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Drone Leader
Why did you delete the drone leader page??? They are clearly a distinct rank from both Drone Minors and Drone Majors. The Minors are green, with no shields at all, and they wear plasma pistols. Drone Majors are yellow, blue and silver, with very, very weak energy shields, and they wear plasma pistols/needlers. Drone Leaders are red/gold, with strong energy shields and brute plasma rifles. They are clearly higher rank than Majors, but the drone leader is the only official name they've been given, and they're clearly higher rank than majors. Please, re-create the page, I spent too much time creating the page last night, for some vandal to delete it

And it exists outside of firefight, haven't you played campaign? The Drone leader is the only official term that has been given, please re-create the page again.

Because, even if it is a different Rank, it is still a DRONE. Sort of like that Second Flood War thingy, I mean honestly? I'll just let that tail off.
 * One other thing. Subtank is NOT a vandal. If she were, would she be an admin?? No. she deletes Articles that have no :use. It's her duty as admin.We are dropping into Hell troopers, cause you forgot to pray to God! 20:29, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to be a bother, but other Covenant species have rank specific pages dedicated to them (even Drone Major/Minor) is there a reason the "Leader" rank would not constitute something in need of an article? Kalicokaiju 06:09, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, why are there Drone Minor and Drone Major pages? The Drone Leaders are new ranks, why delete them? 81.232.69.135 15:14, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Those are not official titles. Those are named by fans. Until we have an official source, it stays deleted.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 15:22, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Subtank, I looked into it, and, that title comes from the Firefight enemy chest on Bungie.net, Bungie gave them that title. Field  Master   Spartansniper  4  50  16:32, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Source?-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 16:42, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/852871/halo-3-odst/images/halo-3-odst-20090811104242718.html?page=mediaFull This image is from Stosh's Firefight Stats Page, uploaded over a month before the game's release. Field  Master   Spartansniper  4  50  20:17, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the source. Now, let's analyse the image. Notice it is divided into 4 sections (Infantry, Specialist, Leader and Hero). Now, let's see where the drone is placed. Infantry and Leader. Hmm.... this seems to show that there are only two ranks. Hmm.... now let's see the other species. Brute Minor/Major, Brute Stalker, Brute Captain, Brute Chieftain. Hmm... if I am correct, the Brute Captain is in the Leader. Seeing that the Brutes had their ranks listed out throughout the 4 sections, I think the Drone listed in the Leader section is a Drone Major. Thus, there is no such thing as a Drone Leader.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 22:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I like the grouping of minor/major ranks into the infantry group, but wouldn't that mean the Drone Minor/Major would be grouped into that infantry group as well. You also suggested the Brute captains were put in the leader group, I looked and that seems to be the case, so couldn't it be possible that Drone Leaders could be Drone "Captains", this is just a suggestion, and could possibly start a whole new discussion, but I think a Drone Captain rank might make more sense than a Drone Leader rank. Field  Master   Spartansniper  4  50  23:27, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * It would make more sense but it's not official. Also, Drones are insects and acts similar like a bee or wasp and like insect, they have a hierarch: Workers, Engineers, Soldiers (two ranks: Minor and Major to show maturity. See Talk: Yanme'e), Drone Queen and possibly a Drone King. So, it would unlikely for them to have a Drone Captain... seeing that they all receive orders from the Drone Queen (which is probably under the control of the three Prophets.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 23:35, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a thought wouldn't, if we were using the wasp terminology where fertile males are called "Drones", wouldn't a Drone king be called a Drone drone? ~    ~   ~   ~   01:24, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

My User Page
If you have any time, could you please help me with my userpage? It has been acting up, and lately, the sidebar has been coming onto my userpage, making it almost impossible to edit (it covers the button up). I've already had Nicmavr have a go, but he couldn't get to the edit button :/

If you do somehow manage to get to the Edit button, then I should tell you that the problem lies somewhere with the banner on the top of my page. The  at the end does not work, and as a result, makes the box go around everything.

If you could help, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks!


 * You should next time be more careful with DIVs. :P - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 07:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Ha, ha, Subs. :P Thanks :)

Forge Objects
I'm fairly certain that my draft is complete... That is to say, while some costs and maxes are missing, the items themselves are present. Problem is, the page is huge -- takes a while to load, takes a while to edit, and it takes a lotta RAM even after it's loaded... I'd suggest breaking it into subpages by category (e.x. ), but I don't want to make the change (to the draft) without your approval. I also don't want to transfer the draft onto the official Forge Objects page until a decision (approve/deny) is made on whether or not it should be broken into separate lists.

If it is broken into separate lists, the main page can serve as an explanation of how to read the lists (grey cells mean an item isn't on that map; the text at the top is a description, at the bottom is a protip; etc.).

Please see Talk:Forge Objects; it would probably be good to continue the discussion there. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"> DavidJCobb  22:32, September 2, 2009 (UTC)

An Attempt to Help
Well I may possibly be the worst template programer ever, but I may be able to offer a possibility on how to fix it. Instead of using the : thing to move the stub template to the middle of the page, you may be able to use additional coding to set the template to center. If it stays at the top of the page, then theoretically the template should work again without any problems. Hope this helps. ~ Blade bane ~  Anti-Vandal ~ 10:30, September 8, 2009 (UTC)Blade bane
 * That would just make an article with the template ugly (in terms of format and display). What you should also consider is why the Main redirect template is not broken like the Stub template, seeing that both utilise ":". But thanks for the idea.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 10:35, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. That is very strange. I would only be able to guess; and again I am a terrible programmer, that something is wrong with the span style. If you can not find the direct solution to this, you may have to ask wiki staff and ask if any changes have been made to the span class coding. If no solution can be reached whatsoever, you may also be able to put the template in a box, but this will undoubtedly make the template look hideous.

Issues with Ajax and bans
I was trying to edit a page on Halo Fanon a few minutes ago, and it gave me this:

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: Your IP address has been automatically blocked because it was used by another user, who was blocked by Ajax 013. The reason given is this: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Sona 'Demal". The reason given for Sona 'Demal's block is: "Suspected of vandalism / sock (Subs, talk to me first)" Start of block: 02:39, September 10, 2009 Expiry of block: 01:05, September 11, 2009 Intended blockee: 68.97.54.2 You may contact Ajax 013 or one of the other administrators to discuss the block. Note that you may not use the "e-mail this user" feature unless you have a valid e-mail address registered in your user preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 68.97.54.2, and the block ID is #3570. Please include all above details in any queries you make.

From the look of it, one of Ajax's bans screwed up and also banned me. Can you please fix this because I am NOT "Sona 'Demal" and I have not been involved in any vandalism or sockpuppetry. Also, you wouldn't happen to have any idea how Sona 'Demal was able to use my IP address when he clearly has no access to my computer. There is no other person who uses Halo Fanon that I have met face to face. SPARTAN 119 03:14, September 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * IP addresses are temporary -- it's MAC addresses that are (mostly) permanent. What this means is that you could've ended up using this guy's IP address, if he or you were either using the same proxy or were connected to the same router/hub/etc.. Like, if you and he used computers on the same street (or otherwise nearby), for example, then you may have ended up getting his IP.
 * Alternatively, you could be lying right now. That's also a possibility. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  19:48, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me
But how do you get a merge template to work? <font face="Fantasy" color="#3366FF">Abce2 | <font face="Verdana" color="#0099AA">I'll be back... <font face="Papyrus" color="#FFAA11">To edit! 16:51, September 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Template parameters. Let's say you want to merge OTHERPAGE into PAGE; then, you'd put this on OTHERPAGE.
 * You can also add something to PAGE:
 * That'll display a message saying that OTHERPAGE should be merged into the current page. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  19:24, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * That'll display a message saying that OTHERPAGE should be merged into the current page. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  19:24, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * That'll display a message saying that OTHERPAGE should be merged into the current page. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  19:24, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

I really don't appreciate you deleating everything I write. All I'm trying to do is contribute to this wiki, and I can't do that with you deleating everything I do, so back off. Sciencematt123 20:23, September 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * You might want to find another way to do so then - there is no advertising allowed here. My talk pages are for discussion of the articles they are related to only. I reverted it again. Do not put it back.  Smoke Sound off! 03:04, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Hi i have a question..................whenever i click on my picture game i see exactly this ................. 17 check marks 19 pencils and 18 comments, but when i click on it, it just sends me back to my user page. i want to see the comments but i cant seem to get there. i need HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spartan-113 of onyx 00:09, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Battle Deletion
Following the deletion of NMPD HQ battle, wouldn't that mean that the Battle of the ONI Alpha Site wouldn't be needed either?

Delete these polls
http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:Red_or_Blue_who_is_better_?&prev_id=46904 (Pie)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:Who_would_win_in_a_1-on-1_fight?&prev_id=118671 (This is 5-on-5)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:If_you_had_the_choice_what_colour_armour_would_you_pick&prev_id=103099 (Spam)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:Do_you_think_the_MC_smells_like_cheese?&prev_id=60688 (Cheese)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:How_stupid_is_the_Hayabusa_armor?&prev_id=55210 (Opinion of author)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:If_you_were_a_grunt,_how_would_you_commit_suicide?&prev_id=89529 (Spam)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:If_you_could_be_any_type_of_Hunter_below...what_would_it_be?&prev_id=70175 (Spam)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:What_did_Hammer_say_in_episode_5_after_going_into_his_armory??&prev_id=106053 (Quiz, not poll)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:Who_would_you_rather_be_pwnd_by&prev_id=122742 (Who wants to get pwned...)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:Coolest_Marine_part_2&prev_id=83987 (Just look at this)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:What_vehicle_would_you_want_added_to_H3?&prev_id=134648 (Non-Halo answers)

http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Poll:Ur_mc_in_halo_3_and_ur_about_to_stop_truth_from_firing_the_rings-but_u_press_the_rong_button_and_everyone_dies&prev_id=74579 (BAd written spam)

Thank you for your time, JEA13  [ iTalk  ].

Monaco or whatever its called
I thought I should inform you that the images used to replace the top banner that was originally the space elevator scattered over the savannah has a minor problem. A splice line straight through it. Also, the image over the Sidebar is simply underlayed with the Master Chief image. I'd recommend reverting until you can figure this out because of now, I'm not gonna lie, it looks pretty awful.
 * The odd thing is that I've tried several test with the theme in other wikis I administrated and they all work. I believe it must be Halopedia's odd MediaWiki config.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 22:15, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
 * You spelled apologize wrong in the sitenotice :P
 * I think that's because she's from the UK? :P--<font face="century gothic"> <font color="#666666">Lol @<font color="#666666">Phailure  01:48, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
User:Elite councilor of death's secondary profile might be a sockpuppet for User:Elite councilor of death, maybe ;).  ShadowBroker44   (TALK)   (CONTRIBS) 23:26, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Subtank!
This is mark. The welcomeing of halo. Na Doodle Al (Talk) 20:18, 5 November, 2009

My sig
Can I switch my sig back? ~   ~   ~   ~   21:17, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * You can if you want to.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 21:21, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

sorry, You could probably help me do it with less code. I wanted it a little thicker and I already have bold on. do you have any sugestions? ~   ~   ~   ~   21:31, November 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Apply the following:

~   ~   ~   ~  Thank you ~    ~   ~   ~   23:16, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Sangheili/Elite
Why did you change Special Opperatins Sangheili back to Elite? Not to be rude, just asking. Thanks. --Elite Emperor 21:59, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a spelling error. There is no such thing as Opperatins. There is, however, Operations.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 22:02, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes
No offense, I respect your jugement on The Main page format and I know that you have an inexplicable knowlege of wiki code but I don't like the new recent Changes box. It is slow to update and takes up more room than the other one. Thanks for reading - ~    ~   ~   ~   22:01, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you be more specific and clearer?- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 22:08, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, The Box on the left hand side That said "Recent Changes" but now says "Latest Activity", I liked that the way it was before when it was gray and updated on time instead of a few minutes later. I know you or whoever changed it probably had a good reason but I liked how the other one was always up to date/time. I assumed you did it because you designed the main page as it currently is. ~   ~   ~   ~   01:16, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * That would be Wikia' s secret update on our MediaWiki, not me. Never generalise someone to a particular skill just because they're good at it. In layman's; don't just assume. Research and confirm with other users.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 15:02, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

OK, I was just trying to see if you could fix it. And don't be offended that I assmed you did it it's just cause you were so active on the main page. Which is a good thing. ~   ~   ~   ~   15:36, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not offended. Frustration. :P - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 15:38, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

At me? :( ~    ~   ~   ~   16:29, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Not you.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 17:17, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

We don't remove discussions unless they are vandalism
But his edit had absolutly nothing to do with the page it was on. ~   ~   ~   ~   17:25, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * The IP user was questioning about the image in the infobox.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 17:29, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Ohh, I'm sorry then. ~   ~   ~   ~   17:31, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Covenant Destroyer
It appears in the video, but you have to pause it at around 5:41 and continue pausing/unpausing it. Its there, sitting above a city surrounded by Battlecruisers. Metalingus627 18:13, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

for finding vandalism
Is there a list of all the articles on Halopedia? if there is can I get a link to that. ~   ~   ~   ~   19:55, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 20:18, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

bummer. Thx anyway ~    ~   ~   ~   07:33, November 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, there is. http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Special:AllPages. It is hard to manage, but it does show all pages. ~ Now You Know, ~  That Flattery Will Get You Nowhere. ~ 07:39, November 8, 2009 (UTC)Blade bane

yes! Thank you! ~   ~   ~   ~   07:47, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Grenade note
Why did you revert my note? It isn't speculation as it is very noticeable during gameplay. -- rock ersk  08  17:42, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Cause it isn't needed, and is in the wrong section. That wa baout the extra weapons, not how they are fired/thrown. ~Enlightment~ 23:41, November 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, there has to be some way to incorporate it. What about the Weapons page? -- rock ersk  08  02:17, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

LOOZER
<Starnes2>	IP User:75.120.92.141 edited Halo 3 (+260) Diff: http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?diff=922517&oldid=921606 ""

<Starnes2>	IP User:75.120.92.141 edited Halo 3 (+260) Diff: http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?diff=922522&oldid=922521


 * Taken care of.  Smoke Sound off! 06:49, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Help with HSW?
So Mator and I have been working on the Halo Stunting Wiki, and we've become aware of the fact that not all things can be verified with traditional sources (or even the semi-traditional ones, like YouTube videos). In particular, the history of stunts and the stunting community isn't citeable, as it wasn't recorded at the time or by a large number of sources -- it's not common knowledge... Only way to find sources would be to make them, and that wouldn't exactly be credible... ("Oh, he made that source just so he could cite it! That 's reliable!")

To that end, we thought of a system to solve this problem, and we figured that your advice on the matter would be invaluable. Here's a link to a draft of the system. Is it too restrictive? Not too restrictive enough? Altogether terrible? (It may be all three at the same time...) <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%"> DavidJCobb  02:54, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I recommend reviewing other wikis' methods of citing, such as the one we have in Halopedia.Hint: Copy and Paste Additionally, I have two question on the Expert list; why does the wiki require such list and is it similar to HOTM (Halopedian) and WOTM (Wikipedian... I think it exist)?- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 11:59, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you mean that I should copy and paste review Help:Ref?
 * The Expert idea comes from the fact that some things aren't evident from common sense, can't be reliably cited, can't be proven through logic, etc.. The history of several common stunts and of the stunting community are examples of this: these things weren't recorded when they happened, so... The only ways to document/cite such things would be:
 * Don't document them.
 * Create sources for them.
 * There's also the fact that even if someone unconnected to the wiki documented these things, we'd still have to be able to prove that they're trustworthy in order to cite the documentation, so we'd need something like this Expert system anyway.
 * Cite an expert -- someone who is intimately familiar with stunts.
 * As for the usage of a list... Basically, Experts would be an absolute last resort -- they'd be sources with about the same amount of validity and credibility as actual proof (such as YouTube videos of stunts). Due to the level of trust given to Experts, a very high degree of exclusivity would be needed to prevent abuse. (As in, we'd almost literally accept only the Einsteins and the Newtons and the Norrises of stunting. There'd be tests on stunting competency and maybe even a kind of "background check", where they have to prove how long they've been stunting.) We wouldn't let just anyone become an Expert, as that could lead to the following kinds of citations:
 * So... Decent idea? Bad idea? Worse idea? <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  02:34, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes... you should review the help page. :P
 * Hmm, I guess it could be a decent/bad idea... all depends on how good/bad the Expert is.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 11:18, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for your help :D <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  19:58, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * An additional check/balance which could/would be added to the system would be for all experts to examine what is said by their fellow experts. This way, it is a collaborative effort to document that which has only been passed down "in lore."  And the distortion of facts is minimized, if not completely removed.  Matortheeternal 03:58, November 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * An additional check/balance which could/would be added to the system would be for all experts to examine what is said by their fellow experts. This way, it is a collaborative effort to document that which has only been passed down "in lore."  And the distortion of facts is minimized, if not completely removed.  Matortheeternal 03:58, November 17, 2009 (UTC)

Lurking
This has been sitting around for a while, lurking if you will. Which has kinda driven me crazy, considering I'd rather have closure in either result than just having it sit open. So CommanderTony wants your opinion before any action is taken, which means I want your opinion is taken. Yes. That's right. Me. Me wanting your opinion. Aren't you thrilled? :D

Action Figure Titles
Should the action figures from Halo: CE be called Halo 1 or Halo: CE (ie: Halo 1 Master Chief or Halo CE: Master Chief)? -- <font color="#000000">General5 7  <font color="#FF8C00">Go<font color="#FFA500">bb<font color="#FFD700">le? 02:30, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I would say Halo CE. - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 13:39, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Alright. I'll get started on that. --Thanksgiving.jpg <font color="#000000">General5 7  <font color="#FF8C00">Go<font color="#FFA500">bb<font color="#FFD700">le? 22:08, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Also, should titles such as Halo: CE Gold Elite Action Figure be called Halo: CE Elite Zealot Action Figure instead? -- <font color="#000000">General5 7  <font color="#FF8C00">Go<font color="#FFA500">bb<font color="#FFD700">le? 22:23, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Depends on the product. If the product title is Gold Elite, it should be Gold Elite. If unknown, then yes.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 22:29, November 23, 2009 (UTC)