Forum:Competitive Pages

So, I've said it before, but the gameplay information on this site is rather lacking and poorly done. "Gameplay" information on weapon pages tends to be imprecise, contradictory, and with a muddled line between whether it's talking about gameplay and canon. So, not for the first time, I'm proposing a new format to make our information regarding gameplay more comprehensive. I'm thinking perhaps we could have separate pages for each game that focus exclusively on the weapons, talking about what each weapon does, what its role is, how well it does that role, and any weapons or tactics that can counter it well. Presumably stuff on vehicles, power ups, gameplay mechanics, and any other things as well. This would probably replace the existing "Sandbox" pages as well. This is craZboy557, signing off. 06:13, 3 November 2013 (EST)
 * The focus of the main article should remain in-universe, with out-universe content kept at minimal. In relation to gameplay content such as weapons and vehicles, in-universe content (i.e. canon info) is prioritised over out-universe content (i.e. gameplay changes, advantages and disadvantages). However, as you said, it does not do much justice for those seeking gameplay-focused content.
 * On the other hand, there is no written rule on the MOS or Layout guide that prevents you from creating a sub-page for gameplay-focused content; rather, it is actually expected for a person to create one since not all of the readers are pure/hard-core canon-junkie. The Linkbox template has always featured a "gameplay" field ever since it was created and implemented in articles. That field was simply waiting for people to make use of it. So, by all means, go ahead and create it! :) — subtank   07:57, 3 November 2013 (EST)

There used to be another Halo wiki that concentrated on multiplayer first rather than canon, but it's since become a wasteland with only the occasional spammer. We might as well fill in the gap with our own wiki. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 14:49, 3 November 2013 (EST)

Man, I'm sure that going AWOL on here so soon after posting this was a great idea. I guess I could just give this a bump, see if anyone else has anything to say, and if not I think I'll go through with this. So, should I go with new pages for each game, or should I add a category on the game's main page? I'm thinking to former, as it might be too big for the main page. Maybe have a small section on for it on the main game with a "main article: [game]/competitive" or whatever. This is craZboy557, signing off. 16:48, 27 November 2013 (EST)


 * Last call, anyone?
 * ......help
 * This is craZboy557, signing off. 20:56, 4 December 2013 (EST)


 * Not sure how much my voice weighs here, but I say go for it. Sith-venator Wavingstrider ( Commlink ) 21:34, 4 December 2013 (EST)


 * A late reply but a reply nonetheless. Go for it! Create new pages for each game! :D — subtank   11:14, 7 December 2013 (EST)
 * As per above, go for it! This template has a great list of pages that are needed.-- 11:39, 7 December 2013 (EST)


 * Ok! So, I'll probably start by... hmmm, I could try testing weapons, but I also might want to start by just getting down what I already know, and my current impressions. Yeah, I think I'll go with testing. Go into custom games with a second player and count the frames to kill, for starters. Might research the damage radius on AOE stuff. Shots to kill, of course. Might even look into how distance affects kill times. I could probably also measure travel times. However, I won't be able to do CE or 2, as they don't have theatre. If anyone has a capture card, could they try doing those?
 * Aaaaand, lastly, should we go so far as to test Wars as well? This is craZboy557, signing off. 14:46, 7 December 2013 (EST)

Just did the tests for 3. Haven't counted the frames or anything yet, but I've got the footage. This is craZboy557, signing off. 10:53, 10 December 2013 (EST)


 * Gaahhh, forgot to work on this over the weekend. This is craZboy557, signing off. 18:26, 17 December 2013 (EST)

Alright, only took me three months to get around to this! Here's what I have so far:

AR:


 * -Firing rate: pause of two frames between shots (shot-one-two-shot)


 * -Shots to kill: 16


 * -Frames to kill: 46 frames

BR:


 * -Firing Rate: pause of one frame between shots (shot-frame-shot)


 * -pause of nine frames between bursts (last shot of burst-one-two-three-four-five-six-seven-eight-nine-first shot of burst)


 * -Shots to kill: 12


 * -Frames to kill: 47

Still working, so I should be putting up a few more weapons in a couple minutes.This is craZboy557, signing off. 12:31, 22 February 2014 (EST)

SMG:


 * -Firing rate: pause of one frame between shots (shot-one-shot)


 * -Shots to kill: 23


 * -frames to kill: 45

Dual SMGs:


 * -Firing rate for individual guns: pause of one frame between shots (shot-one-shot)


 * -Shots to kill: 26


 * -Frames to kill:


 * -One gun: 51 frames


 * -Two guns: 25 frames

This is craZboy557, signing off. 13:07, 22 February 2014 (EST)

Spiker:
 * -Firing rate: pause of three frames between shots (shot-one-two-three-shot)


 * -Shots to kill: 13


 * -Frames to kill: 49 frames

Dual Spikers:


 * -Firing rate per individual gun: pause of three frames between shots (shot-one-two-three-shot)


 * -Shots to kill: 16


 * -Frames to kill:


 * -one gun: 61 frames


 * -two guns: 29 frames

This is craZboy557, signing off. 17:00, 25 February 2014 (EST)