Talk:UNSC Infinity

Halo 4
You'll have to forgive me becuse I'm new to the wiki but here gose nothing. I noticed that there wasn't anything about what it could be doing in Halo 4. Are there any leads about that that people can't put in the artical becuse it's unconfirmed? Jac0bBau3r1995 01:30, 11 November 2011 (EST)
 * Considering the game is still over a year from release, it's not surprising at all that there is no info on what it's doing in Halo 4 as of yet.-- Lt. Commander  光环的家伙1234   Talk  ( Contribs ) ( Edits ) 01:35, 11 November 2011 (EST)

The UNSC Infinity has been mentioned various times in association with Halo 4. The artwork of the Infinity is from the Halo 4 panel. ADinoSupremacist

Already?
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this could have been made already. First of all, the first time they have ever even seen Forerunner technology was just 4 (or so) months ago when Cortana came back to Earth. Second, humanity and ONI are now just jumping on the idea of Covenant technology, the technology that Cortana brought back, that the Separatists are showing them, and the amount they have been able to reverse-engineer; much less something like Forerunners. Third, Cortana only brought back software, and they have only been able to see actual Forerunner hardware on Trevelyan. Fourth, ships take a long time to make, I don't care if you're talking about a super-advanced Covenant warship or a UNSC battle-cruiser. Ships take a LONG time to make. So I don't see how they could have constructed anything in that time.

So I have a few theories. Maybe this originally started out as the UNSC just building an experimental really-awesome, super huge and super powerful warship.. But then after they started discovering Covenant technology (i.e., incorporating plasma hand-held weapons on a large scale), they changed it from just a really strong warship, to a place to test out their attempts at reverse engineering Covenant technology on a large scale (and stuff like the Ascendant Justice helped speed that along quite well). Then, after they got the Halo data, they changed it from a Covenant reverse-engineering project to a Forerunner data incorporation program.

So the way I picture Infinity is not a well uniformed, perfectly functional Forerunner warship. Rather a clunky, very jumbled piece of ship-ery. With some parts being advanced human warship, some parts being attempted Covenant reverse engineering, and some (probably the smallest, read my first reason in the first paragraph) parts being attempted reverse-enginnered Forerunner technology.

Also this is not to say at all that Infinity will be anything close to even the weakest of Forerunner ships, for reasons like the ones I said above and things like it took the Covenant thousands of years to reverse-engineer their technology to the level that they had, and it still wasn't anything close to achieving its full power.

So yeah, I like to think of Infinity as a very jumbled, very ununiform piece of technology. Think of it as a mid-pubecent teenager. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  18:34, 12 November 2011 (EST)!


 * You don't give Humanity very much credit. They have had extensive access to Forerunner artifacts since 2531 on Arcadia. Also, Halsey had access to that Forerunner complex on Reach for like a year. Noble team spent what seemed like an hour as she dowloaded all of her data. You're right when you say it was probably already a different class, but they did have lots of time to create the enchancements. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  08:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * Yeah, but the San Shyuum' had unrestricted access to a fucking Forerunner Dreadnought for thousands of years and look how much they managed to reverse engineer it. Vegerot goes RAWR! Icon-Vegito2.gif Vegerot  ( talk )  10:57, 13 November 2011 (EST)!


 * Fatalsnipe: they do have access to those artefacts, but I would have assume that to crack that Forerunner technology would require within a century to crack it. It took a group of human scientists almost 20+ years to construct a proper shielding system for the MJOLNIR using Kig-yar defense gauntlet as a reference, a technology that was alien to them and almost non-existent. Those scientists were still unable to figure out how Covenant weapons function (i.e. Needler being the best example) even till the end of the Human-Covenant War. But within several years after the war, they manage to crack every alien technology as if they've stumbled upon a "How-To-Use/DIY" manual? It's all too iffy to me.— subtank  12:44, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * Cortana's information from Installation 04 may be just the "How-To-Use/DIY" manual you describe. We have no idea what that data was, and even Cortana didn't seem to be too clear. For all we know, it might have been step-by-step instructions of how to assemble Forerunner legos, or a guide to understanding and translating their spoken and mathematical languages. Humanity was working on the problem for 20+ years with little idea what they were really dealing with, and only poor knockoffs to work from, which would present their own unique problems. Even the Prophets didn't fully understand what they were dealing with. With some context, and some "pure" examples of Forerunner technology with none of the flaws to scratch their heads at, the time could be radically cut. I do agree that it seems a bit soon to have a testbed ship in service already, but I was looking forward to a century-long cryo-sleep for the Chief and for the old hero to be reawakened in a new and strange world, both literally and figuratively. I guess I'm just like that. And let's not forget that even prototypes aren't perfect - when they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked! --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   17:00, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * Yeah, but when Pirates of the Carribean breaks down, it doesn't cause a cataclysmic slipspace eruption that swallows the ship. Lol, I had to. Anyways, I agree, it isn't likely but it is feasible. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  17:16, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * And that is the question: what is the data recovered from the Halo? I would say building Forerunner legos; you can almost build anything with the power of imagination! :P — subtank  17:26, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Yeah, like I said, Forerunner. It definitely isn't perfect, and in my mind I picture it as more of a clunky, jumbled-up thing rather than a fully functional Forerunner ship of war. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  17:25, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

I'm assuming humanity's Reclaimer status also had something to do with our rapid grasp of Forerunner technology - either that or it was part of the geas implanted by the Forerunners SPARTAN-347 23:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Hmmm, didn't think of that. Which is funny because I was the one who came up with that theory in the first place, derp. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  23:12, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

Humanity also had all the of the Huragok they brought back on the Gettysburg, and then Vergil. So they could have quickly managed to bring things online... and we don't know how long M.P. and Oni have known about Installation 03. A functioning sane Monitor, or... even an insane one... could have helped them along. ProphetofTruth 23:40, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Actually, at the beginning it says that they had 5 more Halos to find. Which means that they had known about Installation 03 for around 4 months AT MOST. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  19:59, 15 November 2011 (EST)

I personally think that humanity would really be that fast with forerunner technologie. Because the San Shyuum didn't acces the Dreadnought they also didn't found other thinks, see contact Harvest. The humans however, didn't mind toutching the forerunner tech, and as such they would be faster with engineering!--Bdgroot-117 13:23, 23 December 2011 (EST)
 * True, but you're forgetting the thousands of years when the San 'Shyuum locked themselves in the Dreadnought and while they were in space.  (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!'' 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!

Just a reminder, Glasslands said that workers were stationed in the Oort cloud over several YEARS, not months. Obviously this tells me they began working on the ship at least sometime between 2540-2552. Humans were reverse-engineering covenant technology since 2532, so the UNSC Infinity makes perfect sense. They simply made the decision to conceal it from the covenant (and everyone else) by enforcing a communications blackout and having it constructed somewhere the covenant wouldn't give a crap about. Thus humanity was given an opportunity to pour every piece of covenant & forerunner tech into it without it being destroyed like other advance tech before it. Also it is quite possible that there is more than one of these kinds of ships being constructed in the same place considering there were two "Infinity's" in the concept picture. Hopefully Halo 4 and the sequel to Glasslands will explain what we want to know.--Killamint 15:00, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * Hmm.. Interesting theory.. I will keep that in the back of my head.--Bdgroot-117 15:20, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * Even a modern, non-space ship, takes many many years to build. But yeah, which is exactly why I said what I said in the initial post.  So does that mean you agree?  (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!'' 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!


 * I agree with you that the ship could have taken many years to build. However, considering it's the 2500's, construction methods & times may be a lot different than today and it may take shorter amounts of time to construct massive mile-long ships than ever thought possible. Also, I just don't agree with your theory that not much development/research had gone into covey/forn tech until Cortana came back w/ 4 months worth of forerunner tech. I'm basically going off canon info- seeing that the UNSC had a prototype tank that fired plasma rounds in 2531, that tech could have been shipped back to the Infinity construction site- it even says: "...the data gleaned from the Rhino's development and use was later used on other projects." So to me it's quite possible. Now maybe not much forerunner tech had been reversed-engineered, so it may not be much of a comparison w/ actual forerunner ships, but humanity is just getting back on their feet after years of fighting a powerful foe. Give them a chance! My bad for talking your head off but hard to explain myself in short sentences.--Killamint 13:39, 22 February 2012 (EST)

Well the San 'Shyuum did have thousands of years to grow their empire, but they also had many hurdles:
 * Firstly, they had an incredibly small amount of San 'Shyuum with very limited gene pool to reproduce. They had an entire city to build from just a thousand of them.
 * Secondly, for the first one thousand years, they had little competition to advance. The only other intelligent species were the ones left behind on their planet (It'd be really interesting if 343i did a vid or a book on the Stoics). Even after coming into contact with the Sangheilis, they made peace. It seems as if every species they came in contact with were allied with the Covenant, meaning that a military force was necessary, but there was no cold war pushing them to advance. The UNSC was facing genocide, that's a real butt kicker to get going.
 * Thirdly, they were the first to attempt reverse engineering Forerunner technology. And all they had to study was the single Dreadnought. The Dreadnought is still a ship with massive armaments, shielding and armor, but it's hard to take apart a ship while living on it. Not sure how much any of you know anything about reverse engineering, but you can't just look at an artifact, you have to dissect it if you want to learn anything.
 * Fourthly, humanity advanced beyond the San 'Shyuum in ancient times, is it childish to say that humans are simply smarter? And of course the Covenant had Huragok, but we don't know when they were discovered (so we don't know how much of a head start they had), and the Huragok are computers that lack most consciousness. Computers don't have creativity. They can't come up with creative solutions to problems such as reverse engineering. And of what personalities we can detect from Huragok, they largely oppose the Covenant. Don't forget that the UNSC captured many Huragok that went into the building of the Infinity. They could have captured entire plans that would have taken hundreds of years for the UNSC to build and incorporate themselves otherwise.
 * Fifthly, the Covenant are religious zealots. Who knows what kind of restrictions they put on their scientists from researching the technology.

That's all I can think of for the moment, but the bottom line is that it was much easier for the UNSC to accomplish the construction and reverse engineering than it was for the Covenant.

Dustin Nugget 22:34, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Concern over updated image
I found an updated, higher quality image of the UNSC Infinity. This is NOT a scan therefore it is allowed. Images of the same nature are allowed on this site so why not this one? The main image for this article is taken from a camera and is poorer quality than this one and is also outdated since the new UNSC logo is visible on the ship. It's the same image that we have on the article except it has the Game Informer logo on it. --ADinoSupremacist 15:38, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

First appearance in The Thursday War?
Since the Infinity is clearly seen on the cover of The Thursday War, would this make it the first actual appearance and not Halo 4? --ADinoSupremacist 19:25, 4 May 2012 (EDT)


 * Nope. It first appeared in the concept art of Halo 4. That should be its first appearance since that was first revealed to the public. — subtank   19:33, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

Though when Noble Team first appeared in Deliver Hope, that counts as their first appearance, not Reach. So if the Infinity is in The Thursday War (not a reference, but it's actually in the book) then it counts as a first appearance while Halo 4 will be a first in-game appearance. Many Halo elements appeared in the books first. --ADinoSupremacist 04:36, 5 May 2012 (EDT)


 * While I will still stick to my opinion, I don't know how we can resolve this appearance issue. Perhaps the users behind these "List of appearances" project could provide their input? — subtank   11:00, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
 * If in fact the Infinity is in The Thursday War, it would be it's first appearance since the novel is set to be released before Halo 4. The Infinity should still have for it's appearance in Glasslands. Also, we didn't include the Infinity appearing in Halo 4 just because it was shown concept art for the game (concept art does not constitute as an appearance, just look at the ). We waited until it was confirmed by 343i to be in the game.--Gravemind.svg  Col. Spartacus  Talk Page Contributions  11:11, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Possible link/ reference in Halo 3: ODST
Just read the "Mombasa Streets" article, in the easter eggs section, it says that the Asklon charts go from December to Infinity, from which it links to the Halopedia disambigution page for the word Infinity.

Is this really a link to the UNSC Infinity? Could Asklon be a government contractor related to the ship? Was this placed by 343?--Matt98 06:57, 14 October 2012 (EDT)


 * It's a coincidence. In one of the Sparkasts - #11, I believe - Frankie and the other guys talk about how Infinity was not conceived until early 2010. The Easter egg is actually a reference to Bungie's Marathon Infinity. --Courage never dies. 09:44, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

Oh Ok. Thanks!--Matt98 14:49, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

Infinity escort group
In Halo 4 forward unto dawn last part it made clear that the fleet escorting the Infinity is far more numerous that what it is said on the page (7 halcyon cruiser and 2 paris class frigates). Indeed in the last seen i have counted at least 20 ships not counting the Infinity itself, i think the article should reflect that. C F 0 0 1 15:10, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

At the end of Forward Unto Dawn film it shows many more ships than stated in this page. Also in Spartan Ops the UNSC Infinity is shown to hold several Paris-class Frigates within the bottom on it's hull to add to this. VARGR 19:52, 8 November 2012 (EST)

Weaponry...?
After playing the game all of the way through now, I have to wonder if the stats on the Waypoint Interactive Guide for the Infinity's weapons are complete and/or accurate. The site, and everything else, says its primary armament consists of 4 CR-08 MACs. Now, I'm not a physicist, but I'm pretty sure a coilgun doesn't doesn't look like that when it fires. That's all I'll say on the subject, in the interests of not spoiling it for those of you who haven't reached that point yet. Play it all the way through first & you'll see what I mean.

I agree too !! It looks like energy projectors or some kind of beam weapon, definitely not a MAC - bengeo1191


 * If you played Halo 3, you'll know that that is indeed what a MAC shot looks like. When the frigates fire on the Forerunner Dreadnought, it also looks like a beam. It's just how the game designers wanted it to look like. 91.177.183.42 04:46, 14 November 2012 (EST)


 * The MACs in Halo 3 are brief bursts, creating a plasma trail by superheading the air the projectile is passing through. It's the same reason why the sniper rifle leaves a trail in the air. The Infinity's weapons are more similar to sustained laser beams. We don't know that these are the main armaments of the Infinity - they may be specialised weapons to bring down shields, allowing the powerful MACs to hit the unshielded target. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   06:41, 14 November 2012 (EST)

Am I the only 1 that noticed that the Infinity is equipped with a network of Mark 2488 Magnetic Accelerator Cannon look alike weapons like Del Rio said the infinity have an network of these. Maybe we could mention them in the weapon section. C F 0 0 1 12:53, 17 November 2012 (EST)


 * I agree, but there's a reason 343i didn't include it in their armament. Most likely because their armament list of the Infinity was for ship to ship combat weaponry, mass drivers don't seem to be all that capable in space. It's also possible that they just left it out for practical reasons to not list every single weapon system on the ship. I vote we add it to its armament, but we should for further input before we make a decision. -Dustin Nugget 13:59, 17 November 2012 (EST)


 * If nobody disagree i'll change the notice saying at least 1 Mac to a network of MAC like Del Rio mention that the MAC network need to be reinitialized manually. C F 0 0 <font color="GreenYellow">1 14:09, 17 November 2012 (EST)

I too would like to sustain that the Infinity's main battery is definitely not MACs. These are sustained beams of energy, as evidenced by their behavior and sound.-- Fluffy Emo Penguin ( ice quack! ) 22:27, 18 December 2012 (EST)

I'd have to agree that those two shots were energy weapons. Infinity is described as having 4 mac guns in the lay-out image, and Lasky says fire main batteries. Why would only two cannons fire as opposed to all 4 when they're dealing with a ship that has been unscathed by the super-macs firing at in from orbit, as well as an entire fleet. ProphetofTruth 22:34, 18 December 2012 (EST)

New Picture
Now that Halo 4 has been released, surely we should replace the current image from the concept art trailer with one from the actual game. Any suggestions/comments? --Cyrannian 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Shielding
While the picture does show what might be shields, I think we should hold off on making it an official part of the ship; that or at least show that energy shielding is still unconfirmed by 343i thus far.

Anyone disagree?

Dustin Nugget 21:48, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Cutscene during Requiem, Del Rio says "Infinity's shields are still down." It's confirmed. Col.  Snipes  4  50  23:57, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Supercarrier Status
I know the Infinity is not technically one, but I think that it's pretty obvious that it is. It's the biggest ship ever created by (modern) humanity, meaning that past supercarriers have been made smaller. The Infinity is loaded with ground and air vehicles, it definitly qualifies as a supercarrier, even if its main purpose is for science. And by the way, it does some ship to ship combat too. - Dustin Nugget 6:11, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * More like a Command ship/Fleet flagship/Mini-mothership in comparison to warships in a dozen other science fiction games (example)... its a self-contained city, with its own fabrication facilities/shipyards... even launched frigate/destroyer sized vessels as if they were space fighters! --71.160.93.144 06:36, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * So even more than a supercarrier? -Dustin Nugget 6:55, 17 November 2012 (EST)


 * The problem is that it doesn't really fit ANY traditional definition of warship. It's not a battleship, it's not a carrier, and it's not strictly a troopship. And the name "supercarrier" has always been vague, even in real life. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   07:24, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * A battlestar?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 17:56, 17 November 2012 (EST)
 * "Command vessel" is probably the most apt term with the information we've been given. It serves as the flagship for both Fleet Command and its own escort squadrons of cruisers and frigates, not to mention the ten escorts embarked within her hull. In all actuality however, Everest, Cole's flagship, and modern-day command vessels are either modified cruisers or ships designed specifically for the role. Given that Infinity can embark her own escorts, dozens of strike fighter and Marine multi-role squadrons, and thousands in Marine and Spartan landing forces, I would actually label her as an "assault carrier" in the vain of the former Covenant's CAS-class. But I agree with Sitari, battlestar is the best term. :P

unsc technology
I know that the technology of this ship is the most advanced but its still seems to mostly human technology we are still using macs and missiles, the hall still uses titatium alloy armour and most of it still has a human design to it. Spartan Matt 00:18, 5 December 2012 (EST)


 * Of course it is. To use a quote from Stargate" SG-1, "good ol' American know-how" and whatnot. Engines are Forerunner, but most everything else is Earth-human technology. Though I imagine some of it is reverse-engineered from Forerunner technology. But I bet the weapons systems are not reverse-engineered, or upgraded from or with Forerunner technology. --Xamikaze330 (talk|contribs) 00:34, 5 December 2012 (EST)Xamikaze330

True true but at least this any covenant capital ships arse this ship does which is awesome. It would probably take a few inifinity classes to go up against the covenant supercarrier but this ship and its design would have been awesome against the covenant during the war the problem is the cost it takes construct an infinity class crusier :SSpartan Matt 21:58, 9 December 2012 (EST)