Talk:Onyx Conflict

Agincourt destruction
i must add one thing, to the space part.

The Agincourt was destroyed by the sentinals before the Beatrice jumped in-system. Ghosts of Onyx page 129. " In high orbit, the Agincourt exploded--

Gladius
Shouldn't team Gladius be added to the UNSC casualties table? -Starliner

Cruiser
The UNSC cruiser in Battlegroup Stalingrad is never specifically stated as a Marathon-class

Recap
Isn't this basiclly a brief recap of Ghosts Of Onyx? I also added a few things to the space section, a few cleanups and detail nitpicky stuff. mostly to do with Patterson's battle group. James-001 05:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Somewhat, but thats just because most of the second half of the book focused on this conflict. Similar to Operation: FIRST STRIKE and Halo: First Strike. -ED 05:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Question
Question?- Do I have to say something here each time I change something in this article? I just changed some ordering of the ships and other little things. Or should I only say something if I change big stuff? peaceJames-001 00:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You should only need to post to debate about what makes sense when there is an edit conflict (two people changing things back and forth). --Dragonclaws(talk) 02:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

agincourt
the agincourt was not part of battlegroun stalingrad, so i'm adding it as a separate casualty. CaptJim 19:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Removing image
Everyone, I'm removing the FanArt image of multiple SPARTANS. I know it's been approved by the FanArt Committee, but if you've read the novel (and if you haven't - read this page), then you'd know there were only five SPARTAN-IIs on Onyx, and one wasn't even wearing MJOLNIR armour. This image is inappropriate for this page as it depicts six SPARTAN-IIs in MJOLNIR armour. --  Manticore  TalkundefinedCSV 12:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Armor classification
I dont get it... Did the Spartan-II on Onyx have Mk. VI armor or is it only John so far that have one??

I understand John was field-testing Mk VI armor while the others were still stuck with Mk V. I think this was partly because he'd been through hell and back while the bulk of the rest of them were out of battle for large segments of the interlude time (Kelly, Fred, Will in caves most of the time, Linda in cryopod) and as we see in the start of Halo 2, he's pretty much fried his equipment. --Forgottenlord 04:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Activation time
In GoO, Dr Halsey states that the time of activation for the Sentinels corresponds with when John was on Alpha Halo - not Delta. At the time, she wasn't even aware of the existence of Delta Halo.
 * "When, precisely, did they appear?" she asked.
 * "The morning of September twenty-first," Kurt replied.
 * "That timing coincides with the activation of an alien weapon world - before John thankfully destroyed it..."
 * - GoO, Pg 175

--Forgottenlord 04:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I know this is a big bump, but I'm very curios about this. I thought that the portal opened when Installation 05 was activated (or almost), to allow the Forerunners to be safe before it activated. It opening when he was on Installation 04 makes no sense at all. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  14:13, 21 August 2011 (EDT)!!!

Separatists?
At what point exactly did the Elites forge an alliance with UNSC? Seemed to me, that took them mere hours. How happened that an Elite-commanded fleet attacked humans if they were separatist? Were they simply planning to fight both the Prophets and the Humans at once, on two fronts? Reckless for an Elite, more like a Brute.--95.165.148.112 16:38, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Halo 3 takes place a few weeks after 2 (Excluding the last Chief scene). Not all separatists were allied with the Humans. In the beginning, it was only Thel, even Rtas was against them until the very moment of the alliance formation. The Sangheili didn't all know of the truce, so these ones were still against Humans.--  Fore  run  ner  17:13, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Nor did all the Humans know about the allegiance with the Sangheili.

Futile Gesture?
Why did Kurt, at the conclusion of the Battle of Onyx, list he an his SPARTANs MIA? Because, I mean, who would ever read that data? The SPARTANs and Halsey were in another dimension, everybody else would be too far away to get that data, and Kurt's helmet was destroyed not long afterwards. Just asking why. Vegerot ( talk )  03:05, 21 June 2011 (EDT)!

Spartans never die Vegerot, they're just missing in action. Bush Wookie Camper

Thank you for not answering my question (sarcasm, btw) Vegerot  ( talk )  03:51, 21 June 2011 (EDT)!


 * That was an answer, and a very good one. It was a symbolic acceptance of the new generation as true Spartans, alongside their older predecessors. Kurt accorded them the exact same respect he would his own fellow SPARTAN-IIs. When you're about to die, and take out an entire planet with you, the last thing you do is going to be stunningly symbolic and personal. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   08:36, 21 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Edit conflict - Kurt's last actions may seem like a futile gesture, but I find them understandable. He knew that he would be dead within moments, so he decided to have a sentimental moment just before the end. Kurt was among the most "human" of the Spartans, so it suits his characterization. Besides, it gives the end of the book much more emotional impact. The fact that he took the time to honor his fallen comrades, rather than going down in a defiant last stand - well, he did, actually - sets him apart from the other Spartans. --Courage never dies. 08:41, 21 June 2011 (EDT)

Destroyed
Onyx was destroyed? It was my understanding that the Onyx sentinels that formed the planets merely destroyed the surface over top of them. And after totally mindfucking the Covenant fleet, reformed the planet. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  12:26, 21 August 2011 (EDT)!!

Name
The Universe section calls this battle the "Onyx Conflict". Are we supposed to use this "more official" name, or keep the current one for the sake of standardization? It is a bit similar to the "Halo Conflict", although in this case there was also the "Halo Event", so we can't really choose one. Imrane-117 (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2015 (EST)
 * The Battle of Metisette was also referred to as the "Metisette Conflict", and I believe there is other similarly named battles. 343i apparently really likes this new battle naming scheme. However, I believe that if we don't have a source to officially name this battle the "Battle of Onyx", it should be renamed the "Onyx Conflict". Although, I'm not a fan of the name. - NightHammer (talk) 20:42, 13 February 2015 (EST)

Rename to "Onyx Conflict"
As mentioned above, I'm not a major fan of the name, but it appears to be the official in-universe name for the battle. -- NightHammer (talk)(contribs) 12:13, 26 December 2016 (EST)