey">talk</span>]]) 21:30, 20 August 2011 (EDT)!! | |||
==The Final Journey== | |||
According to the Covenant, the Forerunners became gods after firing the rings. But this is not true because the Covenant were misguided. In the Halo Encyclopedia, it states that some Forerunners surivived by staying on the Ark and in shield worlds, but then after that they mysteriously packed up their stuff and left. Nobody knows where they went. Maybe, they could be hidding and waiting to once again rise to power. [[User talk:Spartan-08686|Spartan-08686]] 18:29, February 17, 2010 (UTC) | |||
It just doesn't make sense because 343 Guilty Spark has said that the Forerunners and all other sentient life in the area died. Yet somehow, they built these Sheild Worlds to protect themselves. That just doesn't make any sense. The plan never was for them to protect themselves, it was just to die and starve the Flood; in the hope that the Flood would die before another sentient species came into play. [[User talk:CovenantSeparatist|CovenantSeparatist]] 13:29, 15 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
Hmmmm good point | |||
HALO 4 : THE RISE OF THE FORERUNNERS!! | |||
they probably left our dimension to live in slipspace until another species learned to control slipspace well enough to get to them, or maybe they went to another galaxy to colonize or find the "precursors" [[User talk:Andrew-108|Andrew-108]] 22:04, September 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Ruined image? == | |||
LEgends is an alright viewing, and while it is said to be canon, I don't really think of it as such... cause, just look at the Duel... but my god, the Origins one really ruined hte forerunner image! Am I the only one who thinks this? [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 10:46, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:No, you are not the only one that thinks this, but <span style="color:red;">HALO LEGENDS IS CANON AND HALOPEDIA ACCEPTS IT AS SUCH!</span> - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 10:50, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Yes, I know it is Canon... pity they have so much artistic freedom. The storylines behind all but Odd One Out are canon, just not the art. [[User:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:red">DarkbelowHGR</span>]] [[User talk:Honor Guard Reborn|<span style="color:green">CommbandD</span>]] 11:24, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:No, direct contradictions in terms of visual depictions are termed as artistic license, but anything depicted in Halo Legends that does not conflict with any previous source is considered canon. Take Halsey's depiction in ''The Package'' as an example - Frankie stated that she was originally much younger, and was a redhead, because Casio wanted her to be your typical sexy anime chick. Her final depiction in the episode was the best compromise Frankie and 343 could make, and they accept it themselves to be an artistic license. But her depiction in Homecoming is much more accurate, apart from her greenish-blond hair, so we accept that as her appearance. - [[User:Halo-343|<span style="color: purple; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 128%;">'''Halo-343'''</span>]] [[User talk:Halo-343|<font color="red"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Talk'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Halo-343|<font color="orange"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Contribs'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] [[Special:Editcount/Halo-343|<font color="green"><nowiki>(</nowiki>'''Edits'''<nowiki>)</nowiki></font>]] 21:23, April 24, 2010 (UTC) | |||
For how much would they have beed hidden? At least, the appearence of the Forerunners is not very disappointing. I expected them to be less "humanoid" but, just like any other intelligent species in the galaxy (Elites, Brutes, humans, jackals...), the Forerunners have similar appearence with humans. I think that this what Halo tells us about the evolution of species is that, no matter where they start, they develop similarly.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 11:51, April 27, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== A Forerunner day? == | |||
A curiosity of mine that has come up: Is there any information on how long a single day was on the Forerunner homeworld? ([[User talk:Alpha Vanguard|Alpha Vanguard]] 09:29, May 4, 2010 (UTC)) | |||
well, we can safely guess estimate it as having a 7 in the number [[User talk:Andrew-108|Andrew-108]] 22:07, September 25, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Indexing == | |||
The Forerunner indexed other species but not themselves? [[Special:Contributions/69.180.72.138|69.180.72.138]] 20:04, August 22, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Well that depends on what you mean by Indexing. If you mean like putting them into the Index(the thing that stores all the DNA data on every Species that you use to activate the Array) then yes, they did. That is why the Forerunners were wiped out by the Array. If you mean like putting them on the Ark, then this is my unconfirmed answer. Yes, they were. So, after the Array fired and the Flood died then they just merely abandoned the Mantle and went to some other galaxy to do there future stuff.Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 21:00, August 22, 2010 (UTC)! | |||
== The foreunner name for their empire is Ecumene == | |||
What I said, taken from Halo Waypoint's glossary for Halo: cryptum. [[User talk:Jabberwockxeno|Jabberwockxeno]] 16:00, 4 January 2011 (EST) | |||
:Might want to hold that off until we actually get hold of Cryptum, to be safe. - <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:Subtank|<font color="gold"><font color="#FF4F00">5</font>əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7</font>aŋk</font>]]<sup>([[User talk:Subtank|<font color="#FF4F00">7alk</font>]])</sup></font> 16:54, 4 January 2011 (EST) | |||
it seems they are as technologed advanced as the percursors so what is the differnece | |||
:Good job posting in the wrong section with BAD English.[[#@lof@n1234]]-Forgive My English 15:48, 18 March 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Forerunners around for millions of years? == | |||
I remember coming across that piece of information in Halo: Cryptum, but I can't remember where. Does anybody know where it is, and if not, could you help me find it? I think that's kind of important for the article.--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 12:08, 12 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:So have humans; it's not that strange. We should probably take note that they may not have been anywhere near as advanced back then - the deactivation of Precursor technology would force them to develop on their own.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''''' 14:16, 12 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
::Actually, I remember that it stated Forerunners had been the protectors of the galaxy for a million years (or millions of years, I don't remember), so they obviously had been very advanced during that whole time. And the ''Homo'' genus has been around for millions of years, not ''Homo sapiens''.--File:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]]''[[User:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Fluffy</span><span style="color:gray; font-family:Verdana">Emo</span><span style="color:black; font-family:Verdana">Penguin</span>]]<sup><small>([[User talk:FluffyEmoPenguin|<span style="color:gray">ice quack!</span>]])''</small></sup> 13:56, 26 January 2013 (EST) | |||
== Architecture == | |||
It is not triangular. It is trapezoidal. Cursory examinations of textures and building shapes seen in Halo 3 will confirm this. [[Special:Contributions/69.250.233.227|69.250.233.227]] 01:28, 22 August 2011 (EDT) (DavidJCobb) | |||
==New picture source== | |||
What is the source of the new forerunner picture? I'm not disputing its validity, but it is completely unknown to me. [[User:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence'''</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''Phil'''</span>]], ''[[User talk:FatalSnipe117|<span style="color:green">'''pestilence!'''</span>]]'' 20:46, 29 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:It's from the second terminal for CE Aniversary. Still, it should be sourced within its description by the uploader.--[[User talk:Hawki|Hawki]] 21:02, 29 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
:: Im the Uploader, The picture has been properly sourced. If you click the photo it displays exactly where it was taken from inside of the summary. "Forerunner found inside of the Halo CEA Terminal #2" --[[User talk:Killerrin|Killerrin]] 13:04, 30 August 2011 (EDT) | |||
== Technology Only == | |||
Yes their technology appears in various media, but that does not constitute as an appearance of the ''Forerunner race'' in the flesh. So in my opinion, it should be removed.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 16:23 13 March 2012 (EST) | |||
^this. '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">('''or so it says in the sacred caves''')</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 18:49, 13 March 2012 (EDT)! | |||
== First appearance in Terminals, not Origins == | |||
While the look for the Forerunners seems to have been established from Origins, Origins is Cortana's interpretation of what happened. For all we know she could be imagining what Forerunners looked like. The Terminals should be the true first appearance of the Forerunners. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 00:14, 12 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
Well seeing as how they look the same (or close to the same) in both origins and the terminals, then one would assume that that wasn't just the imagination of a rampant AI [[User talk:Jac0bBau3r1995|Jac0bBau3r1995]] 03:58, 16 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
:The ''first appearance'' of the Forerunners would be ''Origins'', since they are seen visually. They are just merely mentioned in the terminals, but are not ''seen''. However, the Terminals are not the first mentione of the Forerunner either. The first mention of the Forerunners by name is in ''Halo: Combat Evolved'': | |||
{{Quote|This ring isn't a cudgel, you barbarian, it's something else... something much more important. The Covenant were right... this ring... it's Forerunner. Give me a second to access... yes, the Forerunners built this place, what they called a "fortress world", in order to... no, that can't be. Oh, those Covenant fools, they must have known, there must have been signs!|Cortana, Assault on the Control Room}} | |||
:-- '''''[[User:Spartacus|<span style="color: olivedrab; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: 12pt;">'''Col. Spartacus'''</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Spartacus|<font color="Black">'''Talk Page'''</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Spartacus|<font color="Black">Contributions</font>]]''</sub> 11:40, 16 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
== Flood-infected Forerunner image == | |||
I was watching the Anniversary terminals when I noticed this. [[File:Floodforerunner.jpg|200px|left]] | |||
This is clearly a Flood-infected Forerunner image. So I posted it up on the gallery yet it was removed. To avoid a edit war, I wish for a moderator to clarify on this. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 23:49, 21 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
Nah, nothing. I just can't see the sign that says "this is a Forerunner." So either I'm stoned or it's as "clear" as you say it is. '''[[User:Vegerot|<font color="blue">('''or so it says in the sacred caves''')</font> Vegerot!]]''''' 23:52, 21 April 2012 (EDT)! | |||
What's stopping it simply being an infected human kept for study? The Halo research facilities would probably study a lot of different species' reactions to Flood infection. Even then, until it's ''confirmed'' to be a Forerunner, we can't just assume. -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 00:58, 22 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
If I read Primordium correctly, the Flood weren't interested on infecting humans because they would be tested later on. Therefore this has to be a Forerunner. --[[User talk:ADinoSupremacist|ADinoSupremacist]] 01:52, 27 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
:Except that some Forerunners were very keen on human experimentation, especially regarding human infection. For all we know, the Forerunners themselves could have forced infection on a human for study. And that's the key word - "for all we know". -- [[User:Specops306|<b><font color=indigo>Specops306</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>Qur'a 'Morhek</sup></font></i></u>]] 02:53, 27 April 2012 (EDT) | |||
== (Notable) Forerunner Names == | |||
There seems to be some dispute over who qualifies as a "notable" Forerunner... | |||
On the one hand, there are those that believe that any Forerunner's whose names are noted in the games, novels, anime, etc should be considered "notable" or worthy of mention. On the other hand, there appear to be those who feel that only those Forerunners who actually '''''did something''''' noteworthy should be included in in that section. Before we start a potential edit war over personal opinion of what constitutes "notable", perhaps we should hammer out guidelines on that particular subject, to avoid needless reversions. Oh, and for the record, it's my own personal opinion that "Filial Devotion" isn't a Forerunner's name, and thus I do agree that it should be removed from the list, because the nature of the the content to which it is attached (Halo 3 Terminal 7) strongly indicates that the writer of the letter is the one who fired the Array. Based on the fact that it's not the Didact (Specifically, not the Ur-Didact because the symbol isn't his), the evidence suggests to me that this was a communication from Bornstellar to his father before he "pushed the button" so to speak. In this instance, I believe that "Filial Devotion" was meant to be a form of salutation, along the lines of "Sincerely Yours" or "Yours Truly". [[User talk:DJenser|DJenser]] 13:44, 8 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
:I don't really see why this becomes an issue and I don't expect an edit-war would start soon based on the current situation. There's a clear difference between "Known individuals" and "Notable individuals", the first referring to individuals made known to the public and the latter referring specifically to individuals who made a '''significant contribution''' (or "noteworthy").— <span style="font-size:16px; font-family:OrbitronMedium;">[[User:Subtank|<span style="color:#FF4F00;">subtank</span>]]</span> 16:17, 8 August 2012 (EDT) | |||
==Forerunners in Kath Pethona== | |||
I request to create a seperate page for For the species belonging to the Forerunner genus (or family), but are of different species (or genus). Specifically the Forerunner related creatures on Kath Pethona, that have evolved in the 10 million years to form different species. Thus they would qualify their own page. As well as an article on the world they reside in.--[[User:Thijsbos|Thijsbos]] ([[User talk:Thijsbos|talk]]) 11:32, 14 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
:I think there is enough information to warrant an article. That, or we can have a section on the Forerunner page detailing them. Also, I wouldn't call them "evolved", as they were living more primatively compared to other Forerunners. The Librarian noted IIRC that their genetics had devolved and differed greatly from other Forerunners since their exile ten million years earlier.--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 12:36, 14 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
::I'm studying Applied Science, under which fall genetics, during which I also get tought a lot on Evolution. Now, 'Evolution' doesn't move in a general direct to make creatures more complex. A creature made more simple to suit a simplier life style evolves also so. I am meaning the legitimate biological evolution here. Biologically speaking there is no such thing as 'devolution'. Although artificial evolution which likely happened is just genetically modifying the creatures, same as they did to the Humans. This likely has happened to the plants and herbivors, but it does not appear to have happened to the actual 'Forerunners'. Besides, 10 million years is plenty of time to evolve. Humans, for instance, diversed from chimpanzees only 6 million years ago, and from orang utans only 8. I was going to create a different page because otherwise I feared this one might become too large. --[[User:Thijsbos|Thijsbos]] ([[User talk:Thijsbos|talk]]) 14:52, 14 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
:::Oh ok, nice to have it clarified then. Forgive me, the only science I've ever done is just the basics. I guess a good descriptive name for these Forerunners could be "Path Kethona Forerunner".--{{User:Spartacus/Sig}} 15:01, 14 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
::::It's ok, these are common errors due to wrong popular beliefs. The name sounds good. I'll get working on that today when I get home from work.--[[User:Thijsbos|Thijsbos]] ([[User talk:Thijsbos|talk]]) 07:03, 15 April 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Billions of forerunners in another galaxy == | |||
Although most of them were wiped out by halo array a handful did survive I wonder what 343 have for this as 100000 years later their numbers would probably in the billions again. Wonder what have 343 indicated about this. {{unsigned|Spartan Matt}} | |||
:So far, 343i have said nothing about what happened to the handful of Forerunner surivors. They may have actually died out, they may have relocated and flourished elsewhere, or they may still be biding their time in Cryptums to reclaim their old empire. We just don't know. Frankly, my money is on option 3. -- [[User:Morhek|<b><font color=indigo>Qura 'Morhek</font></b>]] [[halofanon:user:Specops306|<u><i><font color=blue><sup>The Autocrat</sup></font></i></u>]] [[User talk:Specops306|<u><i><font color=purple><sup>of Morheka</sup></font></i></u>]] 21:50, 30 September 2013 (EDT) | |||
== Naaaaaaames == | |||
I'm sorry, but it really bugs me how Forerunner names make NO SENSE AT ALL. e.x.: Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting. WHAT?? Chant-to-Green? Splendid-Dust-of-Ancient-Suns?????? First-Light-Weaves-Living-Songs??????????????????????????? | |||