Talk:105th Shock Troops Division

Before I do it again...
I think we should remove the list of subordinate units: It's simply a leftover of the days when we thought the 105th was an ODST division, and as far as I can tell, it has never been officially confirmed. Plus, the idea of an MEU consisting of more than one battalion is a bit off, to say the least.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 16:22, 5 November 2010 (EDT)


 * And yet they are designated as 105th. Is it not possible that the 105th is actually an MEF instead? A division made very large due to it's volunteer status? -- Forerunner 16:38, 5 November 2010 (EDT)


 * I think the Halo Encyclopedia confirmed it was an MEU.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 16:40, 5 November 2010 (EDT)


 * I know what the encyclopedia said about it. What I am saying is that an MEU is simply too small to contain the vast numbers of ODSTs. All units are apparently in the 105th - an MEU only contains around 2,200 men, only two Battalions worth. However, we know that at least seven divisions were a part of it, and another fifteen referred to as ODST battalions.-- Forerunner 15:17, 6 November 2010 (EDT)
 * When was it ever said that all ODST units are in the 105th? --The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 15:22, 6 November 2010 (EDT)


 * Sorry, I changed my view and forgot to remove that >.< Regardless, the 105th is still too large to be a battalion. Many ships appear to have a complement of ODSTs when in war-service - the In Amber Clad had twelve SOEIV-deployed ODSTs and another three Pelicans-full of them when she left Cairo station (take note that her mission in New Mombasa didn't require a drop, but she was prepared nontheless). The Pillar of Autumn also had a large complement of ODSTs despite her mission being to capture a Covenant ship (something that really would just require sending a few Pelicans of SPARTANs into the launch bay). That would suggest more than a battalions-worth of ODSTs.-- Forerunner 15:46, 6 November 2010 (EDT)


 * As per The Fall of Reach, the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers have multiple division-sized units under their command. It should also be noted that "Helljumpers" has never specifically been labeled to anyone outside of the 105th (as per TFoR again). However, four battalions (2nd, 7th, 11th, and 19th) are noted as being subordinate units of the 105th, with a few more (22nd STB, 340th CTU, etc.) speculated. Presently, USMC battalions are normally comprised of 1,200 Marines and Sailors, which would total to a unit in excess of 6,000 Orbital Drop Shock Troopers. If anything, the 105th is likely a regiment or brigade and/or the number designation for a Marine Expeditionary Brigade (14,000). That...and the Halo Encyclopedia isn't the best source of information for the universe.
 * Another thing to mention..."105th MEU (SOC)" is probably the most uninformative and redundant unit name in history. The mission of the Orbital Drop Shock Troopers does not include an "Expeditionary" capacity which is solely occupied by their Marine infantry cousins. The "Special Operations Capable" bit is also something to be weary towards, as ODST's are a permanent Naval Special Warfare Command unit and can't switch off their abilities at their liking. The title will remain, but in the trivia section, you may write as to how 343i has made an error concerning the unit type and structure.
 * And because I forget to add onto previous statements...Marine Expeditionary Units aren't formed out of a single permanent unit. Marine battalions are rotated in from their respective Fleet Marine Force divisions into the MEU, with a single battalion operating as the BLT (Battalion Landing Team) for the MEU for a few months. That, and MEU's aren't spread throughout the world, rather they act in-unison with their ground, aviation, and logistical elements in a single area. At the same time, the 2nd, 7th, 11th, and 19th battalions were operating on Reach, Earth, and the Forerunner installations within a month or so. The evidence yet again proves that the 105th isn't a MEU.