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About the Prophet of Disdain I found him through pity's page and was curious why is he non canon when pity is consider so? Shouldn't both be consider the same regardless? Was going to ask this in the talk page but saw you deleted it few years back so figured I just ask here.

Could you add your MJONLIR/HRUNTING/cyclops graph to the MJONLIR page?

It's rather confusing how the whole lineaage works on the page, now.

I understand. Since there's hardly any information out other then their names and a vague picture, it might be best to wait anyway.

Hello there,

I have one simple question regarding halo 4. There has been a leakage of 2 new enemies in halo 4: http://www.xbox-skyer.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=269919 I suspect you already know about that.

I just wondered if it was ok to make a wiki page about these? because there hasn't been any made and I feel that it would have, was the content deemed legitimate. I'm asking this question because I have several question marks at the legitimacy as well.

Thanks for your time,

Thijsbos

I think 343i's explanation falls apart because it relies on a cover-up that would be impossible, not to mention completely counterproductive to implement.

For one, I don't buy the idea that a single groundside relay was responsible for all communications across the planet - all ships (and likely satellites) have basic maser and radio communications of their own; how else could they communicate in deep space? The only possible way they could keep the majority of the fleet in the dark would be to create artificial "equipment failures" on every UNSC ship. Even if the UNSC fleet brass could somehow orchestrate such a thing, and keep each of the ships in consistent geostationary orbits so that they can't see what's going on in the other side, what's keeping the Covenant from showing up on their side of the planet and ruining the whole plan? Something like that would probably happen every few minutes as the Covenant ships orbited the planet, unless all of them were also on fixed geostationary orbits. Which seems unlikely, since the Covenant wouldn't know nor care about the UNSC's contrived cover-up; they'd have no reason not to show up on the other side of the planet.

Even ignoring the fact the cover-up would be a practical impossibility, it's hard to see why would they keep half of the planet in the dark if they only wanted to keep Keyes and the Autumn out of the fight until RED FLAG could begin. The rest of the fleet wasn't going to partake in RED FLAG, so why deliberately hold them back? It's particularly strange because the UNSC had no way of knowing a larger Covenant fleet would show up. Shouldn't they be concentrating all their efforts to fight the Covenant who are already present and wrecking havoc on Reach?

It seems that Bungie's intent with Reach and 343i's explanation are at odds with one another - the Data Drops seriously downplay the extent of the invasion before August 30, whereas the game depicts a full-scale invasion going on by as early as August 14 (as evident by the hologram of force deployments aboard Ardent Prayer, a massive Covenant fleet arriving, and large-scale glassing going on). It's clear that with the Data Drops, they wanted to mesh the stories of The Fall of Reach and the game together, but the result comes across as more than a little contrived. To me, a better idea would've been to add some changes to the re-release of TFoR to accommodate the new canon from Reach.

I agree. The communications between the Navy and the Army during the battle seem to have been a mess. Stanforth, of all people, being unaware of major events like the Solace being destroyed is the biggest oddity to me.

I also find it difficult to believe that the majority of the UNSC fleet over Reach wasn't aware of the Covenant presence. Considering how the planet was orbited by thousands of satellites, in addition to the sensor equipment on each of the UNSC ships, I can't see how a significant majority of the fleet could be reasonably kept in the dark.

It seems more plausible to me that at least part of the fleet brass knew about the Solace (though how the information wouldn't reach Stanforth is a mystery), and perhaps they were planning on doing something about it, but SPECWAR simply jumped the gun and destroyed the Solace before the Navy could come up with a plan of their own.

But again, I find it nearly impossible that Stanforth didn't know about the Solace until Holland told him days later. Perhaps the line in the Data Drop could be interpreted in different ways? Stanforth would've been extremely busy with coordinating the fleet in other operations against the Covenant, so it's possible he knew the basics beforehand, like the fact that there was a Covenant supercarrier, but Holland provided him with the specifics, like the carrier's name and the precise way it was destroyed?

All in all, I'd agree that the poor coordination between the Army and the Navy, especially Stanforth not knowing as much as he should for one reason or the other, must've been the main reasons for the failure of the operation. The comms equipment failures across the planet had their part, but if coordination between the UNSC forces had gone smoothly, a lot of the problems could've been avoided.

Please link to where you got this photo from. I don't actually want to play it, but it would be better for referencing purposes to see the map that you have used to take the screenshot.

On the "Anubis "look at the friggin hip, please"" issue, he was basically arguing that the Spartan in Mark VI armor on the cover of Ghost of Obyx was Linda because her waist appeared to be thinner than usual, just like female Spartans in Halo: Reach. I ignored that and reverted it because this was way before Halo: Reach, it could easily be a drawing oversight, and Kelly is also a girl and yet looks pretty "chunky" in the pic. Essentially that, in brief.

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I've been away for the last few days and I've been pretty much catching up on everything until now. To reply to both of the points you posted during the past week:

Humans and Tier 2 - I agree for the most part. I would figure their "advancement" to Tier 2 would at first be much like how the Bestiarum describes most of the Covenant species as having "adopted" Tier 2 when they were incorporated into the Covenant. However, in regards to whether humans merely use Forerunner technology or are actually capable of understanding it, there is something to be said about how humans in the Halo universe have shown to be innovative, as opposed to the Covenant who were described as "imitative". In practice, humans would pick apart and analyze any alien tech they found, whereas the Covenant only had a very limited understanding of the technology despite having studied it. Because of the Covenant's dogmatic approach to research and development, I can see humanity becoming a Tier-2 civilization much faster.

UEG and parliamentary system - Yes, that would seem apparent, especially now that we know there's a president as well. Interesting to think how their election processes would be arranged when there were billions of citizens in hundreds of colonies, some of which were months away. That is, if the colonies have any say on the matter to begin with.

Just to let you know that Wilc0 has been copying articles from Halopedia without providing any attribution. Legal stuff is very legal.

Thanks for the clarification.

Yeah, apparently Tucker thinks the same thing.

No. Maybe he thinks that the waist is thinner or something, I don't know.

Why did we remove the Sphere of Influence section from the United Nations Space Command page?

Ok. Thanks for the enlightenment on that subject.

I did consider the idea of ignoring the adjunct content from The Flood. We could do that, though doing so would mean we'd also have to ignore most of the other relevant content from that particular short story - it's hard to just ignore the parts with the Ascendant Justice when it's featured so prominently.

And yeah, the Ascendant Justice is indeed mentioned in the epilogue. I never assumed Truth was referring to Thel - losing the Ascendant Justice would hardly be worth mentioning at all, considering was responsible for losing a "sacred ring". Instead, he was probably referring to the Sangheili John fought on the bridge and then ejected - I presume this was the Shipmaster of the Ascendant Justice.

I think your last explanation is the most convenient solution; given the fact the Covenant are capable of superluminal communication, the Fleet of Particular Justice could've just signaled High Charity once they arrived at Soell and let them know they'd found a sacred ring, and asked for reinforcements. We don't know how much time passed between the Covenant ships and the Autumn arriving at Soell - it could've been days. The Ascendant Justice and some other ships would then be sent in, arriving well before the ring was destroyed, thus explaining the inconsistency.

As for the nature of the Ascendant Justice, it's always seemed to me it was more than just a regular fleet flagship. Wasn't it stated it had very little actual combatant crew, but unusually many Huragok on board? Then there's also the fact it had a Covenant AI, which is highly unusual. All this does suggest it was indeed part of a scouting detachment, likely involved with artifact retrieval.

I have the reprint, and the line you mentioned is still in there. The ancillary content in the reissue of The Flood, however, integrates the Ascendant Justice as part of the Fleet of Particular Justice; the Prophet of Stewardship article contains a fairly comprehensive summary of how the Ascendant Justice is made relevant to the events before the destruction of Installation 04.

I guess one way to work around this discrepancy is to interpret "these warships" as referring to the Covenant ships other than the Ascendant Justice, even though it was originally meant to be part of the scouting party instead of Particular Justice.

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Has "Covenant Hegemony" been used with capitals on "hegemony"? If there's no capitals, I'd assume it's just a descriptor since the Covenant is, by definition, a hegemony. Even if it's capitalized, it's likely to be an alternate or contextual name just like "Covenant Empire", and all the more reason we should use the most common title.

I also agree on the country comparison - we moved all human country articles to their common names, so I don't see why the same shouldn't be done with the Covenant, especially when it seems most likely that the entity's proper name is simply "The Covenant" and the "hegemony" or "empire" parts are sometimes - if very rarely - used to highlight the structure of the faction.

That looks fair, but I don't know if we even have enough long term users to use that system.

Could you please look at the Sanghelli history page and look at cookies edit before User:Spartan331 undid his edit please? Thanks!

Hey could you block User:Twilly500 he is deliberately editing the infoboxes on articles by putting in spaces where they don't belong. We have warned him countless times but he is continually disregarding our warnings.

You're right, it doesn't really matter since it's not canon. Nevertheless, I felt it necessary to point out the fact Hannaford's blog calls it a frigate. Since he's the artist, he would know what he was designing. Also, the ship's overall shape is pretty close to the In Amber Clad which was established to be a frigate in Halo 2. Would they really design a different type of ship to be that similar to another? I'm guessing it could've originally been a corvette, perhaps in an early version of the script, but by the time that concept image was made, it seems they knew it was going to be a frigate.

who were saying that germean games have to edit out violence or get on the list what list are you talking about?~~~~butthead4

Hy, sorry to bother but I have a question. I wanted to create a page entitled "Hunter Jumping" where I describe how to use the power of the Hunter's melee to push you a great distance. I was wondering how to name it, Hunter Jumping or Mgalekgolo Jumping?