Talk:Sangheili/Archive 1

Relationship with Humans
I think it is important to have a section to indicate the relationship Elites have had with Humans throughout the Human-Covenant war.

Alien vs. Predator?
Just saying that they look much like those things in Alien vs. Predator, especially if Wang went along with Jason Jones' request for them to have a tail. I could've sworn this was added and removed to and from the trivia section. PX1'7'3 08:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Pronounce "Sangheili"
To your own understanding, how is this tricky word pronounced? (For example, the pronunciation of Jiralhanae being "gee-rahl-haa-nay". Or at least to me...). Picaflor 08:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Sann-geh-lee, i think, but im probsbly wrong.

my guess is Song-hee-lee, i pronounce Jiralhanae like this, Ji-rahl-hah-nay 24.60.143.148 15:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I pronounce it Sang-hee-lee. --24.150.73.194 20:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It is more like Sung-hey-lee. You'll need to sound Asian-ish (*Wink Wink*).- 5 ub7 ank (7alk ) 15:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

sin-geall-lee--Noname the hero 21:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I just say "Sang-hey-lee." "Sang" like the past tense of the word "sing," as in, "I sang at the wedding." And since when do aliens have Asian pronunciation? That's a racist statement. *runs* Aerandir 21:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

For me I just say sang-hell-ee, but I'm sure I'm wrongGreatleader 15:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps it is / sayng*hee*lee / It's what first comes to my mind. TailSpin 19:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

San-gel-ee, you'll hear brutes say, "Traderous Sangheili!"

It is quite possible that the Brutes aren't saying it right.... Although I doubt Bungie would create a character with a flaw like that.

Macto Cognatus
Macto cognatus does not mean "I honor my father's blood." "Cognatus," relative definitely is describing the subject. "Macto" could be the verb meaning "to reverence," so the name could conceivably mean "I, the relative, pay reverence" but that doesn't make much sense in the context. It's much more likely that "macto" is the dative of "mactus -a -um," so the whole name would be something like "related by (or to) the honored thing (or person)," which could be rendered as "related by honor" -- it's not particularly elegant Latin, but I think that's definitely the intended meaning. There is certainly no conceivable way that it could mean "I honor my father's blood" (there is no word that means either blood or father) and that would be a pretty strange taxonomical name anyway.

Fixed info
Someone had the weight information in the information table way off, saying sangheili weighed nearly two hundred pounds more than they really do. I have repaired this error. Sgt. Raynor 01:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

They probably do weigh around 620 with their armor on though. Lord Lycan 10:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Halo 3 Elites Screenshots(leaked info)
New leaked info has surfaced on photobucket, it shows many things this site will want. But I came here to inform of some of the pictures include Elites.



Look around for the pictures of Elites, most notably the small pictures, the ranger looking one and a view from the back on the yellow one which is just like the concept art in terms of shape. Someone add this. I suck with the HTML for wiki sites.

Cowardly Elites and Elite Females
Elites aren't actually that brave! In Halo 2, they will definetly stand and fight, but in Halo: Combat Evolved, I have seen several Major and Minor Domos run away plenty of times. In The Maw, there is a certain part near the end where you see two Spec Ops Elites running for their lives.

Also, I've heard that there's such thing as a Pink female Elite. It can withstand 5 sniper shots in the head. I wonder if they have some in the military, and how high they are.


 * Sounds like a false rumour. If you think about it, pink is probably a masculine color in their culture. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 07:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In Asia, pink is a manly color and blue is feminine. AJ 02:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're trying to be racist, don't. The most powerful nation in the world(America) owes a lot to Asians for inventing lots of stuff in the U.S. And in case you aren't from the US then you shoudn't be racist. Or if you weren't racist, then that's false. PX1'7'3 09:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Powerful in terms of influence, yes. In terms of overall, not quite. It's undetermined. Additionally, you're commenting on an old discussion... why?-- 4 scen  09:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Quit being so sensitive. He wasn't trying to be racist.  Smoke Sound off! 14:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I thought I was on the Brutes' talk page. And similarly I usually mistake people for some other guy spying on me. But I could just disprove the fact. PX1'7'3 16:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, for us humans pink can be considered masculine because it is a variant of red, which is bold and powerful. The Elites, though, have variants of purple on all their stuff, including pink sometimes. The Spectre, for instance, is kind of a magenta. Possibly this has something to do with blood coloration. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 05:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To AJ: "What the Halo?" --B le mo http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif TALK • CONTRIBUTIONS •  THE SOURCE OF SPAM 05:52, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know about Asia, but I've heard pink used to be a masculine color in the west for the reasons stated above. --Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c laws (<font color="#000000">talk ) 06:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought Halo CE Elites had different helmets based on gender. Male has helmet with 3 fins, Female has a helmet with a curve on the helmet that points at the back.

Who Edited the rank page
Why is Imperial Admiral ,Supreme Commander ,and "Guard Ultra"which should be Honour Guard Ultra all above Councilor. WTF Councilor is top then Arbiter THEN Imperial Admiral and Supreme Commander Zealot THEN Honour Guard Ultra

Elite names...again
There's no centralized area for me to post this, so here I am. Someone has been removing the -ee suffix from all articles on Elites, for example Orna 'Fulsamee here. This would be all well and good, but some Elites who have articles aren't alive by the time of the Great Schism, and they obviously can't drop the -ee from their names if they're dead. Shouldn't those names remain the same? This question doesn't apply to Elites with articles who are alive during the Great Schism and Halo 3, such as Rtas 'Vadum. --Core<font color="#006449">desat 03:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Possibly, the drop of all -ee suffix could be a culture wide phenomena. Elites might wish to honor their ancestors by removing any shame that might be attached to fighting for a lie.

Sword wielding
Where does it say that swordwielding Elites can't marry?211.31.51.106 12:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

PS By "swordwielding" do you mean Zealots or any Elites that touch swords?211.31.51.106 12:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

The Bestiarum that comes with Limited and legendary editions - I assume it means Councillors, or any other Elite permanently assigned a Sword - not just those who happen to pick one up. Honour Light Your Way -   Kora ‘Morhek   The Battle-Net  My Conquests.  05:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I originally thought that when it meant "sword wielder" it was talking about special sword wielders you know, the ones originaly from Halo 1, where the sword would not be able to be used due to some DNA sequence thing to only a certain user. As it would make more sense, as nearly every elite type can wield a sword in Halo 2 and 3 and then on their home planet it would be chaos. --Megidra 00:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, Halo 1's design was not the best. I assume those Elite's were only limited because of coding and gameplay issues, not a specific storytelling development. --<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c laws (<font color="#000000">talk ) 01:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Very true, but it would make a few areas clearer, but nevermind.--Megidra 00:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I belive that it said in one of the books or somthing that the sword-wielding arisocrats could not marry. I believe that means the Councilor elites.Khyberium 18:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

My opinion is that sword wielding elites are any elite that is truly issued a sword through ceremony and not a 'battle field commission' essentially. In other words if you are given a sword because you earned it and not for tactical reasons then you can be considered a sword wielding elite. In 'a day at the beach' the elite might have been issued a sword because of the area he commanded or maybe he achieved it by graduating with honors at academy.

The Swordsman fact still needs to be referenced on the article page. TailSpin 04:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Cleaning Up
This page - like many on the Halopedia - is/was an absolute mess. Redundancies, superfluous information, etc. I've done my best to edit some of the Summary information you see here. What I mean by this is I've removed huge chunks of "information" and reworded essentially all of what I left (for spelling, clarity, articulation, and grammatical reasons).

I will likely continue this work. This website is in dire need of attention and I hope that through my efforts some of the glaring problems can be sufficiently addressed. If you have any issues with the revisions I'm going to be putting out please let me know; I understand the community nature of this website and do not wish to step on anyone's toes. I want to make sure nobody has a problem with what I'm doing as some of these articles will probably see some rather severe changes.

You should know that I'm not editing these articles for content, per se, but rather from a structural perspective. For this reason I wouldn't worry about me inserting erroneous information or anything of the sort. This is purely a "clean-up" project that I felt like undertaking in some of my free time.

(As I am unsure how the talk page on Wiki sites work I apologize for the formatting issues this post likely suffers from). PowderBB3D 21:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Rtas 'Vadum
Anyone notice how in Halo 2 Rtas 'Vadum is quite the honorable and respected warrior, and is quite humble, but in Halo 3 he seems somewhat arrogant and disdainful? Example: "You barely survived a small contamination", almost like he was sneering at the humans. Also, if the Elites are supposed to be allied with the Humans, why does he mention that if the arbiter didn't persuade him he would have "glassed your entire planet." dunno. He just seems a little more moody in Halo 3. Covenant Ghost 01:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, he was made a Ship Master so he had new obligations. He's always been protective of his people, and Sangheili as a culture seem into the whole self-sacrifice thing, so with the huge threat of the Flood it doesn't seem that out of character that he'd be willing to destroy an allied planet. I also think he was getting angry with Hood, and they were both infuriating each other. --<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c laws (<font color="#000000">talk ) 01:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, he probably just had problems dealing with humans. I mean, let's face it, the Covenant had been warring against the Humans for some time. Most of them had really gotten to hate the Humans blindly. Racism on Earth wasn't easy to get rid of, so why should racism among the Covenant be any different? Keep in mind that in Halo: The Fall of Reach, a Hunter steps on a Jackal and doesn't even care. They should care even less about Humans. Quil 00:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it would be specism, lol

Cairo


 * Quil is right. Rtas might act differently around humans because he has never dealt with them except as enemies and humans demand to be treated as equals or even greater though we were being trashed by elites.  Therefore our arrogance might anger him greatly.

If you were him and you knew that the humans had killed so many of his kind wouldn't you be mad? Halonerd147 03:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Section Skip
I don't really know what it's called, but why doesn't this article have that little "contents" box with the links to the different sections on it? Its a really long article. Even the Yanme'e article has one of those things, and its incredibly shorter than this one. Quil 00:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Elites and forerunners? O.o
i was jsut playing floodgate, and after the first abttle alongside the elites, i looked at one and it said something like "Anything wrong, reclaimer?", wouldnt the elites usually reffer to you as "demon" or "spartan"?

Well they referd to the chief as demon when they were enemies, "demon" is a kind of insult so it's not surprising that they do not refer to the chief as spartan any more. User:Captain-One

Now that the elites understand the rings they probably know humans are the 'reclaimers' and use it in place of calling anyone humans sometimes.

-ee
The -ee on an elite's name is supposed to mark a military status, right? So do the elites have the -ee anymore or is it just shipmasters without the -ee? <font color="00FF00">Fludz 'Carnttuchmee <font color="FF0000">Kamekazi elite<font color="0000FF">Grunty friends! 17:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

All elites have gotten rid of the -ee I belive, because it does not just mark military status, it marks Covenant military status, and the elites are no longer part of the covenant.


 * Speaking of the "-ee" suffix, something's been bothering me: Do you pronounce it as "ee" or as "ay"? I usually say "ay," cuz when you couple 'Vadamee and 'Vadumee, if you pronounce it as "ee," then both names sound identical. However, as "ay," there's a slight differene in pronunciation, in the differing vowels. Aerandir 22:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


 * What are you, italian? PX1'7'3 08:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Facial Appearance
I just noticed that Elites don't seem to have nostrils, ears, or hair. They may be reptilian, but it is a bit odd... <font color="#4169E1">ǀτ ˑ <font color="#6495ED">əґ <font color="#00BFFF">єґ <font color="#008080">TALK • <font color="#66CDAA">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="#228B22">AWARDS

most reptilians don't have ears on the outside but on the inside the ears can be found it is most noticeable in frogs where they have a round area were ears would be located on their heads.the nose is thier you just got to look harder it may not be see able in any pictures,and lastly not a single species of reptile has hair so why would a reptilian species on a super hot planet have any?--Sangheili wunna be 22:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I do not think Sangheili have 'nostrals': I have looked closely at many pics looking for such a thing on them but to no avail. If they did have nostrals, they were probably so small that it wouldn't be very effective for breathing.  I believe they breathe solely through their mouths.  What seems to support this theory is that, in Halo 3, when you watch an Sangheili that's just standing there, their heads bob up and down slightly, with their mandibles flaring outward a bit with each 'breath'.  Zeno &#39;Ribal 01:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

It is likely, with their mouths permenatly open, then they wouldn't need a secondary air source. It is also possible that Bungie just didn't want to put it in, or they might be under their helmets. And because someone will read this and say something, there were dinosaur species that had similar set up so they could eat/hide underwater, the sangheili's might be for any number of reasons(no I can't think of any)--Kre &#39;Nunumee 06:49, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

New Image of Anatomy
I need other users thought's, I foound a picture of Arbiter naked and it's actually better than some of the other ones. --Super Elite 23:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, if everybody agrees to use this, I even found more. --Super Elite 01:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)




 * Yeah, totally use this. It's much better than the originals. Quil 16:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Use it. Halonerd147 03:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Definitely he has the anatomy of a reptile. Jadeitor 22:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t290/elitemodel2/a_elite.jpg this is better this one was still

First off, where did you get that picture? If it's a fan made imagine it cannot be used as evidence for your arguements. Secondly, even if it is from an offical source, modelers wouldn't make a model with actual genitals for a game like Halo/Halo Wars. Third, if you look at the 'offical' nude pics of the Arbiter, you can make a fairly good assumption that their reproductive organs are completely internal (in other words do not 'hang out' like a human males) - Sl'askia

first i have no clue where i got the picture secondly my arguments i just posted the picture and internal genetalia isnt the only ways for things to mate i also posted this in a diffrent sement in this discussion page


 * mouth mating - they "kiss" and emitt thing to have a baby then everything is done from the mouth like laying them is pretty much vomiting them out (seen in squid)
 * external - one elite lays eggs probally through its anus and the other does the same thing exept with sperm instead of laying unfertilized eggs(seen in frogs)
 * Hermaphrodite - both male and female at the same time both will become pregnant at the smae time and i think you get it - but they still dont have reproductive organs so probally still some freky sh#t going on

you ant say it is reptilian they evolved diffrently than earth they may not be a classified type


 * He is correct in saying you can't classify an Elite as a reptile. The different kingdoms in biology were created in response to how things developed on earth.  However, Elites have characteristics that make classifying them impossible by earth standards. They are a class all on their own, and reproduction and so many other things can be said to be the same (i.e.- nothing we have observed to occur in our world.  But due to conditions in Sanghelios, different means must have arose).XRoadToDawnX 05:43, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

if their junk is internal would it be more dog like then coming out in mating processes or something?--Sangheili wunna be 22:17, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

elites have no gender
acording to bungie in a post not too long ago elites have no gender and definitly do not get married and do not even reproduce normaly but sence nobody knows (and probebly dosent want to know) why do we have an artical relating to elites mating?! What is with this picture also the mark of shame is on this elite... Is this the arbiter?


 * One, there are Elite genders in Halo 3. Two, yes... it is the Arbiter. --<font color="#D3D3D3">B <font color="#A9A9A9">le <font color="#808080">mo 23  http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="A9A9A9">SERVICE RECORD 02:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Err....Elites do have different genders. If there is a link from Bungie that says otherwise, please show proof (Give us the link). They do indeed have genders, because in Contact Harvest, it stated the facts about male and female elites and everything seen in the mating section.

i agree,my threaroy:since eleites are reptillian they wont have a skicking out wang like mammals Sangheili dude 16:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)sangheili dude

--<font color="#DAA520">Petty Officer 1st Class <font color="#FF4500">SPARTAN-G023 <font color="#000000"> Comm Channel<font color="#FF4500">Mission History 02:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I highly doubt Bungie would have made the elites an asexually reproducing species. Sgt. Raynor 21:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

In response to Sangheili dude's comment, which is completely true, if elites are a reptilian species then the would have a flap of skin covering the genitals, and actully the would have two small hemipenis (LOLZ!!!)Spec-op sniper058 18:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Maby their like the alien vs preditor hybrid from avp 2. they look lik them 0_0. Cybrsparten

HEY, what happen with Usze 'Taham's mother??????? ... Jadeitor, A Sangheili Girl 22:09 14 November 2008 (UTC)

there are ways for animals to mate without genetalia but vertabrates and other chordates dont do them that not how they evole - on earth but here they are be mature people
 * mouth mating - they "kiss" and emitt thing to have a baby then everything is done from the mouth like laying them is pretty much vomiting them out (seen in squid)
 * external - one elite lays eggs probally through its anus and the other does the same thing exept with sperm instead of laying unfertilized eggs(seen in frogs)
 * Hermaphrodite - both male and female at the same time both will become pregnant at the smae time and i think you get it - but they still dont have reproductive organs so probally still some freky sh#t going on 204.186.3.66 01:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC) - random guy


 * Thanks for the science lecture. <font color="#4169E1">ǀτ ˑ<font color="1E90FF">ɔ ʘ ɱɱəŋɗєґ <font color="#6495ED">əґ <font color="6495ED">ыţ <font color="#00BFFF">єґ <font color="#87CEEB">ιιб  <font color="#008080">TALK • <font color="#66CDAA">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="#228B22">AWARDS

also i have picture - but im not a member an cant sign up cause i dont have an email 204.186.3.66 01:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC) -still random guy

who made the alien vs predator needs to take a close look at it also the youre taking about a queen and a hive or mouth mating here a picture of the beasty http://www.administrator.de/images/members/60550-predalien.jpg 204.186.3.66 02:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC) -still random guy In halo 3 if you give an elite a gun they might say "I will name my child after you" by kingof252

Stealth Elites
Shouldn't stealth minor and stealth major be two separate ranks? I don't know how to do this could someone get a picture and redo the ranks section to hold this elite rank please? by the way stealth minor is brown, stealth major is silver I think. The pie 04:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Navy Rank
If everyone nows, in halo 3, you see elite minors and majors with two different colors. I been think of making pages on the unknown color elites. If anyone opposes, please tell what excatly what they are or good reason why.  Hydraman <font color="Blue">EDITINGS 22:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Has it ever occured to you that this game has a new level of realism to it? Perhaps they made minor differences in the Elites' armor because in real life, not everyone looks exactly the same? Actually think about it for a second. -- E D [[Image:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]] 17:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Apostrophes
The user Troyb has been putting apostrophes after almost every sing plural noun in many sanghili pages, so I just want all of you to be aware of that. I did not have the time to undo them all but I will try to get to it Tomorrow if nobody does it by then. Khyberium 01:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I think I might have fixed them all but I'm not sure, so still be on the look out. Khyberium 02:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Resemblence
It really reminds me of those predators in AvP film. <font color="Silver">Master <font color="DarkGray">Chief <font color="Gray">Petty <font color="DimGray">Officer <font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution 11:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I see what you mean, they do but wiith a less elongated head. Halonerd147 03:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Elite appearance ratio in Halo 3
In Halo 1 and Halo 2(when you are playing as the Master Chief) it is a common situation to encounter large squads of Elites.In Halo 3, where the Elites are your allies, there aren't many occasions where Elites come to your aid by fighting on your side (with the exception of the Arbiter of course).I think that this is a bit unfair, isn't it? :( Ni9lson 03:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed.  Specops306 ,  Kora 'Morhek  19:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Bungie took one of the most common and easily most enjoyable addversarly of the H1 and 2 and totally deminished there coolness and importance in H3, Bungie had a good thing going with the Elites and they totally betrayed them in favour of the Brutes. User:Captain-One

This actually makes sense to me. It's till a bummer, but think of it this way: The Elites JUST broke up with the rest of the Covenant and started a war. Where do you think the Covenant are going to place their first retaliatory strike? Right on the Sangheili homeworld. So many of the Elites probably went off to defend their homeland, and as a consequence there aren't many left to join you in combat. Quil 04:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

But still some ultras were fighting the flood on the crashed ship in voi, so whats to stop them from helping master chief. Halo 3 also lacks the armor pernutations of the elites, commando elites for a start. Whatever happened to jump pack elites? so many could have been added! User:the ultra zealot

Thunderstorm
"NOTE: When using the Thunderstorm skull on Halo 3, the Elites that were major in the first place will not become Ultra."

That deserved to be in the trivia, NOT at the top of the page. I've removed it, but might add it to the trivia section.  Specops306 ,  Kora 'Morhek  01:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thankyou, whoever put that in the trivia section.  Specops306 ,  Kora 'Morhek  01:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Elites respectful to humans
I have just finished reading the part about elites admiring the humans and their tactics. Yet, in campaign, you always see Elites calling humans "cowardly and weak". Never have i seen any of the Elites hesitate in the slaughter of a marine. They are especially critical of Master Chief. Whenever he takes cover, they call him a "sniveling grunt". Could someone explain?


 * Well, they only really express their respect amongst themselves when they are pretty sure no superiors would learn of it. --<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c laws (<font color="#4D56B1">talk ) 08:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

elite bones
near the end of flood gate where you go in the flood ship there are what looks like elite bones. maybe you could find a way to merge it with the rest of the article just a thought.

I noticed them, but they are, in fact, Brute bones. The skulls don't look like the ones on the Legendary symbol, and are shaped more like a Brute head, so I'd posit that the rest of the bones are too.  Specops306 ,  Kora 'Morhek  03:50, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

i didnt see the skulls maybe we could get them in the brute article then

Those skulls also seem to have that perpetual brute scowl on them as well! Not so tough when you're a bonehead, are you! Picaflor 08:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Aw, shut up, no puns or ill be forced to murder you PsychoThunder

Images
I think lots more images should be added to the images section, for the Elites and the other races.-- Joshua 029 16:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Stealth Elites
I know stealth elites are nowhere to be seen in Halo 3, but do you think stealth elites would use the commando armour if they were in Halo 3?

Well, as the Arbiter has no longer accquire the stealth tactic, there wouldn't even be stealth Elites in Halo 3. <font color="Silver">Master <font color="DarkGray">Chief <font color="Gray">Petty <font color="DimGray">Officer <font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution 13:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

There may very well be stealth Elites in the Covenant Separatists. The Elites wouldn't suddonly lose the ability to use stealth, and the Arbiter can still use stealth, but he only uses it in one cutscene and maybe as an NPC, I can't remember. The only reason he can't use stealth as a player character is, probably, so all the players have the same abilities. --User: Zarra 'Yairum.

Disorder.
For reasons I’ve yet to decipher, the dual sections of “Description” and “Culture” are located at the bottom of the article. This, of course, breaks the order of relevancy in the page and is otherwise a random pit of text that disheartens an otherwise structured editorial. If I don’t get to them first (Of the which, I am reluctant. I don't know a thing on how to "Edit Pages."), I suggest combining both of these lonesome manuscripts with there respective partners: “Anatomy and Physiology” and “Background/Family Life.”

Wait! Epiphany! Combine “Family Life” with “Culture.” If such happens, it would need a place on the Table of Contents.


 * Gleam 01:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: I've removed the "Description" Section, but I'm afraid there is nothing I can do about the "Culture" Section. I've also performed myriad minor editorials to correct some 'o that absymal grammar.


 * Gleam 02:47, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Halo 3 Multiplayer
I noticed that the elite armors always have black as a sub color (or something) in Halo 3 multiplayer, which is very different from the in game elites shown in campaign mode. Is there any way at all to change this (say making the armor completely 100% white or 100% gold) or is it stuck this way? Idolo 06:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC) I don't think that the mutiplayer elites look much different than the campaign ones.

There is an area on the elites neck where bullets and grenades pass through. i think that should be put in the article.

Tents
The section about Elite tents just seems out of place to me. I think it should be moved farther up on the page. Or maybe it should be added to "Trivia" (it is rather short for an entire section). What does everyone else think? May I move it? --Zarra &#39;Yairum 20:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Also there is alot more about Sangheili names in the "Culture" section than the "Nameing" section. I am fixing this immediately. --Zarra &#39;Yairum 20:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh no! I don't know what I did but I made one mistake, then I went back to fix it and an entire paragraph disappeared! I am so sorry, I am going to try to fix it again. Don't be mad at me, please. --Zarra &#39;Yairum 20:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it! No harm done. --Zarra &#39;Yairum 20:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Macto Cognatus
If you write Macto Cognatus on this website, it comes up as:To magnify To report by blood. I don't know where "honorable kinsman" came from, but I don't know what's going on.<font color="#4682B4">Thunderstream328  <font color="#00BFFF">Here me rawr <font color="1E90FF">Stuff I've done 19:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Grieving Sangheili
Where can the information regarding Sangheili grieving for their fallen comrades be attributed to? I do not think that bit constitutes completely factual information. (Picaflor 20:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)).

Probably the Halo 3 gameplay dialog. They will kneel beside a fallen Elite (or sometimes a Marine) and say things like, "Your honor is intact" or "Walk the path. Be at peace." If the gameplay dialog is non-canon, then you have a point, but it's not something you need the IWHBYD skull for and it seems consistent with their culture so I would take it as fact. Kyaci 19:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Seperatists
Why does it say that most Hunters and some Grunts joined the Elites but they are only present at the end of Halo 2 but only Elites are allied with the Humans and not the Hunters and Grunts --Garyclementspunji 02:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Probably because Bungie didn't want to confuse the player by having to figure out which Grunts/Hunters are your allies, so they don't appear in the game, but it's assumed they fought alongside the Separatists elsewhere. Kyaci 11:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

4 hearts
I don't recall Ghosts of Onyx explicitly stating that Elites have four hearts; only that they have more than one. The direct quote is "Voro hesitated and listened to three beats of his hearts-" so it should be changed back to "multiple hearts" unless someone can cite an exact page number or quote. Kyaci 11:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC) they only have 2 hearts. [LlamaSalama]

one on both sides of the chest then?--Sangheili wunna be 22:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Elite pics
I have been thinking to make the article better if someone gets pics of all the ranks of elites from every game and puts them on here. Can not be me for I do not an x-box and on the computer I have to play on safe mode. DilaBagomee

Keep it Clean
While the 9,000 pictures were very pretty, this article was overwhelmingly long. The Infobox exists to list links to information that belongs in another article. Individual pictures and descriptions of ranks and weapons don't belong here -- go make the individual pages for that stuff better!

I will tear this guy limb to limb for this
Someone vandal the page and put this down: "OH LOOK, ITS HALOFAGS GIRLFRIEND!!!".Can anyone revert it back to its non-vandal state? EDIT:Think you who ever reverted it back.SPARTAN-177 23:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Vandalism has been reverted, and the perpetrator suitably punished. --  Councillor  Specops306  -  Kora   'Morhek  23:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Stealth Minors and Majors
The stealth minor is grey and the stealth major is brown. This is because the grey elites have weaker shields than the brown elites do. This can be seen in Delta Halo on Legendary when the third and final phantom arrives in the begginning (temple before crossing bridge and getting warthog). When the three elites are dropped, the grey one loses his sheild, making an easy headshot kill. Also, when getting the envy skull on Delta Halo, sometimes the two dancing elites are both grey and brown. The grey one is easier to kill than the brown one.

Elites or Humans
Which do you prefer, Elites or Humans? Humans are slightly smarter but Elites are stronger and have a deep military tradition.

I thought that Elites are smarter than humans?

SPARTAN 456


 * Elites all the way!

Capt. Daget J. Sparrow 08:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC) humans arent smarter than elites did we learn to make plasma wepons nooooo they we still use bullets in halo they have nuclear guns foo also up with elites !!!!!!!!!!

Technically, Elites and Humans have similar intelegences(in my opinion moron extends beyond someones genus) but the sangheili were brought into the covenant, they probably know less about their guns than the UNSC does. It would be equivalent to taking two babies, raising one in the UNSC life style and the other as a midevil knight. Then you give the Knight a hundred billion others like him, gods to worship, and "nuclear guns". Finally you send the two to war.--Kre &#39;Nunumee 07:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

3 Different Specop Ranks in Halo 2 (Excluding Half-Jaw the Specop Commander aka Rtas Vadum)
There are three different special ops ranks in Halo 2 On The Oracle: The first two elites you get are different ranks. The elite duel wielding plasma rifles will always have a dark BLUE color, almost like a Royal Blue. The other is just plain Black. To confirm this, keep them alive after the "Elevator of Death", but before the "Infested Lab". There is one long hallway littered with dead Heretic soldiers. Right in the middle of the Hallway, there is a "half-infected Elite" that the Arbiter looks over. The light over it is VERY bright, equivalent to Master Chief's flashlight.

This is the place I'm talking about in The Oracle: Image:Curiosity16001200.jpg If you kill both right next to each other, you will see that the duel wielding Specop has a nice dark blue color. The other specop elite has a dull black/aka light black pearlescent color, like the paint jobs on Need for Speed racing games. I know that the Black Specop (aka Officer) is the higher ranking because they are seen the fewest and that he goes into the phantom right after Half Jaw when you go to cut the cables in The Oracle (After Cutscene of the Heretic Leader hiding behind plasma door). Then the Dark Blue Specop follows and then the grunts. Im not sure if the Dark Blue Special ops is a higher rank than the Dark Purple aka Plum colored Specop. I remeber seeing more Dark Purple specops in Halo 2 than the Dark Blue ones. But then again, my brother told me "isn't darker the better?" I do know that both the Dark Blue and Black Special ops have the same health. It takes 14 Carbine headshots to kill them (on Legendary). Why do I know all of this? Because Im the only person in my state who pathetically spends his video gaming life playing Halo 2. Im sorry guys. No 360 for me.... Though I did have one for 29 days before returning it to Best Buy. If anyone does play The Oracle, I hope they see the rank color difference like I did. I do remember seeing Dark Blue/Royal Blue specops on other levels like Gravemind and on The Great Journey (It is the Elite in the Spectre in the Begginning of the Level). When I first saw him, I figured his color looked that way just because of the lighting. Turns out I was wrong. Am I wrong? Thanks guys. Go Halo

I am ValkyriontheEliteLover

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Change Of Pic for infobox
Seem like the old picture is getting dry so would someone please take a scrennie and(no crappy 1s please) Spriggsrules

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Halo 1 Speech
I remember reading that the Elites' speech from Halo 1 was Sgt. Johnson's voice played backwards. Can anyone confirm?--Kamikaze14 15:30, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes it was confirmed by Bungie a while ago (a bit after Halo 1s release if i'm not mistaken) that the Elites' famous phrase "Wort,Wort, Wort!" is audio of David Scully (Johnson) saying "Go, Go, Go!" just played backwards and sped up.

Article organisation
This page, along with some others, is a little messy in organisation. For example, the history section should always be one of the first sections. There should not be a general overview section, paragraphs in there should be divided into other sections. Thoughts? The 888th Avatar (Talk) 11:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll take it that silence equals I have permission to reorganise page. Will do as soon as possible. The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 10:00, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait a minute. I'm proposing a removal of info here. No-one's going to object? The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 10:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Silence = Support. :P- <font color="#FF4F00">5 ub<font color="#FF4F00">7 ank (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 10:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay. Excellent. The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 10:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Any problems? The 888th Avatar (Talk) 11:17, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No objections from me. Go ahead. Smoke My pageMy talk 12:01, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I already did it, you can see the results by using the article history. My last post meant "were there any problems with my reorganisation". Still, thanks for the support. :) The 888th Avatar  (Talk) 12:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Canon
Ensemble has got some canon issues in halo wars it was okay until i saw is Spartans having shields and Elites not having any. I mean serioiusly Elites energy shields waaaayyy before Halo Wars and all of a sudden they don't except for needler elites (which u can't use only in campaign they appear) And honor guards can be eventually upgraded.
 * Since it's release in 2525, Covenant Shield technology eventually allowed the mk IV to allow shields. Though I am not sure ALL were given this feature (costs). Not all Sangheili care about shields. They probably find it cowardly. Honour guard upgrades...you train them and give them better equipment...how is that non-canon? Bungie helped Ensemble with the plot and with backstory...so if this isn't canon, neither are the other three games.Forerunner 21:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually you are sort of right. The UNSC (including Spartans) are ordered to seize every peice of covenant technology they can get their hands on. After a long time of reverse engineering they got it right. The same technology the jackals shields posses is how the MRK IV to have the shield technology. This comes straight from "Halo: The Flood" novel. In fact technically the elites never had energy shields quite as good as Spartans. In "The Flood" an elite tells a prophet that they believe the humans armor technology is "superior to our own." In conclusion bungie made a mistake by giving every single elite an energy shield as well as making it equal to the Spartans.

maybe the shields are part of the health you know like they cont recharge unless repaired by an engineer and the UNSC are smart enough to make it rechargeable but really slow.--Sangheili wunna be 22:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

reproduction
i wonder how they reproduce ? in that picture from halo wars they clearly do not have genetalia ? do they mouth mate like squid? 204.186.3.66 01:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC) unknown person

This was covered earlier in this talk page. Elites have a reptilian body, therefore the genetalia is covered by skin. Also, it would be gross to see elite dick in game. Krakenkiller 05:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Glitch or a different rank?
I was playing assault on the control room (Halo 1) and I found an elite in a ghost that was purple. When it died (sniped) and I looked at it later it was a normal blue elite. 24.192.97.166 16:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


 * That was, in fact, a Minor Elite. The reflective properties of their armor in Halo 1 makes it appear more blue than it really is; the base color of their armor is a bluish-violet. You can notice this in darker areas (the Keyes level for instance), or when they are at a distance (in your case). So no, it's not a glitch, and it's the same rank. <font color="#666666">Smo <font color="#666666">ke  17:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Elite Age/Height
How long do Sangheili live? I can't find it anywhere? Also, under notable elites, add N’tho ‘Sraom, and Usze ‘Taham, the other two elites from Halo 3 4 player co-op. They are very experienced, and followed Thel and John on their journey. Krakenkiller 05:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I changed the average height to 7'2", and added N’tho ‘Sraom and Usze ‘Taham as notable elites. Krakenkiller 20:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * ...Why did you change the average height? Every one of the main series' instruction manuals CLEARLY state the average height to be 8'6". <font color="#666666">Smo <font color="#666666">ke  20:31, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I have the bestarium from the Halo 3 limited edition, and it states the average elite height as ***"2.2 meters"*** which is SEVEN FEET AND TWO POINT SIX INCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you removed N’tho ‘Sraom and Usze ‘Taham, a TOTALLY VALID EDIT!!!!!!!!!! Krakenkiller 20:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Until we can agree on the height, i just added N’tho ‘Sraom, and Usze ‘Taham back, the two other elites from Halo 3 online co-op.Krakenkiller 20:37, 11 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Might be a retcon. Just put it up for discussion here. The removal of 'Sraom and 'Taham was a mistake. <font color="#666666">Smo <font color="#666666">ke  20:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I understand. So you're saying that they might have changed it afterwards for some reason, or by accident? Krakenkiller 18:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yup. It was originally 8'6", but when they decided to put Elites in multiplayer, they had to hunch them over to reduce them to approximately the same height as the Spartans. However, in some of the cutscenes (notably, this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gswqH2UxBUo&feature=channel_page ), even with them standing straight up, they're only a few inches over Master Chief, who is around seven feet tall in his armor. <font color="#666666">Smoke  18:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * In the debate scene you have to keep in mind that the Arbiter is standing a few feet away from the Chief. That, coupled with the camera angle, causes a 'forced perspective' effect that makes the Arbiter look shorter then he really is (they used this trick in filming LotR for the hobbits).  A better, and more accurate in terms of determining scale, scene to look at is the one that follows it: where Johnson (whom is 6'4") and the Arbiter pass by each other, each carrying weapons.  Zeno &#39;Ribal 01:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ya, I just watched that scene, and Arbiter looks a good ten inches taller than Johnson. Which would make him 7' 2". Krakenkiller 05:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Elite Lifespan

They live to be about 112

>Svranii rta'ss
 * And your source for this is? Zeno &#39;Ribal 22:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Sweat?
Do Elites sweat...how else would they release heat?--Sangheili wunna be 22:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Living things do not necessarily have to sweat in order to release heat. The fact is that, at least in humans, heat is constantly radiating from our bodies through our skin. It's just that way. Whether Sangheili sweat or not is currently not known, as there are other conceivable ways to release excess heat. Sweating is just one of those possibilities. TailSpin 22:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Aye. Many species of mammals do not actually sweat. Cats and dogs for instance, pant to release excess heat. Reptilians, which Sangheili seem to most resemble, have to move to a cooler area to cool off: usually water, shade, or by digging into the earth, because their body temp is controlled by the environment (cold blooded). However, I do not believe Sangheili are cold blooded: I think they have a mix of what we would consider mammalian and reptilian features. Zeno &#39;Ribal 01:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Clan Leader and Kaidon
Aren't they the same thing? Spiritually they're close enough. The developers of Halo Wars probably just didn't do their homework enough to realise what a Kaidon was, otherwise I think they would have had this "clan leader" character be one. - TheLostJedi  23:34, 7 August 2009 (GMT)


 * Ensemble wanted people to play Halo Wars and under stand the storyline, without having to read/play the other material. If you were new to halo, would you know what a "Shaw-Fujikawa Translight Engine" was? Yes, Kaidon is just the Sangheili word for "Clan leader", both being a Sanghili in charge of defending and ruling his people, who are also his family.--  Fore  run  ner  23:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

If we are agreed then, the two rank sections Kaidon and Clan Leader should be merged if they haven't been already. Ensemble were new to Halo, though as developers being trusted with a booming IP, its their concern to fully research what they're collaborating to. Personally I just don't think they did, and with resources like this website and the "Halo Bible" in possession for a while, I think they should have. By the way, though it may sound like it, I'm not condemning them for this Kaidon-Clan Leader thing, I'm just trying to improve this article, despite being typically bitter towards Ensemble/Robot. - TheLostJedi  15:11, 8 August 2009 (GMT)