Talk:Reclaimer

Reclaimer could mean anything meant to "reclaim" halo from the flood, meaning any potential vector for the flood that (according to the monitors) are allowed to activate Halo. In other words humans, the destroyers of the "great journey" are the only ones allowed to start it, including the olny ones allowed to start reclaiming Halo from the flood out break.

As for time travel, I find it a very possible thing, Perhaps in trying to destroy the Ark MAster Chief and the Arbiter are sent to the past?

No! Thats stupid, that would make Halopedia worse then Star Trek, with its crappy aleternate Universe and mirror universe and time travel episodes!--JohnSpartan117 05:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, I dont think it was time travel! Seriously, obviously another reclaimer came there! The Forerunners damn it!--JohnSpartan117 05:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

You all are acting like time travel hasn't already occured in Halo. In Halo:First Strike, the radiation from the "Forerunner object" coupled with the unusual physics of slipspace created a bubble with which the Gettysburg/Ascendent Justice travelled through time and space backwards. This shows, that since the forerunner ship on High Charity has slipspace capabilities, the forerunner would have the capabilities to travel through time. Also, this could lead to Master Chief executing his own little time warp.

Just saying; Arguments should have substance not just exclamation points. CaptainAdamGraves 22:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

"Why do you hesitate to do what you've already done?"
I say that this means. Since he has already put the index in the computer that hes just going to stop it instep of going ahead with what he did. Gzalzi 02:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC) (Sorry I made this a good bit ago before a was a Member.)

I agree, but it also may be referring to how 343 thinks John-117 is a Forerunner, and since in 343's mind John is a forerunner, he thinks he built it.--JohnSpartan117 05:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * But just after that, he says, "Last time, you asked me, if it was my choice, would I do it? Having considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. We must activate the ring." He thinks (IMO) John is the same one who activated Halo the first time, possibly because he's insane ("Oh, hello!"). --Dragonclaws 06:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah he's insane probaly because A.I's "think" themselves to death

Notice when 343 said "Careful, this reclaimer is delicate" referring to Miranda Keyes?

"Why do you hesitate to do what you've already done?" is a queastion to the Chief as to why he will not kill when he has spent the past few hours killing Flood and his life killing with out a problem.-- MCDBBlits 21:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that (above) is actually one of the better guesses ive herd. good thinkin' Fork  TALK • MESSAGE

Maybe the forerunners are the people who taught humans how to build?
The forerunners came and helped the egyptions build the pyramids, and wrote down somewhere in hyroglyphics (sp?) that they would eventually have to forfill the roles as a reclaimer to kill all the flood.

This is just an idea, but it does help explain why there is a hidden building under Mombassa in Halo 3.
 * uhh...that sounds like AvP. Cheers, 49 Proximal Secant[ oracle ][[Image:H3 Monitor.PNG|25px]] 19:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

That sounds more like the Greys instead of Forerunners

No, you're thinking of the Elohim or the Terrestial Reptoids.--0nyx Sp1k3r 23:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)BLARG!!!

Actually, this theory sounds plausable. Anyone read the Halo 3 Comic? -- Knuxchao 16:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Uh, guys.

The Forerunners were the ordinary, everyday, plain Jane human race, same as you, me, and Master Chief, before the first activation of the rings. They basically wiped out their own civilization, except for a few pockets, such as New Mombassa. Without access to all their technology, they had to start all over from scratch.

Issues with the first two alternate theories
Here is my little argument in a nutshell: I do not like the way these alternate theories are set up. I get a general idea of what they're trying to say, but the word choice just completely annihilates almost any comprehension of the main idea of the theories.

Suggested solution: We try to determine the core idea of each of the above alternate theory and proceed to rewrite them, making sure we can make each theory as clear as possible. -- TheObviousOne

spartans as reclaimers/forerunners
my theory is that the spartans are acctualy decendents of forerunners, because the spartans had biological implants in them as well as the cybernetic ones that ony a few people with certain genes. my theory is that these genes are those of the forerunners. but i know that if all humans or only the ones suitable to become spartans are decendents of forerunners that the mastercheif is one because in Halo: The Flood, it references that mastercheif was able to activate anything he needed to from the control panels on the halo ring that he needed to, even though he didnt know what he was doing.

But a Sargent was selected as well as Miranda

The Sergeant in question was Sergeant Major Avery J. Johnson from the first and second games and is thought to be a Spartan I. Something that should be noted that a Onyx Sentinel chasing Spartan-III G099 attempted to communicate with him, calling him a Reclaimer before reclassifies him as an "aboriginal sub-species" after he fails to respond, this is important because it means that any one with Spartan level Augmentation is the Forerunners(in humans anyway). It is also important to note that when the Spartan-III project was being considered the UNSC brass talk about expanding the Spartan Augmentation to the species in the future.-- MCDBBlits 21:36, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I thought, that most reclaimers would be people who are sufficent in their ability to NOT get infected. The Sargaent in Halo: The Flood was twisted out of shape beyond the use of the flood. MasterChief has class 2 combat armour Johnson has a disease that disables a infection form's ability to infect him. However most of the people of harvest and commander keyes could probably be infected. -Natdogg1

i always thought that any human was a decendant of the forerunners, not just spartans. if it was just spartans, then explain how miranda keyes is a reclaimer, johnson is a reclaimer, and that sargeant from halo: the flood was a reclaimer. -Spike117

- - Yeah, all human beings are descended from the Forerunners who survived the last (and only) Halo activation in the Ark. No human being, Spartan or otherwise, is any more or less a Forerunner than any other human being. "Reclaimer" just means that you're going to either reclaim the resources of the Halo (remember how the Monitor is always bragging about his library?), or reclaim the rest of the galaxy by using the Halo to destroy the Flood. I.E., a reclaimer is just a survivor of any given Halo activation who has returned to a Halo. Presumably the combat skin isn't actually required, just a helpful accessory if there are Flood around who will infect you without armor plating and an energy shield.

0nyx Sp1k3r's Theories
I think that when the forerunners activated the halo first time it didn't kill all the forerunners of but some of them survived (it might also help explain how the flood survived)so anyways if the lacerta files are right maybe the gamma radiation burst from halo sped up the evolution process and caused them to evolve into a new subspecies humans or maybe caused a pandemic of extreme amnesia and affected the neuros of they're brains? wow! I type as much as I talk and that's ALOT!!!!--0nyx Sp1k3r 22:37, 21 April 2007 (UTC)BLARG!

Weapons
humanity never uses conventional complex energy weapons like plasma based weaponry same thing with the the forerunners, only simple energy weapons like laserbeams and projectiles.that could be another conection between the Humans and the Forerunners.--0nyx Sp1k3r 00:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)BLARG!
 * Err...all Covenant weapons are Forerunner weapons, too. -The Dark Lord Azathoth 18:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, my theory based on information gathered from various parts claims that most humans are forerunners (as established before) because of their weapons. In the first halo handbook that comes with the game, it sais that covenant energy weapons were reverse engineered from forerunner artifacts. Opposite of energy=physical weapons=projectile weapons=human/forerunner weapons. -Natdogg1

"Reverse engineer" means "find, take apart, and build a new one," it doesn't mean you're building something that's the opposite of what you reverse engineered. See, the Covenant discovered Forerunner technology and studied it, and that was how they've been able to build their own plasma rifles and such. Meaning the Forerunners had plasma rifles.

The technology doesn't matter, though, because technology isn't hereditary.

Wow.
Wow. I can't believe it took so long for me to realise this. Every time a Forerunner construct identifies a reclaimer, its on a Halo. MC and the other crewmen fo the PoA on Alpha Halo, and Miranda Keys and the MC again on Delta Halo. I think i've finally found out the defining feature of a Reclaimer - they must have at least some knowledge about the Forerunners.

Think about it. On both Halo's, simply being there could be interpreted as knowing about its origins. But on Onyx, SIII Ash encounters and communicates with a Sentinel and has no idea what it is or who created it, and so is classified a non-reclaimer.

Just my take on it. any thoughts?

Kora ‘Morhekee The Battle-Net My Conquests. 08:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't read GoO in a while, but aren't the humans of Onyx classified as a reclaimer subspecies? -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 08:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No. the sentinel he meets is trying to decide whether he is or isnt a Reclaimer, and eventually decides he's an "aboriginal subspecies" - Not a reclaimer, because he has no idea what it is. [[Image:HalfJaw03.jpg|30px]] Kora ‘Morhekee The Battle-Net My Conquests. 23:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * But if he's a subspecies, that means he's still a Reclaimer, he's just not the right kind of Reclaimer. The Human species is "homo sapiens". The subspecies to which all modern humans belong is "homo sapiens sapiens". But maybe Reclaimers are "homo sapiens reclaimerus." Sentinel sees Ash. It wonders if he is "reclaimerus" and thus helpful, or "sapiens", and thus just a potential vector. Unable to tell which by sight (due to his armor), it asks for a confirmation. He fails to provide it, at which point is decides he is not a Reclaimer.

Hmm. Confirmation, passwords, proper responses...

...is it possible that the Reclaimers were some sort of elite Forerunner military unit?

-The Dark Lord Azathoth 18:02, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The final episode of the IRIS ARG has pretty much said that humans are reclaimers ar ehumans because the Forerunners found us just before they killed themselves off, protecting us, because our planet was an enigma to them.  Kora ‘Morhekee   The Battle-Net  My Conquests.  01:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

What?
Why does it say the Forerunners wrote the bible???  Kora ‘Morhekee   The Battle-Net  My Conquests.  03:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

"Reclaimer literally means Humans"
I added a large part, meant to persuade people it was true, backed by evidence from the Iris ARG. Someone deleted it. So i've put up a shorter, condensed version, and hopefully it stays.  Kora ‘Morhekee   The Battle-Net  My Conquests.  03:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've had a personal theory that Reclaimer is the term for human being. My reasoning?  We have the Precursors, who came before the Forerunners (hence "pre"), who came before the humans (hence "forerunner"), whom would be called Reclaimers because they are the "children" of the Forerunners, thus (re)claiming their constructs; the Halos.


 * I may not have written that very well, but let me re-explain. The Monitors (Spark and Tangent) both instantly refer to humans as Reclaimers.  Spark found Mobuto, a regular human being, called him a Reclaimer, and initiated the same sequence that the Chief, also instantly labeled as a Reclaimed, went through.  In Halo 2 Miranda Keyes is called a Reclaimer by Spark, and she is not special in any way, as Mobuto wasn't.  And we have Tangent.  The second he sees the Chief he says "A Reclaimer, here?"


 * What if Reclaimer is literally the Forerunner term for humans; knowing that they would eventually evolve and reclaim the Forerunner's status. And my final point; why didn't the Monitors ever approach a Covenant being and make it a Reclaimer?  The Covenant were more than willing to activate the rings, after all.  Yet they do not, instead calling them "meddlers."  And we know from Halo 3 that only humans can activate the Halo arrays; Reclaimers. Kyouraku-taichou 23:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

That theory is supported by several key scenes from Contact harvest, in which Illuminaries identify the planet of Reach as full of Reclaimers, and the first contact comes between an Unmanned Cargo Pod and a Kig-yar ship. Inside, the farming equipment is ID'ed as being Reclaimer. Later, the planet Harvest is read as full of Reclaimers, and the symbols rise as the people evacuate up the planet's space elevators 198.49.81.52 05:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If that is true (I still have to read Contact Harvest) than I suggest re-wording the article, as right now there are at least two sections within it that suggest what a Reclaimer is is "sketchy." All this evidence points to the only requirement to be a Reclaimer is to be a human being, which is what a Reclaimer is.  It'd be like saying the only requirement to being an Elite is to be a Sangheili; it's the same thing. Kyouraku-taichou 02:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I also notice that most of the rest of the site, like the articles about Iris, support the above theory while this article continues to claim the "sketchiness" of being a Reclaimer. This seems very contradictory. Kyouraku-taichou 20:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

"Time Travel"
In the area "Time Travel" there is speculation that a battle is fought over Alpha Halo. That's not possible, because the only UNSC ship to make it to Alpha Halo, before it's destruction, was the Pillar of Autumn. No fleets ever engaged eachother over Alpha Halo, nor did they over Delta Halo. It is only reasonable to presume that either a UNSC fleet jumped towards Delta Halo, or found another Halo. (Beta, Gamma, or Epsilion?)

Actually, its a NEW Installation 04 - not time travel. And someone extended the Timne Travel section of the article - most of it is provable crap, now that the game is out, so I'll be culling it.  Kora ‘Morhek   The Battle-Net  My Conquests.  03:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletions?
Most of the sections have been deleted. the area on Time Travel, i dont mind - but the Reclaimer = Human is missing, which i would have thought would have been relevant. Honour Light Your Way -   Kora ‘Morhek   The Battle-Net  My Conquests.  05:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I am thinking of deleting those things, there're pure speculations. ΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 10:13, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Recommendations
The article is looking much better than it used to. The only recommendations I will make are that the first half of the article saying that the Latin term for Reclaimer (Homo Sapiens Augeous) applies to all Reclaimers be re-assessed.

The Latin term for Reclaimer is from the Beastarium, and the entry in question is very specific, talking about an individual, not a group. It is talking about Master Chief, and the entry is written in a manner of someone making an assessment of that particular SPARTAN-II.

My suggestion would be to say that the Homo Sapiens Augeous be emphasized as talking about Master Chief specifically, rather than being vague about the overall context of the term.

Given how that entry is written it should also be obvious that Bungie used the scientific classification as an excuse to put an entry about the Master Chief into the Beastarium.

Cheers.

--Exalted Obliteration 01:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Most Recent
The master chief is not the most recent reclaimer, commander keyes is right?. Thire 4477 22:11, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Reclaimer Symbol
The actual symbol is described in Contact Harvest by the Minister of Fortitude (Prophet of Truth). I'll replace the image once I find it.

--117649AnnihilativeRepentance 02:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)