Talk:Sangheili Ultra

Rtas 'Vadumee also has grey stripes on his white armor, all Ultra Elites have the same armor, there's a picture on this article showing Rtas 'Vadumee on a level in Halo 2. User:Joshua 029
 * Very much agreed. -ED 00:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Conjecture about Ultra Position
I'm beginning to think that the Ultras are of higher rank than the Zealots. An Ultra can sustain 3 head shots from a sniper rifle before their shields break, and one more to kill them. On the other hand, a Zealot is killed with two head shots, like Majors and Minors (Legendary difficulty). If they're not of higher rank, they at least have much better energy shields than that of the Zealots. User: Muno
 * Shield strength can depend on a lot of factors, not just rank. I'd say stick to the current rank scheme, which is already well established. -ED 00:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd be less skeptical about this if the Zealot page had sources sited. I know that The Flood talks about the Ship Masters and things like that, but it's been quite a while since I've read it, so I'm now starting to question it. -Muno 12 Feb. 07 7:30 PM CST
 * Read it again, it will be helpful. -- ED ( talk )(shockfront) 17:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Mayhaps it is because zealots are arguably promoted beyond any common field duty and would not necessitate more powerful shields.

Ultra shielding
Is it me or does the ultra elites shields seem more powerful than the zealots, honor guard, and maybe councillor. Fork 23:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Doubtful. -- ED ( talk )(shockfront) 00:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Their shields can take more then Honor Guards and Zealot's but Councilours are equal to them in health. --Lieutenant Alan 07:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Picture
I think we should get rid of the title picture, you know the one with the red, it looks nothing like an Ultra Huntermikexx 14:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think Half Jaw is an Ultra. --666Slayer 19:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I was pretty certain that Half Jaw was a Spec. Ops. Commander rather than an Ultra; don't Ultra's have white on black while the commanders are white on grey? Diaboy 12:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Half Jaw is an Ultra, it's just that his job or office is that of a Spec. Ops. Commander. Idolo 23:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

More conjecture! :D
Though this may be glaringly obvious and previously discussed, Ultras can survive a plasma grenade stick, while a Zealot cannot. This is only weird because Zealots are purpotedly higher in rank than Ultras...

Takasmarakas 02:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

An ultra's shielding is not as powerful as a councilor's. I'm assuming that an ultra's armour is more powerful than a Zealot's because an ultra is in alot of combat where a zealot is usually commanding ships. Also, a zealot is a more experienced fighter.

I think that a Zealot's shield is less powerful than the one of an ultra because there is more honour in it. That's the reason they don't use vehicles. Though that's only my opinion, not a fact. -December 2007

Ultra and Zealot in rank?
Councilors have the strongest because they have the strongest shields. They also don't flinch when you hit them. But the Arbiter was a Zealot when he commanded 'Vadumee and Vadumee is even Higher than the standard Ultra rank. But also arguably Vadumee could have had Zealots under his command being that his fleet had CCS-Class battlecruisers. So based on shields alone it would appear Councilor>Ultra>Zealot. But at the same time if Zealot were right above Major taking the place of Ultra then why is it that the Honor Guards go Major Armor with Honor plates to Ultra armor with Honor Plates. If Zealots were right above majors then the Honor Guard armor would reflect that and have all gold Honor Guard under armor. But it doesn't so until evidence that an Ultra has commanded a Zealot I still say Zealot>Ultra. P.S. Vadum could have been a slightly elevated rank and could have command over some but not all Zealots he probably has command over ranks below Supreme Commander Councilor &#39;Rumilee 02:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)h

'Vadum is an Ultra. He would not be in command of Zealots. He could, however, have funtioned as the Supreme Commander's/The Arbiter's executive officer (2nd in command). Just like a Colonel might assist a Major General, but wouldn't be able to order around a Brigadier General. Idolo 03:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I said this was arguable info. I think that Zealot>Ultra in rank but at the same time I wonder why a Zealot would have weaker shields.Councilor &#39;Rumilee 23:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

mabey zealot and ultra are of roughly equivelant rank, but in different positions.

Maybe Ultra's are the "swords man". The ones who can choose any partner they want to pass on there genes. Thats why they have stronger shields and there secondary weapon is a sword? Just an idea. (Chris)

Well lets disect this - First, You usually see an Ultra Elite in battle more then a Zealot, the Ultra Elites seem to act like Ground Commanders, don't quote me on this but it would appear that they hold the rank equal to a Lieutenant or a Captain - Commanding some 40-100 men. As we look on Cairo Station... You have some 3-6 Ultra Elites encountered there. 2 Of them serve as the personal guard for a Zealot. The others seem to be leading the Assaults. In addition Ultra Elites are also serving as the personal Guard to the Prophets or to high-ranking individuals. So it can be reasonably stated that, an Ultra Elite is in about's in charge of a Company of Covenant Soldiers - And also have better equiptment to deal with the fact that they are Combat Commanders, they lead the troops from the front line, whilst the Zealot's seem to lead the troops from their Bunkers. However 'great wall of text'ing this... It would appear that in most cases it would seem that a Zealot and a Ultra Elite would averagely be on the same level as eachother. Zealot's typically act as a Commissioned Officer, where as Ultra Elites are NCO's - But the difference between the two of them and their duties are minimal. Ones just a less hand's on Combat Commander, ones a more hand's on Combat Commander. So in theory while an Ultra will take orders from a Zealot, It's more of a ceremonious ranking system between the two, the Ultra's trust that the Zealot will have sound tactical advice, and the Ultra's will carry the job out. It can also be said that Zealot's are artistocrats. --66.37.173.159 08:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Picture
that picture of the shipmaster only needs to be used for one elite rank.--Blackout131 03:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)