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Jiralhanae Civil War
Should there be a page on the armed conflict between the Jiralhanae that took place before they joined the Covenant?--光环的家伙 (H1234-NET) 14:16, 8 October 2011 (EDT)


 * I'm not sure; virtually all we know about this war is that the Jiralhanae were heavily scarred, technology-wise. It probably wasn't a civil war, either - the species was culturally divided into clan-based systems, even into their service under the Covenant.--  Fore  run  ner '' 15:49, 8 October 2011 (EDT)


 * In Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss, the Jiralhanae continuously refer to it as "the great civil war" (p62 and 63). "Civil war" in this context may have a broader meaning, referring to a civil war amongst their entire species or civilization, as opposed to one within a single nation. Within the Covenant, species and culture are largely synonymous, as evidenced by the fact the names of Covenant species are capitalized without exception, while "human" isn't. Despite the fact the Jiralhanae tribes have differences, it's rather easy to find enough unifying similarities to group them as a single civilization. In addition, it's not entirely impossible the Jiralhanae had a united government of some kind before the war and the current tribal system is a result of regression caused by the war, much like most post-apocalyptic fiction deals with the collapse of human civilization and the re-emergence of smaller, tribal societies.--Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 08:44, 20 October 2011 (EDT)


 * Considering their entire species was until recently united together in an empire. I suppose you could consider it like the 1948 war between Israel and Palestine - the two were one nation that plunged into a civil war, with Israel seceeding. The US civil war was between the United States and the territories that had recently seceeded from them. So, a civil war isn't just defined by "one nation goes to war with itself"; it can include warfare with territory recently seceeded from them.--  Fore  run  ner '' 14:40, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

Landing page update 2011
So, what do you think? :) — subtank  15:15, 18 October 2011 (EDT)


 * A Bit of reformatting is necassary, but its definitely better than the clusterf*ck that was the old page. User:Infernal-Blaze


 * Mind taking a screenshot? :) — subtank  15:58, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Thanks for using the logo I made. It's really cool to see it on the front page!--Soul reaper 21:27, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Well I like it. Now we just need that background... pestilence  Phil,  pestilence!  21:33, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

I kinda miss the pictures. Also the real world button isn't very good.--Ben Traeger is King 22:21, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 * What if we changed the Real World button to an image of Mister Chief? :D pestilence   Phil,  pestilence! 
 * Create a good image and we'll see. :) — subtank  09:47, 19 October 2011 (EDT)


 * A, that's spelled "Master Chief", and B, I have submitted to Halopedia a new image to be used on the Main Page to replace that same old boring image presently being used for the IRC Live Chat picto-icon whatchamacallit that is also present in my UserWiki/userpage image gallery, the Technologies section. Subtank told me he wanted me to extract the image to replace the old one, but he hasn't done so yet. Is there something I should be concerned about, like maybe a vote, discussion, or something? --Xamikaze330 16:45, 14 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330


 * @Xamikaze A. Click teh link. Link be spelled teh corrects. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 18:06, 14 November 2011 (EST)


 * Oh, my bad. Guess I shoulda looked more closely. Maybe I do need glasses for reading? Idk, whatever. Escher print, ¿correcto, sí, señor?, or whatever...CRAP! :P --Xamikaze330 19:02, 14 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330

Usage of the New Content template
I've noticed that people often tend to remove the New Content template the moment the "new content" comes out, without updating the page with the said new content. To me, this seems counterproductive; it negates the whole purpose of the template, which is to point out the page needs to be updated. It seems more appropriate to remove the template only after the content's some months old or already updated; otherwise there isn't much point to it in the first place. We could immediately replace it with Template:Outofdate, but that doesn't make much sense either, given the content is still very new. I think the New Content template should be kept in articles for a certain amount of time, perhaps two months, after which it would be replaced by the out of date template if the content hasn't been updated by that point. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 13:43, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

I agree, 2 months seems like a fair amount of time. Col.  Snipes  4  50  14:09, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

Possible Sangheili Civil War article
Throughout Halo: Glasslands, there are multiple instances of a split between the Sangheili race, namely those loyal to the Arbiter and those loyal to the Servants of Abiding Truth. Near the end of the book the pilot escorting Phillips notes there has been armed conflict between the keeps on Sanghelios, does anyone else think there should be at least a brief article on this? Col.  Snipes  4  50  12:16, 31 October 2011 (EDT)

Up to date
I'm just curious how up to date we are on Glasslands info. I don't have the book yet and am unwilling to read spoilers, so I can't really check. pestilence  Phil,  pestilence!  21:14, 4 November 2011 (EDT)

Not at all. I've just finished reading the 10000 unread Halopedia emails that I wouldn't read before I finished the book, and we're not up to date AT ALL. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  21:29, 5 November 2011 (EDT)!
 * Alright, well since you're on the ball, the first thing you should do is complete the synopsis on the Halo: Glasslands page. Which is a very big project. However, that'll lay the foundation for everything else. Then we need to do the pages main characters and plot points. I should be able to get my copy and help you out some time this week. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  23:18, 5 November 2011 (EDT)

You know that the book is over 400 pages long? So when you get it is not when you'll be able to edit it. So whenever you get it add a week or so to it and then you might be able to edit. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  00:43, 6 November 2011 (EDT)

Hey, do we have a page for Infinity yet? Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  15:27, 6 November 2011 (EST)

Spoilers
We should've talked about this earlier, but what is the spoiler policy for Anniversary? Spoilers have been posted on the terminals page. pestilence  Phil,  pestilence!  10:23, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * I wasn't aware that the spoiler policy covered expanded universe plot. I take it someone leaked the game again; was it France (that's at least three times, already)?--  Fore  run  ner '' 10:49, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Remove them. We didn't put the videos of Noble Team dying before the game came out, even though we knew they were legit. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  11:04, 13 November 2011 (EST)!


 * I accidentally read those summaries, and they are spoiling. I think we should put up a Spoiler warning on these new contents. (Removing them seems a bit harsh, we will use them eventually) If it's France again, they must be doing this deliberately, or they just have no sense of time. — S331 Bubbleshieldhud.svg(The anti-social contributor who talks too little.) 11:07, 13 November 2011 (EST)

We should remove them, and then put them back up after the game comes out. That's how we've always done this. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  11:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * You're taking a very drastic approach, and we haven't "always" done this. Remember that this is the re-release of a game that includes some expanded universe stuff that talk about the Forerunner trilogy. It's not a spoiler; it's advertisement for an upcoming book. The only way you'll be spoiled is if you hadn't read Cryptum or ever been spoiled with Forerunner trilogy stuff over the year. When Halo: Reach came out, it was a new storyline and there were too many complaints about being spoiled across the internet; that was why we tried to slow down spoiling. Even then, we only restricted Campaign, despite the Firefight and Multiplayer maps being based on Campaign (and therefore revealing to us the massive, underground Forerunner structure). When Halo 3: ODST was leaked, we did the same - it was a completely-new story that had been leaked, and thousands of people who had pre-ordered the game were being spoiled and complained. Halo: The Cole Protocol was also distributed early; no one gave a rat's ass because it was expanded-universe stuff. Summarising: the terminals aren't part of the Halo: Combat Evolved storyline, and so people who pre-ordered CEA won't be spoiled about, say, who dies in the end... because we already know what happens in that game. The only people who will be spoiled would be the people who didn't read Halo: Cryptum. The end.--  Fore  run  ner '' 11:27, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * What he said. The terminals aren't part of the game's primary story and besides, they don't even include any particularly dramatic or plot-changing reveals (unlike the pre-Reach spoilers about the team members' deaths, for example), so I'd say having the summaries on the page a couple of days early isn't really a problem. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 12:16, 13 November 2011 (EST)

What are you talking about? From the beginning, we knew the end... Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  12:31, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

So how about pictures? I just happened to screenshot some images from the Halo: Anniversary terminals. Would it be acceptable to upload them and possibly insert them into some articles?-- Brute Honour Guard  ( "Talk" ) 12:58, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * I take it from Youtube again? :P
 * Hold it off until the game is released. :) — subtank  13:13, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * I'm afraid so. Though thankfully, the video I found is in high quality. Still, if they do not fit what is deemed as a Halopedia's quality standards, I can attempt to find a better source. I plan on buying a capture card soon, anyway.-- Brute Honour Guard [[Image:Bruteface.png|20px]] ( "Talk" ) 18:10, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Having watched one of the videos (to find out if it was valid or not), I would have to disagree. They are spoilers. It introduced a new character and a completely new sub-plot. Obviously, I won't be watching any more until I get my hands on the game myself, but I think the way we are using the Hide Spoilers template now is sufficient enough. pestilence  Phil,  pestilence!  13:42, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * I haven't seen too much right now, but I'm only seeing it as an advertisement for the next Greg Bear book; a lot of the Forerunner stuff we learn now are things that will probably appear when the novel comes out.--  Fore  run  ner '' 14:20, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Site logo
Please, change the site logo. The comparison between 2001's Master Chief and 2011's Master Chief looks great on articles, but as a logo it's just unappealingly fugly. 10:35, 16 November 2011 (EST)


 * Unfortunately, it's the community's decision... you can inspect my custom css to change the display on your account. :) — subtank  15:13, 16 November 2011 (EST)


 * I agree with Subtank. I think it's a nice deviation from the norm for Halopedia logos. --Xamikaze330 16:36, 16 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330

IPA
On this page there is an IPA that shows how to pronounce "ONI." I personally think that an IPA needs to be added to many other pages, such as Jiralhanae or Sangheili. Just thought I'd run it past you guys before I went out and made the changes, only to have them reverted. Ιι  Ηη   Ππ  15:49, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * Don't think IPA is necessary in Halopedia. That said, I suggest remove the one in ONI.— subtank  16:01, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * I think an IPA would actually be very helpful on some articles. There's been confusion about how to pronounce words like "Sangheili" and "Jiralhanae", which could be cleared up with little effort. On the other hand, it would need to be restricted - we don't really need it for most non-human-related articles, for example, or for trivial things.--  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   18:53, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * I'd like to see IPAs on alien words; we've had debate over how to pronounce both Sangheili and Jiralhanae, while the Forerunner trilogy adds in even more words.--  Fore  run  ner '' 20:00, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * That's the problem: we. There is no official pronunciation for all these "alien" words and to rely on trailers would simply create inconsistencies. Unless 343i releases information on how to pronounce them, I suggest avoid it.— subtank  20:38, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * We don't want more inconsistencies here. Users will simply add unneeded IPA's to articles that don't even need them.-- Commander  Halofan1234  ( I say   the cabal   does not exist ) 23:15, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * I say, only add them where there's confirmation. For English phrases we probably don't need them unless perhaps it's a proper name (but that's debatable, who needs to learn to pronounce "John-117"?). Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 23:50, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Apparently Karen Travis does :/ Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  09:39, 1 December 2011 (EST)


 * We've had Waypoint and panels pronounce "Sangheili"; "Jiralhanae"; "Kig-yar"; "Unggoy" and "Yanme'e", along with the Forerunner stuff from the trilogy (Words like "ecumene" also exist in English, but they are not heard in day-to-day life and so may require an IPA, also).--  Fore  run  ner '' 11:49, 1 December 2011 (EST)


 * Maybe just the words that aren't in the English language? Or whatever could be considered "common" English? Ιι   Ηη   Ππ  22:36, 2 December 2011 (EST)

Machinima.com
Shouldn't Machinima.com have an article, as it is where lots of machinimas using Halo are found.-- Commander  Halofan1234  ( I say   the cabal   does not exist ) 00:13, 11 December 2011 (EST)

No. All the notable Machinimas have their own articles. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  00:45, 11 December 2011 (EST)!

Machinima.com has a wide range of Machinima made with different games. Are they notable? Yes. Are they notable to be on Halopedia since it has stuff related to Halo? No. If you look at Category:Websites, most of them are made for Halo. Machinima.com is more of a community for every video game out there. I guess having the page Machinima is fine. — S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 04:37, 11 December 2011 (EST)


 * Spartan331 got it right. :) — subtank  07:17, 11 December 2011 (EST)

Censored?
Am I the only person with censor bars every where? Also what's #sopa and why is it censoring our logo?67.219.77.67 19:25, 17 January 2012 (EST)

It's Stop online piracy act. Read the top of the pageJac0bBau3r1995 19:38, 17 January 2012 (EST)

These unnecessary appearances things
What's up with all these dumb appearances things. I've been wanted to say this for months but only now am I actually doing it. We ONLY need two things, mentioned only and first appearances. There's literally like 10 different other ones. Like we have things like "indirect mention," etc. Has anyone else been wondering where these come from? Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  20:20, 17 January 2012 (EST)!
 * I agree with you. I feel all these other things and what not will just confuse readers, which is bad.--
 * I think the alternate appearance identifiers have their uses. "Indirect mention", for example, is to be used when the subject is clearly being referred to but not by name. Like in Glasslands (p38) where Halsey clearly refers to Noble Team but doesn't name them. I'm not sure how many of these there are, but the only other one I can remember is "First mentioned", which is a useful combination of "First appearance" and "Mentioned only", for cases where the subject is mentioned for the first time, but does not actually appear. I don't really see a problem with these, since the original purpose we started using the List of appearances section was to provide a more complete and flexible list than the old Era template. The different templates just make it more informative. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 01:37, 18 January 2012 (EST)


 * There are four appearance templates: First appearance, First mentioned, Mentioned only, and Indirect mention. I completely agree with Jugus. There is nothing wrong with being to-the-point. For example, typing (First mentioned) (Mentioned only) is unnecessary and rather messy-looking when it's just as easy to use (First mentioned) . Furthermore, it's not hard to tell which template is used for which circumstance; they say exactly what they mean. --Courage never dies. 18:18, 18 January 2012 (EST)

Excuse my French, but this is fucking bullshit now. I demand we revert this, and in fact, I do not recall ever approving this template for widespread use on the Wiki. Please direct me to where this was made a thing. Grah that is so stupid!  (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!'' 01:10, 13 March 2012 (EDT)!


 * While we are trying to use the appearances templates to be more specific, "Technology only" is between the line of "sounding a bit too unnecessarily specific" and "specific enough to understand". — S331  Bubbleshieldhud.svg(COM • Mission Log • Profile) 06:53, 13 March 2012 (EDT)


 * It's stupid, especially because Forerunner technology is the point of the whole series.  (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!'' 08:03, 13 March 2012 (EDT)!

Halo's Wikipedia article
Yo, anybody wanna just spend five minuets with me and help improve Halo's Wikipedia article? There are just some really big errors that kinda tick me off and this is the best place to find good Halo writers. (also, to put in a lot of links to Halopedia ;)) (or so it says in the sacred caves)  Vegerot  ( talk ) 19:47, 23 January 2012 (EST)!
 * I would like to, but could you tell me some of the errors? Most of these information are about Halo from the real world perspective, and I don't see the errors you are talking about. Also, some of the sources doesn't even provide a source... — S331 Bubbleshieldhud.svg(COM • Mission Log • Profile) 21:44, 23 January 2012 (EST)
 * I'd like to too, like what type of errors are there? I could add sources too.--

Instead, can we get a few of our talented Halopedians (yeah you!) to help out with our Project on Wikipedia?

Wikia, one year later
Okay, it has been over a year since we split from Wikia. There has been many ideas and proposals as to what to do with Wikia, but none of them have been implemented and now halo.wikia.com is just a wasteland of what used to be Halopedia. We need to do something about Wikia now, we can't just sit around any longer ignoring this issue, because it's there, and will continue to be there unless one of us does something. As to what to do with Wikia? I still support my past request, which is to let halopedian stick to the canon, and let halo.wikia deal with the spin-offs and what-not. Brief overview below: "I believe we should move this page over to the Halo Nation. As this is what the Halo Nation is for. And if we start moving pages like this over there, we can start to actually have a relationship with our sister Wikia. Vegerot  ( talk )  22:21, 10 March 2011 (EST)!!
 * I like the idea. We stick to the hardcore canon stuff, while they expand to the actual Halo community...it provides us both with niches that, while they may overlap, don't outright conflict. -- Specops306    Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   03:44, 11 March 2011 (EST)
 * Yeah, and we can then form a good relationship. So, although forming 2 separate Wikias, they will still be working together. And most members will be working back and forth between the 2 Wikias. It will kinda be like the "supposed" relationship we had with halowiki.net (which, although we said that we were equal and just doing different things, we all knew that was bull crap). So, Specops, since you have a much better relationship with the administration than I do. Why don't you propose (perhaps make a page, or ask on the Manual of Style) this change. As you have said what Halo Nation's purpose is on Halo Nation. But ask on here about making this relationship with the 2. (just remember to include that I came up with the idea). Vegerot  ( talk )  17:20, 11 March 2011 (EST)

No, but that's exactly the point of Halo Nation. If we do have a page for Red vs. Blue, then it would be a short page, just having an introductory paragraph and all the Red vs. Blue easter eggs in Halo. (but if we just say that Red vs. Blue is important enough to keep, then that would be the exception to the rule. As Red vs. Blue is the only machinima that has been included in the games). And there wouldn't be that many redirects. I still think it's a great way to get the Halo Nation popular. Because if we cover everything then Halo Nation will be useless. Vegerot ( talk )  20:20, 12 March 2011 (EST)"


 * It's a good idea, though unfortunately there is a lot of animosity between Halopedia and Halo Nation at the moment. I've noticed that there has been content copied from Halopedia to Halo Nation in the past. To those on Halo Nation, the idea that we suddenly want to partner up with them may seem suspicious. I'm pretty sure Wikia staff would not want to us to "interfere" with Halo Nation. When we tried to implement the idea of being a "spin off Halo wiki", Wikia staff wouldn't allow us under the argument "that deleting content from a wiki is bad". I really think that Google search results was their "real" reason for doing this.--

What? I wasn't aware that the Wikia staff had anything to do with this. We're still admins over there, right? And the people currently over there are just gonna have to suck it up, we made an official move over there, which meant that they're officially not Halopedia anymore. (or so it says in the sacred caves)  Vegerot  ( talk ) 21:53, 28 January 2012 (EST)!


 * You don't understand, Vegerot. Wikia is a company. They want to make a profit from the ads they post on their site. If they tell people that they aren't Halopedia, site traffic will go down. There won't be as much interest in the site, by users and potential advertisers. It's bad for business. They aren't going to do a darned thing to delete any of their content because they want to make money. I don't really blame them for this, that's just how it goes. The admins can't do anything about it. They could leave, I suppose, but all the content ever put on any of the pages there and the site as a whole is owned by someone else. So... If wikia staff doesn't like it, it's not gonna happen. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  23:36, 28 January 2012 (EST)
 * Even when we moved, Wikia staff wouldn't let us put up a notice on the main page that we moved.--
 * But that's something, we won't be "removing" that Wikia, if we go with my plan, we will simply be changing it, upgrading it. That will be a big benefit for us AND them! (or so it says in the sacred caves) Icon-Vegito2.gif  Vegerot  ( talk ) 13:26, 29 January 2012 (EST)!
 * Not new; has been proposed. Ignored and forgotten weeks after.— subtank  14:01, 29 January 2012 (EST)
 * Well we can't just do nothing. This issue is WAY too big and has been pushed aside for WAY too long.  We have to do something. (or so it says in the sacred caves) Icon-Vegito2.gif  Vegerot  ( talk ) 18:14, 29 January 2012 (EST)!
 * Why not you do something then? Head over to Halo Nation and propose your ideas. Don't just preach to one party, hoping that the other will listen. — subtank  18:18, 29 January 2012 (EST)
 * Is there any way to keep Halo Nation from popping up as the first result on Google when searching Halopedia? It's quite annoying.--
 * Unfortunately, Wikia has the monopoly when it comes to Google search engine. I assume it is caused by Wikia's severely outdated server cache in halo.wikia's... a bug/error that Wikia never been able to fix since monaco was implemented...— subtank  15:53, 30 January 2012 (EST)
 * Regardless of what Halopedia does with the wiki, the damage is irreparable. Before the split the Halo wiki was one of the top visited Gaming wikis, then once about 7-8 people out of the whole community were disgruntled with Wikia's impending changes, they split. And as a result we went from one collective though convoluted community, to two isolated and stagnant ones. The traffic on here is a shadow of what it once was, and there's no going back 60.229.82.8 20:32, 6 February 2012 (EST)
 * Halo Nation has a larger community, but they spend more time discussing and creating public rivalry than improving their articles. That's what I think, anon. — S331 Bubbleshieldhud.svg(COM • Mission Log • Profile) 20:58, 6 February 2012 (EST)
 * If I may add my two cents: Halopedia is better than Halo Nation in lots of ways. It's better categorized, has a lot less vandalism, and still there are many more reasons why Halopedia is better. Sure the traffic here isn't very high, but I don't see any "damage" done out of splitting from Wikia. I'd rather be here with less vandalism and less traffic to worry about than on Wikia with more vandalism and public rivalries.--
 * I just cant stand the idea of people looking for Halopedia and going to Halo Nation, it sends a bad message about the Halo community. Bush Wookie Camper 21:16, 6 February 2012 (EST)
 * Don't get me wrong, I'm a semi-dedicated user on Halopedian and have been for a few years. My main point was that it seemed almost inevitable that Halopedia would fall from grace in terms of the size of its community. It was a pick your poison scenario, either stay on with Wikia, maintain a huge community but have to deal with the mindless shit they threw our way, or become independent once again, losing most of the community, but maintaining sanity. 60.229.82.8 02:56, 7 February 2012 (EST)
 * Like I said, "Halo Nation has a larger community", and I think that's something we are missing. That's why every so often I would go there and lurk around. — S331 Bubbleshieldhud.svg(COM • Mission Log • Profile) 02:59, 7 February 2012 (EST)

Editing templates
I know this is kind of a silly question to ask after I've been here for so many years, but how do I edit templates? I don't just mean the information in the templates, I mean the templates themselves. There are some itty bitty changes I want to make to a couple templates and I can't seem to figure out how. I'm guessing that you would need administrator privileges to modify them but if not can someone please tell me?  (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!'' 16:22, 20 February 2012 (EST)!


 * Most templates can be edited by any user; only high-priority ones are locked for typical reasons. For example, You can try modifying Weapon Infobox by clicking the edit button. :) — subtank  19:31, 20 February 2012 (EST)

Composer
I've noticed that the composer from primordium dosent have a page. Should we make one? Sorry if this is the wrong place to bring this up. Let me know we're to move it if it's wrong. Jac0bBau3r1995 03:29, 5 March 2012 (EST)

Yes.  (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!'' 20:46, 10 March 2012 (EST)!

site issue
Hey guys, when i view the site now, it has it's old look, like Halo 3 chief and stuff.-204.45.133.74 10:11, 13 March 2012 (EDT)


 * 1) Make an account
 * 2) Go to preferences
 * 3) Go to the "Appearances" tab.
 * 4) Under skins, change it to your desired appearance. If you want the normal Halopedian experience choose "Halopedia"
 * 5) Profit?  (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!'' 10:29, 13 March 2012 (EDT)!


 * Ignore Vegerot. It's simply a server cache issue not updating properly. It happens every now and then. Simply ignore these oddities. Of course, if you do create an account, you will not see this problem. — subtank  14:57, 13 March 2012 (EDT)