Talk:Halo 4

Features 2
Agreeing w/ what Subtank had previously said, I think the new multiplayer map template could be moved to the Infinity (mode) page while we just have a concise list w/ links for the MP maps here. Don't get me wrong, the template looks great but it does look like it will get long, plus we have to take into account DLC/map packs which will make it longer. Moving it to the Infinity article would be a great way to expand that page once more multiplayer maps are revealed. Also I think the plot section at the beginning (not the actual in-game plot) should be moved to the "Development" section since its refering to how the plot was "developed". Just a thought. -- Killamint   KillaEX  19:04, 21 June 2012 (EDT)

RTX
Arrrr, shipmates. If ye been followin' the Rooster Teeth's news, RTX visiters be gi'en the opportunity t' play Halo 4. Tis info be added t' the page? — S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 12:37, 22 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Sure why not, the Cap'n says.-- Spartacus  ('''Talk 12:41, 22 June 2012 (EDT)

Ancient evil
okay for those who have watched the trailers and have noticed the part where an unknown character say "I have long dreamt of this day, Reclaimer." it is obviously not didact as the symbol is clearly not his, unless its his new combined born/didact one of when his personality took over bornstellar's body at the end of cryptum but comment what you think. SPARTAN-225 19:58, 23 June 2012 (EDT)

Also this part in the trivia is incorrect as it is not didacts symbol,

'The Didact's symbol also appears in the Halo 4 Cinematic Trailer, in which the icon is shown overtaking the UNSC Infinity's monitors while a wave of orange light scans throughout the ship. The icon is later seen turning over in the end of the trailer, superimposed by the text "An ancient evil awakens" while an unknown voice is heard saying "I have long dreamt of this day, Reclaimer.' would someone be able to delete this part as the symbol is not his, you can clearly see the difference in each other when you look at didacts halopedia page and with some clear analysis of the symbol in the trailer watch from 0:53 and see that it is different from this as the vertical lines connect to the outer circle in the trailer when didact's one doesn't and plus the symbol is upside down from didact's SPARTAN-225 20:13, 23 June 2012 (EDT)


 * Read this and the very bottom of this. -- Killamint   KillaEX  06:13, 24 June 2012 (EDT)

In this article under the Demonstration videos section, it says that the Prometheans are unveiled to be the "ancient evil" when in fact, Frank O'Connor says here that they haven't revealed what the "ancient evil" is yet. I just thought I would bring that up for accuracy purposes.--Kamikaz 13:35, 25 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Good point. Go ahead and change it. -- Killamint   KillaEX  18:27, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

Possible Spoilers you are warned. I believe the symbol is that of the Composer. Look at the achivement list released for Halo 4 and one of the missions is called Composer. If I'm remembering correctly the Ur-Didact said in Cryptum that the highest level of the Prometheans all got their name/title from the most noticable trait they carried, such as the Grammarian(sp) and the Didact. So could this be one of the Didacts 'generals' that was really good at composing stuff and has snapped? We don't know what any of the other Forerunners personnel symbols look like but maybe the symbols for the Classes are similiar to each other. Or maybe it is just the Bornstellar-Didact. Maybe the Composer does show up but not as the bad guy.--TLLorax I just remembered, composer is what was used to put Chakas mind into 343 isn't. So maybe they will have to deal with the composing of living beings into a.i. bodies? --TLLorax


 * Perhaps something kinda like: HALSEY(CONT'D): "An alien AI full of Human memories."? (See my entry under "Halsey page" further down this page) DJenser 10:16, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

Wait maybe it turns out Spirite(sp) of Fire from Halo Wars made it to Requiem and that is who was composed? TLLorax

Exoskeleton in 'Vehicles' section
The vehicles list has two these entries: "Cyclops Mark II" and "UNSC powered exoskeleton". Is that a mistake, or there is a second type? PatrickRus 21:06, 25 June 2012 (EDT)
 * Read this. -- Killamint   KillaEX  21:18, 25 June 2012 (EDT)

New Inifinity Slayer Info
They just posted a new Waypoint Bulletin (post independence day) with some new info as well as some new screenshots and a video for Infinity Slayer. I'll try to add some of this info soon unless someone else gets to it first. -- Killamint   KillaEX  15:48, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

Forerunner EMP Grenade
In a new Spartan ops gameplay, a player can be seen throwing a grenade that bursts in an EMP explosion It is used at around 11 minutes in.
 * Its too soon to say the grenade itself is a "Forerunner" grenade. Even if it is, the video is very fuzzy and unclear, pretty much recorded with a cruddy cellphone camera. To put it in better terms, we need an offical/reputable source from youtube before coming to conclusions and adding a new feature. -- Killamint   Comm  19:45, 18 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Actually there's a better video. The one you posted was for "mobile" use so it appears fuzzy. I did see a new grenade thrown @ 11:00 but for now its unknown. Until a reputable source unveils it, its best to wait. Nice find though :). -- Killamint   Comm  09:41, 19 July 2012 (EDT)

Theater Mode
Is Theater Mode returning in Halo 4? I didn't see anything on any articles mentioning it. Ιι  Ηη   Ππ  02:42, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Most likely but it hasn't been confirmed by 343i yet.-- Killamint  [Comm |Files ] 16:08, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Covenant Organization
I was searching the internet for news about the game when I came across several articles that indicate that the new Covenant organisation is known as the "Storm", which is consistent with the new "Storm" variants and weapons. Should we add this to the page, or wait until more information is released? Source: Here. --Cyrannian 20:45, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
 * I guess you can add it to the "Features" section. In my opinion, "Covenant Storm" (?) should deserve its own article. — S331 Bubbleshieldhud.svg(COM • Mission Log • Profile) 21:07, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Weapons
Hi, there is the prometean repeater --78.12.158.96 17:42, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Nice find but we need a source stating for sure that is the Promethean Repeater, and also we need a picture of it without a weapon skin before we can setup an article for it. -- Killamint  [Comm |Files ] 19:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

Here the Boltshot ref http://halo.xbox.com/blogs/Headlines/post/2012/08/15/The-Halo-Bulletin-81512.aspx --78.12.158.96 03:06, 16 August 2012 (EDT)

Confusion with Source
A new source has popped up from IGN explaining Halo 4 specializations that will be available in the game along with descriptions of each. However, with each "specialization" they show an image of a unique armor permutation. My question is this: '''Does that armor permutation represent the specialization? Or does the specialization come with that armor permutation?''' It's a tad bit confusing especially because I see "pathfinder" which I thought was a armor variant. Also ADinoSupremacist added the Hyabusa armor to the article as making an appearance, however after reading the source it doesn't explicitely state that the armor will be in the game, more-so just mentioning it. -- Killamint  [Comm |Files ] 19:58, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
 * bs angel clarrified a bit in this thread. Just scroll down to her post on page 2.--210.56.91.48 22:56, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

Halsey
States "Catherine Halsey" in the characters section. SDCC Panel QA says she and other Blue Team members are not in Halo 4.27.252.196.179

They lied.--ADinoSupremacist 21:59, 16 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Not the guy above, but if the source points to Halsey and the other listed characters being in the game, I can't see them. Certainly I can recognise some, even Lasky and Del Rio, but not the ones listed by the source.--Hawki 22:51, 16 August 2012 (EDT)


 * Edit: Found the script which reads some of the names. I'm wary, remembering the old ODST script leak SNAFU, but I guess they can be listed.--Hawki 22:59, 16 August 2012 (EDT)

Frank responded to the Halsey leak over NeoGaf (which I don't use so I don't have a link, it's on Waypoint), and he said that it's not a serious leak at all. It would actually make sense for Halsey to be on the Infinity since it's made up of Forerunner tech. Maybe Paragonsky decides she's useful on Infinity.--ADinoSupremacist 00:11, 17 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Speculation alert!- "...Maybe Paragonsky decides...". You cannot "guess" her appearance in the game. Also this could be a completely different "Halsey". 343i "lying" is also a guess. Best to wait till more clear-cut information has been presented especially since it has already been stated that she (nor Blue team) will not be in the game. -- Killamint  [Comm |Files ] 08:46, 17 August 2012 (EDT)

Why would there be a different Halsey? The script shows Halsey talking with Lasky. --ADinoSupremacist 13:45, 17 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Can someone link the script here so others can see it?-- Spartacus  ('''Talk 14:27, 17 August 2012 (EDT)

You can see Lasky saying: "Doctor Halsey!." At one point Halsey shoves aside Lasky and talks to a character named Roland. --ADinoSupremacist 16:14, 17 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Looks like Halsey will definitely be in the game based off "Making Halo 4: A Hero Awakens" when John mentions Halsey in relation to Cortana's condition, and we see John walking away from some older female "doctor". Goes against what 343i stated earlier. I guess they want us to be surprised, so they gave us false answers to cover up plot elements, idk.-- Killamint  [Comm |Files ] 13:47, 2 September 2012 (EDT)

Couple of new info
Hey, i just read this from an italian site

La Limited Edition includerà:

Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn Special Edition, ossia una versione estesa da novanta minuti dedicata alla serie live action ambientata nell'universo di Halo. Contenuti bonus utili ad approfondire al meglio tutti i personaggi e le storie di Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn. La featurette "Bringing Gaming into Reality". Il "making of" di Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn. Accesso completamente gratuito al War Games Map Pass che permette do scaricare tre map pack multigiocatore che saranno rilasciati in futuro comprendenti tre mappe ciascuno. Accesso anticipato a sei specializzazioni che serviranno a ottenere subito risultati migliori. L'UNSC Infinity Briefing Packet con lo schema dell'armatura e della nave e informazioni precise su cosa vuol dire essere uno Spartan-IV. Armatura Spartan-IV Recruit. Skin Prime per l'armatura Spartan-IV. Skin Prime per il fucile d'assalto. Emblema Prime. Avatar per Xbox LIVE con l'armatura Recruit. Avatar Cryo-Tube Xbox LIVE.

Wich roughly translated tells that a new skin for the assault rifle and for the armor are included into the LE (the skin name seems to be "Prime"), and also a new armor is shipped with that, the "Recruit Armor", and a "Prime" Emblem too. For the avatar there are the cryo-tube and a recruit armor. Sorry for the bad english, but i don't speak it as Motherlanguage

Source: http://www.mondoxbox.com/news/35392/la-limited-edition-di-halo-4-nel-dettaglio.html

Halsey Page
Ok I went through the time of fixing up the Halsey page script and this is all I could get. Anything that is "---" is blurred.

Here is a link to the page that I fixed up in photoshop.… After reading this I think this might not be apart of the game. It seems to much like apart of a book, possible The Thursday War. This would make sense as Frank said those two pages of scrip are not spoilers.--ADinoSupremacist 15:48, 18 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Halsey? Lasky? Is knocked on her ass by The ---
 * ---she’s recovering, we that all ---
 * ---and FLASH a symphonic WHITE ---
 * ---into the room, followed by
 * ---their weapons raised, turning---
 * ---for battle
 * Lasky:
 * Doctor Halsey!
 * Halsey --- Lasky aside as she gets to her ---
 * Halsey:
 * Roland, freeze all monitors
 * --- then, monitors FREEZE FRAME on screen ---
 * ---, motion-blurred or low light, ---
 * ---, from a “mind’s eye” ---
 * ---, life in the 26th Century.
 * (Roland (V.D.)
 * ''Pictures? Civilian Life. ---
 * -or something.)''
 * Halsey
 * ''Not pictures.
 * Memories
 * ---, by the physical object of the
 * --- inspecting it some more.
 * Halsey (CONT’D)
 * ---….full of human memories
 * --- who has completely let his guard down.
 * ---, wide eyed. Stunned
 * ---, wide eyed. Stunned

I took a look at that script too & here's what I was able to make out: Based on a couple of things I can tell that this is defnitely a voiceover script for spoken dialog, as indicated by Roland's "V.O." line & also by the notations in red which are meant to emphasize some sort of vocal inflection; In Halsey's case, it's a tone of fascination, & in Thorne's a welling of emotion as his voice catches in this throat. I very much doubt it's from "The Thursday War", but it might not be from the H4 Campaign, either... Possibly from Spartan Ops?
 * Halsey is knocked on her ass by the blast
 * As she's recovering, we see that, all around her, the (screens?) FLICKER and FLASH a symphonic WHITE NOISE
 * Lasky races into the room, followed by DeMarco(?), Madeen(?) and Thorne, their weapons raised, turning about, diamond formation(?), prepped for battle.
 * LASKY: "Doctor Halsey!"
 * Halsey brushes Lasky aside as she gets to her feet.
 * HALSEY: "Roland, freeze all monitors."
 * All round them, monitors FREEZE FRAME on random scenes (images?) They are indistinct, motion-blurred or low light ???? ???? ???? like snapshots from a "mind's eye camera". ?????? ????? depicting everyday human life in the 26th Century.
 * ROLAND (V.O.): Pictures? Civilian Life. Maybe a (record?) for something.)
 * HALSEY: Not Pictures. (beat) Memories. (notation: "Fascinated de--")
 * Halsey is fascinated by the physical object of the ????? ?????. She leans in close, inspecting it some more.
 * HALSEY(CONT'D): An alien AI full of Human memories.
 * (Thorne?), who has completely let his guard down, (stares?) at the screens, wide-eyed, stunned.
 * THORNE: (That's?) New Phoenix. ??????. (I?) grew up there. (notation: "Voice Catch?")
 * DEMARCO: (That?) can't be right.
 * ??????? calling out images (from?) ??????
 * DJenser 15:17, 20 August 2012 (EDT)

Maybe the Spirit of Fire made it to Requiem and one of the crew was from New Phoenix? If Thornes voice is suppose to catch could it be because he was remembering where he grew up and it has been glassed? Also didn't Frank O'Connel say they were bringing a new connectativity(sp) to the universe and maybe this is their way of wrapping up that story arc without having to do another game. ::TLLorax

Halsey could be there if this is a scene from Sparten Ops. Ops takes place six months after the main game and that os planty of time for news from the Infinty to reach ONI and to have ONI decide that Halsey would be a good asset to have on Requiem and send her. TLLorax

Inclusion of the Jiralhanae
Okay, so one of the unveiled achievements has just revealed the return of Hunters. However, another achievement has also revealed that the Gravity hammer will be in the game, and that most likely means the Brutes will be as well. The Achievement requires you to kill Promethean Crawlers on the eighth mission, in case anyone is currently unfamiliar with the achievement. Because enemies like the Prometheans are restricted to campaign and Spartan Ops mode, does this mean that the Brutes will also appear those game modes? It seems highly likely to me; the gravity hammer is a highly ceremonial weapon for the Brutes, one which is reserved for their pack leaders. And unless this new Covenant faction has recently gained a fondness for Brute weaponry, I think the appearance of such a weapon in the game's campaign is credible enough for us to conclude that Brutes are in the game.-- Brute Honour Guard  ( "Talk" ) 00:30, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Sounds good enough to me. Also, does anyone find it odd that there are only eight missions? Alex T Snow 05:30, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
 * It does set a new record for the least campaign levels. Combat Evolved and Reach both have ten levels (excluding Lone Wolf in Reach). At 15 tracks, the soundtrack is relatively short too. Back to the Brutes, I agree with the BHG. The Storm is probably compromised of the Servants of Abiding Truth, and since there are Brutes like Manus who followed the Elites after the war, the Brutes we might encounter in-game are probably also part of the Servants of Abiding Truth. Man, are those Elites forgetting about the Great Schism?— S331 Bubbleshieldhud.svg(COM • Mission Log • Profile) 06:08, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Bad news, everyone; Frank O'Connor has confirmed that the Jiralhanae will NOT APPEAR in Halo 4: http://halocouncil.com/content.php?r=702-No-Brutes-In-Halo-4 -- Dr Mutran 13:07, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Good news to me, I don't like fighting them anyway. Lets put it this way, the Storm needed weapons, whether it was Brute weaponry or plasma. The schism took away resources and they had to scavenge for anything they could find, like the Abiding Truth. @Alex, S331: The campaign levels, while being smaller in number, may in fact be longer than the previous games. Reach, for instance was quick, especially Nightfall. In contrast, Halo 4 may have campaign missions that last 10-30 minutes longer (being realistic). But that's just a guess for now.-- Killamint  [Comm |Files ] 13:39, 23 August 2012 (EDT)

Campaign
It seems to me that, since we have the list of the Campaign levels, it's time to give Campaign its own section. Do you agree? Please share whatever thoughts you have, stupid or otherwise.Weeping Angel 15:09, 23 August 2012 (EDT)


 * I'll use Halo 2 as an example. Many of the original levels were cut into two due to technical limitations. If we condensed the New Mombasa, Threshold, Delta Halo and Library pairs of levels into one playable level each, easily possible with modern technology, we would be left with only 9 playable levels. which is only one level more than in Halo 4, and considering how wonderfully cluttered Halo 2 was, if 343i can streamline Halo 4's story into 8 individual levels, there's still a lot of room to tell a tight and solid story. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   18:42, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Bluh I'm blind. I somehow read that as something along the lines of "there seem like too few missions". Sorry about that. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   01:45, 24 August 2012 (EDT)
 * That's because your comment should've gone in the above section, were my comment said that ;) Alex T Snow 05:39, 24 August 2012 (EDT)

Variety of Warthogs
Does anyone know if there is going to be any new warthogs or even if the classic gauss cannon hog is returning or the rocket hog from halo reach or even if there is going to be a new one like for example the laser hog(spartan laser used).

So far we don't know and (forgive me if I take pleasure in being on the other end of the fork this time) please sign your posts. Jac0bBau3r1995 10:12, 31 August 2012 (EDT)

@Spartan Matt: This is pretty much a pointless discussion. Not to be a smart-a, but none of us work for 343i so were not going to know unless they reveal new variants and we list them here on the article. Otherwise, a "laser hog" is pure speculation.-- Killamint  [Comm |Files ] 12:30, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
 * Actually, in answer to your question, there is a Gauss Warthog in the game. See this image for proof. Also, Killamint has a point, this conversation in reality should not be here, since talk pages are primarily meant to discuss improvements/changes to the article. Does anyone care if I move this conversation to a forum?-- Spartacus  ('''<font color="Grey">Talk 15:23, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
 * I say we delete this conversation or move it to his talk page (if that's allowed/excluding my comment) so that he can see it directly. Its too small of a conversation to make it into a forum topic in my opinion. Buts its your call. Regardless, that's a nice screenshot! Good deal!-- Killamint  [<font color="Red">Comm |<font color="Black">Files ] 15:50, 31 August 2012 (EDT)

Exile
On the recently revealed map Exile you can see a moon or planet in the sky/background so there is a good possibilty that it doesn't take place on Requiem but on the Halo shown in the main menu. Should we edit the map section on the Halo 4 main page? TLLorax 15:39, 2 September 2012 (EDT)
 * I doubt that it takes place there too. Regardless the description has been changed to something more suitable.-- Killamint  [<font color="Red">Comm |<font color="Black">Files ] 13:47, 2 September 2012 (EDT)

Armor Video
New video showing some armor, some of you might have already seen it. 

7 out of 10 women will say that size doesn't matter
Would anyone mind if I axe the specific Mjolnir variants in the Equipment and technology section down to just include the MJOLNIR [GEN2] entry? The main page for the armor series already contains the same information as the Halo 4 page as it is.
 * It's fine with me. Seems redundant to have it in two different places.-- Spartacus,   Halopedia Administrator  <font color="Black">Talk 15:13, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

Secret Boxed Figure Appears to be Promethean Knight
The "large boxed product" mentioned in Licensed Products appears to be the Knight, as seen here on Entertainment Earth and here on ToyWiz. I'm not sure if these sources are 'valid' enough, since they aren't from directly McFarlane or 343i though.  Captain Baird  Comm-LinkService Record 21:48, 4 September 2012 (EDT)

Weapon section
Since there are tons of weapons in this game, and three factions of weapons, I recommend we split the weapons by UNSC, Storm and Promethean. What do you guys think?ArchedThunder 18:16, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Not happening. It just makes a simple list too complicated and the way it is right now is fine.-- Spartacus,   Halopedia Administrator  <font color="Black">Talk 18:30, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Besides, the typical designations (M for UNSC; Type for former Covenant; Z for Prometheans) already does the sorting for us.
 * If you ask me the way it is now is just a big mess.ArchedThunder 23:41, 10 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Ah, I don't know for sure, but I think it's okay for now. The weapons section may or may not need more organization. But seriously folks, I think we really should just let the matter go. As Spartacus pointed out earlier, it just isn't happening. --Xamikaze330 23:50, 10 September 2012 (EDT)Xamikaze330

Look at the Halo 2, 3 and ODST pages, they look clean and simple, everything is neatly organized. For some reason with Reach it was decided to clump everything together and start listing things that don't even need to be listed. I'm just saying the way it was done for 2, 3 and ODST is much nicer.ArchedThunder 00:13, 11 September 2012 (EDT)


 * I have a solution to this problem but will only implement it once the game has been released. For now, I would suggest to be patient and wait. :) — subtank   01:30, 11 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Cool, mind telling us? Or is it a secret?ArchedThunder 02:43, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

Spartan Matt 03:59, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

I think this is a bit pointless now. Covenant weapons are usually "Type-## something" while Forerunner starts with "Z-###" --ADinoSupremacist 02:31, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

Storm variants in appearances?
Since the various classes of Storm have been released, should we list, under armor, the Kig-Yar combat harness with it's new storm variants? Also it seems the Storm have gone with a whole new ranking structure with their armor. The Zealot armor clearly is the Spec Ops armor, Warrior may or may not be "classic" Zealot, and Commander is Ultra armor.--ADinoSupremacist 02:29, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

Explanation for Flood appearance
So I'm a little surprised on this, but it's actually something I've been wanting for a while now. Anyway I think I know the canonical reason for the Flood's appearances. Since the UNSC found the other Halo rings, it stands to reason that they also found the flood on those installations. Note that the MJOLNIR Pioneer was used during the first exploration efforts of I-03. Maybe the UNSC goofed and some Spartans got infected? --ADinoSupremacist 03:22, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Could we get some background on your topic; how did the flood get involved? --Bruce2401 04:18, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
 * EDIT: Ohhh, the French article. Nah, since it's player vs. player, it's probably just a simulation to prep the S-IV's in case they go toe-to-toe with the Flood.--Bruce2401 04:47, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
 * Please note that you're not allowed to remove posts (yours or other's). — S331 Bubbleshieldhud.svg(COM • Mission Log • Profile) 05:06, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

@AdinoSupremacist, per Bruce2401- In other words its for gameplay purposes only. 343i already stated that the flood will not be in Halo 4 (campaign & spartan ops).-- Killamint  [<font color="Red">Comm |<font color="Black">Files ] 08:37, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

@Spartan331: I will keep that in mind, and thanks for showing me how to use the strikethrough.--Bruce2401 09:38, 22 September 2012 (EDT)