Talk:John-117/Archive 4

about page name
Well, as all other spartan pages are named like this:Spartan-117(no name), I think this article should too. I know that this is respect for him, but this will cause confusion in the names for thoose who just came to halopedia.--R1e2u3b4e5n6 09:03, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Revelation. 11:7
If you break down ''Revelation. 11:7'' it seems to match up with the story of the Halo series. "...the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit" would refer to John-117, "...shall make war against them" would be the Human-Covenant War, "...and shall overcome them, and kill them." would refer to the victor of the human-Covenant War. -- 71.142.111.200 23:59, 27 October 2006 (edit)


 * It's also interesting that if you keep reading the whole paragraph (verses 7-10) things start to make even more sense in the context of the Halo trilogy. The bodies probably would belong to the Covenant and the two prophets would be Regret and Truth. Verse seven on the other hand probably refers to... a certain creature from Marathon which might soon become a Halo 3 spoiler.


 * or verse 7 could refer to the master chief teleporting FROM THE ABYSS UNDER THE LIBRARY to High Charity

Disambiguation
There should be a page for his rank as well as the Master Cheif himself.--JohnSpartan117 04:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. -- User:Shishno 21:50, 2 January 2007

There is: Master Chief Petty Officer (not to be confused with the username) --Nova Hunter 22:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I think there that we must add some more to it!!Master Chief Petty Officer 5pm, 26 october 2009 (UTC) 

There might be a cleanup tooMaster Chief Petty Officer 05:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

A comparison between the Spartans
Master Chief is somewhat a favourable character, but he is not the only one superior to others, Kelly, Fred or Linda may have survive Alpha Halo if they had been in the place of the Chief!--Master Chief Petty Officer 10:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Linda would kill them all with one shot, Fred would just kill them, Kelly would run past them:P Of course they would have survived --UNSC AI 21:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. Sniper rifle could only be active in long range, and what if she run out of ammo? Killing your enemy will be a waste of ammo and you would end up dead in hell, what do you think Fred would do? Kelly could not always be lucky in escaping, she couldn't have done, Master Chief is the only one who has the most tactics and could have survive, and while in Halo: The Flood, he was almost possess by the Flood, Master Chief is superior to those guys, and he nearly lost his life, how could the other spartan survive!--Master Chief Petty Officer 12:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it states numerous times throughout The Fall of Reach that Master Chief is by no means the best Spartan. He is the luckiest.


 * Not even that. Master Chief is meant to show what the end product of a balanced Spartan is meant to be. It's the 'perfect' Spartan. Not too fast, Not too strong, Not too anything. He gets the job done, and that's the point. He's not the luckiest either, that title is held by Kurt. What he is though, is a leader. And the leader must remain mentally strong. And that may be what gave him that edge on Halo. The mentallity of not breaking under all that stress. CaptainAdamGraves 04:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It matters however, Kurt always beat John in trainings, it stated in Ghost of Onyx, luckiest doesn't meant all things. He might only be concealed in the armor before he got caught. They were scared of him, and with the help of Cortana, he must have survive Alpha Halo.--Master Chief Petty Officer 04:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Halsey:"'-Then you know he is neither the smartest nor the fastest nor the strongest of the spartans. But he is the bravest-and quite possibly the luckiest. And in my opinion, he is the best.' 

Cortana:'Yes...I concur with your analysis, Doctor."Halo: The Fall of Reach page 237. hes the bravest, possibly luckiest, and in the opinion of dr halsey and cortana, best spartan.

The  Lieutenant   General  21:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I like that, it's been great to see them, I like the Chief cause he have tactical minds, and I bet that this warrior could survive any difficulties he has to faceMaster Chief Petty Officer 09:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Training =/= real life combat. I'd say that Spartan-117 has by now surpassed the othersin combat skills. John was suppose to be the leader but to be frank, he didn't get around to that much. Linda was by some accounted the best because she worked alone but the Chief has seen more solo combat then her by now as well.--Lieutenant Alan 17:33, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Spartan Infobox
Perhaps we should switch the "Human Character" infobox with the "Spartan" one? ~Chickenman
 * Go ahead and do so. -ED 06:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Jetpack?
I dont remember MC having a Jetpack? -- User:Chief2552 14:47, 27 January 2007


 * What do you mean? --Master Chief Petty Officer 04:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And err... a new edit that! When did Master Chief got a Jetpack, he didn't even fly!--Master Chief Petty Officer 04:01, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

He had a Thrusther Pack in Fall of Reach but not a jetpack

Is it Just Me...
Is it just me, or does MC look fat in this pic:

Sorry, I forgot to sign.  Caboose   Orange Juice  and  Cookies  22:21, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The armour is upgraded, you can't blame him for looking like thatMaster Chief Petty Officer 10:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Even though I don't think he got his armour upgraded,as it's possible bungie themselves did it just to look cooler probably.It's possible that he has sustained alot of damage to the armour to wear he had some of it replaced.Yes he does look a little obese.Halo3 22:43, 12 February 2007 (UTC)--Halo3

It is obvious that is armour is upgraded, look at him, its differentMaster Chief Petty Officer 05:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I would'nt say upgraded.Just replacement part.Bungie said that he had seen horrific battles and how his armour sustained alot of damage.Halo3 01:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)--Halo3

He had been through many battles, there is a fight in that peroid (Halo 2)Master Chief Petty Officer 05:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

His armor is just bulkier. If you look at the hi-res version, he actually looks rather muscular. Same with the Elites in Halo Wars. --Dragonclaws(talk) 10:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it actually makes him look more muscular. --Nova Hunter 22:18, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not musculs, MC is a faty :)


 * No, that looks more realistic to me. In my opinion, the Master Chief of Halo 2 muct be wearing skin-tight armor to have such small legs and arms. See the real life master chief costumes mads, and people never come close to being that thin, even the really skinny ones. -ED 20:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The Halo Trilogy
I am thinking, why does the things in Halo relates to the Bible, like the Flood mentioned in Genisis, Prophets, the Ark, Demon and all sorts of stuffs, do names actually come from the bible?Master Chief Petty Officer 09:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, when you want to be ominous and mysterious, the Bible's a good source for that. The Covenant seems to me to be a satire based on mideval Christian warfare, and would naturally have various references to Christianity. --Dragonclaws(talk) 10:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

You don't think its actually insulting the Bible? I don't think soMaster Chief Petty Officer 08:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't think it's an insult so much as fanfiction as far as the Forerunner stuff goes. As for the Covenant, I'd say it's more insulting the way politics abuse religion than religion itself. But as with any work of art, it's open to interpretation. --Dragonclaws(talk) 06:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

You know how it will be interpreted though. Christian religous leaders will be angry because they will think that Bungie is "interpreting" the Bible and the story of the flood in a derogatory way. -ED 06:33, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Course they will. All religious leaders these days, not even just Christians, feel it's their duty to bitch about things that don't have any pertinence to them. On the other hand, most Christians either don't care or think it's kind of cool that Bungie makes reference to these things. But trust someone like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson to make some dumb remarks. I think it was Robertson who blamed 9/11 on Halo, then didn't believe someone when they told him that Halo came out after 9/11. -The Dark Lord Azathoth 14:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that are only taking references out of the bible, doesn't means they are insulting it. Master Chief Petty Officer 09:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Master Chief is what????
Did anyone hear anything about the MC being gay because I went on to Amazon and decided to go to there talk page for halo 3 and there was a forum for him being gay. It said once he looked at a dude in the shower or something. Where in the Prophets name is this, if it even exists? I'm a little freaked out by this Fork 11:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Whatever they said of the MC being gay, its something to do with the joke thing of the guy named Mister Chief!!Master Chief Petty Officer 07:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well historically Spartans while they are probably the greatest warriors of Ancient Greece, homosexuality was a big part of their warrior society. Therefore Spartans are gay ... so Master Chief, a Spartan, is gay?  Not a very valid arguement. -- Esemono 11:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matters what Sparta men's way of sex, it doesn't relates to the game after all. The augmentation had guarantee a risk of supressing sexual driveMaster Chief Petty Officer


 * It should be noted that one of the augmentation procedures of the Spartan-IIs had a side effect of surpressing their sexual drives greatly. -ED 20:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone as bad @$$ as the chief can not be gay, that would be like calling cowboys gay; um... wait, that's been done. OK, I have a another analogy for you, and this one works, that would be like a government official being gay... no, that doesn't work either. OK, one more try, that would be like a catholic priest being gay... hell, the chief just might be gay. --sogy


 * Even if their sexual drives weren't suppressed, it doesn't matter because the Spartans would not be free to act on their desires. They are equipment, as Cortana put it, brainwashed to do nothing but complete missions. --Dragonclaws(talk) 03:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I actually thinks that gay isn't part of the Chief's personality, I am fully aware that he is on combat status, he wouldn't be enjoying a romantic time with anybodyMaster Chief Petty Officer 05:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I think I have the most important question you need to ask yourself about the Chief being gay.....WHO CARES? Seriously, it's not a big deal even if he was. And as other users have so correctly pointed out the Master Chief is most likely asexual. So trying to figure out if he is gay or not is a moot point.--userR72 1711 hours June 9 2007

MC's "Real" Face
I strikes me with great curiosity of how Master Cheif looks behind that helmet. It be cool if they show on H3 or HW. I also came across that in the starry Night's trailer for H3 they say that the little boy in the beginning was MC younger, interesting. Anyone else has anything to say about this? --Ferball 02:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it is the Chief's younger self, but I am too curious of it. There's a description in Halo: The Flood, maybe you can figure it outMaster Chief Petty Officer 05:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Bungie better not show the MC's face. I like how mysterious it is, besides every time there is a mystery and the answer is released to the public, its always a disappointment. You don't want another "darth vader incident" do you?---sogy

That is obvious, but I think that Sogy is right about itMaster Chief Petty Officer 05:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree but I heard that in the Halo movie MC will take his helmet off but most likely they will reveal the MC's face in Halo 3.

The Halo Movie is still in the progress of production, and I think that they may use the FPS like Doom filmMaster Chief Petty Officer 13:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * God, I hope not. Worst movie ever made. Enough to put me off videogame movies for life. -Azathoth 23:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just thinking, but I hate that First Person Sequence, it sucks, though I think the production would not put in the sequence. Master Chief Petty Officer 12:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What? That was the only good part of the movie... other then the very ending where I could finally not have to sit through the bad movie. :)--H*bad 02:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, listen, you won't get so excited after watching it five times in a row, trust me, Master Chief Petty Officer 11:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I still got excited over it, in fact I fast forwarded it a few times to just that part.--H*bad 13:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Its not the point, I mean to say, will the FPS be in the film if the film really launches in the futureMaster Chief Petty Officer 05:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * His face has been described as nothing special. Brown Hair, blue eyes, military-style buzz cut, etc. -ED 06:34, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you can see MC's face on the trailor of Starry Night. When MC flies off the Mongoose/Warthog, and he pauses to pick up his helmet, you can see part of his face in the reflection of the visor. However, many users dispute this. -  Blemo   Talk   Contributions

Bible references
Instead of the NIV, what about having it from the KJV. You get more from it.--H*bad 15:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you mind putting the KJV excerpt here? -ED 06:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * On the talk page?--H*bad (talk) 13:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

-Revelation 1:17 & 18.
 * I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

-Revelation 1:17 & 18.
 * And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

-Revelation 11:7
 * And that's just Revelation. (What would of been better, is if he was John 316.. heh.)--H*bad (talk) 23:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with the bible reference thoughΜΆŜΤΈŖČΗέÏΣΡΈΤΤΥОΓΓïČëŗ 13:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Halo Movie
My friends, who are complete nitwits, say that Denzel Washington will play MC in the Halo Movie. I'm wondering... Is this true? -71.108.142.16

I doubt it, because IMDB would probably put that on the listMaster Chief Petty Officer 11:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The movie is on indefinate hold, casting is a long way off. -ED 06:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

There was this thing where the writer or the director or someome met with Denzel for lunch, and people were speculating about him being in the Halo movie. Just old speculation. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 07:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure about this, guys, but even though IMDB had set the news up on its page, there might be a possbility that the film will not be show in 2008. Master Chief Petty Officer 13:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Denzel Washingthon will be Sarge Jhonson just thinking

Eh?-  Blemo   Talk   Contributions

Playable character
Although most people know it, it doesn't actually say anywhere on the page that he is the playable character for Halo CE and Halo 2...