Talk:Jiralhanae

Brute Strength measurement is way off
In the description section, the fight between Master Chief and a Brute on the Covenant station Unyielding Hierophant is used as a testament to the Brute's strength. I would like to point out that all Spartans (excluding Master Chief) involved in that fight had less than one week prior sustained injuries from falling over two kilometers at terminal velocity onto the planet Reach's surface, and also sustained various other combat related injuries since then, including but not limited to the battle of Reach, and the repairing of the Ascendent Justice's main drive conduit (page 233 Halo: First Strike). Master Chief himself had sustained various injuries on Halo, which are described in Doctor Halsey's words, "What with the burns, contrusions, fractures and internal bleeding, you should be in shock. The only sleep you've gotten in a week was unconsciousness brought on by your wounds." (Page 242 Halo: First Strike)

The Spartans involved in this fight were by no means in peak condition and to top it off, were in Mark V armor. I would go as far to say that a Spartan in peak condition in Mark VI armor would be quite capable of overpowering a Brute in hand to hand combat. I believe this can not be ignored and I request that the erroneous measurement be amended or removed. As for how that should be done, I'm new to wiki so I have no idea what to do. Tikalal 05:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Intelligence
This article states that Brutes are smarter than most humans. Source? Blacktiger9000 22:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's bull. BALEETED - theblackthrone  (atthecenter)    (ofultimatechaos)  22:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The Brutes are all brawn and no brains.

Its true and not funny at all. Spec-op sniper058 22:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

sword?
In the brute vidoc, there was a brute hero with a hammer. However, i haven't seen single brute with hammer in Halo3. Have you? Or did Bungie drop the hammer-to-brutes idea?

Ah, that figures, have anyone actually seen an Elite with dual energy plasma rifle. ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 11:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I've played through the Campaign about 2-3 times and haven't seen either. :( - TheLostJedi  21:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Nope there is no Chieftain with a sword in Halo 3 Bungie removed them.

Ranks?
I've been looking at all of the brute ranking articals and i've noticed that it's all very sketchy (Compared to the Elites). User:Kami-Sama The Brute rank pages need to be rewritten with separate sections for Halo 2 and 3 Brutes. Mr Toad 23:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Weird
So, i was playing the campaign the other day with the IWHBYD skull on. I killed a brute, and one of the brutes next to him said "He was my lover!" Either the brute females have really deep voices, or I guess the brutes are okay with same sex relationships. Covenant Ghost 16:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there's this gay Brutes article. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 17:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe the Covenant as a whole isn't against same-sex pairings, if that and similar Elite responses are really supposed to be taken seriously. I can see it more as a joke, though.--K48Kajex 11:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I can't see why the Covenant would have an issue with it. Unlike our religions, their version of salvation isn't about what you do, but rather flipping some switch somewhere. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 17:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Joined the Covenant when?
Hi, I've been trying to find out, does anyone know when the Brutes joined the Covenant? Is there an actual date in the Halo universe? Was it before the games... or after Halo: CE, or...? - TheLostJedi  21:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was before Halo:CE in the Halo Universe, but Bungie came up with the Brutes before Halo 2. --B le mo 23  http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif TALK • CONTRIBUTIONS • SERVICE RECORD 23:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

In First Strike, they were in the Covenant, but not in the military. It wasn't even until the end of First Strike that the Honor Guard had seen a Brute, at least in the presence of a Prophet. As to the actual date they first joined, however, /me has no idea. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 23:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Aren't the Brutes part of the initial Covenant race, but in Halo 1, only a small part of the Covenant were sent from the Holy City to Alpha Halo to track down the Autumn? ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 11:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no "Covenan[t] race". The Covenant is a pact between *two* races, the Prophets and the Elites. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 15:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

That was the impression I was under, that they joined the Covenant long ago, but with no facts (at least that I know of) it's just speculation. What GPT has said though sounds interesting and helpful. Thanks for all of your replies :)

But please help! Does anyone else know anymore about when the Brutes joined the Covenant? - TheLostJedi  19:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

They joined before the Covenant first fought the UNSC on Harvest. Spartan-016 01:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, that's interesting, it helps anyway, so thank you. :) But just wondering, where did you find out that they were in the Covenant before the Battle of Harvest? - TheLostJedi  15:57, 02 November 2007 (UTC)

It's assumption based on the fact that in Contact Harvest, their role in the Covenant is very well defined and the Elites deference to them very established. They do not seem like new inductees, especially since they are (rarely) given ships to control, not something a new species would be trusted with. InnerRayg 17:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so they were in the Covenant before the Battle of Harvest... I'm a little confused though, what were their roles/responsibilities in the Covenant? - TheLostJedi  13:25, 03 November 2007 (UTC)

I might classify them as hard labor or a beefed up version of "cannon fodder". Elites fear their rank-climbing tendencies and try to subvert them at every moment, so I would doubt that besides a few they have any special treatment at all. They rank above Grunts and Jackals, but this probably has more to do with the fact that any of those creatures would make nothing more then a tasty snack for the Brute if it really got angry. InnerRayg 13:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Somehow they just walk into the race, you might as well ask when did the Covenant race started? ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 13:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

So they were in the Covenant military... They do not seem like new inductees, especially since they are (rarely) given ships to control, not something a new species would be trusted with. About being given ships to control though, is that something the Brutes were allowed to do around the time of the Battle of Harvest? Or did they gain that responsibility later? - TheLostJedi  11:01, 04 November 2007 (UTC)

Eh, nevermind I guess =P Thank you a lot everyone anyway, what was said was very helpful. - TheLostJedi  03:49, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Halo 2 Brutes
If we can get them, I think we need correct pictures for each Brute rank in Halo 2 along with their Halo 3 versions. I for one had difficulty telling them apart in 2, so this'd make it easier.

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I think there are only two ranks, the Chieftain (which wields a Brute Shot if I remember correctly), and the other ones. I Doubt any Covenant given "ranks" existed, rather their in-pack ranks were used on High Charity. I believe that the Brutes attacking Earth in Halo 3 were given ranks some time between the two games. Tikalal 06:01, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Brute Strength?
How strong do you think a brute is? The minor ones are probably on par with the MC [around 4 tons], but some of those older/higher ranking ones seem to put the MC to shame strength wise [i.e Tartarus was described as having the muscle to kill a hunter: First Strike: Page 339].

That strengh could probably have killed the MC, I mean, lifting half a ton with one hand. Aren't they stronger then Elites? ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 11:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Brutes are always known for their excessive strength and resilience. In a hand to hand fight they will always win against a Spartan in a pure physical challenge, and since Elites are analogous to Spartan strength, it can be assumed Brutes are stronger than them as well. They are nearly a foot bigger than an Elite anyway...

Yes Brutes are very strong and not even 4 Assault rifles (half empty) can kill one. But Master Chief killed one with his bare hands. (note: this is the one that had 4 half empty Assault rifles fired on him.) He did this by getting the Brute on 1 hand, with the other behind his back, on the floor and sitting on top of him. Then the Brute started to get up and Master Chief primed a grenade, then put it under the Brute and swiped the Brutes arm, the one holding him up, out from under him. Next the frag went off lifting them both up, but it did not blow the whole way through the Brute. Then Master Chief killed the other 2 Brutes.(Yes there were 2 other Brutes and no he didn't use his bare hands to kill them.)

Brutes are stronger than both elites and spartans as the are able to kill a hunter with melees in halo 2,but one strange thing is that a brute needs around 5-7 melees to kill you in halo 2 when berserking but a minor elite can kill you with one melee on normal,but this could possibly be explained by that the elites are more agile and intelligent and trough that are able to hit much more critical points on the body.

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Take a look at the top of the discussion page, I think my article adds to this discussion. 210.49.203.8 01:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

One of the Brute quotes
"The rest of the Sangheili will live as our slaves!"

It says in the article that it's only been heard on one level: I've heard it on the Covenant. Also interesting as it's the only time I can remember Covenant language names being used in the games. Gruntyking117 04:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

im sure i heard one brute say "damn you, you bastard"

i heard that a brute said this when i died "ding dong the demon is dead" grunts say it also

Relief
Anyone notice how on The Ark Level, in the room where all the grunts are sleeping you can see a brute going to the bathroom? I saw him doing that and melee'd him in the back while he was busy. Covenant Ghost 16:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, he is referred to as the Urinating Brute, he's found on every level of difficulty, I chose just to stick him with a grenade. Spartansniper450 16:15, 20 May 2008

Changes
I fixed a little wordiness, and I'd like to call into question the Brutes religious qualities. Whoever edited the article to say they were none-believers has clearly not taken into account the cheiftan's devotion and blind loyalty to the Prophets. ProphetofTruth 04:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Culture
I cleared up the Culture section, expanding and clarifying it as well as sourcing it. Seriously, I don't even HAVE Contact Harvest and I could still source it! I changed that ridiculous statement about Brutes being non-believers because it is repeatedly stated that they are fanatics, and added some stuff about their society.  Kora ‘Morhek   The Battle-Net  My Conquests.  07:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

brute bones
near the end of flood gate when you go in the crashed flood ship there are some bones on the floor i thought they were elite bones but someone told me they were brute bones.i could get a pic if you want Haos master 04:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure.  Specops306 ,  Kora 'Morhek  21:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

They are Brute bones you can find them in Cortana too. Spartansniper450

Pronunciation
Until recently, I pronounced Jiralhanae with the J at the beginning. But in Halo 3, the new Elite type for some reason pronounces it with a Z at the beginning, as in "Ziralhanae". Should that be in the article?  Specops306 ,  Kora 'Morhek  21:04, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't remember any of the races referring to the Brutes by their Elite given names, although I do remember Sangheili being said. Where/when/how did you remember this happening? Gruntyking117 19:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

It was on The Covenant (Level), in the third tower after I'd finished off the Hunters. The same Elite also calls them Lekgolo - don't worry, that name at least is how we thought it would be. It was the newer Halo 3 Elite, not the David Scully Elite.  Specops306 ,  Kora 'Morhek  19:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

On that same level, they call the Drones by their Elite given name, Yanme'e. Though I've only noticed it on The Covenant. - Xenos  Dawn

Gravity
The gravity for Doisac was stated as 2.0g when the Halo 3 collectors edition book states it as 2.1g Halo destroyer2 10:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Weird Helmet Wearing Brute (With Fuel Rod)
Here's a pic I took. I was doing The Covenant under the Normal Difficulty. I went back and reviewed my run in the theatre and saw this Brute.

That is referred to as a War Chieftain they could rank higher than normal chieftains but thats not confirmed yet. Spartansniper450



Random Somthing
I'm not sure if anyone cares but the word in the trivia section written in Korean doesn't exactly mean "stupid crazy lunatic"...

How is it pronounced?
Jee-rul-hunee? Merda 11:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Jeh-Rehl-Ah-Nay 71.65.10.47 00:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Post-Covenant
I think it's a bit unlikely that the tattered UNSC destroyed the "remnants" of the Brutes. As far as we know, the Brute home-world is fully intact, and that alone is home to over 10 billion Brutes (completely outnumbering the humans). The most likely case scenario is that they "signed" some sort of armistice, at least speculatively speaking, which is the case. Will

It's also possible that the Elites decided to just glass their home-world and be done with it. Demonic Knight

i doubt any easy solution is taken to solve the conflict it would be bad for possible games down the road .its more likely that the civil war is still going and that the elites and brutes are still fighting. and the other races are split down the middle on their home worlds trying to side who to back .jakles are more like pirates I doubt they care to much but if they picked a side it would be the brutes. hunters are more loyal to elites based on culture and don’t seem to believe to deep into the religion of the covenant. the bugs I forget their name are loyal to the prophets seeing how they have a hive mind set. im assuming grunts will side with brutes out of fear and hate for elites at least in majority .im sure they humans are just out of the war because their preoccupied with each other have and needing fleet to protect each sides home worlds and fight each other. and having a crippled fleet at that.meaning they whont send masses of fleet far of to fight humans.

it says in the book harvest that it was against the rules of the covenant to give high level tech (specific not so quite high tech (also not completely done reading the book so this might change))to the brutes. Meaning they majority of their more sophisticated covenant tech was acquired during halo 2 .this was a precaution taken by the eliets and agreed upon by the prophets and high council. At least until they proved them self.. This means they would most likely be unable to build new tech unless the engineers helped them are they took the time to acquire and start reproducing the tech. (End of comment from unknown user).

(Start of new comment): The Jackles and Drones sided with the Brutes, there are Grunts and Hunters on both sides of the conflict. 210.49.203.8 05:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Jiralhanae means "asshole" in Korean.
Yup, that's it. Just thought I'd let you know. 71.65.10.47 00:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it means stupid lunatic in Korean...
 * P Invincible  General  Die! [[Image:Sentinel_Firing.jpg|28px]] 00:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Whatever. As far I know, the meaning is pretty much the same as far as swear words go. In any case, we know about Bungie's little joke. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 19:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Carriers of the Flame quote?
I don't remember ever hearing Tartarus say "We are the Chosen Carriers of the flame." Is it from the end-of-game battle? --  Councillor  Specops306  -  Kora   'Morhek  04:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Brute pics
I think the article can be better if someone were to put pics of all the ranks from all the games and put them on the article. Can not be me for I do not have an x-box and on the computer I have to play in safe mode. DilaBagomee

Editing
Please check out the last item in the Trivia section, as its statements have no reference indicated. Since I don't know if it's true or not, I left it there, correcting only a word. Felix-157 00:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

VANDALISM
I'd like to bring to the attention of moderators and admins that this page was recently vandalised by Pvt.Cheese. I have reverted the information to its prior state before tampering. A Monument to All Your Sins 14:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

9.2
Who put their height as 9.2? --Lord Lycan 06:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Dead Page
This page is dying, and there's nothing we can do about it! Lieutenant  Commander   Kouger masters  17:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Strange weapon spawn?
I was on theater and I saw a Battle Rifle fall out of adestroyed Banshee.I was on The Covenant at the time.

Halo Wars Brute
The Brute Chieftan picture from Halo wars looks kinda like an old Brute geezer. :P lolZ