Talk:Seven

Guidelines on adding "Seven" References to the Article
In order to keep the list relevant, please refer to the following guidelines:


 * 1) No seven character words/phrases.
 * 2) Subject must directly relate to Halo.
 * 3) Numbers cannot just merely contain 7 as a digit. (e.g. no 17).
 * 4) If numbers are to be placed into equations, the operations are to be kept consistent. (e.g. no 1+2+8-1+6-9=7).
 * 5) No fan fiction, including machinima such as Red vs Blue.

False! (again)
I was cleaning up this page and then I saw this:
 * On the multiplayer level "Sidewinder" there are a total of 7 trees.

I checked it out both on Halo pc and Halo for Xbox. I counted a total of 9 trees. Please people, stop posting this fake references. It is not funny! Black Katana 11:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

a possible reference
according to the Halo 2 credits, "Blow me Away" was published by Seven Peaks Records. the song was used ingame, but I still want to know if it should go in this list. The wraith 16:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

also if you go to myspace and type in bungie there are seven pages of people with that name

this is retarded

Primary List
Would it be possible to make a short compilation of primary seven references that are fairly evident or possibly slightly abstract references obviously intended by Bungie, or would this get too convoluted to be useful. If it were made, it could list the following: Bungie's fan club is the 7th Column, there are 7 Halos, and the numbers of the monitors (343 and 2401) are powers of seven. 343=74 and 2401=75 Chris3145 00:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Intelligent
Who ever are the people(s) that made this page are very intelligent in my perspective. PROPS =].

Yeah. Very VERY nice job.

thanks its one of my favorite hobbies user:gil demoono

Red vs Blue
I object to Red vs Blue being included here because it is not Bungie, and I don't believe Rooster Teeth uses the seven thing like Bungie does. --Dragonclaws(talk) 18:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. -ED 22:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

A Useless Message from Nobody^
Hey, the bible has lots of 7 references too. =]

No seem s to be e verywhere  Noone to talk to +  Nothing here  +  False Character


 * Yeah, that's probably where it came from. --Dragonclaws(talk) 02:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I Object to alot of these
They seem to be reaching alot, like the "Rule of Three" for the Halo 3 beta testing? Thats extremely reaching, 3+3+3-3+1? Comeon, you could find seven references in everything, but the whole idea is to search out references put in by Bungie, not to test your imagination to see how far flung of re fences you can conjure up.

actually the rules says to find seven references put in whether on purpose or not..

Stretches
Most of these entries seem to be simply people actually LOOKING for the number 7, not stumbling across it. Face it, you can take ANY number and formulate it in some way to get a different number. Honestly, I think all of the stupid math equations should be removed.


 * I think that the addition-based numbers were probably intended, but not the "add this, then multiply, then subtract," which as you say can be turned around any which way to fit the objective. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 22:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Exactly what I was thinking.

Unless someone finds some brilliant math equation including only sevens and or something similar that relates to seven, and everyone can see why the WHOLE EQUATION relates to seven, and it's not just some random thing in order to find out how you get to seven with the numbers given to you, then I completely agree with you. Stupid equations are just... stupid.

--Jaeryd 11:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

No More 7?
If Bungie isn't making Halo games after halo 3, other game developers like Ensemble Studios might not use seven the way Bungie does, or at all. is the end of seven near? The  Lieutenant   General  16:08, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

namco could make a halo game and bungie would make sure that there are seven references okay. also bungie puts seven refereneces in all there games halo or not. user:gil demoono

I don't think so.
I seriously doubt that Bungie purposefully included the number 7 in about 75% of those facts, and most are merely coincidental. I mean, why would you go out of your way to add 7 to absolutely everything?

I agree completly. atleast 75% of this article should be delteted.

'''Really? 75 percent?'''

Well.. that's retarted. Bungie HAS been known to put seven in a lot of things. Maybe it's their genius that allows them to do this? But I have a different theory. Maybe, when they don't know what number to put, or they don't know how many of such and such to put in, they use the number 7, or 7*X, or 7 to the power of X. They have been known to do such things. Besides, why would you delete 75% of the article? It's not like you know which ones Bungie intended and which ones they didn't. Only Bungie knows. So I suppose this article is about theoretical 7 references. So just deal with the information you see here, and only delete it if it's stupid or impossible, or impossibly stupid. Because it's all legitimate information. --Jaeryd 11:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

order
are the topics supposed to be in chronological order? The  Lieutenant   General  00:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

definately if you dont your account get deleted... No sorry they dont have to be in chronological order.

overuse of 7
"Halo: The Fall Of Reach is the prequel to Halo: Combat Evolved. Prequel is a 7 letter word."

That has almost nothing to do with the halo series. It's like saying my friends like halo, and friends is a 7 letter word.

I think we should maybe cut down on some of the more random entries. At least maybe that one :)

I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks this. I mean seriously, I doubt even half of this is true. Look at this "fact" from GoO. Ghosts starts with a G which is the seventh letter in the alphabet.

People are SERIOUSLY, and I mean SERIOUSLY looking too deep into this. AlphaPrime 02:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Take out all the seven-characters... I mean, every time you get a seven-character word its a reference? every time a sentence has 7 words? every paragraph with 7 sentences? Draw the line somewhere, please


 * Agreed. Cheers, [[Image:John010117.jpg|14px]] John010117[Covenant of Halopedia] 00:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

And these...
(Page 21) Dr. Halsey and Jacob Keyes go to the Education Facility No. 119. 1+1=2 9-2=7.

(Page 336) Cortana matches up her charts to 86.2 percent. 8 + 6 + 2 + 16, and 1+6+7

"Spartan" is a seven-letter word. "Arbiter" is a seven-letter word. "MJOLNIR" is a seven-letter word. "Cortana" is a seven-letter word. "Beowulf" is a seven-letter word. "Warthog" is a seven-letter word. "Pelican" is a seven-letter word. "Elysium" is a seven-letter word. "Chi Ceti" is a seven-letter phrase. "Harvest" is a seven-letter word. "Johnson" is a seven-letter name.

Anyone agree that these are probably unrelated?


 * Yeah, I agree about the seven letter/character words/phrases. Also I would say that the adding and/or subtracting and/or multiplying and/or dividing formula is useless becuse it can be turned around any way you like until the pieces fit, but the "just adding numbers" trick I think is intentional at least sometimes. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 09:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Guidelines
Can we decide on some guidelines for the list? I was thinking:


 * 1) No seven character words/phrases.
 * 2) Subject must be directly related to Halo.
 * 3) If numbers are to be placed into equations, they must be done so consistantly. (e.g. no 1+2+8-1+6-9=7)
 * 4) No fanfiction, including machinima such as Red vs Blue.

Anything else? -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 18:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * While it doesn't seem like a problem, I think adding a max number of times to do any operation should be added. If after two mathematical operations, you do not have a seven reference, it shouldn't be added. I think that is somewhat fair, though I really think one operation should be the rule... XRoadToDawnX 18:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Taking Out The Trash
I got rid of any "7" references I saw that were irrelavent (26 of them). I left a lot of the seven-letter-words facts because most of them were created by Bungie ("Huragok", "Lekgolo", etc.). If anybody cares enough to replace any I deleted, or thinks a fact IS relevant, here is a list of everything deleted.

Halo: The Fall of Reach
 * The first word in the book was "Contact." said by the Chief. Contact is 7 letters long.
 * The Master Chief followed the blood foot prints from the Jackals body and saw another wing open up and on the arch the word GEOLOGY carved on it. Geology is a 7 letter word.
 * (Page 148) Commander Keyes said "Rotate Launch ARC's one eight zero degrees." 8-1=7.
 * (Page 145) The UNSC Frigates, Alliance and Gettysburg are mentioned in the same sentence. The numbers in there names together is 18. 8-1=7.
 * (Page 142) Keyes told Jaggers "Bring us about to course, zero four seven.
 * The date of the Journal on page 141 is 97, 2540. Add 97 with 2540 it equals 2637. Those numbers added together are 18. 8-1=7.
 * Page 129-130. The times that were shown in the book from the warhead's were 2:35, 1:05, 0:33, 0:12 and 0:00.add all the numbers you get 3:85. Add 3,8 & 5. You get the sum of 16 and add that it's 7.
 * Octanus from Sigma Octanus is a 7 letter word.
 * Page 71 says on paragraph 6 first sentence is naming the monitors marked Motion, Infrared, Doppler and Passive. Motion is a 6 letter word, Infrared is 8, Doppler is 7 passive is 7. Add the number you get 28. 7+7+7+7 or 7x4.
 * The books story texts end at page 340. 3+4+0=7.
 * (Page 21) Dr. Halsey and Jacob Keyes go to the Education Facility No. 119. 1+1=2 9-2=7.
 * Cortana comandeers COMSat 419 ($$4 + 1 + 9 = 14$$ or $$7 x 2$$) during the test of the MJOLNIR Mark V armor.
 * (Page 336) Cortana matches up her charts to 86.2 percent. $$8+6+2=16$$ and $$1+6=7$$
 * Pillar of Autumn is 14 letters long. $$7 + 7 = 14$$.

Halo: Combat Evolved & Halo: The Flood
 * In the game normal slayer is up to 25 points. 2+5=7.
 * Guilty in 343 Guilty Spark is a 6 letter word. Spark is a 5 letter word. Add those to numbers you get 11. you add 3+4+3 you get 10. 10+11=21. Which is equal to 7+7+7 or 7x3.
 * The Evolved in Halo: Combat Evolved is a seven letter word.
 * (Page 57) Cortana's subroutine tells Keyes that the Autumns operational readiness stands at 8.7'%.
 * The word Hunters has seven letters. Though you may think this does not count, as it is a plural - Hunters always hunt in pairs.

Halo: Ghosts of Onyx
 * Ghosts starts with a G which is the seventh letter in the alphabet.

Halo 2
 * Nickname for Rtas 'Vadumee is Half Jaw. Half Jaw is a 7 letter phrase. - The name "Half Jaw" is not Halo cannon, but is in fact a fan name for this character. (7 letters is purely coincidence)
 * "Heretic" is a seven-letter word.
 * Orbital From Orbital Drop Shock Trooper is a seven letter word.
 * Trooper From Orbital Drop Shock Trooper has seven letters.

Halo 3
 * To participate on the Halo 3 Beta, using the way of the "Rule of the Three", only the 13,333 players to do this first can access to the beta: $$3+3+3=9-3=6+1=7$$
 * One of Halo 3`s rumored release dates is 7/7/07.

I hope my work helps Halo fans everywhere. Or just couple Halopedians, anyway. -Fbimunky 21:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think I shall join you. I am taking out the 360 degrees in a cirle one and removing the "Dervish" part because bungie didn't use it. Not Now John 09:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

there is a problem under the 7 references in halo 3. it says master chief has 2 balls and has sex 5 times. i can't get rid of it. can someone else do that? thx-Feralwolf

More editing
I have removed a few more which i judge to be total coincidences -


 * Halo is a four letter word. When added to the three, $$4+3=7$$
 * Shrapnel from the Type 2 reaches a temperature of approximately 270 to 315ºC and retains that heat for upwards of seven seconds.
 * Bungie might have gotten the word Ark from the Bible's story "Noah's Ark" which is located in chapter 7 of the bible.

I'm pretty sure the story of the ark wasnt chosen because its in chapter 7...

hey, the noah's ark was built to protect life from the flood (water). earth's (?) ark was built to protect the reclaimers (humans?) from the flood (mindless alien killing machines). get it? ark - flood The Ark - The Flood Fbimunky 23:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC) To paragraph above mine: Wow. You're completely right. You friggin' owned the comment starter, lol.

The number seven has been special since the begining of time  god made the world in 6 days and rested on the seventh   and in the battle of Jericho joshua brought down the walls by cicling the city seven times (has nothing to do with halo  but seven has been a famous number FOREVER)

Hall not Hikowa
I am going to change the references to Lt. hikowa to Hall. Hikowa doesn't have any 7 things related to her. Not Now John 09:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Letters is 7 letters long...
But that doesn't mean jack. most names that have 7 letters are not on purpose. I have removed all of the "blank is 7 letters long" items. they are useless.

It should be noted that Master Chief's armor is not Mark VII in Halo 3. -just a guest

I have heard before that there are seven Halos. - Just another guest.

found a new one!
this one was quite hidden.. On the oracle level, when you cut the cables, the first one takes 3 energy sword strikes, the second one 13, and the last one 9, no matter what order. When you add these together, you get 25, which is 2+5=7. Woot for me x)--Dandaman879 04:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ehm..No? It matters where you hit the cable. Black Katana 19:05, 06 July 2008 (UTC)

Redundancy
I've noticed some facts are written twice, most are even within a couple facts of each other, almost like someone didn't read the full list before adding theirs. Also, some make more sense than others, while some are more simplistic and less detailed. 72.129.50.221 06:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Added Crow's Nest rocket reference.

Just asking
Guys, is there a purpose of putting up these "7"s? ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 11:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You're talking about why we have this article, right? I think it's either part of our inclusionist policy or we have to much time on our hands. Until next time, respect them Grunts. This is M  ø  u  s  e, squeaking out! 12:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I just think it would be some kind of joke Bungie is putting up on the Halo Series, I'm merely suggesting moving it to the Bungie wikia ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 02:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

First Strike Reference to 7
While reading "First Strike", I found one reference I think was left out. In around the middle of the book, I found that there were seven Wraiths destroyed. I don't remember what page it was on, Im just a kid

16:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC) MasterPikachu

Armor changes
The Spartans have 7 full body changes Mark VI, Scout, Hayabusa, E.V.A, C.Q.B, and E.O.D keep in mind that Recon isn't available to everyone. Also security doesn't count because as you can tell that has no main chest plate.

BR55 Battle Rifle
Under the "Halo 2" heading:

"The BR55 is another seven. B and R are the second and eighteenth letters, respectively. 2+18=20 20/5=4. 55/5=11. 11-4=7."


 * What is this? Just randomly adding, subtracting, and dividing numbers until you get a 7? This is stupid and I am removing it.

found one,i think
i think i found a 7 refrence in the memorial cutscene in halo 3,i wanted to see how many marines where give the gun salute,and i think i counted 7 troops(a 7 gun salute) Voy101


 * A 21-gun salute is a typical military ritual, though, and the battle rifle fires three-burst shots. Anyway, we've already got that down, I think. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 16:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

it's not there Voy101

Halo 3 Section has an incorrect item.
Quoted from Halo 3 section:

"There are 7 different types of Covenant vehicles: Ghost, Banshee, Wraith, Phantom, Shade, Scarab, and Chopper."

Where's the Prowler? That would make 8.

Itriphus 03:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

For Halo 3 recon:

The captain commands a squad of 14. 14/2=7.

There's no reason to divide it by two. Why would you even do that? That's changing the number on your own.

Sigma Octanus IV
Sigma(18 letter in Greek Alphabet)-Octanus(7 letters long)-IV(4 in Roman Numerals)=7! Where'd your head go?_Spartan-T011 19:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Halo 2 E3
I just watched the video a few times, there are only 5 jackals not 7, so I edited the page.

Rediculous usage of 7
I don't really think this can be considered a reference to the number 7:

'While Jacob Keyes was still in UNSC OCS, he was in a slipstream incident caused by his CO where 14 ensigns where killed. 14 divided by 2 equals 7'

If a reference is that vague or untangible surely it should be discounted, otherwise I am connected to a dog on the other side of the world because we're both on Earth.

The Pope in 117 CE was not John
The article states that a theory for the name John-117 was that Pope John I began serving his office in 117, which is far from the truth (several hundred years off). There was however a Pope, Sixtus I, who was appointed in approximately 117, and happened to be the 7th pope of the Catholic Church. I think it would be a much more factual and relevant relation to the number 7 to mention this, even if the name isn't relevant.

You missed a 7!
The 7 you missed is in the actual date Halo 3 was released, you only have 2+5... Here is what it should say September 25, 2007(Sept.=9 month) 9-25-2007/9-2=7 5+2=7 7

GT: I EXi13 I

This is ridiculous
"At one point in the opening where the Arbiter is branded, you see the back of 3 cheering hunters. Based on normal Hunter behavior there should be 4. 4+3=7"

What the fuck is that supposed to be?! These aren't seven references. This is people finding patterns in random data. YES, there are a lot of seven references, but this stupid shit like "35 Halo levels, OH IT'S A MULTIPLE OF SEVEN" is ridiculous.

This is the reason I don't trust Halopedia at all.

GT: Trandom Kaggus

I agree, whoever made this page has mental problems similiar to those of Jim Carrey's character in 23.--86.87.28.191 15:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm willing to grant that things like there being seven letters in SPARTAN and Cortana are deliberate. And obviously the fact that there are seven halos is deliberate. But at least 65% of these are just ridiculous. I mean, seven letters in Lekgolo? If ALL the Covenant names were seven letters, then yes, that would be important, but as it is, Hunters are kind of inconsequential characters. And like... "After firing 3 shotgun shells, it takes 4 seconds to reload and ready it. 3+4=7". NO. NEVER. 75.107.61.178 21:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If you believe it does not deserve inclusion, simply remove it. If its valid, I dare say someone will eventually re-add it again. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a  'Morhek  21:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

the 7 people in the 21 gun salute
$$Insert formula here$$

That doesn't have anything to do with Bungie's addiction to 7. That's how it is at all military,police,or firefighters funeral. It is a 21 gun salute because it is 7 people shooting 3 shots each, no coincidence. You just saw 7 and thought Bungie put it in there just for you to find. I mean if the military gave Master Chief a whole memorial for his service and death and what he did, yea I'm sure they would give him the 21 gun salute. Oh yea i know all this cause I am on the Honor Guard at a military school. So the "Seven Marines fire their Battle Rifles in the air in the ceremony at the end of Halo 3." part should be erased.

Although Bungie didn't make the 21 gun salute, there's no way of telling whether they put it in their because of their favourite number, or whether it's coincidence.  Ti ger rr rr 23:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Halo wars demo
What about this. Halo wars demo released 5/02/2009. 5+2=7 Halo wars released 27/02/2009. 2+7-2=7 --91.111.32.133 18:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Without further knowledge that is just a coincidence. Honor Guard  Spartansniper  4  50  19:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not good to mix operations. You can get any number you want from a batch of numbers if you work hard enough and have perfect freedom. I do think there are numbers that are a reference when added together, but mixing subtraction in there seems over the top to me and liable to pick up stuff that are not real references. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 19:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

ok--91.111.32.228 19:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Mythic map and 30 new achievements
Bungie only lets you do the first 10 new achievements of halo 3.(30-10=20)When the first 3 new Mythic maps come out you can do 13 more of the new achievements.(20-13=7).So when the last 3 Mythic maps come out you can do the last 7 new achievements of halo 3.

Halo Wars date
Halo Wars comes out on March 3rd. March is the 3 month and Halo Wars comes out on the 3rd day. (3+3=6)Also, Halo Wars is the first game of it's kind. (6+1=7)

Halo 3 Maps
There are 6 maps still due to come out. There are 27 maps all togather but only 3 diffrent variants (Sand Tarp, Boundless, and Epithap) 27 divided by 3 = 9. But 3 divided by 3 = 1. 6 new maps plus the 1 = 7. Then 7 + 9 = 16. There're 2 numbers in 16 so 16 divided by 2 = 8. There is only one number in 8 so 8 - 1 = 7.


 * Idiocy is the only word I can come up with...- <font color="#FF4F00">5 ub<font color="#FF4F00">7 ank (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 13:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Pareidolia is nicer. --<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c laws (<font color="#4D56B1">talk ) 03:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ensable Studios 7 references
Should we mention any seven references in past Ensable games? Drsdino 04:12, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Year
The article already mentions 2+5+5+2=14, and 14/2=7. But, 25+52=77. That's two sevens.Capt. frank 04:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Coincidental
Is it possible that many of these are not real references placed by Bingie, but rather coincidental? I mean, some of them, like the IWHBYD one (16 syllables; 6+1=7) are kind of complicated. BPL 15:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

My friend, I couldn't agree with you more. It seems as though every blasted page has some kind of "7 reference" that is broken down into such a convoluted mathamatical argument that it just has to be a coincidence. But the problem is that most people don't think so. Most editors see a number and think of every possible mathamatical operation they can do to make that number equal "7". It's insane. I'd venture to say that 75% of the number-inclusive articles on Halopedia include something like this: It's just embarrasing how many alleged 7 refernces are explained this way. I try to remove any that just seem completely incredulous ("Phantom" having 7 letters must be a 7 reference!) but inevitably, someone puts it back up. Flag-Waving American Patriot 01:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The service number of Marine John Holliday, 49-JH-3056, is possibly another of Bungie's infamous 7 references: (3+0+5+6 / 10-8(H and J) = 2 2nd root of 49 =7).

I was thinking the exact same thing. Some things, I think, should be put up because of the references. The Asian character engraved on the Halo 1 pistol being the equivalent of 7, Commander Keyes's 7-shaped scar on her cheek, Guilty Spark and the other monitors' numbers being powers of 7 and whatnot, there are seven Halo rings, and some other things. Though, most of the things on this page are absolute crud, to put it lightly. "Warthog", "SPARTAN", "Cortana", "Arbiter", "Evolved" and "Phantom" all have seven letters in them! Halo 3: ODST has seven syllables in the title (Hay-loh Three Oh-Dee-Ess-Tee)! Fourteen ensigns were killed in a slipspace accident, and 14 divided by 2 is 7! It takes seven needles from a Needler to cause an explosion! On page seven of this book, a SPARTAN uses something with a designation of "7"! There are currently seven Halo games!

Seriously, most of those are coincidences. Do you honestly think that a company would design their game and universe that heavily around making references to a single number? The Human brain sees what it wants to see. I'm ashamed that Halopedia has an article this pointless and speculative, especially when so many things on this page are obviously only coincidences. 00:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)