Talk:Armor customization

Useless info
Why do we need two separate lists of how to unlock each permutation? Either the list or the chart needs deleted, it is redundant. InnerRayg 17:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Typo
"There are a wide variety of SPARTAN armor permutations, with 12 helmets, 8 shoulder pieces, and 8 chest pieces for a total of 6,144 different SPARTAN armor permutation combinations: one helmet, two shoulder pieces, and chest piece per permutation. This excludes color variations." Should say 10 helmets, 7 shoulder pieces, and 6 chest pieces for public use as well as a helemet, shoulder, and two chest pieces for Bungie's.

I edited it to say 11 helmets because they probably counted the flaming chest piece as a helmet.

But the rest is correct, no matter if they aren't public. Somebody can change the number of possible combinations as I don't know how to count them.

Recon Armor
On Friday, October 26, 2007, Bungie's Weekly Update revealed that certain players can obtain Recon armor. It says "We’ll give it out based on good deeds and valuable community service and occasionally because they make us laugh, as seen above. There will be plenty of occasions and reasons to get it." A "ZB Shogun" and a "Skyllus vBi" are the first two non-Bungie members to get the Recon permutations.

Additions
I took my two renders down. Nobody has my permission to post them on the internet. They weren't ever even supposed to leave AIM conversations.

I added the armor permutations found by modders (all 5 of the "numerous" ones for Spartans) as well as the custimzable portions of the armor (head, body, left shoulder, right shoulder). I am going to cite th sources when I get the page to it soon.... --MLG Cheehwawa

Cool, good job.-- UNSCOH   COL.   "Running   Riot"   Ryan    BAM  22:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC) 02:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Unlockable
I heard talk the armor permutations have to be unlocked. Is there any evidence supporting this?

Yes, it was stated by bungie. Does anyone know how many gamescore points you need to unlock all of the armours?-- Trev 23:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

We don't know if that is indeed the method of unlocking them.-- Captain Ghost 23:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually that was also stated by bungie. It is a sum of all gamescore acheived in halo 3, I just don't know if we need all 1000 to get all of them. I don't have xbox live so I can't get them all.-- GhostR17 00:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Im actually thinking theres certain things you need to do to unlock them. Ninja migh be unlocked through a certain amount of assassination kills and the "samurai" might be acheived through beat downs and scout may be sniper kills. I guess we'll no for sure this tuesday.-DiablosInferno

It depends. Some armor perms are given upon completion of the campaign on certain levels, others for achievements, or skulls. Some are for Gamerscore points. Some of them are unvealed in the "Extras" section of the offical Halo 3 guide in a relatively small box, in case it helps anyone. -Spartan119 some amors are unlocked by acheivements the recon is unlocked in holiday tournaments 50 points to get the whole armor

unknown weapon
What is that weapon the spartan on the right holding? (the picture on the article) It looks like the plasma cannon turret or the halo PC fuel rod gun lowered... Does anyone know what it is? it was on the halo E3 trailer, arbiter was holding it on the scarab... &#91;&#91;User:Tmek&#124;&lt;font color=&quot;lime green&quot;&gt;Assault rifle,]]&lt;/font&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&#91;&#91;User talk:Tmek&#124;&lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt; Chopper,&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/sup&gt; a spiker rifle and a chaingun and i&#39;m set!]] 14:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

other armor
does anyone know if the consiler armor will be playable --Combat

No it won't. Headpiece alone makes you have "SHOOT HERE!" written all over you. E93 01:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Arbiter's armor in multiplayer?
I took this picture from a magazine, duz this mean the Arbiter's armor will be in halo 3 multiplayer?

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I've been changing any refrence to it as speculation cos i think its quite doubtful. For one his armour doesn't mix with the outher styles as the Spartan armour does. The variations are all basically changes to the chest plate, shoulder pad and helemt, legs and arms remain the same, which is obviously a problem with the Arbiter armour. Also theres no place for a logo because his armour is too ornate, it would jsut look distorted and strange. And finally, that iamge of the Arbiter together with an EVA Spartan is photoshopped, becuase that picture of the EVA Spartan is already existing as a stand along picture.You can also tell because the arbiter's light source is too his side and the Spartans is to his fron or above. In fact, i should probs remove all mention of arbiter armour...--Ajax 013 08:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, not all armor permutations have been uncovered. It could possibly be a choice. --B le mo http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif TALK • CONTRIBUTIONS •  THE SOURCE OF SPAM 18:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I've never ever seen Arbiter armour in Multiplayer, and yet there is mention of 'arbter katana' on the Armour perms page. Unless someone can come up with a screenshot, it should be removed. Diaboy 14:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Amount of Armor permutations confirmed in the live Epsilon feed leak
In the live Feed the amount of Armor permutations was clearly listed to be 10 for Spartans and 5 for Elites. Only a few were actually unlocked for use in Epsilon but in the Armor selection menu it says "Armor X of 10" or "Armor x of 5" respectively for Spartans and Elites. This can barely seen in any of the recordings taken of the feed and placed on YouTube, due to YouTube's inherent quality, but you can ask any of the other hundreds of people that were watching it when he was customizing his armor and paying attention to that little detail.

REALLY? I saw the leak as it was coming out and saw it say '1 of 7.'70.100.166.161 22:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Well if you can actually get this concrete link for us wit actual evidence, it may be changed. --Ajax 013 13:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

New armor permu?
Found this tonight. Don't see it anywhere on the wiki yet, so I'll post it here for you guys to see. It possibly could be the one revealed at PAX event, but if nothing else, it's a better pic. http://www.360wtf.com/2007/09/06/ninja-permutation-helmet-surfaces/

Recon Armor. Only available to Bungie employees and some select members of the community (2 at the time of writing) Plus to people who hax and/or burned illegal copies. XP E93 01:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Fifth Elite Armor???
PLease someone can give me photos or links to something that can comfirm the fifth elite armor. Clavix2  SPAM COME HERE  NEVER DO THIS 15:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Nothing on it yet. You can't actually get most of the armor in Epsilon, most of it is locked, even though it is there. --86.155.52.59 16:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Mark V armor
It's already posted, but it's a terrible shot. Here's one I found in a teamxbox interview http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/3818/markvzw6.png

Okay, I signed up and added the image, thumbed it, all that stuff, and it goes wonky on me every time I save the edits. It previews like it should but whacks out when I save it. Spartan657 14:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

for now i am reverting that cos it's quite horrific looking and its scarying the bejesus outta me. --Ajax 013 14:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

The only Mark V parts are chest and head...the legs and arms seem to be the same as Mark VI...why's that?-- Joshua 029 17:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Its the same with every armor set, the only differences between them are shoulder pads, the chest palte and helmet. --Ajax 013 17:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

It is a mark 5 helmet and EOD body there would be a taller left shoulder blade box...thingy that would have a sloping conection on the front of the bodySargeLIVES 04:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

offline?
are the armor perms available offline

The X out of 10 is kinda shot down now that there is 11 Spartan Armor Permutations at this moment, but even then it seems like a lot of the info on this armor is being pulled out of peoples own asses? The the ODST armor says you need to get a Multiplayer only achievement to unlock it, but it is unknow. And they state no source! The only thing that is know is that there is armor and most of it can be seen by going to www.bungie.net and then the bungie online section and going to peoples gamertags who are playing Halo 3 right now and look at the current armor set. All of the people right now seem to be using Spartan-II armor sets and no elite --Halo freak 117 06:36, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

what i don't get
I don't understand why the SPI armor is available? You would think that they would have SPI armor along with the other permutations. Spartan-010:Stryker My Comm My Battles  17:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Well... maybe it isn't considered fanon canon, according to Bungie... or sumfink... --B le mo http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="#A9A9A9"> THE SOURCE OF SPAM 18:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Canon you mean? And it is, but SPI wouldn't fit in with the armor perms, it isn't a variation of the MJOLNIR armor. --Ajax 013 18:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, yeah... canon. Sorry, meh typing's bad at this moment, because I'm eating ice cream, editing Halopedia, doing homework, watching TV, and talking on the phone at the same time. Old habits. :P --<font color="#D3D3D3">B <font color="#A9A9A9">le <font color="#808080">mo http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="#A9A9A9"> THE SOURCE OF SPAM 18:18, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Its just for multiplayer purposes and has been designated as the EVA armor so it resembles SPI but is not in fact SPI --Halo freak 117 23:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Missing
There's some missing pieces. How do you unlock the Mark V chestplate, for example?  Kora ‘Morhek   The Battle-Net  My Conquests.  01:55, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[Edit by Porrick] Not all of the armour permutations have all pieces - Mark V, for example, is just a helmet and Security is just helmet and shoulders. What I wonder is why the "rogue" set is spelled "rouge" in the pic posted on the armour sets page... I don't see any makeup on the model...

Cha0tiks- well there is a chest armor for the MARK v helmet but its not called MARK V, the chest armor is called EOD. to unlock this chest armor play "Tsavo Highway" on legendary

Flaming head is unlockable
You need to get 300 kills with incindinary grenades. I can't find a specific source at the moment, but someone claims that is it, and non-Bungie employees have been seen with it. Someone dig around for a link. -Erik 03:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * really? However, that'll be hard, since there are rarely any Fire Bombs located in any maps, concidering that the Flaming Head is unlockable. --<font color="#D3D3D3">B <font color="#A9A9A9">le <font color="#808080">mo 23  http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="A9A9A9">SERVICE RECORD 06:16, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Cha0tiks- either that or talk your friend over xbox live about killing him 300 times with flame 'nades another choice is make a forge stage with the max. no. of flame nades

Re: Flaming Head Theroies
I'm pretty sure that's a rumor. lukems in Bungie's weekly update (10/12/07, http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12857) says,

"I’m making a list, I’m checking it twice, and it’s a list of dumb messages (and perfectly polite ones) inquiring about the Recon armor permutation. The short answer to those inquiries is, “No, you can’t have it.” The people you see with the Recon helmet are Bungie employees, and they did nothing in-game to unlock it. There is nothing you can do to unlock it.

The same counts for the flames. Don’t be too jealous however, since the flaming head makes us a giant target and is reflected in our online performances sometimes. Sending us angry or rude messages won’t help and our policy now is to simply block communications with folks who’re rude and our sincere apologies to the polite folks, that we don’t have enough time to answer your question individually. We’ve had literally thousands of requests."

Most likely the non-Bungie employees don't have it, or its something like it. Or they're hackers, in which case a real Bungie employee will take care of it. no my friend has the recon chest and shoulers as fo the flame my bothe ot that 300 flame grenade kills the recon u get it in holiay events like ranked matches 20 for one shoulder  40  for both 60 for chest and 80 for helmet - gundamon

Overkill descritpions are WAY off
they said an overkill is 25 kills without a death inbetween when teh achievement cleary says:

Overkill

Kill 4 enemies within 4 seconds of one another in a ranked free for all playlist (Online).

Also do you think they're gonna come out with new permutations?

missing elite amour
i have unlocked all 1000 gammerscore for halo3 yet im missing a set of shoulder blades for the elite

help me

Ugh, your quite behind on Halo 3 online information aren't you? and also you don't bother to actually find out yourself either do you? see Elite Commando Armor. And its shoulder pads, not shoulder blades, shoulder blades are an important bone in you upper torso and shoulder. --Ajax 013 11:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

This is where I have to stick up for my self I did do my research and a killing frenzy was needed which I did but it failed to work. Then I found out that there is a problem with the amour and should be getting fixed soon .As for the shoulder blades well that was just stupidity. I just thought someone might have known something I didn’t

And come on full 1000 gammerscore for halo 3 thats not bad

Unclassified chestplate?
in the main picture on this page, the thumbnails for the recon and serrity armors, there is bodyarmor that is not identified. what is this? recon armor? either way it needs to be investegated and edited.

After spending several minutes trying to figure out what the hell your on about, you just talking about, it doesn't matter, its the recon Chestplate, and that iamge needs to be removed, its terrible...--Ajax 013 20:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Problem
How do you unlock these armors in multiplayer without xbox live?


 * You don't. Pure and simple. Pyromancer 14:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)        No, you can unlock some without xbox live such as hayabusa E.O.D and E.V.A. also there are some more you can unlock without xbox live

Guests Can Unlock Armor
I wanted to see if a guest could unlock any armor in Halo 3 so I signed one in and went for the one non-achievement related armor, the Hayabusa. After collecting 5 skulls the Hayabusa Chest piece had been unlocked for the guest. After collecting 9 skulls, the Hayabusa Shoulders had been unlocked for the guest. I did NOT get the remaining skulls or attempt to get any achievements with the guest but some armor can be unlocked for guests. I'm not positive if the armor remains unlocked after the guest signs out, but I suspect that it doesn't. Here is an image from the game I used the Hayabusa Guest in, my Live Account is Ninjas in Nikes and the picture is on my profile on bungie.net if verification is needed.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/Legato24/Halo%203/7507271-Medium.jpg

Guests can unlock and keep armor. It's a little obvious, really. There are many people whom don't have Xbox Live so they have to have regular Xbox profiles. Bungie wouldn't want to have underprivelaged people with Halo 3 not be able to enjoy Armor Permutations. E93 01:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a good point but it wasn't exactly what I was talking about. I meant a temporary profile such as the "Guest" profile that is available when you sign in another player.

Inaccuracies in Stated Unlocking Requirements
The Security shoulder armor will not unlock merely by getting 750 points. They only unlock after completing all of the meta-game achievements, the page should be updated to reflect that.


 * Further to that, this was reported:


 * "Unlocking the Security Shoulders does not require an arbitrary amount of points. Rather, the player must unlock 39 Achievments. Ergo, the points can vary considerably. I can testify to this, since I had 810 points and no shoulders, but then I got my 39th achievement (820 points) and I've had them ever since!"


 * If anyone can link a source that verifies the exact requirements, that would be fantastic. :) -- Manticore  [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px|Manticore is a Halopedia administrator.]] Talk 13:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, as of 10/20/07, the Elite Commando shoulder armor still will not unlock, at least for some.

Its 750 including or in addition to 40 for marathon manSargeLIVES 04:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

As of this morning, I have 845 achievement points and 30 achievements unlocked (including Marathon Man), but still don't have Security shoulders -- just FYI. I wonder if the source with 39 achievements had unlocked all the Metagame achievements? (I haven't done any of those.) Thehaikumaster 18:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

--Uberfuzzy 18:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Total Achievements: 	31 of 49
 * Total Gamer Score: 	845 of 1000
 * meta: 0
 * MM: yes
 * sec shoulders: no

NOTE FROM A GUEST - I do not have 39 Halo 3 achievements, I found that to unlock them - get 750 Achievment points in Halo 3, then complete 1 meta game achievement (I did demon) to unlock them.

MightyMe18 - I don't think that 39 achievements has anything to do with it. Right now I have 30 achievements, 600 gamerscore, and I have the security shoulder pads. I don't have any meta game achievements.

Cha0tiks- for some reason i got all my meta game achievements and the marathon man achievement and no armor. but when i beat campaign on legendary the security shoulders were unlocked :o wierd

Guys. i've got something over 900 GS. i had completed 2 meta achievements after getting 800 GS, and still no shoulders. i had 40 acievements and still no shoulders. it may depend on some of those, but i can assure you that i unlocked my security shoulders upon completion of the "Steppin' Razor" achievement. we really need to work out EXACTLY what the requirements are. JakCurse 21:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Elite Pictures
I'm pretty sure the picture displaying all of the Elite armor has the Ascetic and Commando armors reversed. Blade-Swift 03:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, the two armor images are VERY bad, i need to delete them off the face of the Earth and replace them....--Ajax 013 10:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Pumpkin Heads
I heard from someone that if you reach a 25 in the Halloween playlist, you get a Pumpkin Head helmet....is that true? Kap2310 22:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Sounds pretty false. Besides, i'm not playing on it, it sucks, alot. --Ajax 013 22:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It was actualy the best way to get acheivemnts it counted as ranked FFA for that purpose and had BTB sizes and omnichatSargeLIVES 04:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Elite Armor Permutations Fixed.
I re-uploaded an image with the elite permutations with the correct labeling.

So the caption can now be changed.

Armor glitch... no not that one ...or that one...OR THAT one.
On a co-op playthrough of Floodgate one of the elite corpses in infinite devil machine had a fusion assault/combat helmet with an assault front face and the rear finns of combat not sure whaere to file this. My friend gamertag SanitysEclips3 says he is going to post a screen of it on his fileshare not sure if he has thoughSargeLIVES 04:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Armor for everyone
When you unlock armor perms are they unlocked for other profiles also?

Definitely not; my roommate has a profile on my Xbox, and he only has access to armor he's unlocked. Thehaikumaster 18:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

MARK V armor
i know the description says "unlock the UNSC Spartan achievement" and it says "Earn your Sergeant rating to be recognized as a true Spartan". But when do you exactly Earn your Sergeant rank?? :)


 * On Xbox Live. -- Manticore   (talk)  10:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

you've got to hit a certain amount of EXP to get to the sergeant ranks. it's not much. to get to the officer ranks you've got to have 70 EXP and 10 skill though. JakCurse20:00 6th January 2008

Re: Security Shoulders
righty. i think we need to clear this up. i've got 760 gamerscore from halo, no meta achievements and no security 'pads. im going to do the first level meta (hopefully) and report back on whether i get them. oh, and i've GOT marathon man. add me on XBL (my gamertag is my Halopedia username) if you want to party up and do some of the meta.JakCurse 19:56, 6th January 2008

EDIT- I've now got every achievement, barring "Steppin' Razor", "Overkill" and the metas (exepting Demon, which i've got in the last hour) and 910-ish gamerscore, STILL no security shoulders. this is either seriously bugged or it relies on one of the above achievements. im considering that it may be overkill, as i've seen people with 600 GS and security shoulders, with the majority of my achievements, plus, as i've said, overkill. i've completed the campaign on ledendary, and unlocked marathon man, so it isn't either of those. that, OR they're bugged like the commando shoulders. JakCurse 23:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

2nd EDIT- i've got them. after unlocking the meta achievement for the fourth mission, i still didnt have the shoulders, and that was the fortieth achievement, so it rules the "39" thing out. But today unlocking, "Steppin' Razor" i unlocked the shoulders ^^ as far as i'm concerned, that was the catalyst. JakCurse 21:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Security Shoulders
This is a little strange. My gamer tag is Jake Conhale, and I could have sworn I got the shoulders and then they relocked. When they first became available, I had just gotten the Lee R. Wilson memorial achievement, and that put my gamer score at 890. The achievements I had not yet gotten were all but Reclaimer of the campaign scoring, Mongoose Mowdown, Steppin' Razor, Killing Frenzy, We're in for some Chop, Two For One, and Maybe Next time Buddy.

I am pretty sure that I hadn't had this before, as I had previously gotten Overkill, Triple Kill, and Up Close and Personal all at once immediately prior to the Lee R. Wilson achievement, and I had cycled through the armor permutations.

The next day, I got Mongoose Mowdown, unlocking the Scout Shoulders, but the Security Shoulders are now locked again. I wasn't sure prior if I could have mistaken the EOD shoulders for the Security, but I remember the sheer bulkiness of the Security, the boxiness.

I just checked Theater and I even have a Lone Wolves video with one of the shoulders! I definitely had the shoulders, now I do not. I am saving the film in case anyone is curious.

I am hoping that they will unlock again as I get the rest of the achievements, but who knows? written 22nd January, 2008

Re: Security
--Dat Gnat 00:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC) Oh yeah? I've gotten the Security Shoulder Pads and I only have 620 for Halo 3. In fact... they unlocked as soon as I got the Marathon Man achievement... hmmm. Strange that Security would be a re-creation of the original armor in the game Marathon and Marathon Man unlocked my security pads. Hmmmm. The terminals are also from Marathon as well. That is, if I remember correctly.

Kitten Kickerz: Yeah...I got them and I only have 630 gamerscore... I got 3 achievements for 175 on the covenant level by beating it on normal and beating normal campaign....beating that level on above easy and by getting 50k points. and I got the security shoulders.

Aj M.- I have a gamer score of 660, and I both have, and don't have the shoulders. On certain days, I'll log in and find that they are unlocked, and on others, they will be unlocked. I have the Marathon Man achievement, and I got the shoulders a month later. I've heard the shoulders are unlocked after getting 39 achievements, and I have 36, so. Plus, if I'm not logged into live, the pads are locked.

Elite Commando Shoulders
The 02/08/08 update says that Steppin’ Razor unlocks the Commando Shoulders, not Killing Frenzy like the article says. Maybe we should change the article?

"The longstanding “Elite Commando Shoulders aren’t unlocking with the achievement” bug is being resolved in the auto update. The shoulders weren’t unlocking when the Steppin’ Razor achievement was acquired. In the post-auto update era, the Commando Shoulders will be unlocked for everyone, regardless of the status of the corresponding achievement." (69.47.222.91 20:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC))

Scout Shoulders
Whoever keeps changing mongoose mowdown to we're in for some chop, stop it. Your made of epic fail. The game guide got it wrong, Mongoose Mowdown is required. --Ajax 013 09:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, its Mongoose Mowdown Not Were in for some chop, becuase if that were true i would have full scout (i wish)

Recon Armor
The Recon armor is a armor only used by bungie empoyees.So pretty much bungie employees have it only and no one else can have it.Now there has been 4 given away.The lucky people that got it was by impressing bungie or making them luaght.Thats it so far.We really dont know any other way then that if we do we will post it up right away. Please dont complain to bungie and send them rude messages they really dont have time for that there is a short simple answer for that if you ask "can i have the recon armor" there answer will be "NO" they deserve the recon armor becuase they worked hard on the game as much as we want it they decide if we get it or not there is a 15-25% chance of getting this armor and like we said by making bungie luaght.One of the lucky people that got was they sniped someone it hit the ground it bounced back to him and klilled him and that made bungie laught or like the cone ownage search for them on youtube. so if you want the recon armor or the flaming recon or any other flaming helmet make bungie luaght

recon armor
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/coolest555/recon.jpg

flaming helmet
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/coolest555/flaminghayabusa.jpg

== flaming helmet == Anyone ever think about camo in that thing, you`re getting shot at 24/7!

About Commando Shoulders
The article states that "due to complaints from the players about this permutation being glitched, Bungie has fixed this and after the auto-update, will automatically unlock for every player, even those who don't have the permutation unlocked."

This should be ommited for two reasons. 1. It's already stated more clearly in another part of the article 2. It was glitched for everyone, so I doubt fan complaints had anything to do with it being fixed. And if it must stay, at least put it in the right section. It's under "Flight" armor! 71.189.22.224 21:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: The Flaming Bungie Helmet.
I can't seem to remember where i found this out, but the bungie helmet is in fact not the helmet at all. it's an EOD body piece, but it's shown as "Bungie" in the selector, and the description is something like "Tested in the fires of a thousand battles, go forth and represent." i know that it isn't accurate, but it's along those lines. 88.110.115.160 22:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)