Talk:List of references to religion in the Halo series

The Qur'an
Many of these references in the page could be from the Qur'an or the Torah also, I suggest we rename it to "List of Abrahamic religion references" instead of Biblical references. Baryon15 22:03, 29 July 2009 (UTC))


 * I've renamed the page again - "the three religions of abraham" doesn't flow well, and there's more than just the Abrahamic Religion that has been referenced - we have zen and buddhism being referenced as well, and the new title is more inclusive. --  Administrator  Specops306  -  Qur'a 'Morhek   Honour Light Your Way!  00:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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Is the inclusion of RedvsBlue's Church needed? I mean, redvsblue isn't exactly story-related to Halo, rather, more of something based on Halo, so should we leave this reference in, or as I see it, exclude in due in part being not part of the Haloverse, but rather, an extension of it.


 * Agreed. RvB is not even remotely Halo canon. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 18:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Jesus
Not sure how to stick it in the article, but there is a direct reference to Jesus in FS, pg. 22: "I don't care if you're a Spartan or Jesus Christ walking down the Big Horn River -- I am giving you a direct order." --Dragonc laws (talk ) 09:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Prophets
The only prophets to be on Earth where truth and regret,but the article has links to mercy and regret Voy101

Master Chief
The bit with John1:17 needs to be rewritten. The writer says that John1:17, which talks about Jesus, is less likely to be linked to MC, yet a few lines down the writer says that it is easy to relate Jesus and MC. The line in the Bible says Jesus brought grace and truth. Did MC not bring truth to humans and Elites when he revealed that the Halos are a weapon that would wipe out all living beings? Did MC not bring grace when he saved the lives of soldiers?

I think the first part of the verse, about the Mosaic law, could also relate to Halo. As it says in the article, the ten law was carried in the ark of the covenant. In halo, the ark and the halos, if activated would kill every life form in the galaxy. This could relate to the biblical idea (found in the book of Romans, for example), that every human has sinned (or broken God's law) and therefore deserve death, but because Jesus paid the price of our sins in our place, our sins can be forgiven. This is another parallel between MC and Jesus, because the chief stopped the halos from being activated and saved everyone from death.

John-117 part
Not entirely sure what to say about that. I am Catholic (not CRAZY but I know enough to get by). But your mearly looking for a way to prove there is biblical refrence. If you looked in, almost any other part of the bible you can probably find somthing to refrence off of. Because it is always talking about The Begining and The End.

Chi Rho and Cairo
I don't know for sure because I am not an expert, but it seems to me that Cairo may be derived from the Greek letters Chi(X) and Rho(P) which when combined formed the Greek word for Christ. This would make the Cairo Station a sort of savior since Christ means savior. It makes since to me that the Cairo would survive whilst the Athens and The Malta would be destroyed, because the cities of Athens and Malta were primarily pagan cities. You could even take it further by taking note that Athens and Malta had at one point in history been recipients of God's covenant but fell away and were destroyed, whereas The Christ or Cairo remained faithful and was blessed with eternal life.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this? if so e-mail me.

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 * Cairo is not derived from Greek letters. During the period when Greek and Roman cultures were heavily invested in Egypt the area now known as Cairo was called al-Manṣūriyyah. It's name was changed in 973 AD to al-Qahira meaning The Victorious, in reference to the Caliph who had just moved his Capital to Cairo. Cairo is an Anglicized pronunciation of the original Arabic pronunciation. A more likely (and non religious) reason for the names of the three known stations is that they are all icons of Mediterranean area Architecture and culture. --Spamhammer 14:11, November 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Interestingly enough, I believe Chi Rho is a UNSC colony.
 * Also, there was the Knight of Malta which is a Christian order of knights who had their base on Malta.


 * The space stations orbiting above Earth are so named because they maintain geosynchronis orbit above those cities e.g Cairo orbits above Cairo. I don't think the name of Cairo Station is a religous reference.                                                                               iamapersonguy:9/7/11

Merge of Norse and Greek Pages
Honestly, I don't think those pages should be merged into this one. This page has to do more with the Bible and Torah, maybe they could be merged into a page called "Mythology". Captain Fat Hobo Guy  File:Captain Grade One.png Talk To Me 
 * -They should all be on the "Mythology" page. Since they're all pretty much that.--Hotdamnitsaaron 02:57, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * mythology =\= religion Asdf1239 04:22, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, no. Wikipedia it, and stop making stupid edits. 118, Knave-basher General
 * As a Norse Pagan, I would actually be in favor of merging all spiritual/religious/mythological references together. HOwever, as I said on the Norse References page, I feel that all of it - the Judeo-Christian references included - should be put under the umbrella of "Mythological References". One persons religion is another person's mythology, and it's unfair to label one as "religion" because it's popular and the other "myth" because it's a minority. We should also only put in the things that are solid and evident; none of this "Tsavo Highway might be a reference to the highway mentioned that one time in Revelation!"Ocean Soul (talk) 21:41, 3 November 2015 (EST)

The word "myth" by definition isn't necessarily meaning something is false, only one of it's definitions indicates this. However in context of "mythology", every religion contains myths but being a myth does not mean that they are false. It's entirely possible for something to be a myth yet actually true. Also, whether something is solid or evident is fairly subjective and arguable. Tsavo Highway is in my view a perfectly acceptable entry, it isn't 100% confirmed definite, but it does not have to be. --PrayingSeraph (talk) 13:04, 22 December 2015 (EST)

The last comment
The last part of the page says that God summoned an angel to guard the garden. Last time I read that passage, it said that God summoned several flaming guards. Which is it? Has anyone got a bible near them that they can reference? ~ Know You Know, ~  That Flattery Will Get You Nowhere. ~ 11:00, October 26, 2009 (UTC)Blade bane

The NIV says it this way: "After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life." The reference is Gen 3:24

Tenuous Connections at Best
I don't know if this is really the right place to put this, but isn't finding religious connections in video games sort of pointless. It's like the people who find the Virgin Mary in a grilled cheese sandwitch. I'd rather eat the sandwitch than pray to it, and it's the same with video games. Can you find specific parallels between, Judeo-Christian Philosophy and Halo? Sure, but then you can find connections between God and pretty much anything, if you try hard enough. Reading through the text of the article, most of the connections are questionable when you look beyond the specific passage at entire readings. By connecting specific passages, the meaning of the stories within the text is diminished or lost, corrupting the true nature of the readings. Also taking what is quantifiably a resonable and logical connection to the name of something and attaching a religious connotation to the moniker is arguably ridiculous. If you want to connect Halo to religion, specifically Judeo-Christian Philosophy a greater understanding of the meaning behind the text is required, not merely a plain connection within the surface of the writings. A little research never killed anyone, so before you add some assinine and poorly derived connection, look it up, or ask someone who understands the Bible/Torah/Qur'an. And No, I'm not an Athiest, I just can't stand bad analogies. --Spamhammer 16:16, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Why not? Halo Wikia is about collecting all the information about Halo, just like Wikipedia is about all general information. In my opinion this is relevant to Halo and deserves to stay.


 * I'm religious (well, recently turned religious, so correct me if I'm wrong here), and I find it odd that these connections are even mentioned. They seem to have no relations to the Bible at all. Though, it's obvious that there are a lot of Christianity references in Bungie's games, not just Halo. As for the mythology sections... isn't it odd to say "OMG, they're referencing something that is referenced so much it's common sense to notice it." I mean that for the Norse Mythology section. But that's just me. 98.198.83.12 03:11, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * What "common sense" references did you have in mind?--Ocean Soul (talk) 23:07, 8 March 2016 (EST)

Gravemind is Gabriel from Quran
When Gabriel speaked to Muhammed (in case he did and Muhammed was not lying) he speak in rhymes and there is a buzzing in the background. Remember the cutscene in Halo 2 when Gravemind speaks to Chief and Arbiter there is a strange buzzing in the backround an he speaks in rhymes. Do you remeber the time when the arbiter was called Derwish by Bungie?...dont know my IP
 * Bungie loves using religious references in their games as they provide those enigmatic characteristics. To sign your post, just add -  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 23:08, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add it to the page, my english spelling is too worse for doing it myself.

John 1:17
The quote being claimed as John 1:17 is Revelation 1:17

John 1:17 actually goes, "From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."


 * Well, technically Revelations is the Book of John, which is where the connection comes in. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 22:44, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Different Theory
I don't mean to offend anyone, we all know religion and the internet don't mix very well, but this article seems a little bias to me. The section that puts different factions representing different things (God = Forerunners, etc.) always puts the Christians as the humans and good guys; there are a lot of different religions referenced in the Halo universe. Now, we know at least a few humans are religious (Dutch), but for the most part it's an non-subject around the humans. I think this is mostly because if the humans were religious too it would make the Covenant seem less crazy and scary by comparison. I always thought of the Covenant as representing religion, all religion, belief in a God or Gods and everything that goes with that. I also think that Christianity (to be specific) in the Halo universe is just as much a misunderstanding of the Forerunners and history as the Covenant's religion. There are obvious things that seem Christian in the Halo universe because in the universe Christianty was formed from the ancient stories of the Forerunners. We learned in Halo: Cryptum that humans were a space capable race, and allies of the (later) Prophets, before the Flood attacked the galaxy, we fought and beat them and developed a cure, but we were also fighting the Forerunners. The Forerunners won and de-evolved the humans back to about the cave man era, but in one last act of spite the humans destroyed the cure to the Flood, and not too long after the Forerunner-Flood war began and we all know how that ended. So the humans would have these stories and legends about the Foreeunners, about space ships, the Flood, the Ark, and all this other stuff from before the Halos were activated. After the few humans were put back on Earth these stories and legends became more and more distant, and (like Telephone) more and more different. The early humans didn't get the concept of aliens, space ships, and all the advanced technology, so the Flood in the stories became a real flood, the Ark became a boat that carried Earth animals, because that's what these early people could understand. All the other smaller details would naturally fall into place. Out of all this these religions were eventually formed. It's not perfect, and I'm not good at explaining it, but it makes enough sense to understand my point. Once again, not tryin' to offend anyone, this is just how I see it. Alex T Snow 08:21, 10 April 2011 (EDT) the parts that with bible verses don't seem to have much to do with the plots of the game butthead4

Possible
Wouldn't it be better to name this page List of possible references to religion in the Halo series because we are not sure if some of these are references to religion and they could easily be based on something else, just my thoughts. Alertfiend - Team Chief 05:01, 4 January 2016 (EST)

Clean Up
I think the first thing to decide whether the headings should center religions being referenced or subjects related to references? That is, do we list The Ark and then discuss its relevance to Abrahamic religions or list Abrahamic religions and then note The Ark's relevance in them? The next step would probably be to work out the hierarchy of the headings.

Next, I think, would be to identify confirmed references and list those in center focus while letting speculation drift to the bottom. Bungie/343i don't confirm everything, letting speculation be a big appeal of the series, so I don't think speculation in and of itself is problematic, but it probably should be relegated to a lesser focus. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 16:23, 25 September 2018 (EDT)


 * Yeah. This is a pretty messy page, and a lot of the "references" are on extremely shaky grounds. I don't really have any decent suggestions other than some pretty sizable cleanup all over the place, particularly when it comes to the more vague parallels. --Tacitus (talk) 15:09, 26 September 2018 (EDT)