Talk:Halo Wars/Archive 3

Let me be the first to say it....

Fodder
Fodder an in Cannon Fodder is spelled FODDER!

fodder - people considered as readily available and of little value: cannon fodder.

This is huge
Holy crap. This is huge. -ED 01:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am estatic, just filled with giddy exitement. I feel as though I have eaten something very sugary. A line from RvB seems appropriate: "Man, this rules! Rules!" -Donut --Dragonclaws 21:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Halo Wars
I just read on Game spot that Halo was going to be made into an RTS. Maybe someone who actually knows how to make pages better then me should mention some thing about it? the articleJax 20:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah...how come theirs no article on it! --JohnSpartan117 03:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Heres some info on it. Yes..Also for that other project with Peter Jackson!--JohnSpartan117 03:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Halo Wars has existed for a while now.
 * A while? It was announced today....--JohnSpartan117 03:29, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Wishlist
All this needs to completely rule my life:


 * A PC port.
 * A galactic map like from Star Wars: Empire at War
 * A galactic conquest mode (like Empire at War or War of the Ring mode in Battle for Middle Earth)-- CaptJim 03:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Wont happen, its a Xbox 360 Exclusive. The other stuff...probably. --JohnSpartan117 02:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, Halo and Halo 2 were Xbox exclusives but came/are coming to PC, so I'll keep hoping. CaptJim 02:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, they will come, but not for....4 years. --JohnSpartan117 10:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Complaints
--Ryanngreenday 09:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do they have battle rifles?
 * And why do the Elites have fat upper bodies?
 * And most importantly that omega crap!Whats up with that?!

--JohnSpartan117 02:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good question..isnt this 27 years before The Fall Of reach? And they wouldnt have those...they would have...Assualt Rifles....
 * They do? I think they just wanted it to make it in porportion of a regular human's point of view and not a huge Spartan.
 * Omega Crap? What do you mean by that?

I mean thers no spartans other then the first class of 2525.--Ryanngreenday 20:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey Ryangreenday, the POA had not been updated on weapons for awhile, never had a chance to for some time before ordefinitely not after Reach. The POA is not a planetaty assult ship, the marines were just auxillary crew. Therefore it could be argued that the REAL groundpounders, with planets closer to earth, would recieve these new shipments first (especially with the UNSC strained to the breaking point). although that is not what happened(27 years?), I think this might be the excuse the game devs will have. Ryanman

Questions
I think they might be some special force have you seen the new marine armor ? If its set in the past it means most of the Spartans are doomed to die unless its Kelly, John, Fred, Will and Linda                   --Climax Viod 10:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Why are there elites when they only come later in the covenant war
 * Why is it just elites hunters and grunts the traitors of the covenant
 * Not to mention having battle rifles like you said they appear in Halo: First Strike

I’m a bit disappointed it’s a RTS i would of preferred a first person shooter, and whats the unnamed Halo project they mention and are they wearing mark 6 Mjolnir ? --12:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The unnamed project should be a game for halo first strike.--Ryanngreenday 18:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

sweet, is that what they said or what you want? --Climax Viod 19:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

What i want.--Ryanngreenday 19:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

um, this is back on the first 2 questions. First, the Elites formed the Covenant with the Prophets, and Engineers, the Elites as warriors and protectors for them. Anyways, they had been studying the humans for a long time (suggested in Halo: Fall of Reach) and knew that the humans had to be dealt with for being a threat to their "gods." So they sent their best race of units, Elites.

Second Question. First I want to comment that it was not the Elites, Hunters, or Grunts that were the traitors. The Prophets actually had the Brutes assassainate all the Elite High Councilers, leading to Civil War. Thus, the Prophets, Brutes, Jackals, and Drones are the traitors. Second, the Brutes probably would have joined, and might show up in this game. However, they were the most recent added alien race to the Covenant, and were probably just being added at the time. Secondly, Jackals would die in that enviroment. Third, Drones weren't soldiers for the Covenant until right before Halo 2. And third, Prophets don't fight. Anyways, these are just opinions, thank you.

Speculation
I think Probably Kelly’s story --Climax Viod 19:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Kelly's story would be interesting, but I'm sure that Bungie will incorperate her and the remaining Spartans in Halo 3. From what we know, the first encounters of the Covenant didn't end too well for the humans. I'm sure the Spartans in Halo Wars will meet a tragic end, as mentioned above. In addition, I doubt that Bungie would allow another company to take over the developement of a game based around one of their major characters (going by the books). Most of us were dissapointed when Master Chief didn't appear as the Spartan for Dead of Alive. In his stead was Nicole, who was created so that the events in DoA would have no effect on the Halo Trilogy. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that this could be any of the Spartan II's we know, but they will probably be created as some of the unmentioned Spartan II's from the books.--Culpable Liable

Timeing It could be set anywere in between halo 1 and 32 years before halo 1 and the covenant-human war has been arould for 32 years

Halo 2
I love RTSs. And I can't wait for this to come out. And it's a good question. Why does everything have H2 skins and textures. But since this is before Halo 2 and Halo 1 then it would make sense that there would only be elites grunts and jackals. But since I have seen no jackals then maybe this is before they joined the covenant. Or maybe they just weren't used by the covenant until Halo. It's just a guess. --EliteDeath


 * Yes, because it's impossible that they simply decided not to put them into that trailer. They're obviously going to show everything in the first glimpse of the game. (End sarcasim)

-_- --ELiteDeath 20:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Xbox RTS
It does look great, but it will fail miserably if it is for a console. It's as clear as can be, it's impossible to control an RTS with a controller, but Microsoft will come up with something to make a mouse / keyboard for the 360. I hope. -Anonymous
 * I would have to agree, it's near impossible to do this on a console. But hey, I'll buy anything with the word "HALO" stamped on it. --Knnuxchao


 * Good policy. --ELiteDeath 20:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Ensemble is designing HW from the ground up on the console, therefore it will be made specifically to hit the consoles strongpoints. The reason console RTS suck is because they are, for the most part, cramped PC RTS. If they build it for M&K it works best with M&K, but if they build it for the controller it works well with both. If it comes to PC you may complain that it's too boring and easy to control. Just wait until it comes out, try it and make broad sweeping generalizations then. --Vlad3163 21:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Agrees with Vlad --User:JohnSpartan117 06:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Should be PC
It will ONLY be good on pc console rts's suck: no hotkeys! squad-based shooters will also suck on consoles compared to on computer

also, the graphics look excellent and the pre-rendered speed is good...but don't be fooles! as it is not live feed, it probably won't look quite as good

i wonder if it's going to be like "Age of Empires" or "Rome: Total War"

Yes this would be a lot better on a PC. --User:EliteDeath 20:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Here you go. --Gogocons 04:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

its not the first rts for a console i think they made a HUGE mistake by not releseing it for the pc also, i my self dont have a 360 yet but do have a pc, i think its a mistake.

Stop bloody moaning about it not being on pc becasue first person shooters were first introduced for the console and thats the only way to play them now so why cant RTSs be the same.

Take a moment and think that over...- яÏΜFÏяΣ  the rebel anarchist 01:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Mark V armour
Mark V armour did have shields. Mark IV didn't.

Dual Swords
Hey I just noticed something really interesting about the 'Cannon Fodder' picture: The Elite in the middle is holding dual plasma swords. --EliteDeath 21:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes! That might be because you *MIGHT* be able to duel weald swords in halo 3, although Bungie denies this. --ah2190 07:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Two swords? That wouldnt do anything -- unless you could do combos and parries and all that awesome stuff. But I dont think bungie's gonna turn it into a melee fighter game, youd need 3rd person, for one. I say give two swords to campaign enemies just for looks. - Mr Toad

Or one could block and the other one attack, or the both attack. --EliteDeath

uh, or not, there really is no point in dual wielding energy sword since when you lunge its a one hit k.o. However it would be useful say to wield a energy sword WITH another weapon such as plasma rifle.

Yes that would work pretty well. Have the power of the sword plus the plasma rifle when you cant quite get close enough to lunge attack with the sword. --EliteDeath 21:00, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Or one to block and the other one to attack. --EliteDeath 20:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

i dont see any pic called cannon fodder. -RimFire 20:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It now says "a Scarab in Halo Wars" or something like that. 24.251.125.185 07:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

o --RimFire 20:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

thats AWSOME --RimFire 20:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

although, if bungie denies that u can dual weild swords than u probably wont. and this is halowars not halo 3. RimFire

it wouldnt be as fun with dual swords, unless there just in Halo Wars, and not Halo 3. Even if they were in Halo 3, they probly not be in Multi player. --Spartan 114 19:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I saw a Elite Duelwielding swords in the Brute Documentery. Maybe it is so. =) --Black Mercy 11:35 23 December 2006 (UTC)

What no one has postulated is that maybe Bungie is toning down the sword like they did the pistol. They might make it slower and require multiple hits to kill. --Anonymous 01:33, 24 December 2006 (ET)

it would make sense that only the AI could dual weild and not the chief. because if bungie denies that u will b able to dual weild swords, that doesnt mean the AI cant.- яÏΜFÏяΣ  the rebel anarchist 01:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Space Combat
I was wanting to know if there is going to be any space combat like a covenant capital ship vs. a UNSC capital ship with skyhawks and longswords in dogfights with covenant fighters.


 * We don't know yet. -ED 02:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * That would be awsome. --EliteDeath 21:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * PS you spelled longswords wrong.
 * I've changed it for you --ah2190 07:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --EliteDeath 21:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be very awsome, the space battles were some of my faverate in the books --Climax Viod 11:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

erm i dont no if ay1 realises but a covenant capital ship could take on 4 unsc ships and still come out almost unscaved
 * Your point is? Obviously they'd have to scale down the abilities of the ships for balance reasons, but yeah, if you wanna be all technical about it, 1 covenant ship can take on 4 UNSC ships and still have an even chance. --CommanderGree117 23:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually in Halo Ghosts of Onyx they said the UNSC usually won when the odds were 3:1. anyway, we know little about the actuall space combat. Also, they could also put in a choice of battles. You know, choose your fights, stand and fight or run and live to fight another day. Just a thought that's been in my head.

Space Combat ?!? Sounds cool. Although the space combat in Battle front 2 was dissapointing. I hope Halo wars space combat (if there is one) isn't. --Spartan 1 1 7 21:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

yeah space combat would b awsome - яÏΜFÏяΣ  the rebel anarchist 01:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The "confirmed elements" list
Amongst the units in the list, There's is

Covenant Elite (With energy swords) I was thinking we could add Plasma Rifles to that list, becuase frankly, I doubt there's a Ghost shooting down those two marines at the "last known recon position"... 81.229.40.59 07:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah that was kind of wierd. I still don't know how the elites were shooting the marines. There hands were empty even when they were close enough for the marines to shoot them. --EliteDeath 21:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

they all had swords. --RimFire 14:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The beam shot was unlike any of the Covenant weapons. It was differently colored, kind of purplish, and larger than the Plasma pistol and rifle. It also killed a Marine in one hit, unlike in the other games where multiple hits had to do it. I dunno. Salty 02:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

it could be a kind of sniper that wasnt used in halo 1 and 2 - яÏΜFÏяΣ  the rebel anarchist 01:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Or it could just be because it is made by a diffrent studio

i doubt that - яÏΜFÏяΣ  the rebel anarchist 01:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Battle Rifle
how can there be a battle rifle in Halo Wars, when in the info it sais that it was developed a few months before the events in halo 2.
 * Anachronism, I guess. --Dragonclaws 23:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, The Battle Rifle has been in development for several years in the Halo-Verse, If I am to belive the book-readers. If you look closely at the Trailer, the Battle Rifles there fire near-automatic as well. It's an early model. =) 81.229.40.59 21:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

you could be right, i could be an model of battle rifle thats not the halo 2 and halo 3 one.

It could just be an MA5B with a scope mounted onto it. Or an older-model rifle that closely resembles the Battle-Rifle. -74.133.188.197 07:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC).

Maybe. For the second idea not the first. --EliteDeath 21:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it was a Jackal in the back with a sniper rifle. they just dont show it. --NATAKU

In the Fall of REACH, when the spartans are infiltrating a rebel asteriod, they come across some guards with older rifles, something like MA-3s or something. It could be those. (Sorry I can't check, someone stole my copy of the book) --CommanderGree117 19:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

It could just be the MA5K Assualt Rifle

Halogen?
There was a mod for "C&C Generals" called Halogen that was coming out, but Microsoft told them to shut down three years of hard work, saying they were infringing on copyright territory. That was before they officially announced Halo Wars; Halo Wars was announced about a month later.

So wouldn't it be logical to assume that the reason Halogen was told to shut down in spite of Halo Wars?

--StateoffFreedom 14:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Reference Link (beware, it's biased but it was the only one that had the most information): http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/13/ms-shuts-down-halogen-mod-why-now/

Oh Halogen looks good, this had better be better --Climax Viod 17:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I don't think it was fair to shut down halogen. --EliteDeath 21:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Its pure business. Why would Mircosoft want an RTS Halo mod out there, for free, just as they are about to release a full game? Answer is: they don't. They would rather flex their legal muscle, ban the game mod under "copyright infringement", then sell their RTS for $100. Basically, Microsoft would rather make maximum profit from HaloWars, and the best way to do that is to ensure that HaloWars will be the only Halo RTS out there. - Chaota 22:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

New Tank/Vehicle??
On the right hand side of the cannon fodder picture is this.

Anyone know what it is?

Looks like an old tank.

I think it looks like the covenant footsoldiers are about to get pwned, but thats just me. --EliteDeath 20:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

But its probably just an older version of the scorpion tank from before halo 1 & 2. --EliteDeath 21:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

It actualy looks like a scorpion tank with it's cannon exploded

It cannot be a scorpion, if you look at a scorpion tank the wheels that move it do not look that way. Besides it has 2 in each side--Radzon 22:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks more like a modern-day tank. Nothing like the Scorpions at all. Salty 02:43, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

But it couldn't be a modern tank, if this was way before the halo series Radzon 02:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * But all of today's tanks are modern tanks, and today is way before the Halo series.

I think it is a scorpian tank. An older version.Before the ones in Halo 1&2&3.--Spartan 1 1 7 22:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it's some kind of self propelled artillery? --CommanderGree117 19:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually now that I look at it. Kinda looks like a building. The part that looks like the wheels of a tank I can't explain. But...., If you look above that it does look lika a plat form. And that circular dome thing could be like a roof. Just saying.--Spartan 1 1 7 22:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

yeah it looks like a rilly big artillery now that i think about it - яÏΜFÏяΣ  the rebel anarchist 01:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

it might be the artillery from that halo wars pic i submitted see below --Swearingmonk 19:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

those r scorpions - яÏΜFÏяΣ  the rebel anarchist 01:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Albatross, new?
How come the drop ship that appear in the trailer (possibly an albatross) does not appear or its mentioned in any other halo game and book?. The only thing i can think of is that it was replaced by other newer version,(the ship that appears in the map Relic from Halo 2).

looks like it

Pictures


yes they should be put in there awsome --RimFire 20:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

why thank you --Swearingmonk 16:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

your welcome  RimFire 

I found them here --Swearingmonk 14:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC) Marine:to (himself) damn i wish i hadnt lost my helmet it would be nice to die when warm elite:wort wort wort HAHAHAHA *stabs* marine: AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!. P.S can you get a bigger version the current ones kinda small.
 * sweet

 RimFire 

umm thats the biggest version out there unless i strech it with word or something--Swearingmonk 19:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

not my comment somethin messed up and put my sig where it no belong  RimFire  TM

whats with the brute pic
thats not halo wars related is it?

Apparently it is cause its on the page.--Omrifere 17:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

i dont see it  RimFire  TM