Talk:Main Page

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Ads being covered on the Main Page
On smaller resolutions the current version of the main page table covers the ads, due to the poll box and the featured image being in two side-by-side tables. This is a bad thing (tm). Some suggestions for making the table more dynamic:
 * Don't use a globally wrapping table, a div would be contstrained (in most browsers) by the content div.
 * Split the columns a bit more into their own separate tables. A table looks nice, but doesn't allow content to find its natural parting.
 * Try to align inflexible content, such as the poll and the image. This would allow the opposing column, in extremely small browsers or resolutions, to squeeze to the width of the widest word (worst case).

--Splarka (talk) 05:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Um, This is/was specific to the main page which is why I used this page. --Splarka (talk) 01:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * We can just remove it. The voting template will be brought down soon anyway, and it can be put back later. -ED 22:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Question About Userboxes
Are we allowed to use userboxes from other wikis on our user pages?--Ketchup 01:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * They are free by definition, but they will most probably not work, as the code is stored on their Wiki's server, not ours. You could create the userbox to use on Halopedia, but it's best to do so on a subpage of your userpage if it's not related to Halo. --  Manticore  [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] TalkundefinedCSV 02:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Can we create our own custom userboxes? if so then how? -Spartan G-23

Halopedia Presentation

 * Do you think we can change the presentation of the Halopedia Main Page, it seems to have bits of information placed everywhere and doesn't look that great compared to other wikia's such as Wookiepedia. Could we also perhaps consider changing the font.

-Exodus 117

"Auto-ranking" Spartans
OK I'm really frustrated by this. Nearly every Spartan page whose rank has not been specifically mentioned is listed as a Petty Officer Second Class. Yes, I know all the SPARTAN-IIs were promoted to this rank upon "graduation", but that doesn't mean that was the same for every SPARTAN-III (I know some have been mentioned as PO2's though). It definitely doesn't make sense that Gamma Company SPARTAN-IIIs (who are still in training!) are listed as PO2. They haven't "graduated" yet!!! I think we need to make a page to list references for Spartan characters' ranks, and then list the others without references as unknown. Does anyone agree with me on this? Is anyone else irritated? --  Manticore  TalkundefinedCSV 13:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Gamma company graduated. That is why they left Onyx. Those that remained there were just competing for top team. -ED 20:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ohh yeah! Well now I just sound kinda crazy. But if you check out SPARTAN-G099 you'll see a reference to him being called Private. Anyways it wasn't just Gamma Company. --  Manticore  [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] TalkundefinedCSV 02:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * They did graduate, but no reference was made to them graduating to the rank of PO2, as with the SPARTAN-IIs. Theres no reference to any other classes of Spartans graduating to this rank either (even if SPARTAN-IIIs hold the rank, they may have been promoted to it following years of service). --  Manticore  [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] TalkundefinedCSV 07:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding DYK...
I don't really like having the big long list there... I'd rather it just displays one random thing from a list, sorta like this, and then anyone can add something to the list, and it'll just display one random thing from the entire list. Whaddya think?  guesty - persony - thingy  I too am an AI... my owner's name is Supreme Honcho. 04:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that makes sense. --Dragonclaws(talk) 04:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. -ED 20:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * GPT, that Idea is amazing. In fact, I am going to impliment it right now. -ED 02:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah that's a good idea, but it should have 4 items, not 2. With 2 it looks bare, and it also is unbalanced on the Main Page. --  Manticore  [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] TalkundefinedCSV 03:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia
is this site part of the wikimedia foundation?--Socialist 13:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it isn't. Please see Wikimedia for details of how Wikia and Wikimedia are different. Angela talk 14:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Improvement Drive?
When I visited the page for the selection of the next improvement drive, I noticed that it is VERY unorganized. Personally I think that we should set it up like the featured article and stuff, with the nice, organized voting. That way we will be able to tell fairly which improvement drive is next. Also we should have a page that stating everything that needs to be accomplished before a section is considered good, and you can check off what has been finished. I think that will make our improvement drives more effective. Whad does everybody else think? Raging Phantom 19:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There's never really been a lot of demand for the drive, its sort of fallen my the wayside lately. If you would like to imprive it, feel free. -ED 18:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have changed the voting page. Please note that I erased all nominations from before 2007, so if you had an idea before 2007 and want to have it nominated, you will have to do it again. sha dow in the pri sm 19:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ranking
Do you guys know how featured articles have a Legendary picture in the very top-right corner? Why not expand that, where stubs gets an Easy symbol, good articles get a Normal image, and great articles get a Heroic image? Respect them Grunts, Mouse Squeak to me. The mouse's work.
 * We would have to make some pretty extensive criteria for that. Right now, the symbol just represents FA status, just like the master chief helmet in the corner of admin's unserpages represent admin status. -ED 01:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

If anyone wants to do it, I have an idea for how that might be structured. --  Manticore  TalkundefinedCSV 00:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Featured articles - Legendary icon
 * Nominated to be featured articles - Heroic
 * Stubs - Easy
 * Not sure what Normal would be for, it'd be stupid to have it on every other page.

IDEA
I just had the best idea in the jole wiki of halo!! HAloepedia could have 3 different political parties kinda. Each admit would be kinda in charge. it might be the differnt friend groups maybe or somthing. like the one id be in would have Caboose, climax, digipatd, josh-29, Terror, Forerunner, maybe rot and more. we'd have dragonclaws as our admit repersentive maybe. and we have a vote every month or 3 or something. That would be really cool and would bring users together. It would be great. maybe for the fan art thing. the 3 admits and one elected person from each there parties would have a set on in it. or something. It could be used for alot. we could have more userboxs more new users would feel involed and alot of other stuff. it would defenitly bring a new kinda order to halopedia that no other wiki's have ever known! What do you all think?-- Lieutenant   Colonel   ryan  n  green  day 19:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This is a great idea, instead of have one person controlling everything, we could have 3 parties that debate and discuss things about Halopedia.-- Joshua 029 19:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It sounds kind of weird to make it into a republic when this sort of communist system works already. Frankly, it sounds better suited to a MUD than a wiki. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 20:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what the purpose of the three parties would be from that description. I don't think we need to start a whole new project merely so there can be a userbox put on people's pages either. --  Manticore  [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] TalkundefinedCSV 00:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Isnt' this what the Covenant of Halopedia is? -- Esemono 01:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Esemono is correct. This is the Covenant of Halopedia. It is a very intriguing idea, but I don't think it would work in practical terms. =D Cheers, Gho st I nsi de the M ach ine ''(Whisper through the Storm ) (My Journeys ) (<font color="#808080">Omens ) 14:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Plus, Halopedia still "officially" has at least four admins. If Seethroo ever comes back, he will get his status back, too. -ED 01:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Why should he get his status back after such a long period of inactivity? Wouldn't it be a better plan to vote for a new admin? Someone who is regularly active and is a pillar of the Halopedia community? My personal vote would go with RR or GPT <font color="Q2Q2Q2">sha <font color="#545454">dow <font color="#848484">in <font color="#999999">the <font color="#A3A3A3">pri <font color="D6D6D6">sm 19:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

GPT's only been here a few months, no matter how much he's contributed in that time. Seethroo was the creator of the site that eventually became this wiki (I think that's a fair explanation of what happened, see Halopedia:History for more info), so he should get admin status as a courtesy if he returns. --  Manticore  TalkundefinedCSV 04:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, with the three inactive admins, Buz left Halopedia soon after it was created. AgentSeethroo created the site and disappeared when he was reassigned (He's in the US Air Force) during the move from old.halopedia to new.halopedia. Steve (Porplemontage) is still around, he answers questions and takes care of the occasional technical problems. Of the three, only Buz wouldn't get his admin status back, in my opinion. -ED 22:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Halo Comic Books
Theres a halo comic book sieres coming out is that going to be added to the haloverse section.
 * Of course. It will be mentioned if it comes out, and it will be extensively added if it is Bungie approved canon. -ED 17:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

français Wiki
Bonjour esemono, pouvons nous veuillez avoir une version française de ce site Web. comme vous pouvez voir, j'ai clairement les qualifications. -- précurseur __________Translation__________ hello, please can we have a french version of this website. as you can see, i clearly have the qualifications. -- Forerunner
 * I would say feel free to do it, though you might have trouble drumming up support from our site, most people here don't speak french. -ED 17:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I see. though it could introduce french people to visit the fr.version. coz i fink i heared about halo:CE having french copies (as in french people doin the voices), and obviusly fluent french speaking canadians. Forerunner 18:02 7/3/07
 * A French version would be great. Do you know any French-speaking Halo fans who would edit it though? Or at least forums where you could find such people? Angela talk 19:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.halo.fr/ ? I can't read French, so I don't know for sure if it works. -- Dragon<font color="FF0000">c laws ( talk ) 00:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If sent a meesage 2 the site (in french) where shall i tell them 2 sign in (i.e. tll u that they want it)? coz i can't get on the forums tho i fink i need another password 4 that. 15:48 9/3/07 __________Translation__________ Si envoyé un meesage 2 le site (dans le français) où leur dirai-je 2 signe le registre (c'est-à-dire tll u qu'ils le veulent) ? car je ne peux pas monter dans les forum tho je dénonce j'ai besoin d'un autre mot de passe 4 cela. Précurseur
 * I'm not sure what you mean. The forums are here: http://forums.halo.fr/ I was able to register an account. I haven't tested posting though as I can't write the language. -- Dragon<font color="FF0000">c laws ( talk ) 00:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I dont mean that/. when i said i can't get on the forums i ment as i i cant post on the forums. i've got a password. they send me an email telling me somat that says what would ur parents think if u  were 2 be a member. i send it. but they go on and on about 'you'v either logged under an incorrect account or your username is inactive' So how the hell can i go n i don't know.
 * Ok i fixed that problem
 * Erm... On other wikis it is linked 2 from the main page.; Like in english Runescape, it has French . And so french halopedia would be French .  u got it?
 * It puts u on the search results page with a blue link (the kind of blue u see for inter/outerwiki travels)

I'd just like to say, that although I'm not doubting you speak French, the fact that you wrote in French does not mean you "clearly have the qualifications"; anyone can use a translation website. --  Manticore  TalkundefinedCSV 04:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

today
what if we added a part of the main page where we say, 'in this day in halo history...', or something like that? i got the idea from another wiki i saw, so it might be plagerizing, but what do you think? although it might have to be something kinda different, since there aren't many specific days mentioned in the Halo universe. Phil.e. 00:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * How about : 'Finishing the Fight 2007'. hows that? it shows that halo3 is coming and is not in breach of copyright law (exept if u put that on the cover of another game). 15:41 9/3/07


 * That wouldn't be plagiarism, since you aren't taking someone else's work and calling it your own. If there are enough dates relating to Halo, I might be able to throw something together for that and shove it in DYK. Here's an idea: Just add any dates related to Halo to User:Guesty-Persony-Thingy/This Day, seperating them as Halo universe dates and real world dates, and I'll see what I can do on the techy side of things. <font color="#000000">g <font color="#770000">u <font color="#cc0000">e <font color="#ff0000">s <font color="#ff3333">t <font color="#ff6666">y -<font color="#9999ff">p <font color="#6666ff">e <font color="#3333ff">r <font color="#0000ff">s <font color="#0000cc">o <font color="#000066">n <font color="#000000">y -<font color="#000000">t <font color="#007700">h <font color="#00cc00">i <font color="#00ff00">n <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">y  23:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

White Stuff
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/584/whitestuffdu6.png

Does anyone else sometimes see the menu bars obscured by a white frame? -- Dragon<font color="FF0000">c laws ( talk ) 17:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I see it on my desktop, but not my laptop. My laptop doesn't have the latest IE, but the desktop does (both run Windows XP). The desktop also seems to have problems with wikias in general, as pictures don't load or the code starts messing up. <tt> Dude984 </tt> [ Communications ] - [ Contributions ][[Image:Dude avatar copy.gif|25px]] 01:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Microsoft problem, mb? That's what Firefox is for. ;D <font color="#000000">g <font color="#770000">u <font color="#cc0000">e <font color="#ff0000">s <font color="#ff3333">t <font color="#ff6666">y -<font color="#9999ff">p <font color="#6666ff">e <font color="#3333ff">r <font color="#0000ff">s <font color="#0000cc">o <font color="#000066">n <font color="#000000">y -<font color="#000000">t <font color="#007700">h <font color="#00cc00">i <font color="#00ff00">n <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">y  01:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Happens on my computer sumtimes. Check on My Computer and right click on 'Local Disk (C:)' and then clik on properties. look on the pie chart. This tells you how much space you have. Going on web pages apparently creates an unseen temporary folder. If you (refering to anyone as i'm speaking in second person) have AOL, just reset your toolbar. 18:47 12/3/07
 * I've seen that on a bunch of the wikia wikis. -ED 19:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Halo News (working title)
How about a news page that shows the weeks news. like there are sections. Crime section reports felonies/Vandals, Buisness section shows any future development for the site. its a work not realy in progress rather a crazy idea. 18:51 12/3/07
 * RelentlessRecusant has his own personal newsletter that covers all that stuff. If you like, you can sign up with him to get the newsletter. -ED
 * # i don't know where 2 sign up


 * 1) me + RR (i'm not in his fanclub! *gasp*) Rn't on good terms. coz he keeps trying 2 ban me. 4 a multi-IP-scandal when both times it turrns out they were signed in!

Template:Oracle Newsletter is the main page, go to RR's userpage and go down to Oracle Newsletter and put your name in the confirmed box to sign up. And he isn't trying to ban you or get you banned or anything; I'm the one who pointed out that those three people weren't signed in. It's not my fault someone's cheating for you; if you want to win, do something really special next month, or something, so no one will have to cheat. <font color="#000000">g <font color="#770000">u <font color="#cc0000">e <font color="#ff0000">s <font color="#ff3333">t <font color="#ff6666">y -<font color="#9999ff">p <font color="#6666ff">e <font color="#3333ff">r <font color="#0000ff">s <font color="#0000cc">o <font color="#000066">n <font color="#000000">y -<font color="#000000">t <font color="#007700">h <font color="#00cc00">i <font color="#00ff00">n <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">y  20:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah. That's what youre looking for. That's all we can do for you. -ED 20:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Aok. but the things RR said are classed as bullying! he sais that like i'm forging votes (i.e. 'your a cheater!' in 8 yr old sayings) i'm ythe victim of bullying every day and was shoked 2 be insulted by someone over 2500 mmiles away! I can understand hat what you did was a good thing. but he just takes it too far (funny as i am now).if sum1 say 'these seem strange'' you dont go 'then get rid of them' you inspect thouruly and if they can talk, ask them.


 * He isn't bullying you; he's just saying that somedone's adding false votes, which is true. We don't know who's doing it, but someone is, so we removed them. End of discussything-yageanisms. 24.251.125.185 20:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Edits
How do you know how many edits a user has? <font color="Q2Q2Q2">sha <font color="#545454">dow <font color="#848484">in <font color="#999999">the <font color="#A3A3A3">pri <font color="D6D6D6">sm 19:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Special:Statistics has a few ways of finding that out. -ED 19:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ops. That was Halopedia:Stats I was referring to. -ED 19:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Theres also one for just the wikia your using it on click on this. note:you must right your username on it.
 * Heres mine for just untill i wrote this


 * Total 1,247 100%
 * (Main) 781 62.63%
 * Talk 82 6.75%
 * User 138 11.07%
 * User talk 82 6.58%
 * Halopedia 1 0.08%
 * Halopedia talk 12 0.96%
 * Image 23 1.84%
 * Image talk 1 0.08%
 * Template 118 9.46%
 * Template talk 4 0.32%
 * Category 3 0.24%
 * Forum 3 0.24%

Cool, thanks <font color="Q2Q2Q2">sha <font color="#545454">dow <font color="#848484">in <font color="#999999">the <font color="#A3A3A3">pri <font color="D6D6D6">sm 15:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think in i know of a vandal crisis
i think i no how signed users votes become unsigned votes... Well,you know that you go on history section of pages, well go on the User of the Month's history page. click on the 'Revision made at __:__ on the__ of __ 2007. it probably got edited by someone, when not logged in. and then re-saved it that way it would show that the newer edits didn't happed the way they did. I've heared it all the time on wikipedia I would like to point out that it possibly would have been cira 19:00 US Eastern time. i was asleep so that would rule me out (that would be 4 in the morning where i am) I advise u (I.e Dragonclaws Esemono, possibly Ed aswell) to put its history page on 'lookout' mode (i.e. stopping unsigned and ordinar users from editing it, or putting it on your watch list) 'I solve the puzzles' -- 15:40 15/3/07
 * The page is under semi-protection, ie you must be logged in to change it. -ED 19:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What if you went on it, and then logged off??? seriously help me out here.. -
 * Then you can't vote until you sign back in. That's all there is to it. Only registered users can vote, that has always been the rule. So, you must show that you are a registered user to vote. -ED 20:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You mean an edit conflict? But that would still show whoever signed that logged in while changing it right before any anonymous person. But anyone not logged in shouldn't even be editting the page in the first place. But, as ED says, it's protected, so you have to be signed in to vote now. <font color="#000000">g <font color="#770000">u <font color="#cc0000">e <font color="#ff0000">s <font color="#ff3333">t <font color="#ff6666">y -<font color="#9999ff">p <font color="#6666ff">e <font color="#3333ff">r <font color="#0000ff">s <font color="#0000cc">o <font color="#000066">n <font color="#000000">y -<font color="#000000">t <font color="#007700">h <font color="#00cc00">i <font color="#00ff00">n <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">y  [[Image:GPersonyThingy.jpeg|19px]] 20:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok i was just talking about wether or not unsigned users might be able to go on the history page, open an earlier version, and like save over it as a signed member. Though be careful. There could be multiple
 * Please note that i created chief2552 as a backup file coz mine got stuck on a preference change that made it impossible 2 change back. i finaly did on another computer at my friends house.
 * Users that aren't signed in can't revert the page, they can't touch it in any way. So, no, they can't do that, either. -ED 20:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Impossible; that would simply erase any changes since then and show it was done by an unsigned user. Here, I'll show you right now. Say something, then I'll go back to the version before you said that with my IP address and sign it as Guesty, but on the history page it will still say 24.251.185.125, rather than Guesty, regardless of which version I editted or who I signed as. <font color="#000000">g <font color="#770000">u <font color="#cc0000">e <font color="#ff0000">s <font color="#ff3333">t <font color="#ff6666">y -<font color="#9999ff">p <font color="#6666ff">e <font color="#3333ff">r <font color="#0000ff">s <font color="#0000cc">o <font color="#000066">n <font color="#000000">y -<font color="#000000">t <font color="#007700">h <font color="#00cc00">i <font color="#00ff00">n <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">y  [[Image:GPersonyThingy.jpeg|19px]] 20:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, he gets it! <font color="#000000">g <font color="#770000">u <font color="#cc0000">e <font color="#ff0000">s <font color="#ff3333">t <font color="#ff6666">y -<font color="#9999ff">p <font color="#6666ff">e <font color="#3333ff">r <font color="#0000ff">s <font color="#0000cc">o <font color="#000066">n <font color="#000000">y -<font color="#000000">t <font color="#007700">h <font color="#00cc00">i <font color="#00ff00">n <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">y  [[Image:GPersonyThingy.jpeg|19px]] 20:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

A-Ok. I'm with u all the way. (hey that rymes!)

Funny u should talk as on the 13 of March was it? and edit on the page ended misteriously with 3 votes missing 4 me. and that person whome is registered 2 have done that... WAS YOU!!! GPT notices that sum1 is winning, reads an article of something strange? replaces 3 votes! Look here!
 * BSP and EvilWays's votes misteriously dissapear during your edit...
 * Above the writing on the edit it reads...

'''WARNING: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost. '''

Note: This page has been locked so that only registered users can edit it.


 * Heres More.


 * Revision as of 13:31, March 12, 2007; Esemono
 * Donut THX 1138 (9) (talk)(contribs)
 * Dojorkan (2) (talk)(contribs) **Forerunner (4) (talk)(contribs)

after Esemonos vote, on the next revision...


 * Revision as of 17:48, March 12, 2007; 70.60.48.227
 * Donut THX 1138 (9) (talk)(contribs)
 * Forerunner (4) (talk)(contribs)
 * RamblerMan (5) (talk)(contribs)

although RamblerMan's votes were taken off eventualy, this is still classed as vandalism! It took at least 7 revisions before they even realised that there were no votes 4 him at all. I believe RamblerMan made 5 votes 4 himself to make him be the user of the month! was it looked up to? I suggest that higher ranking users should keep the page on their watchlist incase of a VANDAL CRISIS!!!


 * What are you blubbering about? BSP and EvilWays's votes were both from the same IP address, and, because they were from an IP, they were not logged idn. Because of that, they don't count. And RamblerMan hasn't even touched that page, at least not since January 4, since that's as far back as I looked. Linky to revision, mb? 24.251.125.185 20:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

UNSC Personnel Template?
I was thinking that UNSC personnel could use a template for basic facts to be displayed on the character pages. Unfortunatly, while I've found success editting existing templates, I have no idea how to start one from scratch. If anyone is interested in creating one, I'd be glad to start filling them in. Chickenman 20:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we do have one...-ED 21:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? I looked... Chickenman 21:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Template:Human Character Infobox is what we use for all human characters. -ED 22:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. Chickenman 22:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

WHY ARENT THEY MADE YET!
Why aren't Pirates, Black Market Trader articles created yet????? I'd make them myself but unfortunantly I dont know much of them =[. Maybe someone who knows of these should create a article?

--Spartan 1 1 7 23:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe there isn't that much about them, which would be why you don't know much of them, and there are no articles. -Chickenman 00:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)