Talk:Unggoy

Glowing
Did anyone else notice the glowing grunts in the five minute firefight that was set on Corvette. FATGUNN 02:05, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Erroneous Height
The stats section states that a Grunt is 5'6 tall, and weighs well over 100kg. Errmmm... No. Regardless of the fact that it is a 'Blame Stosh' picture from the BWU, it still shows a grunt about half the size of a civilian human. That civilian is not 12 feet tall, nor is the grunt best part of 6. Grunts, going by that picture are around 3 feet tall. Where the hell did this "5'6" figure come from? Being 3ft tall, they will not be over 100kg either.Thebigyeash 14:22, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * The image you linked is using perspectives to achieve that shot; the Grunt is farther while the civilian is closest to the camera. Also, the Halo Encyclopedia confirmed this. For more clarification, see this.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 14:29, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Unusual event
I was playing firefight Reach when I found several spec ops grunts using plasma rifles. Glitch? Bug? Blahmarrow thinks not. So what was it?--Blahmarrow 20:13, 25 October 2010 (EDT)


 * I'd say its just a gameplay feature. It happens to me pretty frequently on coop, especially with Thunderstorm on. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   22:39, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

Variants
Is it mentioned anywhere on the article that in the first Halo there were two different looking types of grunts (the ones with the straight pointing tanks and masks that go outwards to the sides, this being the type that also appeared in 2 and 3; and also the ones with curved tanks and masks that pointed more back)--Black kille 21:28, 6 January 2011 (EST)


 * Yeah - we call them "straightbacks" and "curlbacks". Bungie intended another variant to be in Combat evolved, the cylindral-shaped "flatbacks"-- Forerunner 02:55, 7 January 2011 (EST)

RvB: Animated
Why does the gallery still feature the image from Red versus Blue: Animated? I removed it about a year ago, but it was restored. Doesn't it technically count as fan art? Rooster Teeth is not an official party. --&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson 00:15, 13 January 2011 (EST)

Curlback grunts
Why is there no mention of them in the article any longer? mrsupersauce 01:27, 25 June 2011 (EST)

Unggoy Philosophies?
According to the Halo Encyclopedia, one of the simple philosophies of the Unggoy is "When in doubt, flee!", but yet another simple philosophy from one of the Halo novels (not sure which one it is, nor can I remember), is "When in doubt, shoot!". If anyone could shed any light on this, like where did this other philosophy came from what book, and whatever else, and maybe someone could adjust or address the issue. Xamikaze330 21:36, 17 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330

They say both of them. The latter one comes from Halo: The Flood (iirc, no?) and the former I believe came from Halo 3. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  21:45, 17 September 2011 (EDT)

second, third or even fourth?
I'm sorry rereaded the phase... changed it back!--Bdgroot-117 12:07, 23 December 2011 (EST)

Inaccurate Main Image
I'm reverting the main image, because it is of a Covenant Storm grunt, and not a normal grunt. It does not represent the species as a whole. Even though it is our most recent image of a grunt, does not mean we need to use it. SUPPLYPAD COMPLETE 21:10, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Why? What makes it different than other Unggoy, other than wearing different armor? It's still an Unggoy, and the image is the most recent canonical image we have, so it should be used.-- Spartacus  ('''Talk 21:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Just look at them. One kind as an exoskeleton, the other has skin and scutes. They're different species.--Eipok Kruden 05:27, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)

It's still kind of up in the air as to whether the Storm Grunts in Halo 4 are just redesigned Grunts or a sub-species/mutation - developers seem to be suggesting the latter. If so, they're sort of like Skirmishers - still Kig-Yar, just not the mainstream Kig-Yar SPARTAN-347 22:01, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
 * It shouldn't be up in the air. They're clearly an entirely different species. The Unggoy in all previous Halo games had chitinous exoskeletons, like arthropods. The Grunts in Halo 4 have rough skin with scutes. It is literally impossible for them to be members of the same species. This isn't a matter of two subspecies, one with dense feathers and a more pronounced beak and one with scutes and ornamental feathers. This is a matter of two totally separate species with completely different skeletal structures, one with a full chitinous exoskeleton and one with osteoderms. Compare the Halo Reach, Halo 4, and Halo 5 Grunts. The Halo Reach and 5 Grunts clearly have articulated exoskeletons like arthropods, whereas the Halo 4 Grunts are more like reptiles. This was an attempted retcon/redesign of the species, and I'm just glad that 343i seems to have returned to Bungie's original vision for the Unggoy and given the Halo 5 ones exoskeletons, if the image in this article is accurate. --Eipok Kruden 05:21, 21 June, 2015 (PDT)

I agree with Spartacus. When the Elites were updated in Reach, so was their main image. Even though they were bulkier and meaner looking. It's still the same thing. The jackals in CE are still Jackals in Halo Reach. --ADinoSupremacist 14:12, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

The interactive guide makes it clear that the Halo 4 grunts and just grunts.ArchedThunder 23:38, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

I agree that we should use the most recent depiction of the species, unless of course it is directly claimed by 343i that the Halo 4 Unggoy are a subspecies, which at this stage seems unlikely. --Cyrannian 15:23, 30 October 2012 (EDT)

Tier 4
Where exactly is it stated that Unggoy were Tier 4 before the firing of the Array? The visual guide states that ecological collapse due to overindustrialisation happened post reseeding.

PS: How do I sign my posts?


 * The Bestiarum: "It is still recovering from preactivation environmental collapse caused by massive global overindustrialization. It seems that prior to their incorporation into the [Covenant], the Unggoy had yet to [reattain] Tier 4 technologies." The visual guide doesn't mention when the catastrophe happened.


 * You can sign your posts with the third button from the top left of the editing field (the blue pencil right after the "B" and I). --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 05:28, 23 May 2014 (EDT)

Subtypes
After seeing the different subtypes of Kig-Yar get proper names (Ruuhtian = Halo Trilogy and Reach Jackals, Ibie'shan = Halo 4 Jackals and T'vaoan = Skirmishers) I would like to see the same clarification happen for the Unggoy, as the Trilogy/Reach Grunts are obviously vastly different from the Halo 4 ones. The differences are even greater than those of the Kig-Yar subtypes. I for one would be eternally grateful for a confirmed differentiation between the types. Sorry if theres any grammatical mistakes or extra spaces, this was writtern on a tablet SLiD1nG Pr0Xy (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2015 (EDT)