Talk:SPARTAN-B312/Archive 2

Background
This needs to be fixed, gender was just speculation:

SPARTAN-B312 is the main playable character in the upcoming game, Halo: Reach. To integrate player relation with B312, players can pick what gender they wish Noble Six to be with separately recorded voices for each gender. Of course, this is purely speculation based upon Bungie Weekly Update 3.05.10

"This next week, Lee Wilson joins us as we record all the mission and combat dialog for the main story Spartan characters and our male/female Noble Six voices."

—Urk

It should also be noted that there is no intimation as to when or how often a player may change his/her gender.

In that new interview with Aisha Tyler, she says she did alot of deathscreams.. possibly another intimation of gender change? I feel this is good proof for multiplayer, but it doesn't nessecarily mean anything for campaggin.

He's a male. Per canon. Just like with other games like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic I/II, while the player may be able to choose his/her gender, there IS an official "canon gender" that is used. Per S-312 (Noble 6)'s Personnel Profile, he is a male.

Source: http://www.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=24530 E-5 (Sergeant), 1-7 CAV, U.S. Army (IRR) 04:30, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Actually in KOTOR 2 you are canonically female--Ender the Xenocide 20:11, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

That Settles it Noble 6 is a Male, Because its Stated here http://www.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=24530 and The version Bungie uses for Advertisements is Male.

Think of it as the Mass Effect Senario, You can chose the Gender of your Shepard, but the Canon version is the Male, because thats the one Made by the Studio, and is the one in all of the Advertisements

spartan tags
i think we should remove the company tags from the spartans of noble because, even tho they are spartan IIIs, they do not belong to a company, 312 and kat were taken out of beta company, therefore they do not warrant company tags. as with carter, emile and jun they were from alpha company, which no longer exists, they are now noble team. besides, since the fact that they are spartans IIIs is no longer a debated fact and has been confirmed by multiple sources, bungie would come righ out with it and put spartan tags on their pages, right. so i vote we remove the company tags cuz there have been no sources that give company tags. befere i make the change, you can vote, i will decide to make the edit at the end of march if the majority of the people support it Ghost mactavish 05:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I find myself agreeing with this. So far, there's been no official source that refers to the Noble team Spartans with company tags. Whatever the reasons for this are, for me at least it seems pretty clear they don't have them. Not anymore at least. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 13:03, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Beta company ceased to exist, but Tom and Lucy kept their tags.--  Fore  run  ner  13:08, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * So they did. But I don't think they're relevant in the discussion of the members of NOBLE still having their tags. For the first thing, Noble Team is a team of elite operatives, almost entirely separate from the rest of the Spartans. Second, I've said it before and I'll say it again: If the Spartans of Noble Team still had their company tags, why doesn't any, and I mean any, official source make a single mention of them? Not even the official B.net "personnel reports" that seem to contain every other bit of information about them. I've never questioned that whether they originally belonged to those companies, nor if they originally had their company tags. I'm only drawing conclusions from everything we've seen so far. I just like sticking to official material, that's all. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 13:24, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I respect your opinion. I believe that BUNGIE decided not to use the company tags because it would be too confusing to the gamer. Soren-66 wasn't a SPARTAN-II, but he trained with them, so he deserves a tag.--  Fore  run  ner  13:29, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

"Not even the official B.net "personnel reports" that seem to contain every other bit of information about them."

- Jugus


 * I remember back then (January? before it was announced the squad to be composed of S-II and S-IIIs) that Bungie wanted to keep the identity of Noble Team a secret. If they supplied the company tags, it would ruin the whole fun and mystery.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 14:34, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * ya but its not a mystery or a secret anymore, is it. its completely confirmed canonGhost mactavish 05:15, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're completely missing the point, she meant that if Bungie gave away the company tags before the revelation that they were S-IIIs, then that would ruin the revelation. -  Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  07:04, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

i understand that perfecctly, but the fact is that it is widely known information that these spartans are third generation, its after that revelation,and still no sourceeven makes a mention of company tags

PS. i tried to make the edit but ascention blocked me--Ghost mactavish 01:26, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Navy vs Army?
The page says that Noble Six is affiliated with the UNSC Navy, however, S-IIIs are Army, and I thought that Noble Team was also confirmed Army by the NOBLE Team Performance Report?


 * Possible oversight by the devs maybe?Someguy789 00:15, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Spartans of Noble team (along with all Spartans) are orginally affiliated with the Navy. In the case of Noble Team, they work closer with the army, but are still Naval personel. Just look at their ranks, if you are unsure. Nowhere but the Navy does there exist a Commander Rank.


 * The S-IIIs have numerous contradictions. Gamma Company's SPARTANs were all Privates, for instance.--  Fore  run  ner  21:41, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's originally an ONI-funded and controlled project, so the actual Spartans have a connection to the Navy. Many officers in charge were from other branches though. Possibly after the initial generations, more and more control was given to the Army that originally kickstarted the project. Perhaps Beta Company was the first to use Army ranks thanks to a withdrawl of ONI's presence in the program. Nobel Team may be an anomaly for now.--Nerfherder1428 11:56, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * They may simply be considered affiliated with both, but during Reach they are under the command of the Army. Sierra 003 22:55, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

B312?
I was just looking around on bungie.net and it said that this spartan III is S312 not B312. CFV-88 22:27, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

That's because he is from beta company of the spartan III's. The "s" stands for spartan. FatalSnipe117 01:28, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Birthdays
Three members, B312 included, from Noble Team all have the same birthdays? Highly unlikely. Isn't it more likely that ONI falsified the birthdays?  DavidJCobb  22:29, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably, but we have no evidence of that. -- Lord Hyren 05:44, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure he isn't S-II?
S-293’s 1156 has been filed since 22/04/2552, every active duty Spartan-II is on XXX for special training, and it seems that XXX wasn’t able to keep his own private grim reaper out of the pool—only time will tell if this luck is of the good or bad variety.

Taken from his details on Bungie.net Reach project page... don't want to start an argument again, but I figured I'd mention this? DarkbelowHGR  CommbandD  03:13, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I Think we have gotten past that you (the player) will play as Spartan-B312, a Spartan III Comando, the only Spartan II on Noble Team is Jorge..... 76.211.2.221 14:47, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

I always thought that was just talking about Reach and Kurt the spartan II who trained the threes.Someguy789 16:09, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

I think that if he was a S-II Jorge would have recognised him don't you think ??

LOL
Has anyone else noticed that in the article it talk about Noble 6's previous superior saying that her gender is unknown then pulls out some quote calling it a he. I thought this was funny cause the sentenses are literally next to each other. "Additionally, S-B312 seems to have been assigned to Noble Team despite the wishes of his/her former superior who is said to have used S-B312 as "his own private grim reaper"."

- The quote in question?

If that is the case, you misread. B312 is either a male or female depending on player choice, but his/her former superior was a male, probably Ackerson. 112 01:35, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * That would actually be really awesome if Ackerson had an in-game role. And it makes damn good sense that that would be the way Ackerson would use use Noble-Six. Flayer92 22:29, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Birthday
New Waypoint intel is out on Noble Team, with individual bios on each member. I believe they are all identical to the Game Informer bios, with the exception of Noble Six, who's birthdate is redacted like the rest of his information. I think it's safe to say that Game Informer just slipped and gave N6 kat's birthday too. I've gone ahead and changed the article. If there's some reason it should be changed back that I'm unaware of, feel free to do so of course. -Proconix 13:01, May 29, 2010 (UTC)Proconix

Death
Does anyone else believe that He/She's Gonna survive Reach or die? I myself Believe he/she, along with his/her team, Are gonna die, But What does anyone else think? 76.244.151.225 19:59, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * No...spartans never die, their just missing in action, sry couldn't resist


 * The sir above who didn't press the signature button, I salute you for awesome timing! But, still, Reach was annihilated, the Pillar of Autumn is the only human vessel that managed to escape we know so far, but since Bungie retconned, I dunno. It would be a different ending to a Halo game, seeing a planet glassed while actually on it. Though it will leave a sour note, Halo: Reach being the last Halo made by Bungie, or so they say. Now that I think about it, didn't they confirm it indirectly in a ViDoc or something? It went along the lines of "Even though it's a lost fight, we (Bungie) want to make you feel like you're fighting the good fight." It didn't go exactly as written, but it was similar. Can't wait for 9/14! 80.222.44.24 16:55, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Autumn WASN'T the only ship to escape. I believe there was an ONI person who escaped, like 7 SPARTANs escaped on a ship, etc. So it is possible they escaped, but they most likely died when the planet was being glassed.Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 19:17, June 22, 2010 (UTC)!!


 * Thanks for the additional info. I apologize for the lack of info, perhaps my older post was a bit "know-it-all." But still, two ships and their crew, some soldiers, an ONI spook and a handful of spartans still fall into the category of annihilated, considering Reach was one of the UNSC's main producers of military hardware and ships. Hafta buy the new Halo books, once they become available to me. About the question at hand, yes, that is a good point and once you think about it, it seems unlikely that the entire Noble team will go M.I.A, but we'll just have to wait and see what Bungie's come up! 80.222.44.24 22:34, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Correcting the poster above you, nine in ten ships were destroyed during the battle. One tenth of the Reach fleet managed to escape to Earth. That means at least fifteen warships - I don't know how many passenger liners, freighters, private vessels etc. would have escaped, but its a pitiful amount of military vessels. The Spartans who escaped Reach that he was talking about were rescued by a time travelling Master Chief in a Covenant ship, and are now either dead or on Onyx - the rest of the "regular" Spartans died on Reach. That probably doesn't count Noble Team, since they weren't on any official Spartan rosters or tallies. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   10:43, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Noble 6
Noble 6 should redirect here. Can someone do it for me?--70.71.240.170 11:16, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 15:30, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

6's Silence
The article still says that Noble 6 never talks but I was under the impression that he/she did speak, and I think it was confirmed in weekly update 6/18/2010 where they also confirmed Firefight 2.0. Not sure if I'm right, otherwise I'd go and change it. 82.45.116.95 16:36, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is confirmed that Noble Six will be speaking in the cutsecenes. But I'm not sure if he/she (depending on the player's choice) will talk in Firefight 2.0 -- Ultra Force  16:40, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * WHERE Did It confirm Noble Six will speak? I am highly SURE that he WILL NOT be speaking (Bungie wants YOU To be Noble Six, you can't assurt yourself as him If he speaks) 69.221.168.182 03:26, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Noble 6 is a Firefight voice. Its pretty hard to be a voice but still not speak :) Que   Sera,  Sera
 * As a Firefight Voice? Mostly grunts from Pain and jumps 99.51.93.24 20:59, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's right. Simply having a "voice-actor" does not mean you speak. It just means someone was hired to add sounds to the character. The Rookie had a voice actor, yet he never spoke. Nothing states he will or will not speak in Halo: Reach, however. XRoadToDawnX 06:12, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the effort of mentioning both male and female voice actors warrants more than grunts and pain sounds, don't you think? - TheLostJedi  03:31, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing more than speculation. Sure, it could be interpreted as such. But it could have also been done to appease to anyone who wanted to know if Noble Six was going to be exclusively a guy in campaign. Nothing can be said otherwise until confirmation. XRoadToDawnX 19:17, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well here is confirmation that 6 does in fact speak. Obviously don't watch if you don't want any spoilers.  Jacktheinfinite101 21:49, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well here is confirmation that 6 does in fact speak. Obviously don't watch if you don't want any spoilers.  Jacktheinfinite101 21:49, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Noble Six speaks openly, read the article. -  Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  22:11, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Canon armour
Due to the customisation of B312's armour, all images if this SPARTAN will be different. In the Beta, Mark V[B] came as the only armour available at the beginning - leaving the others to be unlocked later. This system will likely be the same in the release version. If so, we may have to keep images consistant with this, and take images of (for example) B312 in Recon as non-canon and to be removed from the biographical section and infobox (though allowed in the gallery). -- Forerunner 18:08, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say we should allow pics of B312 in default armor only, even in the gallery. That is, no images of B312 in custom armor allowed at all. Mainly for the sake of consistency, but also because Bungie has used the default armor in most of their official screenshots and thus, it's the most "canon" one we can have. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Jugus (<font color="Gray">Talk  | <font color="Gray">Contribs ) 18:23, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed - the only non-default I can find was when Bungie was howing us that customisation wa acknowledged in cinematics.-- Forerunner 19:33, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, though we should allow both male and female variations on the page, as long as they retain the default armor. I would not like Halopedia to fall into gender favoritism or stereotyping. -  Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  22:16, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

So, just to make sure it's clear for everyone who's going to ask about this later, that means that, for the sake of this article, Noble 6 is all default armour in black, but can be male or female. That sound right? Alex T Snow 15:20, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Gender doesn't appear to have a default setting. The colour is definitely black, yes. Pink-Flaming Recon with a flower design on the shoulder pad would just look terrible as an infobox image. Furthermore, you can also make yourself look exactly like one of your fellow Noble team members - two Jorges in a gallery picture would just be confusing.-- Forerunner 15:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Funny you said Jorge, cause he's the only one you can't be, I guess you could make a mini Jorge though ;) Alex T Snow 08:43, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually you can't be Kat either because of her arm--210.56.88.32 04:06, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can. Her prosthetic arm is an armor permutation. Que   Sera,  Sera  04:09, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously? That's awesome. Can it be either arm? Or both? Or just the side hers is on?--210.56.88.150 05:48, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can? Cool, it'd assume you would pick it like shoulders, that would make the most sense. Where is it that we were shown or told you can though? Alex T Snow 11:53, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * In the Reach Beta, some players would suddenly have their armor change (either after they die or when they respawned) and they would have armor characteristics that couldn't be unlocked in the Beta. On one of them that I saw, on a legitimate video of the Beta, there was a Spartan who had a prosthetic arm (among other things) on the wrong arm. There wouldn't be a design for the prosthetic limb on the other arm if it wasn't a permutation. Another notable example i can find is here. Its number 1 on the countdown. Que   Sera,  Sera  14:40, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I know we just got through agreeing on an armor standard, but should we again consider the HUL helmet attachment that Noble 6 has been consistantly been shown to use? We have almost as many sources with the attachments than we do without, so this is difficult decision. It's in the VGA trailer (our first look at Nobel 6), and at least part of "The Battle Begins" TV spot. The trivia section on this page (erroneously) says that official material since the VGA has been devoid of this attachment. However, that is simply NOT the case.

Recent evidence shows that the official action figure has an equipped HUL and 312 is shown with it in the very recent live-action "Deliver Hope" cinematic as well. These alone are huge hints that we should at least reconsider our previous agreement. The fact that Bungie is still using the attachment in advertising media is enough in itself to warrant a discussion. --Nerfherder1428 15:28, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's not B312; that's the previous Noble 6 - Thom. Take note Kat's lack of her distinguished prosphetic arm, and the SPARTAN's orange paint on the back of his torso. This looks like the telling if how Thom died. Would the player character really die half-way through the battle?--  Fore  run  ner '' 16:02, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * This was also pretty much confirmed by Bungie here. He says that it's "their (Bungie's) perspective", which pretty much means it's the perspective we're supposed to take as canon. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Jugus (<font color="Gray">Talk  | <font color="Gray">Contribs ) 16:18, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just realized this. Sorry for the confusion!--Nerfherder1428 20:29, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

noble 6 talking cont.
i read the article about the first cutscene for the game and noble six does say like two short lines68.7.78.20 14:43, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * We know. -  Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  12:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Class
We've been basing our assumption that 312 is a Beta Company Spartan off of Jorge's comment in the trailer introducing Noble Team, but that line apparently doesn't exist in the final game, and without it we seem to have little other evidence pointing to 312 as a Beta Company Spartan - he certainly seems much younger than Kat. His official dossier doesn't state class, or even age. He may be a Gamma Company Spartan. mY point is that we don't know, and until we do, we should move the article to simply SPARTAN-312 and alter references to the character. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   11:22, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, we have more solid info to clarify that he/she is indeed from Beta. And even then, if he/she were from Gamma, they would be underage, and would have a lot of problems when portrayed in a video game. As in "over protective parent video game activists campaigning to ban the game" problems. -  Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  11:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah. I had forgotten about that. Thanks for correcting me. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   20:41, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

When Dr. Halsey says "Hyper lethal, hmm, only one other SPARTAN with that rating." Is that one other SPARTAN John-117??? --Kluutak 21:21, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * More than likely it's meant to be an offhand reference to John-117. That line is there for the players, from an In Universe perspective, John isn't really that great of a soldier, he was just a lucky one who got a lot of positive press. --WhellerNG 21:15, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * John killed thousands of Covenant. I agree that it's a nod to fans, but he is an elite soldier. Tgor  365  21:24, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * No more than any other Spartan. People have it up in their heads that John-117, as he's the protagonist of the first 3 Halo games, that he's super awesome and the best there ever was. He isn't. He's good, yeah, but he's not the best. --WhellerNG 21:30, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * His luck and awareness kept him going. He did the most. He survived the most. He killed the most. He saved humanity. Maybe he had no more athleticism than the rest, but he accomplished more on the battlefield than any other human, and that makes him the best soldier ever. Tgor  365  21:39, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually it didn't really have to do with luck. He was a superb tactician and intelligent fighter. I personally say Admiral Preston Cole was a bigger hero, he has the highest confirmed killcount than anyone alive. Master Chief destroyed the Ark and slowed the Flood Infection. It was actually the Arbiter who stopped Truth from firing the rings. Master Chief's biggest achievement in his career I would have to say is the assassination of the Prophet of Regret during the Battle of Installation 05. I'd have to say that "one other spartan" was probably Kurt, since he always beat John-117. --Kluutak 10:33, 6 December 2010 (EST)

Date of Death
Noble 6 dies on the 30th of August 2552 after fighting off wave after wave of elites. Someone should put it down. REach Out 07:57, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

FJ/PARA
This is not really a "I think canon is" issue, but has anyone else noticed that in all the non in-game media about 312, even current stuff, he is wearing FJ/PARA knees? The action-figurey one by McFarlane, the xbox avatar Noble 6 suit, and a whole bunch of pictures and wallpapers of him - including at least one by Bungie -, they're always FJ/PARA. That and every other member of Noble wears them too, except Jorge, cause he's huge and a S-II, and Kat, cause she's female. That's not meant to be sexist or anything, but the default ones do make her more female. It seems like standard (male at least) S-III knees are meant to FJ/PARA. And before anyone says anything, yes, I know S-312 is whatever you want him to be, no matter how nonsensical it may be, that's what canon is, just thought this was interesting. Alex T Snow 04:14, 25 October 2010 (EDT)
 * I noticed this too. I was wondering if the FJ/PARA knees and default Mk V knees are actually switched. It would make sense. As you said, all members of Noble except Jorge and Kat are seen with FJ/PARA knees. Kat uses the Air Assault helmet and FJ/PARA shoulders, but default knees. Wouldn't it make more sense if her knees where actually the FJ/PARA? The so called "default" knees are smaller and don't look like they fit Mk V's theme. Also, the FJ/PARA's description states that it is designed to be smaller. Yet, they're bigger than the default knees? The FJ/PARA shoulders are smaller than the Mk V shoulders, why not the knees? Basically, I'm suggesting that Bungie switched the names around. The "default" should be called "FJ/PARA", and vice versa.-- Fluffy Emo Penguin ( ice quack! ) 14:40, 28 December 2010 (EST)


 * That definitly seems likely, there are a few other small mistakes in the Armory as well, so it could be, and you're right, Kat has what is effectivly Paratrooper head and shoulders, but ...default knees? And same for the rest of Noble Team, (including the original Six) not default knees as standard? Also, FJ/Para knees look a lot like the Mark IV and VI knees, so it'd make sense for that too, they fit the standard MJOLNIR style, the others don't. That smaller for Paratroopers bit is good too, guess I never thought of that ;) Alex T Snow 02:19, 1 January 2011 (EST)

The only other place where he is outfitted with the default kneepad is the picture you have in Halsey's journal in the legendary edition.

Birthdate
I know we don't know it, but since we know he's Beta Company can't we figure out he's between something and something? Early 20s I think, as Kat's 22... Alex T Snow 02:40, 2 November 2010 (EDT)


 * Had Bungie not completely skewed the ages of the Spartan-IIIs conscripted with Emile and Carter (aged 8 and 11 upon conscription respectively), we would have been able to pinpoint an age for Noble Six. But for that irritating reason, Six will remain ageless. -  Halo-343   (Talk)  14:08, 6 December 2010 (EST)


 * Give Bungie some credit - the mothers'd be all over their asses if they learned about four-year olds being made into soldiers. Just consider than anomalous - if you have more than 300 subjects, you're bound to get a few anomalies.-- Forerunner 17:38, 27 December 2010 (EST)

Arbiter at death?
One of the elites, right before the final blow, activates his energy sword, and the energy sword is in his LEFT hand. Wasn't the Arbiter (during that time) the only right- handed elite? -Spedster777, Administrator of the Saints Row wiki. 17:29, 27 December 2010 (EST)


 * Your sword hand is the same as your writing hand... so what you just said was so obvious that it makes you look like an idiot. Hopefully, you means that "right" to be a "left". Even then, it was probably a coincidence, and I doubt only one person out of an entire species could be left-handed. Remember - "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".-- Forerunner 17:36, 27 December 2010 (EST)


 * Also, the cruiser that Six destroyed was part of the Arbiter's armada, and it chased the POA as soon as it left, so the Thel wouldn't have even been at Reach anymore. And niether was Rtas, before someone suggests him, because he's a lefty too Alex T Snow 02:23, 1 January 2011 (EST)

With the chief?
If noble 6 had accepted to go onto the pillar of Autumn, we would have played the halo trilogy with him and john Aler115 16:26, 30 December 2010 (EST)
 * Not really. The Autumn would destroyed by the incoming battlecruiser. If the battlecruiser wasn't there, Noble Six wouldn't have to stay behind and what you've said would've been true.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 17:51, 30 December 2010 (EST)

Picture
someone added a picture of a female six handing keys the package under the Fall of Reach section,and scence six'gender is optional I think the picture should either be moved to the gallery or deleted.--207.200.116.14 16:51, 13 January 2011 (EST)


 * On the contrary, I think it's a very smart move. Removal of all images of a female Six would be biased toward the male "canon". I'd much rather alternate male/female images, to emphasise the point that Six has no canon gender. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   22:12, 13 January 2011 (EST)


 * I agree, let's try to make it 50/50. Alex T Snow 01:06, 14 January 2011 (EST)

Canonical gender
This has probably been brought up before, but I have it in my head that Six's canonical gender is male. Am I right, or does he/she simply have no gender at all?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 09:48, 26 February 2011 (EST)


 * I'm sure that's because Six was always depicted as male in pre-release gameplay footage, trailers, et cetera. I suppose this image may lead some to believe that 312 was canonically male, - and wore the default gray armor - as it is ostensibly a still shot of surveillance footage from Sword Base on July 26, 2552. However, neither the journal nor the picture claim that the picture was taken inside Sword Base or even at the Visegrad relay two days prior. In the journal, Halsey mentions that she has scrounged as much data about Noble Team as she could, and presumably came across this image. It could just as easily be from one of Noble Team's operations prior to April 22, 2552; thus, the Six featured in the picture would be Thom-293, as he wore a gray set of the default in-game armor. --&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson 10:36, 26 February 2011 (EST)


 * Thom wore default with FJ/Para knees and the up-armor helmet attachment, but it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say it could be him. Alex T Snow 02:50, 27 February 2011 (EST)

Canon Armour (Again)
In the Chess game type the pieces are Noble team, with the Pawns being S312s. This version of Six has FJ/Para knees, same as just about EVERY other offical Six, and a silver visor. Six also has a silver visor on the back of the game's case, and quite a few other places too. Not sure what we should do with this, but in-game Six (and back-cover Six) seems like the closest thing to "official" we'll get. Oh, and I guess because they couldn't put Jorge in chess, the Bishops are fully white, fully default female Spartans with Air Assault helmets. I'm not sure who they're supposed to be, any ideas? As another note of intrest, as one of the glitches in Chess, as soon as you take control of a character, they become all white and have a silver visor. I've always thought FJ/Para were supposed to be default, but maybe silver visor was too? It seems that way, so if Six has FJ/Para knees and a silver visor, it would make him the original default, which would make sense. I dunno, someone will make this sound stupid pretty fast I bet... Alex T Snow 08:43, 10 April 2011 (EDT)


 * What is this I don't even.  [Sometimes, it's all about the glory. ]   [Put your boot up enough alien backside and the corps will pin rows of medals on your chest.]''' <font color="Blue">[Bad ass, unlocked.]

Hyper lethal
Stop including John in the list. No evidence, of any kind, exists to say/imply/even hint that it is him. We don't deal in conjecture. Simply facts.
 * Are you kidding Halsey is the one that said it she WAS referring to John. PRESIDENT1234 11:26, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

I don't know, Linda seems kinda bad-ass lethal to me. Vegerot.

I think it was Kurt. He always beat John for one and Mendez even suggested having him lead the SPARTANS instead of John, but of course since it was Halsey's project her favoritism won out. It was Kurt. --Kluutak 19:52, 23 December 2011 (EST)
 * John is the most famous SPARTAN, so it wouldn't make sense that she wasn't referrring to him.-- Commander   Spartacus  ( Tenth Roman   Battalion ) 20:18, 23 December 2011 (EST)
 * It wouldn't make sense that she was referring to someone who is famous as hyper-lethal. Fame=/=Skill, Kurt's team always beat John's, so it wouldn't make sense for it to be John. Hell, Fred came in second place in every category, if not Kurt then Fred. John wasn't 'hyper-lethal' in anything, he was just lucky. Nowhere did it say in any piece of Halo literature that John was the best spartan, the only time he was ever referred to as such was by the words that came out of Dr Halsey's mouth, and she was a civilian, not a trained military hardass like Mendez, and it was Mendez who suggested Kurt Ambrose lead the SPARTANS. And although Halsey did favor John, using that as an argument is a pretty weak one, considering the fact in Glasslands, assuming you've read it, she, with Parangosky's approval, names a Forerunner Artifact after him. I personally say that to avoid an edit conflict we remove the quote from the page altogether and replace it with another quote from within the final game. --Kluutak 03:48, 24 December 2011 (EST)
 * By the way. LUCK=/=SKULL EITHER Common sense people, use it. --Kluutak 03:50, 24 December 2011 (EST)


 * ...Or we simply remove the link to the "one other Spartan with that rating." Problem solved. From an off-universe perspective, it would make sense she was referring to John as a little nod to the fans. If we start to dispute this, however, it might as well be any Spartan, not necessarily Kurt - he was a competent leader, but I don't think it was ever said he was "hyper lethal." What about Linda, for instance? She certainly had an impressive track record. Personally, I think it ostensibly refers to John - while "hyper lethal" is never defined, it might as well mean that his combination of attributes (luck, skill in both fighting and leadership) places him in that category. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Jugus (<font color="Gray">Talk  | <font color="Gray">Contribs ) 04:52, 24 December 2011 (EST)
 * I agree with Jugus.-- Commander ~  Spartacus  ~  ŤДŁĶ  ~  ĈʘŃŤṜǏΒŨŤǏʘŃŞ  ~  ĚṂДǏŁ '' 11:11, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Because honestly, ANY SPARTAN is hyper-lethal. And her whole account of her saying that is non-canon anyways. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  18:35, 24 December 2011 (EST)!


 * It's not non-canon, it's been found to take place in the timeline after all. And if any Spartan could be hyper-lethal, than Halsey never would have said only one other Spartan was. Tuckerscreator (<font color="#008000">stalk ) 18:49, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Article picture
I think it would be a good idea to have both genders of Six for the profile picture. Similar to Commander Shepards articles at MEW. Vegerot.

Noble Six's Personal Achievements
I really, really believe that Six's efforts during the Fall of Reach deserve a more specific mention. His efforts were LEGENDARY, they include: - Killing seven Zealot Elites (including taking on 4 at one time and killing a Field Marshall, the highest rank possible for an Elite in the Covenant Army) - Paving the way for the destruction of the Corvette attacking Sword Base, leading Opartation: UPPERCUT (leading to the destruction of another corvette and a Supercarrier, destroying a CCS-Class Battlecruiser, and being responsible for heabily damaging an additional Corvette in New Alexandria - the killing of an additional Zealot (which are known to be more skilled than Spartans) during his/her last stand - setting up the events for Installation 04 - piloting a Sabre in space and decimating overwhelming Covenant spacecraft - Pretty much single-handedly defeating an entire Covenant Army in New Alexandria

I know that Spartan's accomplish great things throughout the war (John in general, the rescuing of Halsey, the raid on the "uneven elephant", but these were Six's achievements in one battle. Holy hell that's a lot. SomethingDifferent 02:11, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

They're SPARTANs, that's their job. Vegerot.

Recent change in gender
I have noticed that our position on keeping Noble Six genderless has been overridden as of recent, with the Essential Visual Guide being referred to as a source. Now, most information within the Essential Visual Guide has been accepted wholeheartedly, the reason being, unlike the Encyclopedia, said information does not conflict with previously established material. This apparent confirmation of Noble Six as male however, does conflict with previously established material, namely all Reach promotional material and Halsey's journal, which very clearly stay away from referring to Six by any gender-identifying pronouns to keep up the fact that players choose Six's gender and appearance.

Due to 343 Industries less than colourful history of canonical consistency and grammar (the Encyclopedia and the novel reissues in spades), I am quite sceptical of this development. I kindly ask that someone who possesses the Essential Visual Guide, quote the exact text in which this supposed "confirmation" occurs. If the Guide outright states that Noble Six is male, then this remains somewhat more credible. However if the pronoun "he" or another gender-identifying term is used in an otherwise gender-neutral text, then I think it safe to say this is a simple typo. -  Halo-343   (Talk)  19:51, 31 July 2011 (EDT)


 * SPARTAN-B312's entry in The Essential Visual Guide never outright says that he was male. However, the entry refers to Six with male pronouns seven times: "What is known is that he showed exemplary skill..."; "... his impressive performance during the fight for Reach dramatically changed the team's opinion of him ."; "... he was requisitioned to the planet Reach and assigned to Noble Team. Known as Noble Six, he fought alongside the other members of Noble. He was later selected for the special mission..."; and, finally, "While he succeeded in this objective...". However, it is worth noting that the entry's infobox states, "Noble Six is the avatar through which players experience Halo: Reach's campaign. The Spartan's gender and armor can be determined by the player." --Courage never dies. 20:03, 31 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Thanks for the information. In light of this, I would deem this a simple slip-up on the editor's part. As I said before, every other source uses gender-neutral terms when referring to Six, and as you have pointed out, even the Visual Guide itself refers to Six's player avatar nature. If there are no further objections, I will revert this change. -  Halo-343   (Talk)  20:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

May I make a slight edit?
I think because we do not know the gender of six we should have every other picture be the opposite gender. So far the page works fine except that the last two pictures are of a female six, mind if I change the last one to a male six?ArchedThunder 14:34, 21 November 2011 (EST)