Talk:UNSC Marine Corps Battle Dress Uniform

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Is there any prof that the Pilots seen in Halo 3 are Marines they may be Navy pilots instead.

IM sorry for not writing this in my last post but I would like to point out that you can not judge a Persons Branch by there armor. Just because The Pilots armor is similar to the Marines doesnt instantly mean he is a Marine. I would have to say the Navy does most if not all the Dog fighting, that being said the helmets worn by the Pilots in halo 3 are better suited for dog fighting compared to the Marine Pilots helmets in Halo 1&2 which in those screen shots the helmets fit the jobs needed.

If we are to judge the people behind the armor by looks just because something is similar looking that would mean Master Chief is a Marine because I dont think there were any other Navy Spartans, (doesnt matter if there was more most were Marines), all fleet personel in Star Ship troopers is really Mobile infantry because they use the same armor with black coloring instead of gray, all Imperial Navy fighter pilots are really Storm troopers because the face plate is almost the same...

Firstly you should have signed your post. Secondly your a complete moron. All the spartans are Navy personel as shown by the Petty Officer Rank and Lieutenant and Commander in other circumstances. Next this site doesn't talk about Starship Troopers or Star Wars, there fore it doesn't matter what they do in those films. And finally in Halo the uniform does matter. The helmet is just because that particlur unit is a pilot. The navy don't fly hornets unless they have to, Drop ships, Transports and Starships only.

Please don't use your own idea of what you know when talking about things you obviously don't have a clue about. 94.7.11.232 15:05, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

A pet peeve, and a gross inaccuracy
When youse guys are describing armor components, make sure you're not labeling the shoulder pieces as "pads;" we're not talking about football players here, or womens' pantsuits from the '80s, we're talking about ballistic military armor (and sorry for the lack of periods in this post, my laptop was damaged in a car wreck, and I have to cut and paste periods and "l"s until I get it fixed) Griever0311 18:33, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Halo: Reach?
Shouldn't we have a picture of the marine uniform from the game? They released it on Bungie.net and Game Informer. And what is Jacob Keyes doing on the image? Isn't he Navy?--Fluffball Gato 05:21, February 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * The troopers seen in Reach media so far are UNSC Army soldiers instead of marines, as confirmed here. Also, Keyes wears standard marine fatigues in that pic, but I agree that an image of a fully armored Marine would be better.

Camies
Battle Dress Uniform is an Army thing, as Marines we don't refer to our uniforms as BDUs, (lesson i learned the hard way from my Drill Instructor) they are CAMIES
 * U.S. Marines do, do UNSC Marines?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 14:43, April 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Many elements of the UNSC Marine Corps are similar to the U.S Marine Corps. I think that it should at least be mentioned in the article.--Caboose&#39;s Brother 12:38, 26 February 2011 (EST)

Camouflage Patterns
I've been looking at the patterns used in the UNSC Marines' uniforms and I have a identified that:
 * In Halo 1, the camouflage pattern isn't based on any existing camo pattern;
 * In Halo 2, it resembles the Russian Flora pattern;
 * And in Halo 3, it appears to be based off of the British 2 colour-Desert DPM pattern. Nohomers48 11:41, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: Halo Reach's Army and Marine BDUs use camo patterns similar to Multicam, Russian KLMK and TTSkO series patterns .Halo 4's Marine and Army forces don't wear any camouflage patterned BDU, just the multi-coloured fatigues.– File:Lieutenant Grade One.png|20px]] Lt. Nohomers48 (talk • contribs • UserWiki:Nohomers48|wiki]])  03:43, 13 November 2012 (EST)

White coloration
Who in their right mind would make Marine BDUs WHITE? Tex the Spartan
 * Because fashion. How would we know what was going through the minds of Marine uniform board members or 343i artists?
 * Arctic warfare? Considering the nuclear winter that glassing seems to create, I would think it would be a huge stable of the Marine arsenal while fighting on these colonies. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   17:36, 22 March 2013 (EDT)
 * Still, white for the MAIN variant? Also, the only time they tried to retake a glassed world was Harvest. Also, it's not like humanitys fighting on glassed colonies anymore, and the UNSC seems to have modernized its infantry considerably. Making the uniforms white would only make troops a better target.
 * How do we know that the Marines seen on Infinity are representative of all UNSC Marines as of 2557-onwards? We already know that at least a few units were issued with the Insurrection-Era model (which considering H2A I actually see as more of a visual update of M52B) because of Spartan Strike. It's very likely that the Infinity Marine and Army contingents are trialing new prototype BDU's. Besides, in the completely white, spacially restricted interior of Infinity, the lightly-armored white BDU we see in Spartan Ops cutscenes (which you guys seem to assume is the new standard model) makes complete sense. --Grim Looters (talk) 19:12, 28 February 2016 (EST)

There is no such thing as the "Insurrection era BDU"
Seriously, any one who has ever taken a look at the Halo Wars BDU can clearly see that it is a re-imagining of the original Marine BDU from Halo CE, which has since been re-imagined again via Halo Reach and CEA. There's absolutely no evidence to support the notion that they are two separate objects in the Universe. Just like how the Needler from Reach is not meant to be a completely separate Needler to the one in other games, canonically speaking.

Now, the Halo Wars design may live on if that design has in fact overridden the classic Halo 2/Halo 3 designs (which is why I believe the BDU appears in Spartan Strike), but that's neither here nor there. --AlphaBenson (talk) 17:44, 16 July 2015 (EDT)


 * The problem is that what overrides what is all up to interpretation. Sure, "Insurrection era BDU" is probably an inaccurate label (the only "accurate" way to list the variants would be to do it by game/work), but it's hard for us to say a design overrides another without veering into fan fiction. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 01:42, 17 July 2015 (EDT)


 * Unless there's some official word that the two models are canonically the same, there's no reason to think they are. -- Our answer is at hand. Gravemind.svg ( Talk to me. ) 17:55, 17 July 2015 (EDT)
 * And yet, this is something we've always done. Whenever two things have been very similar in appearance to each other, we have generally assumed them to be the same entity, until stated otherwise. For example, the Sangheili have been given several different designs as the series has gone on, and yet, we have never acted like each Sangheili design was a subspecies or variant, or anything of that sort. The ONLY reason why we treat the Halo 4 Jackals as a subspecies is because it has been stated that they are, in fact, a sub species. Prior to that, Halopedia had the Halo 4 Jackal as the Kig-Yar's article picture, obviously suggesting that Halopedia believed that the new Kig-Yar design was a retcon. And I'm sure no one here actually believes that the H2A Campaign SMG is a completely different model than the H2A Multiplayer SMG. --AlphaBenson (talk) 18:38, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

Interestingly, considering the visual developments of Halo 2 Anniversary, if anything the 'Insurrection Era' model actually seems to be a visual update of the M52B body armor previously seen in the original versions of Halo 2 and Halo 3, thought I guess we'd need to see Marines in a Halo 3 Anniversary game before we knew for sure.--Grim Looters (talk) 19:06, 28 February 2016 (EST)

This Page is in Need of Minor Overhaul...
Look, I don't know who came up with the idea of the four different BDU's, but they were on the right track. But I personally think it needs to be more flexible. The following are just a few little ideas that have been niggling at me since Halo 2 Anniversary was released.

Firstly, I think it's very likely that what we're calling the 'Insurrection-Era' BDU is actually a visual update on the M52B BDU from Halo 2 and Halo 3. Up until now, we assumed that the Marines in Halo 2 were wearing a low-detail version of the M52B, but now they're suddenly wearing a variant of the armor that would have been considered out of date in H2A? Not likely. I'm not saying a major change needs to be made, but I think the article could do with some restructuring following the visual updates of the Anniversary games. I guess we'll just have to wait until Halo 3 Anniversary (if it happens) to know for sure.

Secondly, I disagree with referring to the BDU seen in Reach and CE as the 'Cross-branch BDU'. I mean, all we know for sure about it is that it's the BDU primarily used by the UNSC Army. Wouldn't it make sense to simply make note of the fact that the UNSC Marine Corps makes use of the Army's BDU on certain occasions, likely because of logistical ease.

Anyway, that's all I got. Just some suggestions. --Grim Looters (talk) 19:46, 28 February 2016 (EST)