Talk:Jiralhanae

Add Brute Weapons List!
This should have a list of Brute made weapones like Gravity Hammer, Brute Shot, Brute Plasma Rifle ext.--prophit of war 23:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the weapon list on this article.--prophit of war 15:22, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome -- SpecOps306 03:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Brutes are playable?
There was a rumour going around that Brutes would be playable in Halo 3. Busted by Bungie, but should it go into the trivia section?
 * It's not really that Brute-related, though. Perhaps just a note in the Halo 3 fact list? --Dragonclaws 21:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

How do you pronounce Jhiralhanae?
How do you think Jhiralhanae? You know my pronounciation thing isn't on the talk main page anymore. I'm just wandering.--prophit of war 15:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's Jiralhanae. Cheers, 49 Proximal Secant[ oracle ][[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 20:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I pronounce it like Ji-ral-ah-nay. User:Joshua 029

Thanks user:Joshua 029--prophit of war 17:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I pronounce it "jeer-all-han-ay". I don't know the correct version, though. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 19:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

More pictures please!
I think we need more examples of Brutes in Halo 3, like the Chieftains, the Captains, etc. Like pictures, in this page, as well as in each of the rank respective articles! --Black Mercy 11:22, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

yes! more pretty pictures! - яÏΜFÏяΣ  the rebelious anarchist Terminus  20:39, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Green Blood?
I don't think the statement on green blood should go just yet. I have a feeling this is more of the "beta blood" for the Brutes, they had black blood in Halo 2. I think the designers didn't have the time to code in the correct color for the Brutes at the time of the doc. -- User:Knuxchao
 * Concur. Since it's a beta, we can't put our foots to the petal yet. Cheers, 49 Proximal Secant[ oracle ][[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 20:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

VIDOC
Has anyone else noticed that in the untextured part, near the crashed pelican, a Brute uses the body of a fallen Brute as cover, firing his Brute Shot from behind it? wow...OMG, GoW COVER SYSTEM!!! not really. -- SpecOps306 07:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Well AI has always used cover, the shocking part to me is that he is using a body. What good will that do?--The Chazz025 and Clan [Razu'Kuzumee] 17:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Bravo Kilos?
When bungie makes the "interviews" with the marines the marines seem to call the brutes Bravo Kilos, could this be the scientific human term for the brutes or something?--User:The Chazz025 and Clan [Razu'Kuzumee] 17:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noted that too. =D Cheers, Gho st I nsi de the M ach ine ''(Whisper through the Storm ) (My Journeys ) (Omens ) 17:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Bravo Kilo = B K = Baby Kong. simple. -- SpecOps306 20:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I was just trying to find a way to work that into the main article, but couldn't without rewriting the whole introductory paragraph. Someone should make a list of slang names for covenant races. The only ones off the top of my head are squid-heads (elites) and baby kongs (brutes) Monkeyfoetus 168.103.50.126 22:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Split-Chin for Elites, Can of Worms for Hunters, and Hairy Gorilla for Brutes.--The Chazz025 and Clan [Razu'Kuzumee] 23:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

You can just stick a note in the trivia section. Or maybe nicknames should be added to the species infobox. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 06:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

BK - talk about in-game advertising...guess Bungie don't think much of Sneak King either! =D Kora &#39;Morhekee 08:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Special operation brutes?
Dose any one think there will be special operation brutes in H3 to replace the former spec ops elite's. If you look at the video documentary Et Tu Brute? At (2:06) and especially (2:39) there's some concept art of a brute wearing all black armour with what appears to be some sort of inferred vision and high tech armour these might not be the final designs for spec ops brutes but it is possible that there is going to be a special operation brute rank introduced in H3. user:Kami-Sama
 * dose any one wish to comment User:Kami-Sama

Ya, I was wondering what that could be because they looked nothing like the ones in game play. That would be cool if they were, hey by the way did you see the one with the particle beam rifle on its back?--The Chazz025 and Clan [Razu'Kuzumee] 19:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I noticed the carbain but if there is a spec ops brutes in the game then what's there purpose the same as the elites or diffrent. perhaps assasains and do you think they look like there wearing some wierd type of preditor armour. Visit my user page

New Armour
Hey, on one video I saw bungi's giving the Brutes new armour to compensate for the Elites leaving the Covenant. Also they're apparently going to travel in packs.--prophit of war 17:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Et tu Brute, just a little late, sorry--The Chazz025 and Clan [Razu'Kuzumee] 19:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article has been tagged for cleanup. Any reasons why? --Geoffron 21:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Anatomy and Physiology
can some one add a sections like on the elight page the Anatomy and Physiology bit i would do it my self but im not much of a wrighter and i think it would be a improvement on the artical. User:Kami-Sama.

No problem A Monument to All Your Sins 17:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I have a Question
Hi everyone my question is: The brute with sword in "Et tu brute" is a captain or a chieftain. Its only curiosity. Clavix2 A brute fan and lover.

It stated in GoO in the chapter just before Section 5 that Brutes and Elites have an ancient conflict probably responsible for their current hatred of each other or did I just mis read and if not shouldn’t it be mentioned on the page somewhere? -- MCDBBlits 21:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I have a question did any one notice that the paragraph about ViDoc and Julius Caesar's last words it states that "This quotation is famous in Roman history, as its words are believed to be Julius Caesar's last before he was murdered. Translated roughly from Latin to English, it means "And you, Brutus?", expressing Caesar's surprise at finding his friend Brutus among his killers." when it is known that "Caesar almost certainly did not, in fact, utter these precise words upon his assassination. Plutarch says that he died wordlessly while Suetonius says that he said "Καὶ σὺ τέκνον" (Kai su, teknon?), Greek for "You too, my child?"" by the Latin version was made famous by William Shakespeare, who used it in his play Julius Caesar (act 3, scene 1,85). -- MCDBBlits 16:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * That may be true. But the average person would have no idea what they were, or who said them. Et Tu, Brute? is probably the more famous version, so Bungie used that. And i've always thought that the reason the Covenant "went easy" on humanity for so long, when they had the ability to wipe them out, was because they were fighting the brutes. thirty years worth of fighting the brutes would need a lot of resources! Impressive research, though!

Primitive or advanced?
The brutes to me seem that their society is probably technologicly comparable to the humans of the 20th or 19th century.To me they don't seem to be have BIG cities but nor primitive villages?--0nyx Sp1k3r 23:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)BLARG!!!

i think the brutes themselves were a primitive race but when they joined the covenant they got technology like their armour,the mauler, spiker etc.Alphacheiftain101 20:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Strange Brute
In a screenshot at bungie the master chief is in a jungle (preseumably the first level) and he's confronting a brute standing next to an active bubble sheild. The Brut's armor isnt that of a minor or major or cheiftan. It looks more primitive like Tartarus's brutes in halo 2. Anybody know what it is?-DiabloInferno

its a brute thats been stripped of its technology possably with an overcharged plasma pistol coz they seem to have the same effect on brutes as elite in that it removes/drains their sheild/armour in one hit you a can add that to the plasma pistol page if u want i have a source its the sierra 117 video on YouTubeAlphacheiftain101 20:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

that could be true but i could have sworn i read somthing that said once the brutes became the main part of the covenant (other than the prophets) so they reverted to some of there old tech...

Armor
COuld the reason that the armor is so different between games be that they are in different legions? I was thinking that the legion controlled by Tartarus could be more barbaric, hence the less technologically advanced armor, and the other legions are less pronounced, and less elite so they use standard Brure armor? SPARTAN-101

maybe its because the brutes in halo 2 were on high charity and the brutes in halo 3 were on earth hence in the frontline which means that they would need better armour, weapons, vehicles etc.Alphacheiftain101 20:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

another thing is before the brutes werent as highly ranked as the elites and like the rest of the covenant therefor didnt have as advanced armor but now there the main rank in the covenant so there armor has upgraded right

Rocket Launcher
In what level you see Butes with rocket launcher?? Its real or Vandal Clavix2 06:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree.I've never Brute with a rocket launcher either.Why do you lie??--Thunderstream328 15:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It is because they can wield fuel rod cannons which is the exact opposite of a rocket launcher.

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Tiny page edit
I edited the page a little. I put a reference for the 'Brutes have Shields now'-quote, and added in a screenshot of a Brute Chieftain in Halo 3. Blue Ninja 14:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * what do u mean the only sheild the brutes have are bubble sheilds, covenant sheilds and invincablility which technicallt isnt a sheild so on that referance be more secific they dont have energy sheilds just armour.Alphacheiftain101 21:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I will now throw caution to the wind and edit this article, I hope I do not screw it up. Don't worry, I just fixed some grammer. By the way, since "editing Help" will not load for some reason, I would like to know more about signing comments, as I'm still not sure after reading the note at the bottom of the page. Also, Who said, or at least implied, that brutes are smarter than humans? That seems, like, not true. Help me I'm a n00b on Halopedia!

New Brute Rank
this could or could not be put into consideration but ive noticed something among various screenshots of brutes

We all know that there are Minors, Captains, Chieftans, and Jet Pack and even stealth brutes.

Im sure people would just dismiss them as minors but what about those brutes who sport green armor?

ive noticed that they are the only brutes seen piloting choppers so could this be a new class entirely. Possibly engineer?

peace

they seen to be either a variation of a captain or the brute eqauvalent of the elite pilots from halo 2. Alphacheiftain101 21:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

hey this is Yap Yap speaking, and I have to say, that I have no idea what is up with this new rank. But I have a few guesses. 1 that its the stealth brute armor and they are used en masse for their predator like nature. 2 They are engineers like you said. Or 3 that they are either commando ranked, or a hunting rank, like trained wolves and have a special sense of smell, accounting for the lack of a visible eye slit in the helmet, strange nose covering projection and lightweight looking armor for speed. Look in the comic to see what I mean.If you have any other theories or agree with one of mine, my callsign is Yap Yap. I'd like to hear them.

As far has been confiremd theres Minors, in two colors, blue and turqouise/green, captain in red, green, purple and gold and captain in red and gold, along with jet pack elites and the possiblity of stealth elites. I've seen an image of that paticular brute armor in question, on the Et Tu Brute vidoc, in a piece of concept art being drawn by Isaac Hannaford, the picture is a variation of the Stealth Brute picture, chances are its going to be the Actual Stealth Brute. --Ajax 013 14:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

seems true man, it just made me wonder since the green brutes didnt really wear as much armor as the minors and soley piloted choppers. Dont forget that there are blue captains too! my favorite so far

I don't know why Bungie didnt add brutes into multiplayer, it wouldnt be unbalanced because Brutes armour could act as shields would, then when the armour is blown off the damage would be the same as an elites or spartans.-- Joshua 029 19:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

About shielding, I don't see any excuse why Brutes couldn't have been included in Halo 3, however I think Bungie excluded them because they have a very different outline compared to elites and humans, which both have their critical points in the same exact region. I think the Brutes arms would stick out of that outline. But I may be wrong. - TheLostJedi  18:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Intelligence
This article states that Brutes are smarter than most humans. Source? Blacktiger9000 22:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's bull. BALEETED - theblackthrone  (atthecenter)    (ofultimatechaos)  22:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

sword?
In the brute vidoc, there was a brute hero with an energy sword. However, i haven't seen single brute with sword in Halo3. Have you? Or did Bungie drop the swords-to-brutes idea?

Ah, that figures, have anyone actually seen an Elite with dual energy sword. ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 11:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I've played through the Campaign about 2-3 times and haven't seen either. :( - TheLostJedi  21:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Ranks?
I've been looking at all of the brute ranking articals and i've noticed that it's all very sketchy (Compared to the Elites). User:Kami-Sama The Brute rank pages need to be rewritten with separate sections for Halo 2 and 3 Brutes. Mr Toad 23:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Weird
So, i was playing the campaign the other day with the IWHBYD skull on. I killed a brute, and one of the brutes next to him said "He was my lover!" Either the brute females have really deep voices, or I guess the brutes are okay with same sex relationships. Covenant Ghost 16:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there's this gay Brutes article. --<font color="#000000">Dragon<font color="#FF0000">c laws (<font color="#000000">talk ) 17:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Joined the Covenant when?
Hi, I've been trying to find out, does anyone know when the Brutes joined the Covenant? Is there an actual date in the Halo universe? Was it before the games... or after Halo: CE, or...? - TheLostJedi  21:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was before Halo:CE in the Halo Universe, but Bungie came up with the Brute before Halo 2. --<font color="#D3D3D3">B <font color="#A9A9A9">le <font color="#808080">mo 23  http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="A9A9A9">SERVICE RECORD 23:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

In First Strike, they were in the Covenant, but not in the military. It wasn't even until the end of First Strike that the Honor Guard had seen a Brute, at least in the presence of a Prophet. As to the actual date they first joined, however, /me has no idea. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 23:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Aren't the Brutes part of the initial Covenan race, but in Halo 1, only a small part of the Covenant were sent from the Holy City to Alpha Halo to track down the Autumn? ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 11:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no "Covenan[t] race". The Covenant is a pact between *two* races, the Prophets and the Elites. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 15:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

That was the impression I was under, that they joined the Covenant long ago, but with no facts (at least that I know of) it's just speculation. What GPT has said though sounds interesting and helpful. Thanks for all of your replies :)

But please help! Does anyone else know anymore about when the Brutes joined the Covenant? - TheLostJedi  19:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

They joined before the Covenant first fought the UNSC on Harvest. Spartan-016 01:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, that's interesting, it helps anyway, so thank you. :) But just wondering, where did you find out that they were in the Covenant before the Battle of Harvest? - TheLostJedi  15:57, 02 November 2007 (UTC)

It's assumption based on the fact that in Contact Harvest, their role in the Covenant is very well defined and the Elites deference to them very established. They do not seem like new inductees, especially since they are (rarely) given ships to control, not something a new species would be trusted with. InnerRayg 17:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so they were in the Covenant before the Battle of Harvest... I'm a little confused though, what were their roles/responsibilities in the Covenant? - TheLostJedi  13:25, 03 November 2007 (UTC)

I might classify them as hard labor or a beefed up version of "cannon fodder". Elites fear their rank-climbing tendencies and try to subvert them at every moment, so I would doubt that besides a few they have any special treatment at all. They rank above Grunts and Jackals, but this probably has more to do with the fact that any of those creatures would make nothing more then a tasty snack for the Brute if it really got angry. InnerRayg 13:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Somehow they just walk into the race, you might as well ask when did the Covenant race started? ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 13:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

So they were in the Covenant military... They do not seem like new inductees, especially since they are (rarely) given ships to control, not something a new species would be trusted with. About being given ships to control though, is that something the Brutes were allowed to do around the time of the Battle of Harvest? Or did they gain that responsibility later? - TheLostJedi  11:01, 04 November 2007 (UTC)

Eh, nevermind I guess =P Thank you a lot everyone anyway, what was said was very helpful. - TheLostJedi  03:49, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Halo 2 Brutes
If we can get them, I think we need correct pictures for each Brute rank in Halo 2 along with their Halo 3 versions. I for one had difficulty telling them apart in 2, so this'd make it easier.

Brute Strength?
How strong do you think a brute is? The minor ones are probably on par with the MC [around 4 tons], but some of those older/higher ranking ones seem to put the MC to shame strength wise [i.e Tartarus was described as having the muscle to kill a hunter: First Strike: Page 339].

That strengh could probably have killed the MC, I mean, lifting half a ton with one hand. Aren't they stronger then Elites? ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 11:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Brutes are always known for their excessive strength and resilience. In a hand to hand fight they will always win against a Spartan in a pure physical challenge, and since Elites are analogous to Spartan strength, it can be assumed Brutes are stronger than them as well. They are nearly a foot bigger than an Elite anyway...

One of the Brute quotes
"The rest of the Sangheili will live as our slaves!"

It says in the article that it's only been heard on one level: I've heard it on the Covenant. Also interesting as it's the only time I can remember Covenant language names being used in the games. Gruntyking117 04:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)