User talk:Subtank

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Just curious, why did you revert the changes that I made? E: and if you reply "no evidences" it's a trivia section. Trivia section is made for speculation FlamingRain 14:19, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Trivia information should be provided with proper sources and evidences. Otherwise, you'll find the Battle Rifle article to be full of trivia such as "This is a UNSC Weapon", "It is used mostly by Humans", "You can make headshots with it", "It can be used to snipe people".-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 14:23, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

okay. I think that's pretty retarded but I guess I'll go back and revert and cite a source with it.
 * No. First state your issue in the talk page of the article and if everyone agrees with you, then add it.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 14:26, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

You keep wiping the talk page though.--Sandor051 18:34, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it is irrelevant to the article. People keep trying to notify the community that Jorge-052 sounds British. Why is that so important? Sense of nationalism? Sense of pride? Sense of patriotism? We don't practise that in Halopedia. It is idiotic and complete nonsense. Unless it is a whole different case, it stays deleted.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 19:06, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

It's notable. That would be why. And irrelevant of what you think, wiping the talk page is baffling. Because it would be the perfect place to discuss this. --Sandor051 21:07, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Sandor. Wiping the talk page is pointless and appears reminiscent of the Cold War days when Russia blamed all it's failures on something impossible and then erased all pertinent evidence. Out of that, only the erasing of evidence applies here. The talk page should be kept as a record of debated materials. There's bound to be someone who will come along later thinking to put some tidbit in a page that has already been agreed upon as irrelevant. Except this fellow wouldn't know that, since the talk page is empty.
 * Gunnery_Sergeant.png  ΘяɪɸɴF22  style="background-color:darkgray; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  Me  Talk    Contributions  style="background-color:darkgray; color:gold; -moz-border-radiusbottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  CAG 21:11, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's not notable. It is redundant. It's just the voiceactor's voice. What if it were to be a Chinese voiceactor, would that be notable? No. If the talk page contains good discussions that directly affects the content of the article (such as verifying rumours or expanding facts), then it can stay.
 * To OrionF22: Problem is that the talk page contains discussion which is irrelevant to the article itself. We do not delete talk pages without any proper reasoning. If it were to contain social discussion which does not improve/enhance the article itself, what's the point of having a talk page?-  5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 21:15, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

"Actually, it's not notable. It is redundant. It's just the voiceactor's voice. What if it were to be a Chinese voiceactor, would that be notable?"

- You


 * That right there sounds worth mentioning in the talk page so you don't have to have the same issue again with another editor. What if you encounter this problem again? Had you left that part of the talk page alone, the editor might have been smart enough to look at it and realize that it had already been addressed. For this reason I believe that any piece of information referring to the article, no matter how seemingly irrelevant, should be left alone, so that some bozo doesn't repeat the same thing all over again. I understand why you would want to remove the social aspects, but if this socializing is discussing the article and what to do with it, then that too should be left alone. I thought that was what a talk page was for. So far, I haven't seen anything in a talk page worth deleting.


 * There is probably some two-watt out there who put something ridiculous in a talk page (or will). Perhaps it was a duplicate. That should be deleted, but perhaps a new subtopic should be created addressing the deletion of such content? This would allow users to chip in and voice their opinions as to the relevancy of this article, instead of just deleting it outright and leaving some users inquisitive as to why.
 * Gunnery_Sergeant.png <span style="background-color:darkgray; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22  style="background-color:darkgray; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  Me<span style="background-color:darkgray; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">  Talk    Contributions  style="background-color:darkgray; color:gold; -moz-border-radiusbottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  CAG 21:24, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Halopedia is not a social site. If they insist on doing so, just use the Message Board feature provided by Wikia. Again, if it is related to the article and it could improve the article, it would stay. If the discussion strays off from the original topic, then it will be removed.
 * Regarding the voiceactor issue, it would be far better to have a link to the voiceactor profile (example, "He/She was voiced by INSERT VOICEACTOR HERE) rather than having a trivia which goes as such "This SPARTAN has an English accent" which is redundant and does not give any real information. This has been put into practise in Halopedia ever since it was first created.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 21:36, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand non-relevent topics will be removed. I'm not arguing that they stay. I am arguing that minor, seemingly inconsequential topics be left in so that something similar is not repeated. Otherwise you may have to deal with 100s of editors thinking the mention of an accent is noteworthy. I see how it looks so insignificant and trivial that it should be forgotten, but I argue that it stay so you don't have similar problems down the road. Additionally, this should reduce the number of pointless or trivial edits if users can look at the talk page and see that what they want to put in is already addressed.
 * Gunnery_Sergeant.png <span style="background-color:darkgray; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22  style="background-color:darkgray; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  Me<span style="background-color:darkgray; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">  Talk    Contributions  style="background-color:darkgray; color:gold; -moz-border-radiusbottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  CAG 21:48, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand. :)
 * Just a suggestion: Keep the signature simple. :P - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 21:54, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yes this Wiki isn’t a social site. But a debate on whether or not the accent is notable is exactly why the talk page is there. So we can decide what relevance the information has, and lay out arguments for/against inclusion. And we do have precedence, for example it is considered notable that Byrne is the only Irish character seen thus far in Halo. Further I would consider it notable to mention if a character had a Chinese accent. It’s an integral part of their character, or at least it influences the way they are interpreted, a filter through which the user percieves them. --Sandor051 12:58, December 16, 2009 (UTC) "Regarding the voiceactor issue, it would be far better to have a link to the voiceactor profile (example, "He/She was voiced by INSERT VOICEACTOR HERE) rather than having a trivia which goes as such "This SPARTAN has an English accent" which is redundant and does not give any real information. This has been put into practise in Halopedia ever since it was first created."

- Accent issue


 * Again, the solution to this issue is not to mention what accent they have, but to point out who is the voiceactor. This issue has been resolved in the past.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 13:43, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Subtank, I'm not even sure why you're a moderator. There's a talk page for a reason, to discuss facts and to see if it's relevant to add into the page. To discuss what seems to be irrelevant and then see if it's relevant enough to some people to add in. That's what the point is. You even told me that. However, you keep walking into the talk pages and wiping them clean because they are discussing "irrelevant information" even if it is quazi-relevant. You're contradicting yourself. Try harder next time.

FlamingRain 21:49, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you not read any of the above statements? Subtank wipes sections that are irrelevant, social or unneeded discussions. I have seen this in all the wipes she has done. If a discussion topic isn't relevant to the article, or its plain unneeded or obvious, it goes off. - Major.png Nìcmávr  ( Tálk  ) 21:52, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yet is that not the point of a talk page? To determine the relevancy of new information? That's what it was last time I checked. Once the information is agreed upon as irrelevant by the contributions of other users on the talk page, then it could be removed, but I believe it should stay, so that no one else down the line asks the same question. Gunnery_Sergeant.png <span style="background-color:darkgray; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22  style="background-color:darkgray; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  Me<span style="background-color:darkgray; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">  Talk    Contributions  style="background-color:darkgray; color:gold; -moz-border-radiusbottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  CAG 21:57, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that's when a discussion topic is unclear whether or not its relevant. If something is clearly unneeded, social or plain obvious discussion, there isn't a need to consult before removal. Yes, a talk page is for discussion in accordance to an article, yes it is to determine relevancy for information. But I repeat, if a discussion topic is clearly unneeded, its to be removed. Take this case for example. Or in this, in which she restored relevant discussion content. Subtank doesn't go into talk pages and madly start deleting or restoring whatever she likes. There's a reason she (and others who do it) do that. - Major.png Nìcmávr  ( Tálk  ) 22:09, December 21, 2009 (UTC)


 * I understand that. I know Subtank does not have a motive for spontaneously deleting material from talk pages, nor was I implying that she did/does. What I am saying is exactly what you are saying, with the exception that certain 'unneeded' material be left alone. This material is previous information that was posted to determine its relevancy to the article. I suggest it be left there so no one else in the future asks the same question, i.e. you determine that the fact that Pelicans share similarities with the V-22 Osprey is irrelevant to the Pelican article in the talk page, then I would say leave that discussion there so another user does not ask that same question later. If you leave it there, then perhaps that user will see it before editing, thus preventing the whole thing from repeating itself. Saves the admins some time, as well as other users. Gunnery_Sergeant.png <span style="background-color:darkgray; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22  style="background-color:darkgray; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  Me<span style="background-color:darkgray; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">  Talk    Contributions  style="background-color:darkgray; color:gold; -moz-border-radiusbottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  CAG 01:39, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Why lock the page?
Would you like to explain why you locked the lone wolf page for noble team? now that Microsoft has confirmed that he is a spartan 3 nobody but an ad min can edit the page (and of course) get the points that shouldn't even be theirs. im all for improving,but locking that pages till December 2010 wasn't a smart move at all.```grey101

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/21746/Microsoft-Confirms-Spartan-IIIs-in-Halo-Reach/

It is locked, like with the Rookie, because of Speculation, vandalism and all that, they want facts with proof. ~Enlightment~ 10:06, December 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * "but an ad min can edit the page (and of course) get the points that shouldn't even be theirs." ...lol. Quit your whining. Points don't even matter. Most likely, it was locked (like most pages that are locked) because of excessively stupid edits.  Smoke Sound off! 15:02, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Subtank: Because you are one of the last persons who edited the article and have the power to do it now, I request you to edit the Noble Six article to at least not say Spartan-II when all sources (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/21746/Microsoft-Confirms-Spartan-IIIs-in-Halo-Reach/) point to it not being true.Mutoid Chief 20:27, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

That's ONE article for christ sake... not some "Oh yes, it says so, so it MUST be right" Don't believe everything you read... particularly when there is ONE article on it! ~Enlightment~ 20:46, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Hey
Subtank, I was just looking back on the Drone page, I'm gonna add a link or something for my little research study for the colour/possible rank variation soon when its complete. Anyway, I guess maybe I was having a bad day, but I didn't realise how pissy I was about it:

"Subtank I know you have a high rep, and that's been gained by doing a lot of good things, but "the reasoning that it's not actually a "real" rank because it's in firefight" is completely absurd. You are inducing your own pic 'n' mix, personal canon and pulling it over the rest of the community. Despite whatever good you've done, I'm not going to respond lightly to this, because to me that's crossing the line..." And so on...

Anyway, I'd like to apologise. I'm sorry. I was a bit overzealous and I can't shoot you down for having an opinion and just editing with the facts you had. You're doing a great job as an admin of the Halo wikia, keep going. Merry Christmas and peace out. - TheLostJedi  19:22, 25 December 2009 (GMT)
 * I understand your confusion over this matter, but I'm only relaying the information I have at my disposal. I would never introduce new rules or conclusions without a discussion. Anyway, it has been established that certain aspects of multiplayer are considered non-canon as stated previously by a Bungie Employee back during the release of Halo 2. I can't recall when it was mentioned or where I could find it (Bungie.net doesn't archive its past news). So, by all means, please do your research and inform me. :D - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 18:20, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Blog Series
Hi, Subtank. As the only female administrator, would you please take a look at my Examination of Female Characters (part 1, part 2) articles and tell me what you think? --<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c laws (<font color="#4D56B1">talk ) 10:49, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

AV-14 Attack VTOL
Dear Subtank.

I want to know why did you delete my editing in the Hornet Article. It has bad grammar or what?

189.124.158.85 19:01, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Action Figure Question
Looking at the McFarlane Toys website, I realized that there were many figures that did not go with the original series. Would you like them to be put into seperate articles? If so, then how would we fit these into the McFarlane template? -- <span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> General5 7  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">  talk    contribs  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">  email   18:02, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe namespacing it like  for the series, and for the odd ones as  ? That would be the best way to solve this little problem. Using this way, we could just add a Miscellaneous to the template.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 21:28, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * So, to be clear, the page, McFarlane Heroic Collection Series, would be moved to McFarlane Toys/Miscellaneous/Heroic Collection Series?Colonel Grade One.png <span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> General5 7  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">  talk    contribs  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">  email


 * Well, it appears there's a Legendary and Heroic series, so I would suggest moving to  for the Legendary series and vice versa. For those individual figurines such as the 12-inch Master Chief, redirect/move them to  .- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 21:13, January 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Would you prefer the McFarlane Toys/Miscellaneous page to be arranged alphabetically, or according to their types (i.e. Campaign, Multiplayer, etc.)? Colonel Grade One.png <span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> General5 7  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">  talk    contribs  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">  email

Page Backgrounds
Hello, I was just wondering how you added different backgrounds to the pages (Rookie, ODST, ect.) because I can copy and paste that code but I do not know how to insert a new image into it. Thanks - ShadowBroker44   (TALK)   (CONTRIBS) 03:47, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just copy the following:

{|style="width:100%; color:#FFF;"
 * valign="top" style="padding:10px;" class="odst"|
 * Replace  with one of the following:
 * ".odst"
 * ".oni"
 * ".rookie"
 * Note, I'll be adding more custom background to the Common.css in February. :D - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 11:59, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ignore the period signs in her list. Classes are prefixed with periods in CSS, but not when used in HTML. <span style="background:#ADA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  01:11, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Tyrone111 Userbox
Why do you keep deleting my Userbox? Tyrone   The mastermind would like to speak!  05:05, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

DMR
I'll ask you since you're online. You might have noticed my edit to the DMR page. Do you think that MA4577B1 has anything to do with the rifle's full name? //--TehK (tok) 01:28, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * It could be the title of the rifle.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 01:33, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then should the page title be edited, or should we wait for more info? //--TehK (tok) 01:36, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait for more info.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 01:40, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Spelling
Just to be clear, UK spelling is adopted as universal in the international theater. Ergo, it is not just used in the UK. Are you sure that US spelling should dominate in this wikia, even though it is accessed by an international public?--Plasmic Physics 00:26, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * As much as I hate to say this, yes.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 00:28, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

My User Page
What happened to my user page? It's completely different and I didn't make any of those changes. Where is my old page that I had but mere days ago? <span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22  style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  Me<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">  Talk    Contributions  style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  CAG 18:01, February 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I see that it's my wiki page that was changed. I'm confused now. Why was it changed? Lieutenant Grade One.png <span style="background-color:#787878; color:white; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px"> ΘяɪɸɴF22  style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  Me<span style="background-color:#787878; color:firebrick; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:24px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:24px">  Talk    Contributions  style="background-color:#787878; color:gold; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:24px; -moz-border-radius-topright:24px">  CAG 18:01, February 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * You've uploaded a duplicate image, thus I removed it from your Wiki page.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 18:08, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Halo Legends
I've recently watched the remaining episodes of Halo Legends via internet leak and I was Wondering if I could add info to the Halo Legends articles without my contributions being removed (BTW if you I are Questioning my morale, I intend on buying the DVD on the first day of release).--&lt;SCROTE&gt; 16:16, February 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Spoilers Policy only covers Game information and not other media, so yes you can. This loophole will be fixed shortly.
 * Note: Morality and Respect doesn't apply in the internet. They are myths. Internet is srs biz in a way that it triumphs over all products of the world! No one can control it!- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 16:21, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Homecoming
Its kinda obvious that Ralph is ether not a spartan or his tag is not 303 because its not possible. Also the rule for cannon stuff here is we only add stuff if it doesnt contradict previous established cannon. And having a spartan with a tag higher than 150 contradicts previous cannon. --Philyboy2010 19:42, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * That is partly true... however, the canon of the number of active SPARTAN-IIs established by FoR has been contradicted countless times by newer media (Halo Wars, Halo Legends). So, as of now, it is best to just ignore the established canon until Frank O'Connor provides an explanation why so.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 19:46, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

still having a done of spartans dieing is one thing but totally changing there tag is something we just cant tolerate


 * But the fans do not determine what is canon and what is not canon. We can surely oppose such official canon but we cannot deny that it is official information.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 19:53, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

well we surtanly denied some things from the halo encyclopedia
 * Because it has breached one of the established canon and also defying the entrenched laws of physics.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 19:56, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Glitches
I finished adding the templates and categories, and I'm about to start finishing the template. -  ShadowBroker44  00:23, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Charlie 1
This regarding the article I made about Charlie 1. You can go ahead and delete it, it was just that I had never made a/an article myself before, thought that the character was worth including, and was good practice incase I wanted to edit other articles.--Crash-test-halo 11:16, February 9, 2010 (UTC)

Legit image?
Is this image you posted on the Halo: Reach article legit? Where did you get it from?

Halo: Reach Alpha build menu.

II Helljumper II 18:53, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * From the X10 Conference.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 18:54, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you go to it then? II Helljumper II 18:57, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 19:07, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Fixing Transcripts
Alright, I'll try to do a better job next time. --Kronos101 13:13, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Proper image
I found this image in the Mgalekgolo article. I believe it should be deleted because its too blur.--<tt><font color="#7BA05B">Odysseas-Spartan<font color="#4B5320"> 53 </tt> 08:05, February 18, 2010 (UTC)