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Jiralhanae Civil War
Should there be a page on the armed conflict between the Jiralhanae that took place before they joined the Covenant?--光环的家伙 (H1234-NET) 14:16, 8 October 2011 (EDT)


 * I'm not sure; virtually all we know about this war is that the Jiralhanae were heavily scarred, technology-wise. It probably wasn't a civil war, either - the species was culturally divided into clan-based systems, even into their service under the Covenant.--  Fore  run  ner '' 15:49, 8 October 2011 (EDT)


 * In Stomping on the Heels of a Fuss, the Jiralhanae continuously refer to it as "the great civil war" (p62 and 63). "Civil war" in this context may have a broader meaning, referring to a civil war amongst their entire species or civilization, as opposed to one within a single nation. Within the Covenant, species and culture are largely synonymous, as evidenced by the fact the names of Covenant species are capitalized without exception, while "human" isn't. Despite the fact the Jiralhanae tribes have differences, it's rather easy to find enough unifying similarities to group them as a single civilization. In addition, it's not entirely impossible the Jiralhanae had a united government of some kind before the war and the current tribal system is a result of regression caused by the war, much like most post-apocalyptic fiction deals with the collapse of human civilization and the re-emergence of smaller, tribal societies.--Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 08:44, 20 October 2011 (EDT)


 * Considering their entire species was until recently united together in an empire. I suppose you could consider it like the 1948 war between Israel and Palestine - the two were one nation that plunged into a civil war, with Israel seceeding. The US civil war was between the United States and the territories that had recently seceeded from them. So, a civil war isn't just defined by "one nation goes to war with itself"; it can include warfare with territory recently seceeded from them.--  Fore  run  ner '' 14:40, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

Landing page update 2011
So, what do you think? :) — subtank  15:15, 18 October 2011 (EDT)


 * A Bit of reformatting is necassary, but its definitely better than the clusterf*ck that was the old page. User:Infernal-Blaze


 * Mind taking a screenshot? :) — subtank  15:58, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Thanks for using the logo I made. It's really cool to see it on the front page!--Soul reaper 21:27, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

Well I like it. Now we just need that background... pestilence  Phil,  pestilence!  21:33, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

I kinda miss the pictures. Also the real world button isn't very good.--Ben Traeger is King 22:21, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
 * What if we changed the Real World button to an image of Mister Chief? :D pestilence   Phil,  pestilence! 
 * Create a good image and we'll see. :) — subtank  09:47, 19 October 2011 (EDT)


 * A, that's spelled "Master Chief", and B, I have submitted to Halopedia a new image to be used on the Main Page to replace that same old boring image presently being used for the IRC Live Chat picto-icon whatchamacallit that is also present in my UserWiki/userpage image gallery, the Technologies section. Subtank told me he wanted me to extract the image to replace the old one, but he hasn't done so yet. Is there something I should be concerned about, like maybe a vote, discussion, or something? --Xamikaze330 16:45, 14 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330


 * @Xamikaze A. Click teh link. Link be spelled teh corrects. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 18:06, 14 November 2011 (EST)


 * Oh, my bad. Guess I shoulda looked more closely. Maybe I do need glasses for reading? Idk, whatever. Escher print, ¿correcto, sí, señor?, or whatever...CRAP! :P --Xamikaze330 19:02, 14 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330

Usage of the New Content template
I've noticed that people often tend to remove the New Content template the moment the "new content" comes out, without updating the page with the said new content. To me, this seems counterproductive; it negates the whole purpose of the template, which is to point out the page needs to be updated. It seems more appropriate to remove the template only after the content's some months old or already updated; otherwise there isn't much point to it in the first place. We could immediately replace it with Template:Outofdate, but that doesn't make much sense either, given the content is still very new. I think the New Content template should be kept in articles for a certain amount of time, perhaps two months, after which it would be replaced by the out of date template if the content hasn't been updated by that point. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 13:43, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

I agree, 2 months seems like a fair amount of time. Col.  Snipes  4  50  14:09, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

Possible Sangheili Civil War article
Throughout Halo: Glasslands, there are multiple instances of a split between the Sangheili race, namely those loyal to the Arbiter and those loyal to the Servants of Abiding Truth. Near the end of the book the pilot escorting Phillips notes there has been armed conflict between the keeps on Sanghelios, does anyone else think there should be at least a brief article on this? Col.  Snipes  4  50  12:16, 31 October 2011 (EDT)

Up to date
I'm just curious how up to date we are on Glasslands info. I don't have the book yet and am unwilling to read spoilers, so I can't really check. pestilence  Phil,  pestilence!  21:14, 4 November 2011 (EDT)

Not at all. I've just finished reading the 10000 unread Halopedia emails that I wouldn't read before I finished the book, and we're not up to date AT ALL. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  21:29, 5 November 2011 (EDT)!
 * Alright, well since you're on the ball, the first thing you should do is complete the synopsis on the Halo: Glasslands page. Which is a very big project. However, that'll lay the foundation for everything else. Then we need to do the pages main characters and plot points. I should be able to get my copy and help you out some time this week. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  23:18, 5 November 2011 (EDT)

You know that the book is over 400 pages long? So when you get it is not when you'll be able to edit it. So whenever you get it add a week or so to it and then you might be able to edit. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  00:43, 6 November 2011 (EDT)

Hey, do we have a page for Infinity yet? Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  15:27, 6 November 2011 (EST)

Spoilers
We should've talked about this earlier, but what is the spoiler policy for Anniversary? Spoilers have been posted on the terminals page. pestilence  Phil,  pestilence!  10:23, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * I wasn't aware that the spoiler policy covered expanded universe plot. I take it someone leaked the game again; was it France (that's at least three times, already)?--  Fore  run  ner '' 10:49, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Remove them. We didn't put the videos of Noble Team dying before the game came out, even though we knew they were legit. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  11:04, 13 November 2011 (EST)!


 * I accidentally read those summaries, and they are spoiling. I think we should put up a Spoiler warning on these new contents. (Removing them seems a bit harsh, we will use them eventually) If it's France again, they must be doing this deliberately, or they just have no sense of time. — S331 Bubbleshieldhud.svg(The anti-social contributor who talks too little.) 11:07, 13 November 2011 (EST)

We should remove them, and then put them back up after the game comes out. That's how we've always done this. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  11:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * You're taking a very drastic approach, and we haven't "always" done this. Remember that this is the re-release of a game that includes some expanded universe stuff that talk about the Forerunner trilogy. It's not a spoiler; it's advertisement for an upcoming book. The only way you'll be spoiled is if you hadn't read Cryptum or ever been spoiled with Forerunner trilogy stuff over the year. When Halo: Reach came out, it was a new storyline and there were too many complaints about being spoiled across the internet; that was why we tried to slow down spoiling. Even then, we only restricted Campaign, despite the Firefight and Multiplayer maps being based on Campaign (and therefore revealing to us the massive, underground Forerunner structure). When Halo 3: ODST was leaked, we did the same - it was a completely-new story that had been leaked, and thousands of people who had pre-ordered the game were being spoiled and complained. Halo: The Cole Protocol was also distributed early; no one gave a rat's ass because it was expanded-universe stuff. Summarising: the terminals aren't part of the Halo: Combat Evolved storyline, and so people who pre-ordered CEA won't be spoiled about, say, who dies in the end... because we already know what happens in that game. The only people who will be spoiled would be the people who didn't read Halo: Cryptum. The end.--  Fore  run  ner '' 11:27, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * What he said. The terminals aren't part of the game's primary story and besides, they don't even include any particularly dramatic or plot-changing reveals (unlike the pre-Reach spoilers about the team members' deaths, for example), so I'd say having the summaries on the page a couple of days early isn't really a problem. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 12:16, 13 November 2011 (EST)

What are you talking about? From the beginning, we knew the end... Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  12:31, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

So how about pictures? I just happened to screenshot some images from the Halo: Anniversary terminals. Would it be acceptable to upload them and possibly insert them into some articles?-- Brute Honour Guard  ( "Talk" ) 12:58, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * I take it from Youtube again? :P
 * Hold it off until the game is released. :) — subtank  13:13, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * I'm afraid so. Though thankfully, the video I found is in high quality. Still, if they do not fit what is deemed as a Halopedia's quality standards, I can attempt to find a better source. I plan on buying a capture card soon, anyway.-- Brute Honour Guard [[Image:Bruteface.png|20px]] ( "Talk" ) 18:10, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Having watched one of the videos (to find out if it was valid or not), I would have to disagree. They are spoilers. It introduced a new character and a completely new sub-plot. Obviously, I won't be watching any more until I get my hands on the game myself, but I think the way we are using the Hide Spoilers template now is sufficient enough. pestilence  Phil,  pestilence!  13:42, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * I haven't seen too much right now, but I'm only seeing it as an advertisement for the next Greg Bear book; a lot of the Forerunner stuff we learn now are things that will probably appear when the novel comes out.--  Fore  run  ner '' 14:20, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Site logo
Please, change the site logo. The comparison between 2001's Master Chief and 2011's Master Chief looks great on articles, but as a logo it's just unappealingly fugly. 10:35, 16 November 2011 (EST)


 * Unfortunately, it's the community's decision... you can inspect my custom css to change the display on your account. :) — subtank  15:13, 16 November 2011 (EST)


 * I agree with Subtank. I think it's a nice deviation from the norm for Halopedia logos. --Xamikaze330 16:36, 16 November 2011 (EST)Xamikaze330

IPA
On this page there is an IPA that shows how to pronounce "ONI." I personally think that an IPA needs to be added to many other pages, such as Jiralhanae or Sangheili. Just thought I'd run it past you guys before I went out and made the changes, only to have them reverted. Ιι  Ηη   Ππ  15:49, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * Don't think IPA is necessary in Halopedia. That said, I suggest remove the one in ONI.— subtank  16:01, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * I think an IPA would actually be very helpful on some articles. There's been confusion about how to pronounce words like "Sangheili" and "Jiralhanae", which could be cleared up with little effort. On the other hand, it would need to be restricted - we don't really need it for most non-human-related articles, for example, or for trivial things.--  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   18:53, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * I'd like to see IPAs on alien words; we've had debate over how to pronounce both Sangheili and Jiralhanae, while the Forerunner trilogy adds in even more words.--  Fore  run  ner '' 20:00, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * That's the problem: we. There is no official pronunciation for all these "alien" words and to rely on trailers would simply create inconsistencies. Unless 343i releases information on how to pronounce them, I suggest avoid it.— subtank  20:38, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * We don't want more inconsistencies here. Users will simply add unneeded IPA's to articles that don't even need them.-- Commander  Halofan1234  ( I say   the cabal   does not exist ) 23:15, 30 November 2011 (EST)
 * I say, only add them where there's confirmation. For English phrases we probably don't need them unless perhaps it's a proper name (but that's debatable, who needs to learn to pronounce "John-117"?). Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 23:50, 30 November 2011 (EST)

Apparently Karen Travis does :/ Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  09:39, 1 December 2011 (EST)


 * We've had Waypoint and panels pronounce "Sangheili"; "Jiralhanae"; "Kig-yar"; "Unggoy" and "Yanme'e", along with the Forerunner stuff from the trilogy (Words like "ecumene" also exist in English, but they are not heard in day-to-day life and so may require an IPA, also).--  Fore  run  ner '' 11:49, 1 December 2011 (EST)


 * Maybe just the words that aren't in the English language? Or whatever could be considered "common" English? Ιι   Ηη   Ππ  22:36, 2 December 2011 (EST)

Machinima.com
Shouldn't Machinima.com have an article, as it is where lots of machinimas using Halo are found.-- Commander  Halofan1234  ( I say   the cabal   does not exist ) 00:13, 11 December 2011 (EST)

No. All the notable Machinimas have their own articles. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  00:45, 11 December 2011 (EST)!

Machinima.com has a wide range of Machinima made with different games. Are they notable? Yes. Are they notable to be on Halopedia since it has stuff related to Halo? No. If you look at Category:Websites, most of them are made for Halo. Machinima.com is more of a community for every video game out there. I guess having the page Machinima is fine. — S331 (COM • Mission Log • Profile) 04:37, 11 December 2011 (EST)


 * Spartan331 got it right. :) — subtank  07:17, 11 December 2011 (EST)

Censored?
Am I the only person with censor bars every where? Also what's #sopa and why is it censoring our logo?67.219.77.67 19:25, 17 January 2012 (EST)

It's Stop online piracy act. Read the top of the pageJac0bBau3r1995 19:38, 17 January 2012 (EST)

These unnecessary appearances things
What's up with all these dumb appearances things. I've been wanted to say this for months but only now am I actually doing it. We ONLY need two things, mentioned only and first appearances. There's literally like 10 different other ones. Like we have things like "indirect mention," etc. Has anyone else been wondering where these come from? Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  20:20, 17 January 2012 (EST)!
 * I agree with you. I feel all these other things and what not will just confuse readers, which is bad.--
 * I think the alternate appearance identifiers have their uses. "Indirect mention", for example, is to be used when the subject is clearly being referred to but not by name. Like in Glasslands (p38) where Halsey clearly refers to Noble Team but doesn't name them. I'm not sure how many of these there are, but the only other one I can remember is "First mentioned", which is a useful combination of "First appearance" and "Mentioned only", for cases where the subject is mentioned for the first time, but does not actually appear. I don't really see a problem with these, since the original purpose we started using the List of appearances section was to provide a more complete and flexible list than the old Era template. The different templates just make it more informative. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 01:37, 18 January 2012 (EST)


 * There are four appearance templates: First appearance, First mentioned, Mentioned only, and Indirect mention. I completely agree with Jugus. There is nothing wrong with being to-the-point. For example, typing (First mentioned) (Mentioned only) is unnecessary and rather messy-looking when it's just as easy to use (First mentioned) . Furthermore, it's not hard to tell which template is used for which circumstance; they say exactly what they mean. --Courage never dies. 18:18, 18 January 2012 (EST)