Forum:Halo 5: Guardians (General)

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Spartan Companies
Don't know if everyone has seen this already, but 343 have created what is essentially an official clan system for Halo 5. See Frankie's announcement HERE and a breif overview HERE. Basically it's a service that lets you create a group through which to organise things through a group forum. Companies have a 100 person limit, and you can only be part of one at a time. Creating one or joining one will give you a free REQ pack. To become active you need to have at least four people in a Spartan company. Alongside this they have also added a Spartan customisation feature on Waypoint so you can customise your multiplayer Spartan outside of the game.--Soul reaper (talk) 02:12, 20 October 2015 (EDT)


 * You also get a REQ pack for the first time being in an active (+4 member) company. I created my company as soon as the feature was released and managed to snatch a valuable name. Anyway, I'm in the process of taking screenshots of every single armor, visor, and color for upload. Expect a huge dump of images in an hour or two.--Ender the Xenocide 02:19, 20 October 2015 (EDT)
 * The community has been asking for something like this for quite a while, so I'm glad this is finally happening. My only strike against it is that you can only be in one company at a time, but I guess they have a reason for it.-- 11:02, 20 October 2015 (EDT)

Story
Do not worry, I am not going to say any spoilers, I just want to say. What. The. ****. I am just... speechless as to what just happened in the campaign, anyone else? I literally felt my heart stop for a second when I got the legendary ending.Alertfiend - Team Chief 05:20, 26 October 2015 (EDT)


 * Without spoiling anything, I loved the campaign. I thought it was probably the best since ODST. I have no idea what certain reviews complaining about a weak campaign are talking about, except that maybe they weren't paying attention to it. Osiris works well, and Blue Team are a thrill to see, if sparingly. The story satisfies everything I want a Halo story to be, and introduces a few new major players. There is one new character who is really cute, and I hope she returns for future games. You'll know them when you see them. I watched a playthrough, rather than playing the game, but it looks really, really fun. The Prometheans retooling seems to have worked rather well, and the Spartan Abilities are really nice new tools in the sandbox. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   22:36, 26 October 2015 (EDT)


 * Yeah, I think I know who she is you are referring to, I hope for that as well. Alertfiend - Team Chief 22:53, 26 October 2015 (EDT)


 * I second everything you said, Qura 'Morhek, and I definitely think the complaints I've been seeing are either lack of understanding, or that due to lack of paying attention; any gripes I have with the campaign are few, far between, and not really worth noting. All too often people judge stories based on their own preconceptions that they can't get overlook; they've already decided what the story should be, and if it's not that then clearly it's a crap story. :/ Personally, I expected more or less exactly what happened, both in this story and the setup for the future. Alex T Snow (talk) 15:44, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

I'm also in the category of flabbergasted. I've never been truly surprised before with a Halo campaign, but this is a first, and damn, is it satisfying. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, honestly. I played through it first on Easy, for the story, and I'll be doing a Legendary run soon, but damn, I almost didn't want it to end. Makes me wonder what Halo 6 will bring to the table, with a certain someone as the new antagonist, a new monitor ally (who is absolutely adorable in my opinion), and with the Warden still active, its going to be quite the story. Now, we just have to wait 3 more years to continue the story, and until then, to Warzone. Siphon 117 17:54, 27 October 2015 (EDT)


 * (Please don't kill me) Story strength-wise I would call Halo 5 the Age of Ultron of the Reclaimer Saga; it's definitely good, but not great. I liked the story overall, but there were parts that I felt should have been expanded on a bit more (For the sake of spoilers, I'll list them when the spoiler-ban no longer applies) Yoonhyuk-740  10:20PM EST, October 27th, 2015.


 * As far as I know, our spoilers policy is that, if it's officially out in the wild, it's fair game. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. I posted a plot synopsis for Halo 5 on this basis, and if I'm wrong, I'd appreciate correction so I can remove that.


 * I would agree with that comparison in that, like Age of Ultron, a lot of people are jumping on small issues that I could easily forgive. My brother had serious problems with Halo 4's campaign and how you needed to read the books to make heads or tails of it. He sent me a message this morning, telling me only that it is "brilliant," so I can only assume he didn't have those issues this time around, which I am glad.


 * As for the future, I'm excited for the possibilities this opens up. Regarding Warden Eternal: we all, I think, expected the Didact to have survived being Composed. I kind of expected the Warden to turn out to be the Didact in a new body. Now imagine a composed Didact, in a hulking Promethean body, fighting the Warden for control of this new faction seeking the Mantle. Now imagine the UNSC and Swords of Sanghelios launching a united strike during this internecine conflict, to take out or capture Cortana. Heck, we see Covenant in the game who think Genesis was "promised by the Prophets" - they could see these Guardians as the return of their "Gods" and begin to revive, after the disasters on Kamchatka and Sanghelios, in service to their new AI overlords. And having a large, diverse, interesting roster of characters, setting them all on the run, and teasing the involvement of a Halo in the future.


 * We've seen concept art of Thorne on Fireteam Osiris. I do have to wonder, was the original plan for Osiris to be Majestic? I can definitely understand replacing them, even with the original plan to keep Thorne, who is the only character Spartan Ops introduced that I like and who has earned the right, in my book, to call himself Spartan material. I do wonder what 343 plan to do with Majestic in the future, now that Osiris is their "primary" S-IV team. Will they be kept to future comics? A book series? A retooled Spartan Ops campaign? --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   23:02, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

I've been gone for quite some time; I'll get to that later in another forum soon. For now, I came across someone who has played the game and has pretty good explanations for why Halo 5's campaign is "weak", or bad. Mind you, I don't have the game and have yet to get a XboxOne (was planning on getting a XboxOne S but that may be delayed now). However, after watching these videos, I have to agree with him and have learned a lot more about Halo 5 that has made me very disappointed in the direction 343i has taken the series. The first video highlights an issue that I've been having with the expanded material 343i has been releasing long before Halo 5 was released. In fact I stopped buying escalation issues (can't remember what issue I stopped at), so I'm seriously behind. But at this point of time it doesn't matter. I'll get into later. For now here are the videos:
 * Part 1
 * Part 2
 * Part 3
 * Part 4
 * Part 5
 * Part 6
 * Angry Joe H5 Review
 * Angry Joe H5 Extended Review

Please watch all four parts (they'll be a part 5 whenever he post it) for a thorough explanation as to why Halo 5's campaign is bad before commenting.-- Killamin 7 i  /// 09:26, 11 October 2016 (EDT)

Cutscene Inconsistencies
Not real sure how many have noticed it, and its not really an issue, but in both the intro and ending cutscenes to the first mission of the game, we get shown Fireteam Osiris kicking ass, and taking names. Nothing wrong with that, but I noticed something, and its been bugging me ever since. Vale. In both the beginning cutscene (when she boards a phantom, and engages a elite in close combat) and ending cutscene (where she humiliates an elite so bad, he falls head first off a cliff) to the first mission, she is shown using a Magnum. Now, ordinarily, I'd have no issue with that, but we all know that her standard loadout is a SMG and a plasma pistol so, where is this magnum coming from? Now, I know its possible that ALL Spartans can carry a extra magnum on their person, but still, it just bothered me. That's the only one that really stuck out to me, but do you guys find any other inconsistencies with th4e cutscenes in the game, and tell me what you think of them (including the one I found). Siphon 117 18:22, 3 November 2015 (EST)

She had a magnum when the cut scene started, Tanaka handed her one so that is not an inconsistency. Alertfiend - Team Chief 19:38, 3 November 2015 (EST)

Must have missed it, but still when you start the game, you have a SMG and a Plasma pistol, no magnum in sight. But as I said, not really a problem. Siphon 117 20:23, 3 November 2015 (EST)

She could have easily ran out of ammo and picked up a plasma pistol from one of the two dead Jackals. Alertfiend - Team Chief 20:41, 3 November 2015 (EST)

Okay, and? She starts off EVERY mission with a SMG and a Plasma Pistol, including the 4rth and 5th mission, which hasn't a single covenant in sight. Explain that one. Siphon 117 22:50, 3 November 2015 (EST)

Plasma weaponry is (apparently) easy to recharge, considering how she only has a SMG, she would find a use for the noob combo with the PP and SMG, or since she has an interest in Sangheili culture and language, she modified her own armour to hold both PP and a magnum, who can truthfully say? Alertfiend - Team Chief 22:53, 3 November 2015 (EST)

Still, it just seems off that in almost every other occasion, she is seen with the SMG and Plasma Pistol, but in the 2 opening cutscenes, she uses a Magnum. As I've said already, not really an issue, but why would she have a magnum if her loadout is a SMG and a Plasma Pistol? Anyway, it doesn't matter, just something I thought would be interesting to note. Siphon 117 23:01, 3 November 2015 (EST)


 * The weapons are generally inconsistent in cutscenes, often not having any attachments at all (meaning scopes), and Kelly and Linda's randomly do and don't have their paint schemes. There's also Locke losing his BR then having it next time they're in gameplay. Or Chief having full ammo right after boarding Argent Moon, something they actually did right in ODST. On the flip side, Osiris actually has different weapons than normal in the first mission just so they can line up with the opening cutscene properly, which is nice. Alex T Snow (talk) 01:20, 5 November 2015 (EST)

Cortana's Motivation, and possible corruption
I'm sure I'm not the only one to think that the ending of Halo 5 is, shall I say, disconcerting, and more importantly, confusing. Why does Cortana suddenly want to control the galaxy, even going so far as to put Chief and Blue team into a cryptum for 10,000 years to secure her rule. I have a theory, and its already been discussed in a video. Link: 

I'm not going to repeat everything said in the video, but he does bring up good points, and is, as far as I'm concerned, a very plausible theory. Of course, at this point, its just a theory, so I'll leave it at that. I myself don't have much else to say on the topic, what do you guys think? Ideas, theories of your own, anything that may make any sense. Siphon 117 17:57, 6 December 2015 (EST)

The video's theory is flawed. I have also see these theories before. Alertfiend - Team Chief 18:08, 6 December 2015 (EST)

Aaaaannnnnndddddd? Anything else to say, or that it? I never said it was flawless, just that it has good points.Siphon 117 20:10, 6 December 2015 (EST)

In the game they made it seem like the reason Cortana decided to attempt to take control of the galaxy was because she could now do "long term planning" just as the Forerunners did. Halsey showed her concern over what Cortana might do with this power since she is basically a digital clone of Halsey (further reinforcing the idea that Cortana is not corrupted and has always wanted to do this but lacked the capability). We don't understand exactly how AI technology works in the Haloverse, but in the real world computers run on a series of algorithms and it's really not possible for a program to disobey or change their programming. But Cortana is unique. We know that Cortana was constructed from living tissue meaning that her programming (decision making, thinking, etc.) is much more similar to a human being. But human beings are still a series of algorithms, the only difference is that our algorithms tell us to serve ourselves (self preservation) while a computer program just does whatever its creators tell it to do.

With all that said, the theory still brings up a good point about the Domain and the fact that it isn't destroyed. So let's list a few things before we consider the possibilities. Firstly, we know that the Forerunners aren't extinct and that a sizable amount survived the halo rings taking refuge inside shield worlds. We can only assume that they have since left the galaxy (perhaps they discovered new slipspace technology that could allow them to travel to the Andromeda galaxy or perhaps they finally figured out how to use the composer on themselves without leaving them deformed or corrupted). Secondly, we know that the Precursors also aren't extinct. Maybe this is more or less debatable but as far as I'm concerned, the Precursors ARE Flood and the Flood aren't extinct. Thirdly, the Domain isn't a physical construct with a physical location, meaning it can be accessed anywhere--including outside the range of the halo rings. This could mean that only the data uploaded to the Domain from the Milky Way was destroyed, and the Domain in this part of the universe was wiped clean (but not destroyed).

So as to whether or not the Forerunners or the Precursors installed a logic plague in the Domain in order to corrupt Cortana to take control of the galaxy, it's certainly a valid possibility, it's just that I can't imagine why either would do this. To be fair, the Precursors do make extremely complex plans that are not at all easy to predict. But until I can see better evidence or reasoning I'm just going to assume Cortana changed on her own accord. Though I will admit that there is something off about the entire thing. The rest of the lore in the universe is all leading to a huge reveal about the Forerunners or Precursors so it's really not crazy to think that there's more to what's happening to Cortana than simply the fact that she wants to take control. -- Dustin Nugget (talk) 05:05, 7 December 2015 (EST)


 * Somewhat related... has anyone tried asking Cortana why she acted the way she did? — subtank   10:44, 10 December 2015 (EST)


 * Nothing on Google from what I've found, and I can't ask her myself.  Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 15:01, 10 December 2015 (EST)


 * Aw, apparently she just responds with a web search. Unless that's somehow part of her nefarious plan... Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 16:23, 10 December 2015 (EST)


 * Maybe they are waiting a bit before they do something with it so they don't spoil it... crosses fingers. -- NightHammer (talk)(contribs) 22:44, 10 December 2015 (EST)


 * Apparently phone Cortana might be awakening. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 22:29, 6 March 2016 (EST)

I heard it suggested once that that was the same tune 343 hummed. Any clues there? --Weeping Angel (talk) 22:27, 5 January 2016 (EST)


 * It isn't. It is the song from the very beginning of the game, however. --Japeth555 (talk) 23:07, 5 January 2016 (EST)


 * This is the specific song. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   00:15, 6 January 2016 (EST)


 * That must be a fun thing to link on articles. But more on subject I still like the theory that the Cortana we see in H5G is just her rampant personality spikes reformed into one being by Friendzone Eternal. Sith Venator Mega Blastoise.gif ( Dank Memes ) 00:23, 6 January 2016 (EST)


 * Ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I really should have gotten that Debussy reference. --Weeping Angel (talk) 12:31, 6 January 2016 (EST)

So, guys, here's possible evidence pointing towards Cortana being infected by the Logic Plague. Link: 

First, watch the video all the way through, then come back here, and post your comments. Anyway, this, which is official content (albeit, from a not so well known source), very heavily points towards Cortana being infected with Logic Plague, which has been speculated for awhile now. What do you guys think? Siphon 117 22:56, 30 November 2017 (EST)

Bastion
Any idea what the Bastion in the Mission Intel is or what it means for the future? --Weeping Angel (talk) 12:37, 6 January 2016 (EST)

You have access to the same amount of information regarding Bastion, a Forerunner was looking for it and it might be a person if I remember correctly. Alertfiend - Team Chief 17:57, 6 January 2016 (EST)

Mmmkay. I was afraid I'd missed something. I haven't read the recent novels or comics.--Weeping Angel (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2016 (EST)