Talk:Prologue

Anachronism section
Regarding the paragraph concerning the augmentation section, the sentence from Fall of Reach is quite ambiguous on its own. Even in our present time, most of the 2012 Olympic athletes look nothing like those in Scanned. Seems like you're thinking of the jocks depicted in our common entertainment media... oh, anyway, I suggest this entire paragraph rewritten or removed: I would prefer removing since it should always be the case of "game canon being superior".— subtank   04:05, 8 November 2012 (EST)


 * I doubt Nylund was being THAT exact when describing the S-IIs pre-augmentations, and I doubt he'd know much about the anatomy of athletes. He just intended for a basic impression of "young but really buff", and the Spartans seen in Scanned seem to reflect that better than in Prologue. But Scanned isn't the only source. I've also noted the S-IIs' appearance in the Halo: Fall of Reach comic book, and they look about the same as in Scanned. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 13:00, 28 January 2013 (EST)

Isn't there a way to rewrite the "Spartan's armor" paragraph without stating things like "The most prominent inconsistency", "Halsey couldn't have known it", "The Visual Guide retcons the suits as Mark IV"...? I think it's pretty much established that these armors were simply a Mark IV variant from the get-go (In the same way Fred's helmet isn't a Mark V(B) but rather a Mark IV variant, and so on...). Same for the energy shields, which were field tested and thus aren't really an inconsistency (Field testing them throughout the war is still much more likely than having them coming from nowhere in 2551 for the Mark V). Of course I'm not implying that the explanations should be removed, I'm just suggesting that we rewrite some lines so they look more like "This can be explained by that" rather than "This is an inconsistency but it can still be explained by that". Casual fans may be confused by so-called "inconsistencies" while in fact those are inconsistencies only until you find out the explanation. The existence of boosters which are not part of subsequent armors is an interesting point though. Imrane-117 (talk) 09:36, 24 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Okay, so I did it, hoping that doesn't bother anyone. First, I've changed "Anachronisms" into "Discrepancies", because after elucidating most of the inconsistencies, those that remained were not really anachronisms anymore; it's mostly about representations. Second, I've removed most of the part that stated that Halsey didn't like "her" armor being modified. This armor is just a variant of the original Mark IV, as much as the EVA, EOD or Commando variants are, and at this point I can assure you that Halsey has probably seen tons of them. Eventually, the fact she didn't like "field modifications" has little to do with such armors which are much more than that; it's simply a line of Mark IV, as stated in the visual guide. As for the boosters, I changed that a little bit: it seems clear that they were a feature of this Mark IV variant, yet most of the MJOLNIR armors have their own features. We could say that wearing an EVA armor would have been more useful to some Spartans during a space mission, but ultimately it's not that significant to mention. The boosters' absence in subsequent armors is an acceptable fact, after all every armors have a specificity. Moreover, the Sangheili combat harness wasn't retconned, as the regular one is still present in Spartan Assault. It's just that some are standard while others are not. Imrane-117 (talk) 18:10, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

The difference is that John's armor was indeed canonically a field modification, as evidenced by 343's explanation of nanomachines. The modified Mark VI in the flashbacks was originally not meant to be Mark IV, but just reusing the Mark VI just like how The Package initially had Mark VI's that turned out to be Mark IV. As for the boosters, they were on mainline armors, not EVA, which is a variant. Hence why I feel it's best to cover the whole issue, including how 343 eventually explained that it's a Mark IV model. And I think it's better to keep the explanations together rather than in different sections, as otherwise it starts to seem more like a section for speculation. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 20:00, 26 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Why should we consider that as an inconsistency? The Package 's and Prologue 's armors were not "Mark VI" that turned out to be "Mark IV" as it was all before 2552; anyone can deduce that. These armors are merely variants of the Mark IV. I think my edit was much clearer about everything, including other things such as Cortana's hologram, the boosters, the Sangheili combat harness, etc. Calling these things inconsistencies from the get-go will only confuse people. Plus separating the so-called "inconsistencies" between those that are allegorical representations and those that aren't inconsistencies because they can be explained can be more helpful for people who think everything is simply wrong from the beginning. Finally about the speculation, there was simply no speculation in what I wrote, actually I even removed things like "Sangheili armor could have been retconned", etc, there was a bunch of speculations before my edit (and now that it has been reverted). I really think the section should be clearer, about what's wrong and what's not wrong in the Prologue, since launch I've met several people on forums who were confused especially because they saw things being called inconsistencies on the wiki. Imrane-117 (talk) 20:35, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

I meant that it might open it up to speculation from later editors, since it seemingly offers the chance to add one's own explanation. In The Package, we didn't know they were Mark IV variants yet, since we even saw its HUD showed shields and the time period was never given in the short. And the section is clear about what's been answered, but it should still be noted what the problems are because those answers are not given in the cutscene itself. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 20:45, 26 July 2013 (EDT)


 * I don't think the "allegorical" subsection would really lead to speculation, as it's kept in a direct way, and there's also some additional things such as Halsey showing the hologram to John in the comic book. As for The Package, indeed we didn't have any date, but we knew it was before the games and thus the Spartans had to wear Mark IV variants, even the shields could have been a possibility because of Halo Wars (even before The Essential Visual Guide), for "style" purposes like originally for Red Team. As for the problems/answers, I think it should be the opposite. You want to point out the problems a bit too much I think, everyone can potentially see the "problems", but the article should be focused on answering them. Instead of stating "this is a problem and here's the answer", there should mainly be an explanation, because most of the time it's not really a problem, it's just that some fans didn't realize some things (That if it's during the war, the armors have to be Mark IV, that energy shields existed during this time frame, etc). Imrane-117 (talk) 20:55, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

If the answers are readily apparent then there's no need to point out the problems. That's why the Halo Legends shorts don't get personal sections going on about their inconsistencies, because usually it's only one or two, though major, problems in them, like the time period for The Duel or Halsey's age and the Mark VI's in The Package. This one does because the inconsistencies are throughout all the flashbacks, and have too much detail for Inconsistencies page. In a sense, this section is merely an extension of the List of Inconsistencies page, just relegated here so as to not fill that page up and to go more into detail. If the section were to spend its time trying to give answers for all the problems, there would be no need to have it because it'd be contradicting itself, by saying there are inconsistencies and then that there are not. And it's not as if the section is giving any answers. It already was, and discusses the major issues. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 23:12, 26 July 2013 (EDT)

Brute fight
The short clip of John fighting the Chieftain looks a lot like a continuation of the Starry Night trailer for Halo 3. There are even piles of dead Brutes around. Alex T Snow 06:22, 11 November 2012 (EST)

Name
Should we rename this, along with Epilogue, to "Halo 4 Prologue/Epilogue"? We don't have "Credits (Halo 3)" nor "Credits (Halo 2)", and it's a good way to stay away from disambiguation pages. —  SPARTAN 331  22:00, 16 November 2012 (EST)
 * I agree with you. Go for it.-- 22:35, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Well, currently none of the other games have levels titled Prologue. I'm unsure. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 22:40, 16 November 2012 (EST)
 * Well each game has dialogue before and after gameplay, but no cinematic is specifically referred to as "Prologue" or "Epilogue" that I'm aware of, I'm not sure either.Colonel Grade One.png Col.  Snipes  4  50 Colonel Grade One.png 22:59, 16 November 2012 (EST)
 * Since there are no other pages with that exact title, I don't think there's any reason to disambiguate this one. Wherever we have the chance, it's best to keep article titles as concise as possible. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 12:09, 19 November 2012 (EST)