Talk:Halo 4

Legendary Planet
Ok so we see that at the end of Halo 3 that the Forward Unto Dawn (what's left of it) is heading towards a unidentified planet. We have an article about the planet. In the Halo 4 trailer, we see that John is awake and they are now REALLY close to it. The Halo 4 article should list the Unidentified Legendary Planet as the location for the time being. EchostreamFanJosh


 * Nope not Yet we don't know for sure if it's the legendary planet "A Penny saved is a Penny earned" 14:31, 6 June 2011 (EDT)


 * For all we know the FuD flew straight past the planet and found its way into a space station for the remnants of the Covenant.--  Fore  run  ner '' 14:34, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Ok let's look at it this way. The Foward Unto Dawn is floating towards, what we have labeled it the Legendary Planet at the end of Halo 3. You're suggesting that by possibly the power of God, that the ship stops floating towards it and heads towards a completely different Forerunner looking planet. EchostreamFanJosh


 * I'm making a point - we have no idea how long it's been since Halo 3. I also don't recall seeing a "Forerunner looking planet" - I saw a beam of light coming out of an object that we see nothing else of.--  Fore  run  ner '' 14:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Onyx wasn't made of rock, so no.--  Fore  run  ner '' 15:33, 6 June 2011 (EDT)


 * since we don't have any confirmation that it is so then well leave it as such "A Penny saved is a Penny earned" 14:43, 6 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Frankie hinted, or pretty much confirmed it on a G4TV interview (around the 00:45 mark) that it's the Legendary planet. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 16:06, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

So wait, were these guys just orbiting the planet for god-knows how long? Vegerot ( talk )  14:36, 7 June 2011 (EDT)!

They couldn't have been gone too long, since Cortana would be completely rampant (or destroyed in the case of being gone for a very long time). People, sometimes we don't need a slap in the face word from the devs to confirm stuff. Halo 3 had a cliffhanger ending with them floating toward a Forerunner planet. Then in the new trailer, they end up being sucked in to a very familiar planet with a whole new adventure ahead. That's pretty much saying "yeah, this is the same damned planet".-- Fluffy Emo Penguin ( ice quack! ) 15:25, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Not really, Cortana would have probably shut herself down as much as possible (i.e. Human Weakness) to avoid just that. And about what he said about the unlikeliness that they would find ANOTHER Forerunner planet; who knows how long it's been since we last saw the Chief? They could have been floating for CENTURIES, so it is not necessarily so improbable that they are at another planet. Especially considering how large the Forerunner Ecume spread. Vegerot.


 * But at the other side, we DON'T know how long John and Cortana were underway when we watch the legendary ending...right?


 * Yep, we have no idea how long they've been floating when they approach the planet. Alex T Snow 19:08, 21 June 2011 (EDT)

M6G Personal Defense Weapon System
I can confirm it is used in-game because Forward Unto Dawn wouldn't have updated technology, unless somebody came on, and gave it to John-117 himself. -Spedster777, Administrator of the Saints Row wiki. 16:37, 6 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Halo 3 didn't have an M6G that fired explosive rounds either, which is what the pistol in the trailer seems to do. It's way too early to make the conclusion that a specific gun will appear in the game, especially when all we've seen is a pre-rendered trailer. So please stop adding that into the article.--Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 16:50, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Or maybe 343 decided to screw us over and began to lay the nails in Halo's coffin. They're screwing all kinds of things over. -Whiskey Lima

I also added Trivia up there about what 343 did mess up with, but somebody removed them. -Spedster777, Administrator of the Saints Row wiki. 16:46, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Again, we only accept information that is sourced and confirmed, otherwise it is regardled as speculation. The sidearm may very well look like the M6 but that doesn't necessarily mean its the M6G. Edit warring is unacceptable, do not resort to it or the page will be locked down. If you disagree, discuss on the talk page and make a conclusion. - Major.png Nìcmávr  ( Tálk  ) 16:51, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

Is it just me or did a rocket come out of that pistol? At first I though MC was just testing it or something, but after watching it about five times, I'm pretty sure he shot a rocket that blew up the wall ahead of him. Andrew996 16:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Could be a tracer. Furthermore, what prevents the Forward Unto Dawn from carrying explosive M6G ammunition? Just because we never saw the pistol fire explosive rounds in 3 doesn't mean it can't. It's the same calibre ammo.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 17:16, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
 * It doesn't look like an ordinary pistol to me - more like a miniature grenade launcher. Watching the trailer frame-by-frame, one can see the whole upper part of the weapon flip open when it's reloaded. The "attachment" part seems like it could be the grenade it fires. There's also a small display on the side of the weapon and "rails" where the attachment - or grenade - goes, visible near the end when the Chief stands up. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 19:17, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

It's also worth remembering that everything in the trailer is still pre-production - for all we know it was just artistic license SPARTAN-347 17:21, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Actually, the game has been in production at various levels for three years now as per Producer Ryan Payton, this trailer was using external CGI.

For the sake of completeness, we should remember that the M6 Sidearm series does indeed fire high explosive rounds, just not five-inch wide explosive canisters as the unidentified weapon apparently does. And I agree with Jugus: the weapon in the trailer does not seem to be a traditional pistol; rather it seems to be a cut-down or downsized version of a grenade launcher. As a side note, I believe it would also be beneficial to treat the "jetpack" as a hitherto unused integrated thruster pack designed for zero-gravity maneuvers in order to preserve equipment continuity. After all, except for Halo 2, we haven't seen the Mk VI MJOLNIR operate in zero gravity while under adverse conditions; and even in Halo 2, the camera was fairly far away. I know that there was never any mention of one, but we could have missed such a thruster pack's exhaust... Possibly. For your consideration, --Bruce2401 02:30, 7 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Well those two bit that stick out of the back do look like exaust ports, and they've never done anything before, so it could very well be a built-in jet pack, that he hasn't needed to use until now. The grenade launcher looks like it's based off of the M6 series, and there are a lot of variants. Alex T Snow 04:04, 7 June 2011 (EDT)


 * ^Agreed on the pistol/launcher Alex. The two are probably in the same series.  Haha, anyone feel up for an M6-Doorbuster?  I feel I should clarify my view on the thrusters: they would be specifically designed for zero-gravity, not as a "jump pack" like in Halo: Reach.  They're easier to explain away in that case.  --Bruce2401 07:08, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

It was my understanding that the pack on the back of the MJOLNIR Mark VI Powered Assault armor was the nuclear reactor that powered the assault armor (thus the name powered assault armor). But could it be possible that the reactor could vent a small amount of its energy, therefor "thrusting" itself like a thruster pack? And about that pistol. Guys, do you know how much 500 years is? I'm sure that the UNSC have developed ammunition that is capable of making an explosion that of a modern day grenade (or bigger, considering that that explosion happened in space) Vegerot ( talk )  13:32, 7 June 2011 (EDT)!
 * *Sith'ari drools over possibility of .50 calibre pistol rounds with the power of 40mm grenades*. Does this suggest that the Semi-Armour-Piercing, High-Explosive rounds fired by the M6 series have a variable yield?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 13:36, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Wow, didn't think of that. *imagines a little computer screen that John punches numbers into to make a big explosion*  Hell yeah!   Vegerot  ( talk )  14:23, 7 June 2011 (EDT)!!


 * ^ I was watching the trailer on a 48-inch screen at 1080p, the attatchment that John-117 places on the weapon at the end is actually another round, there was no traditional bullet. That thing looks to be at least two-by-five inches; I think we should treat it as some form of grenade and not a HE bullet.  Vergerot: good point.  If the suit vented some of it's energy by heating an onboard reservoir, NOT the oxygen supply, and then blew it out of those two ports then that would make a very effective T-pack.  But the two vents that extend on on the dorsal side do need to be explained, so I would say the suit has an integrated thruster and does not merely vent gas to behave as though it does. --Bruce2401 18:49, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Or it could be both of them combined. Like the heating in your car, it vents the heat to it, and it heats the reseviour that thrusts the person. So it is not like it was something that John improvided on the spot (but you do have to give John some credit, I mean, he just woke up and then he did all that maneuvering and crap on the spot (and Cortana too, as she speeds up his reactions). Vegerot (using the iPad, and I can't figure out how to. make thet signature symbol)

If one were to read Ghosts of Onyx one would realize that all apartan armour has intergrated thruster packs.Sierra259 11:02, 29 June 2011 (EDT)


 * ^ Are you speaking of how Ackerson got hold of Liutenant Kurt Ambrose by means of sabotage? Those were add-on packs, not integrated.  If you're referring to something else please reply with a chapter number or something; that'll provide some much needed context.  Thanks!--Bruce2401 01:14, 30 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Did not no that, thanks for telling me. Are the the ones from reach.Sierra259 21:35, 3 September 2011 (EDT)

New info
It's found here: http://halo.xbox.com/forums/general/f/14/t/8274.aspx

I think it's safe to say it isn't canon until otherwise confirmed? But I do think it gives some nice stuff to talk about either way. Personally I like that plot very much, finally fighting other humans and possibly a new Alien race neither Covenant, Human, Flood or Forerunner :D. The Needle Launcher isn't something new, it has been speculated and cut since halo 3. --Thijsbos 05:39, 10 June 2011 (EDT)


 * It's made up. Confirmed by Frankie. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 05:54, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

Chief's Armour
I'm just asking if it is worth adding a note about chief's armor to certain articles. I understand that artistic liberties have probably been undertaken the trailer depicts an almost new or upgraded suit of armour (changed helmet, chest, gauntlets, legs, jetpack). As some artiles have speculative sections, I'm sure an educated, carefully constructed section in regards to this is necessary pending further information. SomethingDifferent 19:52, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

The rest of the gang.
I strongly remember that Kerin Travis was going to be continuing the Master Chief's AND the other SPARTANs' story. So from the trailer one could arguably assume that that series was scrapped. But the question is if the basic plot will be transferred. I honestly hope not, because if these SPARTANs take off their armor every other second I'm gonna have a bf (you got to see White Chicks, funny movie!). Vegerot.


 * The novel series is set after the end of the war, and doesn't centre around the GoO gang or John.--  Fore  run  ner '' 00:12, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
 * If it's still happening at all, that is.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 09:25, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Just because Eric Nylund can write a bestseller in seven weeks doesn't mean that everyone else can. It took quite a while for Halo: Cryptum to come out after its announcement and the less said about Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the better.--  Fore  run  ner '' 10:10, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

New info from Frank O'Connor
This video is an interview with Frank, he gives some info about Halo 4 towards the end and offers a few brief tidbits concerning Master Chief's new look and mentions that the game is not immediately after Halo 3. I'm not sure how to go about adding this info to the article but I thought I'd let everyone know--Soul reaper 09:45, 22 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Mark VII maybe? It would have to be Mark VI in the trailer, but some point later in the game he could get Mark VII, as evidenced by the very different-looking armor on the cover picture. Honestly, it could be anything at this point. We really don't know much more than we did in 2007.--[[Image:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]] Fluffy Emo Penguin ( ice quack! ) 15:41, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
 * Though Halseys journal mentions a possible Mark VII we don't have any official source confirming the existence of one. And immediately after Halo 3 would mean it's like a day later. By saying "not immediately after Halo 3" basically means some time has passed since then and we all know John was in cryo for at least four years as seen in Halo Legends. 1234fansofHalo 15:51, 18 July 2011 (EDT)


 * I'm leaning toward the Mark VII idea, because of the new look, because it's a new trilogy, because they bothered to put it in the journal, and because it's 7. Alex T Snow 17:19, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

Hi guys. I'm new at this so forgive me if it seems noobish. I personally don't think it is MJOLNIR mk.7 ARMOR for the simple reason there isn't any proof that it's made already. My theory is he (John) uses mk.6 armor until, untill he will get some kind of Forerunner Combat skin. I base those findings on a couple of reasons:
 * 1)  There is concept art for the forerunner combat skin.
 * 2)  John expresses how much he would like to wear above mentioned armor in either HALO COMBAT EVOLVED or HALO THE FLOOD.

Mendicant Bias
Can the new enemy be the rampant forerunner AI Mendicant Bias? -- 8 0 3 2 15:52, 2 July 2011 (EDT)


 * It could be anything. We have no idea at all at this point. Everything we know if on the page already. -- DKong Talk Cont 15:56, 2 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, the last Halo 3 terminal shows that Mendicant Bias is no longer on the Flood's side. It's unlikely that he would be your enemy because then the entire game would be about fighting Forerunner sentinels, and they wouldn't do that. They know we need blood...--[[Image:PENGUIN4.gif|15px]] Fluffy Emo Penguin ( ice quack! ) 16:04, 2 August 2011 (EDT)

343 Team
I heard that 343 hired people that worked on Killzone, Star Wars Battlefront and Metroid Prime, as well as the composer for Castlevania. Is this true?


 * I'm pretty sure that's complete BS. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  09:46, 5 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Actually two people who left Retro Studios this year joined 343 so the Metroid Prime part is true--210.56.91.113 10:14, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

State your sources. I don't know man, but it keeps me up at night. Vegerot ( talk )  13:34, 5 August 2011 (EDT).


 * Ok, that is likely true. Microsoft has recruited people from gaming studios all over the place for 343i. Former Bungie employees included. However, 343i has never done anything but Halo. The people in it are a different story. They have a lot of veterans. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  14:19, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

Just for Vegerot. http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgamekyo.com%2Fgroupnews_article19971.html

http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/killzone-and-metroid-designers/1237030

http://vicariousgames.blogspot.com/2011/07/killzone-metroid-designers-working-on.html --210.56.81.226 22:16, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

OK, thanks. Somebody should put this in the Halo: Anniversary, Halo 4, and 343 Industries pages. I don't know man, but it keeps me up at night. Vegerot ( talk )  21:32, 6 August 2011 (EDT)!!!!!!

I'm only worried about the composer. His work on Castlevania is merely decent (I went and looked it up). He only produced and didn't compose anything for MGS. I hope he's actually a good composer, or if not at least he can properly choose which earlier soundtracks to place in Halo 4. I'm okay with the rest of the team (although Killzone seems like a dubious choice, as does Metroid Prime).


 * I agree, I hope the music is good. Good music is half of what makes this series so great! Alex T Snow 07:21, 8 August 2011 (EDT)


 * THe guys from Retro studios have shown that they can adapt to different styles of games, I think they'll fit in easily. Who's the composer?--210.56.81.249 07:27, 8 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Since some guys from Retro Studios are in it, it makes me think that we might be solving some Forerunner puzzles inside the Legendary Planet while we're fighting enemies. -- X Super Gamer Talk 16:18, 13 August 2011 (EDT)


 * That's like saying the only thing Blizzard employees can make are MMOs, when they've proven themselves very adaptable in other genres. It doesn't necessarily follow. I'm sure whatever 343i have cooking will be of a high standard, whatever it is, regardless of where the people working on it came from. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   22:44, 14 August 2011 (EDT)


 * Well actually we don't know who the composer is yet because as of now the job title merely states "audio director". But since Marty was also audio director, and most video game audio directors end up being composers (besides, they wouldn't announce the audio director before the composer) it's very likely that the composer for Castlevania will be the composer for Halo 4.

Halo Fest
I don't know how to put a source for this with a touchpad but if you search Halo 4 on Google News, an article on Kotaku states that they have found a panel at Halo Fest for Halo 4, with concept art depicting alien environments and a spacecraft. There's a video to substantiate this. I don't think it's important enough to warrant an edit to the article but just to let you know.
 * Is this it?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 09:12, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
 * 343 Industries have just happened to have released some of the concept art of that Panel onto their YouTube account: YouTube: Halo 4 Concept Art Glimpse

I just uploaded all of those concept images:

So should we incorporate these into the gallery?-- Brute Honour Guard  ( "Talk" ) 15:07, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Line Installation?
I'm thinking that the Legendary Planet might be a Line Installation. Looking at the new concept art, the opening sucks in ships and there was wreckage of at least a dozen ships visible on the inside. Also that creepy thing with the red eye at the end could easily have been on of those tenticle things that grabs the survivors to test for Flood immunity/cure. We also know that Anniversary's Terminals will tie in to the Halo 4 story, and Spark make some strange remarks about his previous assignment, and we know that Line Installations have a monitor. This would also be an excuse to have Human allies, weapons, equipment, and vehicles, with them being trapped there and left from the crashed ships. They could also have Covenant enemies, even Elites, as they would probably know nothing of the end of the war, the Brute's takeover, and the Covie Seperatists. It's also possible (though this is complete speculation) that the Spirit Of Fire could have gotten sucked in and those characters could play a part. Given that 343 likes to use stuff from ALL of the Halo universe, and tie stuff together (terminals, Halo 4, the two new books) when Bungie almost never did, this seems quite possible. Alex T Snow 18:56, 28 August 2011 (EDT)


 * This is probably the best theory I've heard, and if this isn't the story, it would still make a damn good one. However, the fact remains that 343i says that the Chief will be facing a new enemy. There is nothing new about these enemies. At any rate, since this is speculation, it should be made into a forum, not on the talk page of Halo 4. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  21:51, 28 August 2011 (EDT)


 * We have forums here? Alex T Snow 22:19, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Director's Cut
The supposed director's cut of the Halo 4 trailer, well, I'm pretty sure it's a w.i.p. trailer made sometime before E3 to give clients an idea of what the finished product would look like. My evidence is as follows: 1. Sound Effects. The Sound effects in the trailer are thrown together from existing sound files. For example, the booster pack used the Halo Reach jetpack sound effects. The over all sound effect work is less than good at best. 2. The music sounds like a stand in score. I'm pretty sure it' stock music, too.

Anyway, we should consider that it was not a final trailer, but an early render to give the clients (343i) an idea of what the final product may look like. Toa Freak 13:04, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

Master Chief
Ok to those who have read the halo books should be confused as i am, cause it says how he hates being in space but yet he's doing mean as stunts in the halo 4 trailer. Strange aint it? SPARTAN-225 22:32, 1 October 2011 (EDT)


 * Not at all. Just because he doesn't like it doesn't mean he's not good at it. He's a Spartan - built for battle, bred for war. Trained as a child to be the best soldier ever fielded by the human race, equipped with technology a century ahead of its time. Plus, this is John - the man who was chosen for his luck. He is the best at virtually everything he does. And that is why we love him. --  Specops306    Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   23:28, 1 October 2011 (EDT)


 * Not to sound like a total suck up, but I had a few tears after reading that depiction. Well done Specops.  By the by: it is stated by John in the books that every Spartan had zero-gee training but only a few were ever truly comfortable in space. --Bruce2401 04:11, 2 October 2011 (EDT)


 * Would YOU be confortable in space? Would you be confortable in space with people trying to shoot you? In space? Alex T Snow 18:23, 2 October 2011 (EDT)
 * The Chief is comfortable in any battle environment he has been trained in, including space.--光环的家伙 (H1234-NET) 18:28, 2 October 2011 (EDT)

Human and Covenant Weapons
This got me thinking for awhile. If John and Cortana are stranded on an unknown Forerunner planet out of reach from human and ally Covenant contact, how exactly are weapons going to play out? Will most of the human and Covenant weapons be scrapped and exchanged with Forerunner tech due to the only possible location to find weapons that players would recognize being in the wreckage of the Dawn? I'm surprised that any haven't found too many discussions regarding this. --RadicalEdward2 14:39, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
 * I dont care as long as theres stickys. Bush Wookie Camper 14:47, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
 * I like the idea that the player would have to scavenge for weapons in the Dawn, until they make contact with friendly forces. If they go the route ODST went, and made an enormous landscape hub world, then you might have to return to the Dawn periodically to resupply between missions, unlocking new parts of the Dawn as Cortana gets around to it. I also like the idea of new weapons - not too new, of course, since there are some arsenal staples that are simply a must. The Warthog, for example, and the assault rifle. And, of course, anything that has been canonically replaced can still be accessed on the Dawn. We know that Johnson and the Arbiter took samples of the others' weaponry to familiarise themselves with, so older Covenant weapons would plausible be available still. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   18:47, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

It is important to remember that we have no idea what this planet is exactly. We still don't know what the interior of Onyx is like (a pressumably similar place). That's where I think the "ressonant connections" with Halo 4 will be in Glasslands. We're not even entirely sure what the shield worlds were used for. We assume they were used to shield the Forerunners from the Halos, yet none of the Forerunners survived. So what WERE they used for?

This is a very rich place for 343i to write a story that allows us to use the old weapons. There is no way to predict what they'll come up with. pestilence  Phil,  pestilence!  20:25, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

there are humans in Halo 4. You can see in the concept art!--Re L 22:59, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

I'm not sure, it would be interesting to see Forerunner weaponry. But it would be kinda overpowered, more like REALLY overpowered. I also don't see how a human and a weak ancilla could operate Forerunner weaponry to its full extent (for example, we see that Forerunner can shape their hard-light weapons mid-shit, Cortana can defiantly not calculate operations that quickly). Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  22:13, 22 October 2011 (EDT)!

Release Date
Hey guys, I was at GameStop buying Skyrim and I decided to look through the book they keep out front that has all the release dates of future games in it and lo and behold the first thing that I happened to spot was the title Halo 4. It said that it was being released on November 2nd, 2012. This information may not have been released publicly but maybe given to retail stores and GameStop just so happened to display it in this handy-dandy book. I put in the necessary information to the necessary pages but I'm not sure how to cite it. I just used the Citation Needed template for now. If anyone could know what to change it to that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! - Ιι   Ηη   Ππ  22:00, 2 January 2012 (EST)


 * As far as I know, the industry does that kind of thing often, picking a "likely" release date as a placeholder until the official date is set. Halo has a history of September/November release dates, so it's a reasonable guess. I don't know that they're privy to information the fans are not, but until we have official confirmation we should regard it as just a rumour. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   22:05, 2 January 2012 (EST)


 * Well any release date is always speculative. The point being that it is set to be released on that date, but probably wont end up being released then. Ιι   Ηη   Ππ  22:11, 2 January 2012 (EST)


 * I agree with Specops. Gamestop.ca actually lists the release date as September 1 - which is pretty optimistic considering we haven't seen any real media since the announcement trailer. It's just a guess so they can write an actual date instead of "Holiday 2012"--Emblem 1.jpg  Rusty  - 112   22:14, 2 January 2012 (EST)


 * Well I'm not sure then... Maybe just keep the Citation Needed template up? Ιι   Ηη   Ππ  22:17, 2 January 2012 (EST)
 * "This article is about an upcoming game. Editors must cite sources for all contributions to this article. Edits that do not follow this standard will be reverted without notice. For more information, see the Citation Policy."

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 * If it is not cited, then it will be removed.--Pipboy300.jpg Commander Spartacus  ~  ŤДŁĶ  ~  ĈʘŃŤṜǏΒŨŤǏʘŃŞ  ~  ĚṂДǏŁ  11:42, 3 January 2012 (EST)
 * Citation Needed doesn't count as citing it? I guess that makes sense but this is legit information... Is GameStop allowed to make up a release date for the game? Ιι   Ηη   Ππ  15:30, 3 January 2012 (EST)


 * Yes. Yes they are. So far, the only timeframe we have is the 2012 "holiday" season, from a Waypoint update, which is quite sufficient for now. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   16:05, 3 January 2012 (EST)


 * I see... This is disappointing... Ιι   Ηη   Ππ  19:54, 3 January 2012 (EST)