Talk:Blooding Years

Assault on Vadam
Since it's implied that the war will continue, should the "assault on Vadam" have its own page as a battle? Col.  Snipes  4  50  15:26, 23 October 2012 (EDT)
 * I'd vote for it, but I'm not an admin. The Civil War started after the Brute rebellion and also raged in other states.--Thijsbos 18:32, 23 October 2012 (EDT)


 * Doesn't seem necessary right now, given how little info we have on the rest of the conflict; a page on the battle at Vadam alone would mostly be a duplicate of the information in this article. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 01:48, 24 October 2012 (EDT)


 * Yeah I figured, just thought I'd ask. Colonel Grade One.png Col.  Snipes  4  50 Colonel Grade One.png 02:11, 24 October 2012 (EDT)

Arbiter Loyalists
Should a new article be made for the Arbiter loyalists as a new faction?.
 * We don't really have enough information at this point to warrant having an article.-- 17:48, 12 December 2012 (EST)

Well i've researched this faction and the only information I could find was this: 1.)Known Belligerents- Thel'Vadam(Arbiter), Cadan 'Ilmir, the unknown ship pilot(the one who escorted Kilo-Five in Ontom before they entered the Foreruner temple), Levu 'Mdama and the Elder of Lacalu Keep. 2.)Known Infantry- Numerous Sangheili and Unggoy(since they work for Sangheili). 3.)Known Equipement and Vehicles- Anti-air battteries(In the State of Vadam/Vadam Keep), Banshees, Comm intercepts, and radar. They could also possibly have Wraiths, Ghosts, and Phantoms. 4.)Known Arbiter Loyalists locations- State of Vadam(Vadam Keep), State of Acroli with Lacalu Keep(except Nes'alun Keep),Hilot, and Chaura. 5.)Known Ships- 5 cruisers and one escort ship, 4 of which are Axiom(Destroyed),Devotion(Destroyed),Far Vision(Destroyed),Swordsman(Operational), and Unknown escort ship(Fate unknown though possibly still operational). 6.)Political Information- Leader-Arbiter, Language-Sangheili and Capitol-Vadam Keep/State of Vadam. 7.)History- Formed after the Human-Covenant War, the Arbiter Loyalists are the forces loyal to the Arbiter, Thel 'Vadam. The Arbiter Loyalists follow the Arbiter along with the rules of the peace treaty between them and the UNSC/UEG. During the Sangheili civil war, the Arbiter Loyalists fought against the Servants of Abiding Truth and their allies. During the Assault on Vadam, the Loyalists were sustaining losses due to the Servant's of Abiding Truth's massive presence surrounding Vadam Keep. However, the tide turned when the UNSC Infinity arrived and began to fire on the rebel forces. The rebel forces, sensing defeat, began to retreat from Sanghelios with the help of ONI, which destroyed some of Vadam's ships to retain the stalemate between the two factions. The assault ended with most of the rebels' forces destroyed while some managed to escape to New Llanelli. The Loyalist forces were left with a Pyrrhic victory with cities damged throughout the Northern Hemisphere of Sanghelios. Is this information enough for its own article, and could the siege of Nes'alun Keep be added to this article?19:16, 15 December 2012 (EST)

Nes'alun keep
Should we consider the "Raid/Massacre at Nes'alun keep" a part of the civil war, and if so should we include it on this page? It was between forces loyal to the Arbiter and 'Telcam, and the battle mostly occurred because of the civil war. Mortal Dictata seems to imply that it was a part of the civil war as well. - NightHammer (talk) 18:43, 1 August 2014 (EDT)
 * I'd say put it here. I get the feeling that a lot of the fighting was mostly grudges against real people than any sort of ideological reasons (Raia herself states that many of the forces helping the Servants don't really have much in common beyond hatred of the Arbiter). We also may want to consider broadening this to include other battles, such a the run ins between Thel 'Vadam's Covenant and Jul 'Mdama's Covenant, and whatever information we have from the 11th hour reports. Otherwise, we're just talking about the Siege of Vadam, not the civil war. -- SFH (talk) 19:44, 1 August 2014 (EDT)
 * Yes, I agree. The page should be used for all major Sangheili v. Arbiter conflicts, not just Arbiter v. 'Telcam conflicts. - NightHammer (talk) 19:59, 1 August 2014 (EDT)

Name
Technically isn't this conflict taking place just on Sanghelios? Wouldn't a more appropriate name be "Sanghelios" Civil War? Lord Hierarch (talk) 16:00, 19 August 2014 (EDT)Lord Hierarch

Infinity, "a ship more powerful than any during the Human-Covenant War" - I disagree
Hi All,

I noticed there's a statement in the second Paragraph of the "Assault on Vadam" sub section which reads "Thel 'Vadam was in talks to visit the UNSC Infinity, a ship more powerful than any during the Human-Covenant War."

As far as I'm concerned there is absolutely no concrete proof that the Infinity is more powerful then other ships fielded by either the UNSC or Covenant pre 2553. I do recall this approximate term coming up in Traviss's The Thurday War however this was only ever made by human commanders and I believe can be discounted as flawed human opinion and ego as UNSC commanders could not know the full capabilities of a Covenant warship of equivalent size to the Infinity having never captained one.

While we haven't seen a direct confrontation between the Infinity and an Covenant warship of equivalent size, Esculation issue 6 depicted a single Covenant space station which was approximately 1/5 the size of the Infinity crippling it with energy blasts before it was ever able to get off a single shot in response.

If the Infinity really was "more powerful than any during the Human-Covenant War", then what happened at Oth Lodon simply should not have happened.

As a result of the latest canon I think we should remove this section as in my opinion if the Infinity cannot take on a static Covenant space station 1/5 of its overall size, what possible chance would it have against a Covenant warship of equivalent size which can also maneuver out of the Infinity's firing ranges?

What everyone else's opinion?
 * I believe the statement is referring to the Infinity being more powerful than any human ship fielded during the war. While the statement is more or less correct, it seems a bit out of place in the article.-- 11:43, 1 October 2014 (EDT)

Hmm...not 100% sure of that considering the Infinity's combat performance to date. (Boarded 3 times, psychically disabled twice, crippled once. Think I'd feel safer commanding a battle of a Marathon-class Cruiser, probably not as much firepower but you at least know the engines aren't going to suddenly develop a mind of their own and disable the rest of the ship...in the middle of a battle)

Would anyone have any objections if I amended "a ship more powerful than any during the Human-Covenant War" to "the UNSC's most advanced warship since the Human-Covenant War."


 * The whole statement comparing Infinity to other ships has already been removed. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 00:06, 2 October 2014 (EDT)

New name
I agree with Jugus, we should rename the article since it appears that there is multiple civil wars going on, not just against the Arbiter. - NightHammer (talk) 17:54, 31 December 2014 (EST)
 * I agree as in addition to the Servants of the Abiding Truth and allied clans attacking the Swords of Sanghelios we also have clans taking the opportunity to attack other clans in conflicts that are for the most part unrelated to the SOS vs SOAT conflict. Sith-venator Wavingstrider Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 19:27, 31 December 2014 (EST)
 * I disagree. There have been plenty of multi-sided civil wars throughout history that have been referred to in the singular. The obvious example of a civil war, the American Civil War, is something of a rarity in terms of how clear-cut the sides were.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2015 (EST)
 * Even then, there were still people, especially out in the mid-west, who drew themselves along pro/anti-slavery partisan lines but were not affiliated or overseen by the "official" players in the war, the bushwackers and jayhawkers, guerilla border-raiders. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   20:54, 1 January 2015 (EST)