Talk:Jul 'Mdama

Jul 'Mdama Voice Actor
Who voices Jul 'Mdama? Shouldn't this information be added to the article's trivia section? --Xamikaze330 (talk|contribs) 11:57, 18 January 2013 (EST)Xamikaze330
 * Found the name, thank you Google. Mdama's voice actor is Travis Willingham.-- 12:05, 18 January 2013 (EST)
 * You're kidding me! Jul shares a voice actor with Roy "The Flame Alchemist" Mustang?!--  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   04:12, 19 January 2013 (EST)

Needs Quotes Page
This page needs a quotes page, doesn't it? Someone should add it. I can work on it when I can, but I expect to be real busy in the next few hours in the next few days. There are things that need doing. That, and I'm not very good at auditory processing when it comes to verbal stuff I can't see written. -- Xamikaze330  [Transmission |Commencing ] 12:48, 30 October 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
 * I don't see why not. I can work on one later if someone doesn't beat me to the punch.-- 16:38, 30 October 2013 (EDT)

Daughters?
Where was it mentioned that he had daughters? Forgotten Helljumper 01:20, 1 November 2013 (EDT)

Eyes
Jul has orange eyes. What makes them seem blue is the light of the Librarian's shrine.The Master Builder (talk) 09:45, 23 August 2014 (EDT)
 * What gets me is, why are his eyes "canonically" grey, if most of the depictions show him as being red-eyed?67.61.152.157 20:45, 27 December 2016 (EST)

Jul's Arrival to Requem
It's stated Jul 'Mdama was at the Didact's Cryptum, but there was no Sangheili in blue Zealot Armor, plus with Gek 'Lhar's statement about how he hadn't expected the Didact's Hand so soon, leads me to think that the sangheili who calls the didact's name when John 117 releases him was just an unnamed Sangheili. Delta LXVII (talk) 16:17, 16 January 2015 (EST)
 * 343i stating that Jul was in Halo 4 is likely just a retcon. After the game was released, they probably just decided that they wanted to have Jul witness the Didact's awakening. Additionally, he could have been off-screen. And there was six months between Halo 4 and Spartan Ops, so Jul's appearance on Requiem in Episode 3 may have been his first time on the planet since Halo 4. Also Gek's comment could imply that he didn't expect Jul to arrive only at the Librarian's Rest "so soon". - NightHammer (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Can I use this talk page to discus an important spoiler regarding Jul IF I use the spoiler tag
For example if I use this

Can I post spoilers about Jul? I ask this because an official IGN and Gamespot playthrough of Halo 5 happened, and it reveals important information about Jul. Can I discuss it if it's spoiler tagged? Thanks Editorguy (talk) 19:28, 15 October 2015 (EDT)

No, game isn't out yet. Alertfiend - Team Chief 20:09, 15 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Right, but this isn't a leak. Snark without a bark (talk) 20:28, 15 October 2015 (EDT)
 * Right, but it is a spoiler, this game is still not out yet so it shouldn't be added. Alertfiend - Team Chief 20:32, 15 October 2015 (EDT)
 * We only accept content from official parties (Microsoft and 343i only). Anything from another party is considered a spoiler and shall not be allowed on the wiki until the day of release. This discussion is over.-- 00:13, 16 October 2015 (EDT)
 * But these sources are authorized by 343 and Microsoft. The rules state that "Information officially released by 343 will still be accepted", and this is 100% an official release of information. Sgt_Rorschach 15:36, 16 October 2015 (EDT)


 * But it wasn't released by 343, seriously? Alertfiend - Team Chief 16:07, 16 October 2015 (EDT)


 * To some extent I can see the opposing argument. Yes, 343 didn't release this footage themselves, but it was clearly authorized by them, otherwise IGN would've been told to take down the video by now. But at the same time, the extent of the footage is so large and plot-changing that it's better to keep it under wraps for now for anybody who wants to experience the first level unspoiled. If 343 were to all of a sudden release the entire story online today, I'd still recommend keeping it off until the official release date, for those who actually want to play the game first. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 16:18, 16 October 2015 (EDT)


 * So, Sunaion's Waypoint article spoils it as well... -- NightHammer (talk)(contribs) 22:24, 17 October 2015 (EDT)
 * I was about to post that aswell, I still believe we should wait to post it on this page, but okay to post it or avoid it on the Sunaion page. Alertfiend - Team Chief 22:25, 17 October 2015 (EDT)


 * I avoided mentioning it for now. -- NightHammer (talk)(contribs) 22:26, 17 October 2015 (EDT)


 * The spoiler has been removed in the original Waypoint article for now. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   22:56, 17 October 2015 (EDT)


 * Guess 343i didn't mean to release the spoiler at the moment. The mention of the reactivation of the Guardian was removed too. -- NightHammer (talk)(contribs) 22:58, 17 October 2015 (EDT)

Jul's death date
The page has no source for his death date, and near as I can tell, there is no source for the mission to Kamchatka. Never mind that October 4th has some serious problems with established canon.


 * Good question. I'm pretty sure that the date was never established and it's not shown in any cutscenes on the same day. I'll make the necessary amends (I'm presuming the mission to Kamchatka still takes place in October). -- NightHammer (talk)(contribs) 15:50, 10 November 2015 (EST)


 * Yeah, I would assume it was still in October, hell, right around or just before Blue Team's mission (which was sure right before Meridian). Toa Freak (talk) 16:06, 10 November 2015 (EST)


 * It does seem like Osiris begins their mission to Meridian basically the same day or the next after Kamchatka (and I now see the thread for this on reddit lol). -- NightHammer (talk)(contribs) 16:08, 10 November 2015 (EST)


 * That's the feeling I got when playing. And yeah, Reddit brought me here. Toa Freak (talk) 17:51, 10 November 2015 (EST)

Jul leaving the Covenant during the Great Schism.
It's safe to say that Jul left the Covenant during the Great Schism. Jul is an Elite, as such he was kicked out of the Covenant during the Great Schism like the rest of his species. Even if he wanted to stay, Truth's Brutes would have killed him as ordered. Halopedia even says


 * "These events led the entire Sangheili species to secede from the Covenant" http://www.halopedia.org/Sangheili#The_Great_Schism
 * "High Prophet of Truth had ordered the genocide of the entire Sangheili race." http://www.halopedia.org/Sangheili

Halo Waypoint even says


 * "The resulting conflict would be called the Great Schism, and it would divide the Covenant into two, ultimately forcing the Sangheili out (of the Covenant)." https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/universe/species/jiralhanae

Furthermore, Jul dropped the "ee" suffix from his name, symbolising that he left the Covenant during the Great Schism.


 * "Jul ‘Mdamaee served as the shipmaster of the ORS Heavy Cruiser Blight of the Profane " https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/canon-fodder-reqlamation-begins

It is clear that like all Covenant Elites, he left the Covenant. And even if he wanted to stay, he literally couldn't as Truth's order would have him killed. Editorguy (talk) 23:05, 5 July 2016 (EDT)


 * I am talking about him being in charge of the ship at the end of the war, while yes it is safe to assume it, there is no reason to actually state that he was removed from the Covenant since we have no information of him during the schism (beginning), if we added this we might as well (by we I mean you) add it to every single Sangheili page. Alertfiend - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. (Converse) 02:00, 6 July 2016 (EDT)


 * The facts of the universe tell us that it would have been impossible for him to stay with Truth ordering the genocide of the Elites, and Jul's removal of the "ee" suffix confirm it. Facts should trump opinions. However, because this isn't really that a big deal (and the lack of including it wouldn't imply the opposite right?), it's not worth edit warring over, I'll let you win this one.Editorguy (talk) 04:03, 6 July 2016 (EDT)


 * 1) He was never mentioned during the Schism which means we do not mention it, easy. 2) This is a wiki, not a contest, no one wins or loses. Alertfiend - Warning, my comments may appear passive aggressive. (Converse) 16:48, 6 July 2016 (EDT)