Talk:Avery Johnson

Date of Birth
If Johnson joined the Marine Corps when he was 19, and ORION received their volunteers in 2491, doesn't that mean his date of birth was at least 2472?

Johnson and the Flood
Regarding Johnson and his apparent "Flood immunity", I feel this article contradicts itself.

First we have, in the "Human-Covenant War" section:


 * "However, the Boren's Syndrome story (referred to as the "Paris/BS Spoof"), was a hoax to cover up Johnson's involvement in the ORION Project, and his survival from the Flood was due to his exceptional fighting skill as a result of the procedures performed on him during the ORION project."

And then we have, in the "Battle of Installation 04" section:


 * "Johnson fought his way out of the nightmare through sheer tenacity and firepower."

But then we have, in the "Operation: FIRST STRIKE" section:


 * "They matched Johnson’s survival against the Flood to his Boren’s Syndrome. Flood DNA was present in Johnson’s blood, but it was dormant and non-infectious. Halsey also confirmed that Johnson had gained some unique regenerative abilities as a side effect from the attempted assimilation back on Halo when they accidentally opened the Flood Containment Facility."

To me, this last extract seems to be inaccurate. The first two extracts suggest that Johnson fought his way out because he is just that badass and/or is exceptionally strong and resilient due to his ORION Project augmentations. However, the last extract reinforces the since-discredited view that Johnson, either because of illness or his ORION augmentations, is actually immune to the Flood. I would remove it, but I'm not entirely certain where we currently stand on Johnson and the Flood's effect on him. It would also mean retconning one of First Strike's most interesting subplots.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 10:50, 28 October 2011 (EDT)


 * The most likely explanation is that his ORION augmentations, (covered up by the Paris/BS Spoof), really did allow him to survive the Flood onslaught and save him from infection. His superior training and decades of combat experience certainly helped, but it was probably a combination of both factors that enabled him to get out alive. This article hasn't had a major rewrite in a very long time; the references to Johnson surviving "by firepower alone" should have been removed when they were added, but that was years ago. Oh well. --Courage never dies. 11:04, 28 October 2011 (EDT)


 * I agree - it was the ORION augments. We know that Flood spores have the power to infect potential hosts, though both Johnson and John-117 have shown no reaction as of yet. When the flood spores were recovered by humans, they initially took years to take effect, though that was most likely linked to a degenerative state (weakened by the years without food on the intergalactic journey). We next see it jump from animal to person, and then from person to person rapidly, with the mutations becoming visible. Being attacked by the "revived" flood forms (that is, recovered from the degenerative conditions), we should have seen a fairly quick reaction in both John and Johnson; we do not. The only thing that links these two together is that they have been augmented.--  Fore  run  ner '' 12:17, 28 October 2011 (EDT)


 * We do know that the ORION augmentations did have serious side-effects, part of the reason it was discontinued. I'm not entirely sure that Johnson's immunity from the Flood was the result of intentional augmentation. The Paris BS may be a cover, but I don't think we can rule out him actually having Borens Syndrome or another neurological disease that would have interfered with the Flood's ability to "digest" him just yet. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   05:46, 29 October 2011 (EDT)
 * Herp, didn't read thoroughly enough, derp. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   05:49, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Although it's pretty clear Johnson has become immune to Flood infection, Forerunner, I don't think we can say John-117 has the same immunity. If that were the case, infection forms wouldn't bother attacking John, and the player wouldn't have to worry about being attacked and/or killed by them during gameplay. Halsey would have also tested the same result in John as well if that were the case. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 11:42, 29 October 2011 (EDT)


 * It was something in The Flood and First Strike. In the former, John takes off his helmet at one point; an infection form tries to mate with his spine, but he removes it. It is referenced again in the latter after Johnson describes having evaded the flood; John thinks of the injury he sustained, and how it feels strange. If you are thinking about why the flood continue to attack John; they did the same with Johnson - they just don't understand how you can be immune and will just keep trying in vain. I suppose the concept of John also being immune is rather weak, though I assert that we have no evidence that he isn't immune; I feel that Eric Nylund was suggesting that both were immune. Perhaps we should perform a more extended, formal analysis.--  Fore  run  ner '' 12:35, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

I haven't read The Flood, though I have read First Strike, but I thought the prevention of the infection form attacking him wasn't from what appeared to be an immunity, but because Cortana fried it using the suit's electronics? All I remember about John's wound in First Strike is him saying it still stung and how close a call it was, but I don't have my copy and can't seem to find the passage on Google books. Perhaps there is a connection passage, I just don't remember it, but it would be good if you cite it. Still, infection forms still kill you when you touch them unshielded in the games. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 13:02, 29 October 2011 (EDT)

Also, even if Johnson was immune, how would he not have died when the flood tried to rip open his chest and then realized that they couldn't assimilate him? Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  01:47, 30 October 2011 (EDT)!


 * They're too stupid for that; they'll just keep trying. That's why Johnson had to fight his way out - they didn't simply let him go because he wasn't tasty. @Tucker, that's just a game mechanic- Bungie has never developed an enemy AI that can only deal damage on certain AIs, leaving you safe. Canon-aside, the infection forms still kill you, even though they don't seem to be able to penetrate your armour.-- Fore  run  ner '' 10:10, 30 October 2011 (EDT)