Talk:Pez'tk-pattern fuel rod gun

Too many pictures
Having too many thumbnails down the right side of the page has thrown the "edit" tabs all out of whack, they are virtually everywhere. We need to shift the images around. July 24, 2008. FightWithHonor

Not Merging
Note to everbody, stop merging the Fuel Rod Gun and the Fuel Rod Cannon together. They two are totally different articles. Its the same as Chicken Soup and a Chicken Burger. The two are totally different sorts of food. So stop giving me pressure to place the articles where they were supposed to belong. Dark Neptune 03:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Difference between Fuel Rod Gun and Cannon? I DOUBT IT!--User:JohnSpartan117 05:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a difference, the Fuel Rod Gun is similar to a Plasma Pistol, it charges up and has a semi-homing effect, and also has 100% ammo when full. It also has an energy core, so, when the Fuel Rod Gun reaches 0% ammo, it cannot be replaced unless a new one is picked up. It is not reloadable, however, the Fuel Rod Cannon is reloadable and does not home. It does not have an energy core and does not charge up. Oh, and the Fuel Rod Gun can only be seen on Halo Pc.

wait the FRG has the five or so projectiles coming out of the top of the gun and the FRC has the battery like clip so does anyone else think like this or is it just me

Emo s  09:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

there is no real difference save that Bungie named the PC one gun apparently. They are exactly the same, save one uses an energy core. However, the gun system itself is the same. --User:Zyrin05:44, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The one in the PC version was thrown in by gearbox, they just assumed it would be battery powered, like all other covi weapons at the time, besides, if its lableed 'Fuel Rod GUN' in the halo 3 game, manual, and plaers guid, then I'm pretty sure its called a Fuel Rod Gun

I'll second that. Everyone that's plowed through the material, the game, and every other bit of bungie canon in calling this a fuel rod cannon should be shot.

The Fuel Rod gun is handheld whereas the cannon is a vehicle weapon. Even if they're similar they're not the same. It wouldn't work putting them on one page. It's like putting together the assualt rifle and the machine gun on the warthog. BananaCat 23:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

New image
Swapped the main image with a more accurate one. The previous image was the version in halo 2 when the game was still in testing...I guess. -Sp art an7 81  TalkundefinedCSV 16 June 2007

About the new name...
quite the mouthful, isn't it?

FRC works though. eg; Oh FRC(prononced phoneticaly)! a chieftan with a fuely!

What, Fuel Rod Cannons in 24 years!?
In this article lukems says "This weapon has changed very little since it was first encountered in 2031". It is most likely a typo i think he meant 2531. -- EliteSpartan  My Talk  My Contribs
 * Probably. But that means there were FRCs at Harvest! -76.235.215.125 21:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, and also it does tell us that both the Fuel Rod Gun and Cannon are from the same design but has been updated with new models just like how we do here on Earth. So it's correct that there are different types of FRGs and Cs.-- Joshua 029 14:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Update: yea its a typo the article now correctly says "first encountered in 2531". -- EliteSpartan  My Talk  My Contribs 8 September 2007

Merge with fuel rod gun
its been confirmed that they are the same weapon. get over it Ralok 21:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

No. A Fuel Rod GUN is Purple, has an arching projectile, uses a battery, and can overheat. A Fuel Rod CANNON is yellow, has very little drop, uses a clip, and cannot overheat. Spartan-777 -It wasn't a "shootout", it was an armed disagreement...

Slow-motion realization
If you watch a FRG during saved films, slow it down and take a closer look: You can actually see the rod being surrounded by the radiation, no longer just a green blob of death. Ahh, the wonders of saved films! Kap2310 22:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Merger with Fuel Rod Gun
I suggest that this be merged with Fuel Rod Gun. It is actually the same weapon, and contrary to popular belief, the Fuel Rod Cannon's name is interchangeable with the Fuel Rod Gun, and those "mistakes" are not mistakes at all. Even the Plasma Sword was merged with the Energy Sword somewhere in the start of last year. There's no need for 2 separate articles.

For
As per above.--Sp art an- 781  CommCSV 09:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The PC version Fuel Rod weapon is a bit of a red herring. It is completely different in terms of appearance from the armament the grunts have during the missions in Halo: Combat Evolved. The weapon they are armed with is the same as the T33 AAW, so the differences make very little sense. However I feel that as they are effectively the same weapon, so even if the tactics for use have changed, they should be merged. The fact that it is noteably different can be mentioned ina subsection of the article. As far as I am aware, I thought that it was Gearbox's 'artistic license'that brought about the Fuel Rod weapon in Halo PC? Diaboy 11:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Strong Support - I really don't see the difference between the Fuel Rod Gun and Cannon, apart from it being mounted on a Wraith. -Rebel grunt

The merger is definitely a good idea, but the line must be very clearly drawn between the two. Statistics and perhaps a comparison section could be added. Ghost elite 18:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Canon overrides fan names. Also, the fan name directly contradicts canon. --TerminalFailure 04:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Very Strong Support - This article is absolutely pointless. What can you say about it? That it fires green bolts almost equal to a Rocket Launcher? In other words a Fuel Rod Gun. — əґ ыţ  єґ  ιιб

Very Strong Support - If you want the articles separate, why don't you hop along and go make articles for all the other vehicle weapons. Wraith mortar, Chopper cannon, Rocket Warthog turret, since you insist weapons and turrets are different. —Foaly

Neutral
THIS IS JUST CONFUSING! They are heavily diferent weapons by traits and usage and even recieve different pick-up names! its a lot like the M6D pistol and the M6C magnum, significantly diferent by traits and usage and called diferent things.

I think the best way to sort this is to merge the two different versions but clearly show the features of the Halo PC Fuel Rod Gun in the Variants section (The PC FRG is more like the HCE-era Assault Cannon IMO, oh and why is the assault cannon mentioned in the fuel rod cannon description in the variants section?). TMek7  Clan Leader 09:31, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Against

 * 1) I don't think thats enough proof.--The Demonic Idiot 10:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No, there really is a difference!((unsigned|Master chief Petty Officer}}
 * There too different in function.--The Demonic Idiot 07:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's just that the "Gun" is battery operated, firing sound is different, damage is different, and bolts have a more arc-like trajectory. They are, in fact, the same weapon. Many weapons, such as the Plasma Rifle or Plasma Sword have different sounds, damage and stuff from the Halo 2 and 3 counterparts. Trust me, they are as different in function as this Fuel Rod Gun/Cannon thingy.--Sp art <font color="Gray">an- <font color="Black">781  [[Image:Seaman.png|25px]] <font color="black" face="Arial">Comm<font color="black" face="Arial">CSV 04:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) They are two completely different weapons. Some differences are: the "Gun" is an indirect-fire energy MORTAR but the "Cannon" is a direct-fire energy weapon, the "Gun" is battery powered and the "Cannon" is ammo powered, the "Gun" has 13 rounds and the "Cannon" has 30, the "Gun" has a "dead-man switch" but the "Cannon" doesn't . The only similarity's are that the ammo and battery's are green and that they are shoulder-mounted weapons. Delta-269 22:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) I agree with Delta-269. This gun has had so many several changes that it has resurged as a "new" weapon. Just take a look to the "new" Halo 3's Rocket Laucher. It's the same thing, but no one says that it must merge. This isn't the same thing...and they want merge it! No way. <font color="DarkBlue">Dan <font color="Blue">iel <font color="LightBlue"> 019 [[Image:Before.JPG|35px]] <font color="DarkGray">My Talk<font color="Silver">My Work


 * 1) As per above. Spartan 112 21:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * 1) they are diferant wepons and therefor should not be put in the same area

deserve their own seperate pages...the two assault rifles ..MA5B and MA5C have different pages? So why not the fuel rod?
 * 1) yeah, same weapon type, but different model, the fuel rod gun from halo 1 and the fuel rod gun from halo 2 and 3


 * 1) What they said

Clips/Magazines
There is always a large ruckus when someone says 'clip' instead of 'magazine', so I feel it is safe to say that this should apply the other way round. The FRG doesn't load with magazines; you can see the individual fuel rods being inserted, and the only reason they don't fall apart is due to some sort of a holding device/clip. The magazine (if the FRG has one) would be what you load the clips into, and would be fixed internally to the FRG. Diaboy 14:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. That is the proper way to use it. A magazine is the bit that holds the amunition before firing(weather its a detatcable box, drum, ect mag, or a fixed internal mag) were-as a clip is a thing that holds the cartridges together before the go into the magazine.Maiar 10:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad to see that someone knows the difference. It gets tiresome to constantly correct it. Smoke. 15:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Maiar: What you're referring to is what we call a "stripper clip". I forgot the actual name for it, but it makes sure the rounds go into the magazine quickly and correctly. An actual clip is something like the M1 Garand rifle uses - it is loaded into the rifle, and serves the role of a magazine. When all rounds are used, it is ejected automatically. Smoke My pageMy talk 20:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Not spawning
Why doesn't the FRG spawn on any map if you use a gametype you made? User:T3rr0r

Is this some kind of bug in the game? SQ G T3rr0R 17:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Too strong for Matchmaking?
It is considered to strong of a weapon to include in matchmaking.

Why is this weapon too strong? The Rocket Launcher is in MM, why not the FRG? Just remove some spare clips and it should be OK. SQ G T3rr0R 17:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Trivia is MIA
I've removed most of the trivia on this page, because it's related to the Fuel Rod GUN, not the cannon on the AA Wraith. --Echo11 07:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Fuel Rod Failsafe in Halo PC
The article currently reads: ". . . as there were fail-safes that made the weapons self-destruct with the force of a Fragmentation Grenade (This is a slight incorrect reference, as a Fragmentation Grenade would have a bigger blast radius. It would be more accurate to say the explosion would have the same force, appearance, and effect as one of its fired bolts)." I have determined exactly what the explosion is using Halo Hacker Tools. I found that it is identical to the explosion of one of the rods (effe: weapons\fuel rod gun\effects\explosion). I have checked this, and I found five dependencies. I looked them up in Halo Mapping Tools:


 * jpt!: weapons\fuel rod gun\explosion
 * Range: 0.5 - 1.5 (a fragmentation grenade's range is 1.5 to 2.5)
 * Damage: 40 - 75% of Master Chief's shields on Normal
 * Force: 4 (equal to that of a fragmentation grenade)
 * pctl: weapons\fuel rod gun\effects\hunter fuel rod explosion
 * The green sparks created by the detonation of the rod
 * snd!: sound\sfx\weapons\fuel rod gun\explosion
 * The sound of a fuel rod exploding
 * jpt!: weapons\frag grenade\shock wave
 * Causes the same screen shaking as a fragmentation grenade
 * part: effects\particles\lens flare\flare h stealth cannon
 * Unknown

To summarize what I found:
 * The shield/health damage is slightly over half that of a fragmentation grenade and has about half the range.
 * The shake effect is identical to that of a fragmentation grenade.
 * The knock-back is identical in magnitude to that of a fragmentation grenade and has about half the range.

Conclusion: The fuel rod gun's failsafe is identical to one of the bolts in force, appearance, and effect. But fuel rods and guns explode with the same force as a fragmentation grenade. The comment should be integrated. Jora &#39;Mantak 04:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Manual of Style
This page needs a complete rewrite. I am currently working on it. <span style = "color:#2D1925; font-family: georgia, times">Jora 'MantakAn elite '92 -<span style = "color:#5D1A39; font-family: georgia, times">Battlenet --<span style = "color:#CCCCCC; font-family: georgia, times">Combat History 23:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I have found that most of the information on this page is useless or redundant. When I rewrote the page, I removed this information.  Nothing needs to be said about Assault Cannons except at the very top of the page.  If I removed some essential information, feel free to add it back to the article, but please don't revert the whole edit. <span style = "color:#2D1925; font-family: georgia, times">Jora 'MantakAn elite '92 -<span style = "color:#5D1A39; font-family: georgia, times">Battlenet -<span style = "color:#B7608A; font-family: georgia, times">Brothers-<span style = "color:#CCCCCC; font-family: georgia, times">Combat History  13:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

the range?
the halo 1 fuel rod can fire over 190 m, not just 168 m .you can measure it with an oddball._StalkerGrunt117 10:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Type-33 What?
Can someone please explain where these names even came from? As far as I know, they aren't canon. 173.79.185.96 18:22, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * They are canon names which were released by Bungie. We think we'd know what was canon and what wasn't. -- T  3   2  8 Bouncy Wiki Logo.gif 18:23, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, where was this info posted? I have never seen the confirmation for these names ever. They are nowhere in the Halo manuels or the guide books. 173.79.185.96 03:50, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Look in the sources, its the second one.112 04:31, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

Inclusion in Reach
If anyone has the schematic drawing of the fuel rod gun in Halo Reach, add it to the gallery. Or at least show some proof of the FRG being in Halo Reach. <font color="00FF00">TMek7 <font color="FF0000">Leader of Team 42 17:11, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's under the Design Details section.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 17:13, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * oh ok, I thought that was a Plasma Cannon schematic. <font color="00FF00">TMek7 <font color="FF0000">Leader of Team 42 17:28, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Redirect
Why does the talk page of the Fuel Rod Cannon redirect here? They are so not the same thing. -->  Userpage  User talk   Contributions   Editcount   Email  ( UserWiki ) ( Favourite ) ( Userboxes ) 07:59, May 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fix it then. >.>- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 12:04, May 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Should I take the discussions about the Fuel Rod Cannon from this page and put it in its talk page? -->Captain Grade One.png  Userpage  User talk   Contributions   Editcount   Email  ( UserWiki ) ( Favourite ) ( Userboxes ) 12:19, May 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * It would be best to just leave it as it is.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 12:22, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Lock-on
I'm not sure was this mentioned in the article, but marines are capable of making fuel rods lock on targets. You notice this when you have a marine with a FRG on the side seat of Hornet in the level Covenant. --MS620 18:59, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't noticed that. Que  Sera,  Sera


 * Whoa and that was worth commenting... I didn't know about this before. My brother showed it to me today, you can clearly see when they lock on Banshees and chase them down. --MS620 19:53, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and include that marines can lock on but players can't Que   Sera,  Sera
 * All right, if someone disagrees, I suggest going to Covenant level and giving the rod to a marine who's on the side seat of a hornet :) I don't know does it work with other vehicles than Banshee thought. --MS620 20:51, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Fuel Rod in Halo Reach Matchmaking
The trivia point stating that it will NOT appear in Reach Matchmaking is False. As evident in Big Team Battles or Invasion on the map Spire it will spawn on during any gametype on this map. Also see here :
 * Then correct it, lol... - JEA13  [ iTalk  ] 16:44, September 28, 2010 (UTC)