Talk:SPARTAN-B312

Background
This needs to be fixed, gender was just speculation:

SPARTAN-B312 is the main playable character in the upcoming game, Halo: Reach. To integrate player relation with B312, players can pick what gender they wish Noble Six to be with separately recorded voices for each gender. Of course, this is purely speculation based upon Bungie Weekly Update 3.05.10

"This next week, Lee Wilson joins us as we record all the mission and combat dialog for the main story Spartan characters and our male/female Noble Six voices."

—Urk

It should also be noted that there is no intimation as to when or how often a player may change his/her gender.

In that new interview with Aisha Tyler, she says she did alot of deathscreams.. possibly another intimation of gender change? I feel this is good proof for multiplayer, but it doesn't nessecarily mean anything for campaggin.

He's a male. Per canon. Just like with other games like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic I/II, while the player may be able to choose his/her gender, there IS an official "canon gender" that is used. Per S-312 (Noble 6)'s Personnel Profile, he is a male.

Source: http://www.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=24530 E-5 (Sergeant), 1-7 CAV, U.S. Army (IRR) 04:30, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Actually in KOTOR 2 you are canonically female--Ender the Xenocide 20:11, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

That Settles it Noble 6 is a Male, Because its Stated here http://www.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=24530 and The version Bungie uses for Advertisements is Male.

Think of it as the Mass Effect Senario, You can chose the Gender of your Shepard, but the Canon version is the Male, because thats the one Made by the Studio, and is the one in all of the Advertisements

spartan tags
i think we should remove the company tags from the spartans of noble because, even tho they are spartan IIIs, they do not belong to a company, 312 and kat were taken out of beta company, therefore they do not warrant company tags. as with carter, emile and jun they were from alpha company, which no longer exists, they are now noble team. besides, since the fact that they are spartans IIIs is no longer a debated fact and has been confirmed by multiple sources, bungie would come righ out with it and put spartan tags on their pages, right. so i vote we remove the company tags cuz there have been no sources that give company tags. befere i make the change, you can vote, i will decide to make the edit at the end of march if the majority of the people support it Ghost mactavish 05:28, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I find myself agreeing with this. So far, there's been no official source that refers to the Noble team Spartans with company tags. Whatever the reasons for this are, for me at least it seems pretty clear they don't have them. Not anymore at least. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 13:03, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Beta company ceased to exist, but Tom and Lucy kept their tags.--  Fore  run  ner  13:08, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * So they did. But I don't think they're relevant in the discussion of the members of NOBLE still having their tags. For the first thing, Noble Team is a team of elite operatives, almost entirely separate from the rest of the Spartans. Second, I've said it before and I'll say it again: If the Spartans of Noble Team still had their company tags, why doesn't any, and I mean any, official source make a single mention of them? Not even the official B.net "personnel reports" that seem to contain every other bit of information about them. I've never questioned that whether they originally belonged to those companies, nor if they originally had their company tags. I'm only drawing conclusions from everything we've seen so far. I just like sticking to official material, that's all. --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 13:24, March 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I respect your opinion. I believe that BUNGIE decided not to use the company tags because it would be too confusing to the gamer. Soren-66 wasn't a SPARTAN-II, but he trained with them, so he deserves a tag.--  Fore  run  ner  13:29, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

"Not even the official B.net "personnel reports" that seem to contain every other bit of information about them."

- Jugus


 * I remember back then (January? before it was announced the squad to be composed of S-II and S-IIIs) that Bungie wanted to keep the identity of Noble Team a secret. If they supplied the company tags, it would ruin the whole fun and mystery.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 14:34, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * ya but its not a mystery or a secret anymore, is it. its completely confirmed canonGhost mactavish 05:15, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're completely missing the point, she meant that if Bungie gave away the company tags before the revelation that they were S-IIIs, then that would ruin the revelation. - Black Mesa.jpg Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  07:04, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

i understand that perfecctly, but the fact is that it is widely known information that these spartans are third generation, its after that revelation,and still no sourceeven makes a mention of company tags

PS. i tried to make the edit but ascention blocked me--Ghost mactavish 01:26, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Navy vs Army?
The page says that Noble Six is affiliated with the UNSC Navy, however, S-IIIs are Army, and I thought that Noble Team was also confirmed Army by the NOBLE Team Performance Report?


 * Possible oversight by the devs maybe?Someguy789 00:15, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Spartans of Noble team (along with all Spartans) are orginally affiliated with the Navy. In the case of Noble Team, they work closer with the army, but are still Naval personel. Just look at their ranks, if you are unsure. Nowhere but the Navy does there exist a Commander Rank.


 * The S-IIIs have numerous contradictions. Gamma Company's SPARTANs were all Privates, for instance.--  Fore  run  ner  21:41, March 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's originally an ONI-funded and controlled project, so the actual Spartans have a connection to the Navy. Many officers in charge were from other branches though. Possibly after the initial generations, more and more control was given to the Army that originally kickstarted the project. Perhaps Beta Company was the first to use Army ranks thanks to a withdrawl of ONI's presence in the program. Nobel Team may be an anomaly for now.--Nerfherder1428 11:56, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * They may simply be considered affiliated with both, but during Reach they are under the command of the Army. Sierra 003 22:55, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

B312?
I was just looking around on bungie.net and it said that this spartan III is S312 not B312. CFV-88 22:27, March 10, 2010 (UTC)

That's because he is from beta company of the spartan III's. The "s" stands for spartan. FatalSnipe117 01:28, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Birthdays
Three members, B312 included, from Noble Team all have the same birthdays? Highly unlikely. Isn't it more likely that ONI falsified the birthdays?  DavidJCobb  22:29, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably, but we have no evidence of that. -- Lord Hyren 05:44, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure he isn't S-II?
S-293’s 1156 has been filed since 22/04/2552, every active duty Spartan-II is on XXX for special training, and it seems that XXX wasn’t able to keep his own private grim reaper out of the pool—only time will tell if this luck is of the good or bad variety.

Taken from his details on Bungie.net Reach project page... don't want to start an argument again, but I figured I'd mention this? DarkbelowHGR  CommbandD  03:13, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

I Think we have gotten past that you (the player) will play as Spartan-B312, a Spartan III Comando, the only Spartan II on Noble Team is Jorge..... 76.211.2.221 14:47, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

I always thought that was just talking about Reach and Kurt the spartan II who trained the threes.Someguy789 16:09, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

LOL
Has anyone else noticed that in the article it talk about Noble 6's previous superior saying that her gender is unknown then pulls out some quote calling it a he. I thought this was funny cause the sentenses are literally next to each other.

"Additionally, S-B312 seems to have been assigned to Noble Team despite the wishes of his/her former superior who is said to have used S-B312 as "his own private grim reaper"."

- The quote in question?

If that is the case, you misread. B312 is either a male or female depending on player choice, but his/her former superior was a male, probably Ackerson. 112 01:35, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * That would actually be really awesome if Ackerson had an in-game role. And it makes damn good sense that that would be the way Ackerson would use use Noble-Six. Flayer92 22:29, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Birthday
New Waypoint intel is out on Noble Team, with individual bios on each member. I believe they are all identical to the Game Informer bios, with the exception of Noble Six, who's birthdate is redacted like the rest of his information. I think it's safe to say that Game Informer just slipped and gave N6 kat's birthday too. I've gone ahead and changed the article. If there's some reason it should be changed back that I'm unaware of, feel free to do so of course. -Proconix 13:01, May 29, 2010 (UTC)Proconix

Death
Does anyone else believe that He/She's Gonna survive Reach or die? I myself Believe he/she, along with his/her team, Are gonna die, But What does anyone else think? 76.244.151.225 19:59, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * No...spartans never die, their just missing in action, sry couldn't resist


 * The sir above who didn't press the signature button, I salute you for awesome timing! But, still, Reach was annihilated, the Pillar of Autumn is the only human vessel that managed to escape we know so far, but since Bungie retconned, I dunno. It would be a different ending to a Halo game, seeing a planet glassed while actually on it. Though it will leave a sour note, Halo: Reach being the last Halo made by Bungie, or so they say. Now that I think about it, didn't they confirm it indirectly in a ViDoc or something? It went along the lines of "Even though it's a lost fight, we (Bungie) want to make you feel like you're fighting the good fight." It didn't go exactly as written, but it was similar. Can't wait for 9/14! 80.222.44.24 16:55, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Autumn WASN'T the only ship to escape. I believe there was an ONI person who escaped, like 7 SPARTANs escaped on a ship, etc. So it is possible they escaped, but they most likely died when the planet was being glassed.Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 19:17, June 22, 2010 (UTC)!!


 * Thanks for the additional info. I apologize for the lack of info, perhaps my older post was a bit "know-it-all." But still, two ships and their crew, some soldiers, an ONI spook and a handful of spartans still fall into the category of annihilated, considering Reach was one of the UNSC's main producers of military hardware and ships. Hafta buy the new Halo books, once they become available to me. About the question at hand, yes, that is a good point and once you think about it, it seems unlikely that the entire Noble team will go M.I.A, but we'll just have to wait and see what Bungie's come up! 80.222.44.24 22:34, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Correcting the poster above you, nine in ten ships were destroyed during the battle. One tenth of the Reach fleet managed to escape to Earth. That means at least fifteen warships - I don't know how many passenger liners, freighters, private vessels etc. would have escaped, but its a pitiful amount of military vessels. The Spartans who escaped Reach that he was talking about were rescued by a time travelling Master Chief in a Covenant ship, and are now either dead or on Onyx - the rest of the "regular" Spartans died on Reach. That probably doesn't count Noble Team, since they weren't on any official Spartan rosters or tallies. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   10:43, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Noble 6
Noble 6 should redirect here. Can someone do it for me?--70.71.240.170 11:16, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 15:30, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

6's Silence
The article still says that Noble 6 never talks but I was under the impression that he/she did speak, and I think it was confirmed in weekly update 6/18/2010 where they also confirmed Firefight 2.0. Not sure if I'm right, otherwise I'd go and change it. 82.45.116.95 16:36, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is confirmed that Noble Six will be speaking in the cutsecenes. But I'm not sure if he/she (depending on the player's choice) will talk in Firefight 2.0 --Invincibilityhud.svg Ultra Force  16:40, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * WHERE Did It confirm Noble Six will speak? I am highly SURE that he WILL NOT be speaking (Bungie wants YOU To be Noble Six, you can't assurt yourself as him If he speaks) 69.221.168.182 03:26, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Noble 6 is a Firefight voice. Its pretty hard to be a voice but still not speak :) Que   Sera,  Sera
 * As a Firefight Voice? Mostly grunts from Pain and jumps 99.51.93.24 20:59, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's right. Simply having a "voice-actor" does not mean you speak. It just means someone was hired to add sounds to the character. The Rookie had a voice actor, yet he never spoke. Nothing states he will or will not speak in Halo: Reach, however. XRoadToDawnX 06:12, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the effort of mentioning both male and female voice actors warrants more than grunts and pain sounds, don't you think? - TheLostJedi  03:31, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing more than speculation. Sure, it could be interpreted as such. But it could have also been done to appease to anyone who wanted to know if Noble Six was going to be exclusively a guy in campaign. Nothing can be said otherwise until confirmation. XRoadToDawnX 19:17, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well here is confirmation that 6 does in fact speak. Obviously don't watch if you don't want any spoilers.  Jacktheinfinite101 21:49, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well here is confirmation that 6 does in fact speak. Obviously don't watch if you don't want any spoilers.  Jacktheinfinite101 21:49, August 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Noble Six speaks openly, read the article. - Black Mesa.jpg Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  22:11, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Canon armour
Due to the customisation of B312's armour, all images if this SPARTAN will be different. In the Beta, Mark V[B] came as the only armour available at the beginning - leaving the others to be unlocked later. This system will likely be the same in the release version. If so, we may have to keep images consistant with this, and take images of (for example) B312 in Recon as non-canon and to be removed from the biographical section and infobox (though allowed in the gallery). -- Forerunner 18:08, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd say we should allow pics of B312 in default armor only, even in the gallery. That is, no images of B312 in custom armor allowed at all. Mainly for the sake of consistency, but also because Bungie has used the default armor in most of their official screenshots and thus, it's the most "canon" one we can have. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Jugus (<font color="Gray">Talk  | <font color="Gray">Contribs ) 18:23, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agreed - the only non-default I can find was when Bungie was howing us that customisation wa acknowledged in cinematics.-- Forerunner 19:33, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, though we should allow both male and female variations on the page, as long as they retain the default armor. I would not like Halopedia to fall into gender favoritism or stereotyping. - Black Mesa.jpg Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  22:16, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

So, just to make sure it's clear for everyone who's going to ask about this later, that means that, for the sake of this article, Noble 6 is all default armour in black, but can be male or female. That sound right? Alex T Snow 15:20, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Gender doesn't appear to have a default setting. The colour is definitely black, yes. Pink-Flaming Recon with a flower design on the shoulder pad would just look terrible as an infobox image. Furthermore, you can also make yourself look exactly like one of your fellow Noble team members - two Jorges in a gallery picture would just be confusing.-- Forerunner 15:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Funny you said Jorge, cause he's the only one you can't be, I guess you could make a mini Jorge though ;) Alex T Snow 08:43, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually you can't be Kat either because of her arm--210.56.88.32 04:06, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can. Her prosthetic arm is an armor permutation. Que   Sera,  Sera  04:09, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously? That's awesome. Can it be either arm? Or both? Or just the side hers is on?--210.56.88.150 05:48, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can? Cool, it'd assume you would pick it like shoulders, that would make the most sense. Where is it that we were shown or told you can though? Alex T Snow 11:53, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * In the Reach Beta, some players would suddenly have their armor change (either after they die or when they respawned) and they would have armor characteristics that couldn't be unlocked in the Beta. On one of them that I saw, on a legitimate video of the Beta, there was a Spartan who had a prosthetic arm (among other things) on the wrong arm. There wouldn't be a design for the prosthetic limb on the other arm if it wasn't a permutation. Another notable example i can find is here. Its number 1 on the countdown. Que   Sera,  Sera  14:40, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

I know we just got through agreeing on an armor standard, but should we again consider the HUL helmet attachment that Noble 6 has been consistantly been shown to use? We have almost as many sources with the attachments than we do without, so this is difficult decision. It's in the VGA trailer (our first look at Nobel 6), and at least part of "The Battle Begins" TV spot. The trivia section on this page (erroneously) says that official material since the VGA has been devoid of this attachment. However, that is simply NOT the case.

Recent evidence shows that the official action figure has an equipped HUL and 312 is shown with it in the very recent live-action "Deliver Hope" cinematic as well. These alone are huge hints that we should at least reconsider our previous agreement. The fact that Bungie is still using the attachment in advertising media is enough in itself to warrant a discussion. --Nerfherder1428 15:28, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's not B312; that's the previous Noble 6 - Thom. Take note Kat's lack of her distinguished prosphetic arm, and the SPARTAN's orange paint on the back of his torso. This looks like the telling if how Thom died. Would the player character really die half-way through the battle?--  Fore  run  ner '' 16:02, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * This was also pretty much confirmed by Bungie here. He says that it's "their (Bungie's) perspective", which pretty much means it's the perspective we're supposed to take as canon. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Jugus (<font color="Gray">Talk  | <font color="Gray">Contribs ) 16:18, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I just realized this. Sorry for the confusion!--Nerfherder1428 20:29, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

noble 6 talking cont.
i read the article about the first cutscene for the game and noble six does say like two short lines68.7.78.20 14:43, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * We know. - Black Mesa.jpg Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  12:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Class
We've been basing our assumption that 312 is a Beta Company Spartan off of Jorge's comment in the trailer introducing Noble Team, but that line apparently doesn't exist in the final game, and without it we seem to have little other evidence pointing to 312 as a Beta Company Spartan - he certainly seems much younger than Kat. His official dossier doesn't state class, or even age. He may be a Gamma Company Spartan. mY point is that we don't know, and until we do, we should move the article to simply SPARTAN-312 and alter references to the character. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   11:22, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, we have more solid info to clarify that he/she is indeed from Beta. And even then, if he/she were from Gamma, they would be underage, and would have a lot of problems when portrayed in a video game. As in "over protective parent video game activists campaigning to ban the game" problems. - Black Mesa.jpg Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  11:29, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah. I had forgotten about that. Thanks for correcting me. --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   20:41, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

When Dr. Halsey says "Hyper lethal, hmm, only one other SPARTAN with that rating." Is that one other SPARTAN John-117??? --Kluutak 21:21, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * More than likely it's meant to be an offhand reference to John-117. That line is there for the players, from an In Universe perspective, John isn't really that great of a soldier, he was just a lucky one who got a lot of positive press. --WhellerNG 21:15, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * John killed thousands of Covenant. I agree that it's a nod to fans, but he is an elite soldier. Tgor  365  21:24, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * No more than any other Spartan. People have it up in their heads that John-117, as he's the protagonist of the first 3 Halo games, that he's super awesome and the best there ever was. He isn't. He's good, yeah, but he's not the best. --WhellerNG 21:30, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * His luck and awareness kept him going. He did the most. He survived the most. He killed the most. He saved humanity. Maybe he had no more athleticism than the rest, but he accomplished more on the battlefield than any other human, and that makes him the best soldier ever. Tgor  365  21:39, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Date of Death
Noble 6 dies on the 30th of August 2552 after fighting off wave after wave of elites. Someone should put it down. REach Out 07:57, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

FJ/PARA
This is not really a "I think canon is" issue, but has anyone else noticed that in all the non in-game media about 312, even current stuff, he is wearing FJ/PARA knees? The action-figurey one by McFarlane, the xbox avatar Noble 6 suit, and a whole bunch of pictures and wallpapers of him - including at least one by Bungie -, they're always FJ/PARA. That and every other member of Noble wears them too, except Jorge, cause he's huge and a S-II, and Kat, cause she's female. That's not meant to be sexist or anything, but the default ones do make her more female. It seems like standard (male at least) S-III knees are meant to FJ/PARA. And before anyone says anything, yes, I know S-312 is whatever you want him to be, no matter how nonsensical it may be, that's what canon is, just thought this was interesting. Alex T Snow 04:14, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

Birthdate
I know we don't know it, but since we know he's Beta Company can't we figure out he's between something and something? Early 20s I think, as Kat's 22... Alex T Snow 02:40, 2 November 2010 (EDT)