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Nomination
I nominate Ryanngreenday for adminship. Nominee, please accept or defer the above nomination below this line.

How could i refuse?-- UNSCoH   Colonel   "Running   Riot"   Ryan    BAM  01:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Support (13/0 sysop)

 * 1) Strong Support as nominator--  Phil.e.  [Talk to me] 01:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Support Ryan has done great work as a user on Halopedia and I think he could do even more as an admin.--Master Sergeant-G023 Comm Channel Mission History[[Image:Master sergeant.jpg|20px]]B Company  01:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Strong Support Will be a outstanding admin if accepted. [[Image:UNSCoH_Dingo_without_letters.PNG|30px]] Colonel  Tony  Talk 8/12/2007
 * 4) Strong Support Ryan would make a great admin.- Thegoodone [[Image:SSgt Avery Johnson, UNSC Marine Corps.JPG|20px]]  "Messages go here"  What I've Done 02:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Support - Can do a good job =]   What  did  HaloDude  Do!?!  11:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Support:Ryan FTW!! He's shown to be an experienced user--Sp art an- 781  [[Image:Invincible.JPG|30px]] CommCSV 13:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Support - Ryan has my backing, as an admin he could provide a breath of fresh air to halopedia :] --Ajax 013 13:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Overstrong Support Ryan FTW! ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 13:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Support - for the same reasons as everyone else. Good Luck Ryan! [[Image:Marine Corp SSGT.JPG|30px]] SSgt. simon  rj  h [[Image:rjh.jpg|30px]] 13:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) Strong Support Ryan is a major contributor to Halopedia already, just think of how he will contribute once administratoredized (yes i know that is not a word). [[Image:1_I_am_saving_up_for_this_-1.jpg|20px]] Guitarplayer001 Contact MeSee where I have rocked out! 18:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) Support Great with the community and knows his way around. Overall a great user.--H*bad (talk) 19:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) Support He will help here and he is a good person. --Clavix2 [[Image:Halo2emblem.ashx.jpeg|30px]] TALK TO ME <font color="Black">Things I done 01:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) Weak Support- He's a good guy, can support Halopedia nicely, and he is qualified for the job. The ony reason this isn't a strong support is Halopedia has enough admins so far and if Manticore makes it then Ryan won't be needed as admin.--[[Image:GRAW.png|20px]] MCPO Spartan  1138  05:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Support: HE's a great guy, a good leader, and gets along with most of the people here. Ryan FTW!-- Caboose  [[Image:Caboose.jpg|35 px]] Orange Juice  and  Cookies  16:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Neutral (2/1 sysop)

 * 1) I'm not really sure if Ryan has what it takes. <font color="Black">REVENGE Grr!!! My Victims [[Image:Disembodied soul modern.jpg|30px]]
 * 2) Neutral This user's history is not quite as clear-cut as others before him, which can be seen by the current divisions in his RfA. His longevity with Halopedia is significant, and though he has been consistantly active over the past year, a significant number of his contributions have been based around user talk and userpages. Though his Main editcount is substantial compared to most other users, he has taken the ambition of extensive Halopedia article projects only a few times throughout his editing on Halopedia. However, I believe strongly that the overall beliefs of the community are of greatest importance in an issue like this and I can see that a majority of the community stands in support of the user despite the issues that others have raised. I do not know this user very well personally and we communicate very rarely, so I can not stand in judgement of this user's character or potential to serve as a "community leader," which would also contribute a great deal to my decision. Therefore, it is my opinion that I have seen few things to distinguish this user in my eyes, be it in a positive or negative way, and so I will remain neutral. -- DEMON SPAWN  ED  21:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Against (7/2 sysop)

 * 1) Against I don't feel that Ryanngreenday could really do much as an administrator. He has never shown that he could really improve Halopedia with access to the "delete" or "block" buttons, he has never even suggested any improvements to the interface, let alone contributed possible ways of implementing them, and he doesn't come across as the kind of friendly, amiable person who could make someone feel good, having been welcomed to Halopedia by an administrator. I realize that I am not always friendly or amiable, but I have at least contributed to deletions and improving the interface. If Ryan is able to be more open to welcoming newbies, perhaps contribute to the new skin that is being made for Halopedia or something, and, and this is a must, improve his grammar and spelling, my vote my change. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 02:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Against - To be honest, I too don't think there's much Ryan could do as an admin. Manticore is more suited for the position. I could actually see Manticore doing stuff around Halopedia. Plus, Manticore probably has more experiance than ryan. I'm also not a big fan of campaigning.  What  <font color="Red">did  <font color="Black">HaloDude  <font color="Red">Do!?!  01:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Against - He appears to think that making around 60 userboxes is a great technical contribution. Also, he has slightly more edits on user talk pages than mainspace. He argued against RelentlessRecusant's RfA that they've been around roughly the same time, but RR is nearing 16,000 edits while Ryan is nearing only 5,000. Ryan, don't take this personally. Until next time, respect them Grunts. This is M  o  u  s  e, squeaking out! 20:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Against - Honestly, Ryan does not have what it takes to be an admin. He does not have the experience or the personality required for such a big job. There is very little he could help out with, as Relentless and GPT have the "active" part covered, and he doesn't know enough about wiki coding (from what I have seen). Both GPT and Relentless made significant contributions to Halopedia before being appointed admins. This is not a popularity contest. It is an appointment to the biggest responsibility on any wiki, and votes should be made seriously.  SPARTAN  -091  [[Image:Master_sergeant.jpg|25px]] HelmetComm undefined Juliet  03:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Against - This was a difficult decision for me. Ryan is definately very present: he can oftentimes be seen on the IRC, which is a big plus towards administratorship. However, one of the weighing problems is the lack of technical expertise: GPT has shown remarkable prowess with Javascript, CSS, HTML, and Python languages, and I myself keep some stuff handy. I'd appreciate it if Ryan could perhaps begin to work more with the HTML/Wiki syntax templates besides userboxes, and eventually graduate from there to more of the difficult languages, which I personally garnered from variegated experiences over various Wikias. Furthermore, I believe with some other users that administratorship isn't just knowing how to delete/block/protect, or even technical responsibilities to try to enhance the MediaWiki interface, but also community moderation: in Halopedia, administratorship is just more than delete/block/protect, it requires community work. I'd personally like to see Ryan in the role of a major community participant and be able to evaluate him - he's always been a great part of the community, but more Halopedia-related community work would be appreciated, not just Halopedian-related community work. I'm very sorry, Ryan...it's rather paining for me to write this, as I perfectly understand your position, as I was there two months ago, and it was ED, Dragonclaws, and Esemono delivering the lecture and myself abjectly scrolling over the words and making hard introspections. However, I'd be glad to speak to you regarding however I can help you in the future. =] Cheers, RelentlessRecusant  'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE 05:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Against Ryan: you are a very friendly person, you are enjoyable to talk to, but your conduct carries the mark of inexperience. While there are some things (such as Generalship in UoH) where that might be fine for, it is much different in the Administrator's chair.  I think you are intelligent enough that you could, one day, be an administrator, but I believe you need to learn more about conduct before you do so.  Aside from the one incident that I've made clear to you, I know of at least two other major incidents where your conduct has been called into question.  Yes, you learned from each of them and I think you honestly improved from them, but I don't believe you have learnt enough to be an Administrator at this time --forgottenlord 02:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Against I personally have a fair amount of respect for you, but as an admin, I'm not sure you'd do well. As the others have stated, you're rather active, but don't seem to possess any tech skills. Besides all that though, you've had some rather big issues with other Halopedia users in the past. I'm not sure you wouldn't use your new found sysop abilities to make problems for your old nemesis. Sorry.
 * -- Donut THX 1138 [ Comm ] 01:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments

 * 1) Comment against GPT: At least he'll be better than you. You change the skin without consulting other users. You don't welcome much new users either.How do you know that Ryan will not use the "delete" and "block" button well? I see that you blocked some users which I feel were inappropriate. GPT, think about it.--<font color="LightGrey">Sp <font color="DarkGray">art <font color="Gray">an- <font color="Black">781  [[Image:Invincible.JPG|30px]] CommCSV 12:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) That's not the point, Spartan781. This thread is to discuss Ryanngreenday, not GPT's conduct. Cheers, RelentlessRecusant  'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE 17:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Spartan781, I changed it so that I could consult users. Without doing that there would be nothing I could do, although I did ask ryan for help, and he ignored me. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 04:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Spartan781, you're a good guy and all, don't get me wrong, but uh... admins do unexpected things ALL the time. You can't have every single Halopedian user's(controlled by RR and his so-called powah and unlimited cookies) permission just to do something. If you don't like something, comment and they'll think about it. --<font color="#D3D3D3">B <font color="#A9A9A9">le <font color="#808080">mo http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS 01:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Personally I think you're overreacting. He's just applying for adminship, it's not like he's asking for employment by Wikia. There are lots of admins on many wikis who don't know a line of CSS or HTML, and it shouldn't be a requirement. I also don't think Spartan781 was talking about GPT's conduct, just using it to counter GPT's statement.  Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 20:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) I think he was talking about my conduct, but that's beside the point. Relentless is right, let's keep this about ryan.
 * 7) No offense, but do you know what it's like to be in the "Administrator's chair"? I do, and let me describe it to you: it's no big deal. You act like it's becoming King of Halopedia, but being admin is nothing huge. The only extra things you can do are delete pages, block users, and edit MediaWiki pages. That's it. Not only that, but Ryanngreenday has been here for almost exactly 1 year, and has been here for longer than both RR and GPT, so I think that he has learned enough to be Administrator here, probably more than enough.  Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 20:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) With all due respect, I was here several days earlier than Ryan. ^^ ;-) Cheers, RelentlessRecusant  'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE 04:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) You're right...forgot to check RelentlessRogue ;)  Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 16:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) With all due respect, I was at Halopedia several years earlier than Relentless. ^^ (not here--at Halopedia, halopedia.org) -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 04:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) A community where an Administrator's only extra powers, responsibilities and authority are deleting, blocking and back-room editing? Doesn't exist, and it sure as heck doesn't exist in Halopedia.  Administrators are community leaders.  They are supposed to set the guidelines for how the community behaves, and lead with those guidelines.  They are supposed to be the leaders when it comes to showing how to treat new members, ushering in new projects, and considering ideas presented by the userbase.  Yes, Ryan is capable of doing several of those things on the list - as are you and many other major members.  However, Ryan has serious deficiencies in many of those areas.
 * 12) Try again, Phil.E. --forgottenlord 20:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) EDIT: You can be an Administrator without doing those things, but you'd be a very lousy administrator if you only look at it as a job where you can play with the pretty buttons. At the very least, know that Ryan understands this too. --forgottenlord 20:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) What I meant was that those are the only extra things an admin can do, that a regular user can not. Of course an admin should be good with the community, but if there are other things that the user does better than that, and does those things well, then that user is just as good a candidate as any.  Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 21:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) I disagree. I believe a viable administrator candidate has to be someone that I think could be a good community leader.  I believe that Ryan has had conduct issues that prevent me from putting such faith in him yet.  I believe that very little of it has to do with how you can deal with your explicit powers, for implicit powers are always much greater than explicit, and it is very rare that a major community member is incapable of exercising one's explicit powers effectively so that component, more often, is about "can I trust this person not to vandalize".
 * 16) If you must know, I have been an administrator on a few communities prior to coming to Halopedia - none of them wikis. I have dealt with things like banning users, blocking IPs, removing posts and changing skins.  They were minimal responsibilities for me compared to what I was as an administrator.  I understand the position well. --forgottenlord 21:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) This isn't the right place for an argument. If it matters that much to you, I'll leave you a message at your talk page.  Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 00:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Questions
''Nominee, if you accept the nomination, please answer the following questions. It is advised that voters check the nominee's responses before voting.''


 * 1) When did you join Halopedia? August last year.
 * 2) What do you believe are your most valued contributions to Halopedia? the near 60 userboxes i've made and the first rank articals.
 * 3) What do you believe are your most valued technical contributions to Halopedia? I've edited and made a few templates, along with the near 60 userboxes.
 * 4) What do you believe are your most valued contributions to the community? Pretty much restarting the UoH.
 * 5) What is your expertise with programming languages, if any? None.
 * 6) Do you administrate any other Wikias? If so, which? Yes, radiatapedia. I basicly keep it going.
 * 7) If you are administrated, what changes do you propose? I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
 * 8) To the best of your understanding, what does administratorship entail? Keeping the peice
 * 9) To the best of your understanding, when will you be able to check Halopedia after you are administrated, in the event that you are? Well, im pretty much always watching halopedia so anytime i guess.
 * 10) What communities are you associated with online, Halo and otherwise? Haloepdia, radiatapedia, gunpedia
 * 11) What is your familiarity with the Halo universe? Guns, Ranks, General alittle bit of everythinge else.
 * 12) What is your familiarity with Wikia and Halopedia policies? I know what todo and what not to do, mostly.
 * 13) What is your relationship with the Halopedia community and current administration? Pretty good i think.
 * 14) How may users contact you? Well i have over 37 halopedians on msn and i talk to many on the IRC.

-- UNSCoH   Colonel   "Running   Riot"   Ryan    BAM  01:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
"I'll cross that bridge when I get to it"? You're at it now, son. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 19:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)