Talk:San'Shyuum

prophet warriors?
Thought it was worth mentioning, but in the new manual scans I saw it mentioned that the Prophet race is dying out as a result of the infestation of high charity and their homeworld by a comet. I don't have the book, so someone else can cite it more directly. 70.57.116.20 07:33, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

At 5:26 on the HALO 2 deleted scenes on youtube the mural shows a picture of a prophet fighting a elite he's holding a sword and is about to stab him so this must mean that the prophets had there own warrior cast back when the elites and prophets were at war also if you notice on the mural the prophet seems to be standing up strait not slouched. User:Kami-SamaYeah, the Prophets used to be a militarized society. Mercy was one of the few Prophets who regretted their desicion to become peaceful, or however you'd say it. -- Dragonclaws(talk) 07:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC) they must of been good to combat the elites evenlly or so they say User:Kami-Sama

But i wonder how they actually held up since they r weak or maybe its just the prophets who waste away on anti grav chairs the majority of their lives Snorkel378 23:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)Snorkel378

Yeah I had a similar thought, because al the prophets seen in H2 are oldish but perhaps the younger ones stand up strait like the one in the murals or perhaps theres diffrent types of prophets or perhaps they evolved into the idle layabouts we are loost to seeing. User:Kami-Sama

I just think they managed to fight the Elites because of the Forerunner technology.

uh... BTW, the prophets used the Forerunner Dreadnaught to battle elites. A J  01:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The book Cryptum shows pre-historic prophet warriors. They looked, according to the book, muscular and handsome. This was what the prophets were known for. However, modern warrior prophets I would not know of.--Thijsbos 09:35, 12 March 2011 (EST)

Gravity Belt
Does this exist? -- Esemono 12:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * In Halo: The Flood it says on page 5 "He wore a red overrobe, a gold underrobe, and somewhere, hidden beneath all the fabric, an antigrav belt which served to keep his body suspended a full unit off the deck." And at the time it's talking about the prophet. --Keyes 07:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Prophet Name
I read somewhere that the Covenant name for the Prophets was Pirpilli or something --Keyes 07:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What's your source? --Dragonclaws(talk) 07:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Prophet Naming
we might need a different page for 'prophet naming'. This is because we might right down what some of them mean. ' ''Pity is an emotion, usually resulting from an encounter with an unfortunate, injured, or pathetic person or creature. A person experiencing pity will often take mercy on the person/creature, giving them aid or money. Many people pity the homeless, orphans, the terminally ill, and victims of rape and torture.' '' Thats about pity. It might show us on why they are called those names. - Forerunner


 * I think everyone fluent in English knows what Pity, Disdain, Mercy, Regret, Truth, and Supposition mean. Anyway, I don't see any reason for their names. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 02:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit
I heavily edited the article, but i forgot to leave in the pictures of Prophets in. If someone could re-add them, i, and probably the rest of the CoH]], would be grateful. Kora &#39;Morhekee 08:45, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Put it back in. never mind. i keep doing that - asking someone to help, and then doing it myself. Yes, it annoys me too. Kora &#39;Morhekee 03:19, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Lifespan
Just a question; How long do Prophets live anyway? I would think they live for a very very long time, because of what i've seen, but I'm not entirely certain.--117649AnnihilativeRepentance 03:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow. I never really thought about it. I suspect they live for about a hundred or more because by the time Mercy became part of the High Council, Truth and Regret weren't even born but it isn't a crime to guess that they have the average life span of a human. Kind of makes you wonder, huh? - 49_Harboring_Enmity 17:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I have way to tell how old a Prophet is compaired to other Prophets. Example: Truth has some medium length eye-brow hair and on his "ears," whereas Regret has very little ear hair and short eyebrows. Thus, Truth is older than Regret. This is, by no means, a way to tell their exact age. But its a cool way to tell if one prophet is older than another. Kap2310 19:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it says in the Beastarium that some Prophets had acheived bicentennary level [200 years]


 * yep. A J  01:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Endangered?
According to scans of the Beastarium, the Prophets are apparently an endangered species, with about 1,000 left of their kind. Can anyone with an early copy confirm this? -- Hunter-113 12:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Only a thousand left - yep, that's about right. And they're wiped out by the Sangheili fleet, apparently, at Delta Halo - so much for the Holy Prophets. Honour Light Your Way -  Kora ‘Morhek   The Battle-Net  My Conquests.  22:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I hope they don't become extinct.

Neither do I. They're pretty cool for conniving bastards. I wonder what happened to the other surviving Prophets after the end of the war. Probably hid themselves in shame or...something else. Sephirose October 16, 2007. 5:47 PM

Perhaps they kept some of the Covenant with them, still somehow making them believe that the Great Journey was true. I mean, as long as they have money, the Jackals are with them and the Brutes seem blindly loyal. -- Lordofmonsterisland "Roar to me"  22:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

The prophets would have died out as the civil war must have killed lots of them, and with the loss of High Charity to the flood and the elite quarantine, they would have died out by the end of 2552. -- Matt98 17 April 2010 17:17 (UTC)

What about the Prophets that stayed on the homeworld after their civil war? Shouldn't they still be alive? They would probably have primitive technology as they didn't tamper with forerunner tech. But they are still Prophets nonetheless. Just a thought.

Their homeworld was destroyed, read the article, says somewhere in there. -- DarkbelowHGR  CommbandD  23:57, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Prophets/ Humans
After fighting Regret, I examined some of the blood on the ground after the struggle. It was RED! My shields never failed in the battle, so it couldn't have been MC's. That leads me to conclude that perhaps Humans and Prophets are related in some way. -Karzhani 01:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Isn't blood colour related to the kinds of gasses creatures breath? So maybe they have an oxygen rich environment too. I think if the Prophets where related to humans/Forerunners they would be able to activate the rings themselves; but everytime they have needed a human.

Yes, it is caused by gases. A J  01:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, its not. Blood color is caused by the content of the blood. Blood is normally colorless when it is in the veins, but when it comes in contact with air, then it changes color. Human blood is red because human blood contains hemoglobin, which contains iron. Most known living things have red blood because they use hemoglobin, but a few creatures use hemocyanin, which is copper based and makes blood blue. So, while Grunts, Elites, and Jackals appear to have copper based blood, Prophets and humans, like most other mammals, have red iron based blood. All this to say, the same color of blood doesnt mean we are genetically related. -- E D  01:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up
A good bit of the Prophet's physiology was stated twice or more. I went ahead and cleaned that up, leaving that information under the relevant section.Legend 04:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Worms of treachery
San 'Shyuum (Latin Perfidia vermis[1], meaning "Worms of Treachery". that fits them quite well!-- Strider 6583 69398 19:38, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Did they know?
Did the Prophets know that the Halo's would kill them or when they found the Forerunners artifacts they just assumed that would happen?Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 21:18, December 27, 2009 (UTC)!!
 * Some speculate Truth may have known, this could have been his intensions for going to the Ark, but most of the loyal COvenant probably were not aware of the true purpose of the Halos. - TheLostJedi  17:21, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Prophet Form, actually canon?
The Halo Encyclopedia refers to them with this title, it seems that most of their information was looted from Halopedia. - TheLostJedi  17:21, December 31, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, we are the comprehensive source for Halo information! :P


 * It isn't exactly unprecedented. There's been a few things in Star Wars canon adopted from Wookieepedia - if its a popular name, and there's nothing else it can be called, why not? --  Administrator  Specops306  -   Qur'a 'Morhek   01:01, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Citation Needed?
Why do we need citation for the copied Forerunner tech bit in trivia, this is a widley known fact I thought. SpartanSeries2 21:44, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * To Halo fans, it is.... but not to general readers.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 21:50, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppsoe when I'm re-readind Contact Harvest I'll fish around for a direct refence to place here.. SpartanSeries2 07:32, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Big Shrimp?
I recently noticed that prophets are about 7 feet tall... How?~ Kuhgrok 'Anthormee    01:55, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

If they do live in a low-g environment, they are able to grow taller.Ketsumaye 02:23, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * They don't look it, but we've only compared them to the Elites and Brutes they surround themselves with, both races much taller, plus the double facts that a good amount of that height is their serpentine necks, and they hunch over. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   21:20, 5 January 2012 (EST)

San'Shyuum or San 'Shyuum?
Is there a space between San and  'Shyuum? The article and its title don't agree with one another. -- Monitor Chakas ('''Talk 12:58, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
 * There's not supposed to be a space (I couldn't find a piece of media where there is one). I moved the pages to their current, space-less form a while ago, but the spelling "San 'Shyuum" is still all over the place.--Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 13:26, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
 * The last time I remember the space being added in "San'Shyuum" was in a short story from Halo: Evolutions. Other than that, no space has been added to the name. Because the change was made relatively recently, it may be a while before you notice the "San 'Shyuum" spelling disappear. Similarly, "Kig-Yar" is occasionally rendered "Kig-yar" on older, outdated articles. - NightHammer (talk) 20:16, 12 July 2014 (EDT)
 * Ok thanks guys, I'll keep an eye out for them. I'm working on the timeline at the moment so I wanted to make sure everything was correct. -- Monitor Chakas ('''<font color="Grey">Talk 10:06, 13 July 2014 (EDT)

New Main Image
Suggesting a new main image for the Prophets. Any suggestions anybody?262VigilantGuardian (talk) 20:45, 14 November 2014 (EST)


 * How about one of the Prophet of Regret or the High Councilors? - NightHammer (talk) 20:48, 14 November 2014 (EST)


 * That one of Regret did come to me, that's a good one. But maybe a full shot of Truth, the highest-ranked Prophet? Think that makes sense or is a minor thing for this? And if we don't have one, we could use Regret's perhaps.262VigilantGuardian (talk) 20:56, 14 November 2014 (EST)


 * Given that we usually tend to use full-body images/renders for species articles, I would go for Regret.Imrane-117 (talk) 21:09, 14 November 2014 (EST)


 * So I guess we're agreed that that's the most appropriate image to use for the present time?262VigilantGuardian (talk) 21:48, 14 November 2014 (EST)

Character renames
Given that the full titles of the Hierarchs would be the "High Prophet of Truth" or the "High Prophet of Regret", for example, perhaps we should rename the articles to such to reflect their full titles. Similarly, the Prophet of Stewardship would be renamed the "Minor Prophet of Stewardship". The titles of "High Prophet" and "Minor Prophet" exist to distinguish them from "normal" Prophets, so I just think they should be renamed to reflect that. -- NightHammer (talk)(contribs) 13:03, 20 March 2017 (EDT)


 * They are more accurate, though I internally cringe at any change to make titles longer/more complex. We don't see the "High" or "Minor" parts being used very commonly, so one could argue this can be regarded as a case similar to most weapon/vehicle names (or, for that matter, character middle names) where only the more common name is used in the article title while the full one is listed in the introduction. --Jugus (talk) 14:58, 21 March 2017 (EDT)

Height
It would appear as though the height is wrong. Even if it's from an official source, it contradicts their height in-game, which is 9'10" in their throne:

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And they're about the same height as Lord Hood out of it, at least when slouching (I think their full height dethroned would be about what is presented in the article, however): image link

--Abbazorkzog (talk) 14:49, April 7, 2021 (EDT)


 * Game scale is generally unreliable, and we don't accept the Loftus scalecharts for this reason (as amazing work as they are). If a canon in-universe source specifies different from game models, we will generally always take canon over unreliable games stuff.BaconShelf - The Inners Will Never See Them Coming (talk) 14:53, April 7, 2021 (EDT)