User talk:Grizzlei

=Ye Olde Pube= A general discussion chat section, doesn't necessarily have to be related to Halo, Halopedia, or Wikia. Off-topic discussions are encouraged. The title of my "off-topic lounge" is "Ye Olde Pube", a reference to the bar of the same name that Peter Griffin built and operated in his basement in the Family Guy episode, Mind Over Murder.

=Serious Talk=

Halo Waypoint
Article : Halo Waypoint. Hi CommanderTony, Just to get your attention, the above article has been listed for grammatical clean up but has been lock. I understand that the article has been presented as if it had been directly copied off from Bungie (or whoever created it). Could you lower the security for the article. Thanks.--BlackSuitHalo 08:30, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

"News Service" Templates
Greetings Tony, my attention is being drawn by the Halopedia News Service which is quickly evolving. Since you are the Chief Editor there, should we create a new line of templates regarding the Service itself? (for example to indicate a user who is involved or a page which is an article's main subject) 19:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * These two are those I've conceived so far, until their coding is provisional changes can be made in no time. 16:50, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

A useful template
Hi CT, I continuing my work for the HNS. I've created a template from your work, which can be put at the beginning of each article.

Usage:

Hope it doesn't let you down. 21:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

HaaloFan500-CommanderTony
Hello I'm HaloFan500, Admin of | Munkapedia, a Wikia that has recently become active and is trying to grow. However there is much to do. Halopedia is very sucessful, if at all possible you'd you be willing to help me, by providing templetes, codings, and things of the sort.--Your good friend, and Admin HaloFan500 {  My Talk } 21:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Any reason you deleted my template?--Your good friend, and Admin HaloFan500 {  My Talk } 17:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Er Hi
I'm in the middle of a conversation with a friend, CT comes in and tells me to take it elsewhere... Yeah I'm gonna' have a great day >:(

Meat & Taters... 22:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah.

Meat & Taters... 23:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Hello
i'm sorry i tried to be polite and civil i don't know why everyone is mad at me? oh well nice guys fininsh last i guess it won't happen again --Hansoloandleia 23:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes sir but i think i would like to leave halopedia i have not yet found a site were people are nice too one an other. i'll just start my own halo site i guess.--Hansoloandleia 23:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Please stop sending me messeges and donot contact me again thank you i'm sorry for troubling you and once again i give you my apology --Hansoloandleia 23:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

And good day to you old chap--Hansoloandleia 23:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

HotM
I humbly accept the award, thanks. As for my partial inactivity, well I'll be soon back in action, got many real-life troubles on my hands as of now. 12:15, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Feedback needed
Tony, I left a message with Manticore, and wanted to reach out to you as well. We have a great opportunity to work with Microsoft, but I need some feedback. Are the blogs the best place? Check out my post and let me know if there is a better way of getting the community involved. Cheers -- Doug (talk ) 20:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Hah! That was amazing...you read my mind! Thanks for the site notice =0) -- Doug (talk ) 20:25, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

New Bungie Project
The New Bungie Project page you deleted... it is needed. Because it is NOT Halo: Reach. Read again:

"While most of the studio's collective might has made the shift over to Halo: Reach to lend their time, talent, and insights into making it kick tons of ass when it comes out in Fall of 2010, your focus should be elsewhere. There no need for you to invest in cryogenics and endure a frigid hibernation season to help ease your wait—there's only 88 days left until Halo 3: ODST hits store shelves.  You're shipping out on September 22nd, 2009. So mark your calendars, pre-order your copy, and GET SET for a combat drop. Oh and we've said it before, but since various denizens from around the Internet were once again speculating on what else we’re whipping up, yeah, we've also got a third, super secret thing in the works that you know nothing about. We'd love to tell you all about it, but as you may have learned from the proceeding sentence, it’s super secret. All in due time. When we have something to show you, we'll...uh...show it to you. Until then, mind ya bizness."

This was from today's (6/26/09) Weekly Update.

See? There is ODST, Reach, and then a third new game!

Re:Re: New Bungie Project
Well, then why does Marathon and District 9 have their own page? It isn't Halo: Marathon or Halo: Disctrict 9? Shouldn't those be deleted too, then? Sure, Halo has Marathon references, but it also has a HUGE reference to their game Oni and that doesn't have a page here!
 * More Marathon references than Oni references. Lot more. And sign your edits, dude. Srsly. [[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  01:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

article
May i make an article about spawn killing? I am trying to think of things to do, and i will also provide a link in the newb article--Shade Link 15:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

My talk page
Why do you keep reverting my edit on my talk page? - (Jangos) Legacy  (talk) 23:48, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, same here. I don't appreciate my profile being tampered with, Mr. Administrator. EtErNiTy92 00:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * In answer to both your questions, it seems that you're not supposed to remove stuff from your talk page. Ever. You can, however, move stuff off of your talk page into archival subpages -- as CommanderTony himself has done -- provided that you link to such subpages at the top of your talk page. I can provide instructions on how to do this, if you so desire. [[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  01:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Well...I just edited my talk page and don't want it reverted... =[ I'm gonna leave it as it is. Just...No one tamper with it. EtErNiTy92 01:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And it's tampered again. >_> Administrators show no respect to other people. EtErNiTy92 04:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You could just archive it, you know.  Smoke Sound off! 04:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine, whatever I guess. I show respect to Halopedia but it does not respect me. EtErNiTy92 04:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * No you aren't, and we're telling you the correct way to do it. It's up to you whether or not to do it.  Smoke Sound off! 04:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * >_> EtErNiTy92 04:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Just frickin' do it and stop spamming his talk page. Thanks in advance.  Smoke Sound off! 04:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk Pages
Why can't one remove content from their own Talk Page? I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just mildly curious. Kougermasters  ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  05:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Halopedia News Service Content
Hello, Tony. I have several ideas for some new content in the HNS. First of all, I was wondering if we could have a screenshot competition. People enter their screenshots and at the end of the week, one gets first, one gets second, and one gets third as voted by the Halopedia News Staff. Also, there should be an award called Editor of the Week, for the Editor who writes the most, or most popular news article(s) in a week, and also helps with the formatting of the Main Page, the News Ticker, etc.

Also, I have come in regards to Halopedia Warz. Don't you think it's time you did something about it? I would gladly participate in reviving it. Also, if it is revived, could Halopedians form their own Halo 3 teams, with unique names and such, just like what was done with Halo Wars?

I hope my ideas appeal to you. Have a nice night! Kougermasters  ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  08:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If I may put my two cents in, I think screenshot(s) and editor of the week are pretty good. [[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  17:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Offer Messege
I hope you got my messege Spedster777 13:58, October 24, 2009 (EST)

ODST Info
I don't know why I can't edit the Halo 3: ODST page, probably because of my low position. But, a little snippet of info is that after reviewing the gameplay footage a few times I've noticed that Bungie has taken the tunnel vision problem from Halo 3 into consideration and have fixed it to a certain degree. Just something I thought you could add to the trivia. Look over the gameplay and see for yourself.--Underdogg13 22:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Question for Interview
How about you ask if they check in on what the Halo fan fiction sites are doing? --Lord of SPARTANsLOMI HQI here your criesMay your works be honorable 00:43, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Image
Yeah, that was kind of the point. It was for a blog and would have made sense there, but I can just upload it again when I need it. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 06:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry. My dad's family's Jewish. I'm really mocking anti-Semitic guys with a stupid picture. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 02:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Why was my image deleted?
I posted a funny movie poster I made on my own talk page, and came back today to find it gone, replaced by a standard welcome message... that I already got. Is there an issue with the image? Juranas 21:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Guesty-Persony-Thingy
Hey Tony, Im an admin at Pfhorpedia, the Marathon Wiki, and I just received an anonymous message from someone claiming to be GPT wanting to be paid to come back to our respective sites. Normally I would disregard it as fake, but he mentions both our wikis as if he really was GPT, I was hoping that you could shed some light on the situation.--Vanguard7 20:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree completely. I only brought it to your attention because of the references to our sites, in that it sounded like it could be him--Vanguard7 20:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Site Scout
Hey, CT, I am a sysop on the Section 8 Wiki and I was wondering how you got the site scout special page here because it works a lot better than recent changes. Thanks - ShadowBroker44   (TALK)   (CONTRIBS) 20:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Halo ODST Event
Tony, hope all is well. This afternoon we will be launching the promised Halo ODST event for MS, and giving out tons of schwag. We would love a site notice, and of course getting the word out about the giveaway. Check out the blog post here and let me know if you have any questions :) -- Doug (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 18:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yo yo yo! Commander T, we sent out the initial round of winners on the 27th, some haven't responded so we re picked and emailed out confirmation again. People should be getting their schwag in a week or so.  Congrats on a job well done sir. -- <font color="Blue">Doug  (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:21, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Help me understand.
You have deleted a page I made twice now for duping another page. If I can have a link to that page, that would be nice. I am only making a page that DOES NOT EXIST YET. It would exist if you would stop deleting it. Thank you.

Tony, yesterday you wrongly banned me. I created an article three times that you deleted three times. However, upon review, the second admin you said that I was contacted by gave me a link to HALO 2's IRON SKULL when my article was about HALO 3: ODST'S IRON SKULL. I asked for an article that I supposedly duped, and that is what I got. Why?

Just a question
Hi, I'm Soviet_SPESTNAZ from WiCapedia: the World in Conflict wiki. I'd just like to ask you how you made the main page of your wiki(including the side tabs like the gameplay, universe, etc.). It looks very nice. And also, I'd like to ask about you're templates and how you made them. If somebody else made the things mentioned above, then who are they and what are they're user names? Our wiki is in need of more editors, could you ask some you're editors to help me? Thanks in advance! Here is our site: WiCapedia[] Soviet SPETSNAZ 04:37, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

User Levels
Could you tell me the HTML coding for the User Levels addon at the top of a the User Pages? Thanks! P i r a t e h u n t e r (Talk&bull;Contribs) 20:07, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

WTF?!
uhh I have so far gotten 5 awards but only 2 of which actually pop up on my awards chest (I still have the messages in my inbox of my E-Mail) Soo, I was wondering if you could fix that little bug of the wiki.--Mishulover69 22:54, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

1337 being a 7 reference
why did you remove it? it's rather easy conclusion to come to that given bungie's well known obsession of putting 7 in everything some how

a new halo vidoc
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http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Video:Halo_3:_ODST_ViDoc_-_%22Terra_Incognita%22_HD

for some reason i cannot edit the Halo 3:ODST article and i thought you might be able to put this video there.Eaite&#39;Oodat 20:59, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

usergroups
Hey, Tony, while bouncing around the site I noticed that the official pages for the usergroups (list page) doesnt have a mention of their disbanding.-- Vanguard 02:50, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts Wiki Staff
Hello, CommanderTony. My name is DoorToNothing, and I am a Moderator over at the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Recently, the staff and I noticed that you have two templates that we wanted to implement into our wiki: Template:Era and Template:Eraicon. We tried to implement the the two templates onto our Wiki, with minor changes such as the image and game-name. However, even with the help of our coding master (ILHI), we still can't get it to work. We've added a few things to our MediaWiki's CSS and JS that you use to try to get it working, but still no results. Could you please take a look at our templates and MediaWiki's CSS and JS to help us get this working, and maybe even give us a draft of what our MediaWiki's CSS and JS should look like with the necessary coding? Our templates can be found here:


 * Template:Game
 * Template:Gameicon
 * MediaWiki CSS
 * MediaWiki JS

Please and thank you, -- Door To  Nothing  19:44, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

easter egg
Why was the easter egg deleted? Philly100000 04:45, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Troll?
I couldn't get a hold of you on IRC at the time so I decided to ask you here before I forget. What counts as flame/trolling on the IRC channel? Here, I'll post the messages if you want, but I don't want to right now since it takes up ALOT of room.Papayaking 03:24, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Social features
Hi, Tony -- I'm doing a project right now looking at how the wikis who have social features are using them. Do you have a minute to talk on IRC today? I'd like to know what you think. -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:04, October 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's weird -- I'm in #Halopedia, but I don't see Gaijinsamurai... Can you try PM'ing me? I'm Toughpigs. :) -- <font color="Blue">Danny (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 21:15, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

About your sig
Hey, CT did you know that your sig is self-updating? the template you put on pages in place of your sig updates the date to the current day. for instence your signature says that you just commented on Nicmavers RfA today even though it was almost a mouth from now. I'm not criticizing I just thought you should know. ~   ~   ~   ~   10:30, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Srz Bznz
It's been sitting around for a while, and some closure, regardless of direction, would be nice. http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Halopedia_talk:IRC_Channel#Ghost_sangheili_for_Op

Unjust removal of discussion comments....
You recently removed some comments I added to the discussion of The Package because they were "social" or "unneeded". I don't think this was done fairly and I was just wondering what specifically about them was grounds for removing them? What rule(s) did I violate?

I've seen many other posts that fall into the "social" and "unneeded" categories far more than mine did, yet you didn't have them removed. My comments simply gave my opinion on subjects started by other users. They weren't flames, trolling, or spam, so what made you remove them? Isn't the "discussion" section of an article for discussions related to the article? That's what I thought I was doing; participating in the discussion. --Mayhemm 07:35, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * If the comments (or the containing discussions) were entirely superfluous, an admin can remove them. <span style="background:#AADDAA;display:inline-block;height:16px;padding-right:4px;line-height:1em;position:relative;top:-3px;-moz-border-radius:0 50% 50%">[[Image:DavidJCobb_Emblem.svg|16px]] DavidJCobb  03:31, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Obviously, because he did. But clearly it isn't Halopedia policy to remove all superfluous comments since there are hundreds if not thousands of equal or lesser comments that have not been removed.  I want to know why mine were selected for removal amongst all these others.--Mayhemm 22:04, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen the edits in question, and I have to agree, the user was treated unfairly. The comments were perfectly on topic, and not at all "social and unneeded". I suggest you reconsider your decision CT. -   Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  22:32, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I put the statements back. There was nothing wrong with the statements that would warrant their removal. It wasn't necessarily social; he was participating in a discussion.  Smoke Sound off! 22:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

M6G
I have question about the M6G. Is the max ammo 40 bullets with five clips, or 48 bullets with six clips? When I edited it to be the latter, someone undid my action, so for now, I have it as the first. Hyper Zergling 19:13, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * First things first: It's a magazine, not a clip. There is a difference. Secondly, the maximum is six magazines, with one magazine in the weapon itself. That's forty rounds in reserve, and eight rounds in the pistol.  Smoke Sound off! 19:38, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Ultra Forces' Epic Phail
A moment ago, I was trying to put a character Info box into my wiki userpage. But when I noticed that you removed it, I knew something was wrong becease it said that is was an article. In my head, I thought "Ultra Force, You failed!" So I'm just here to say sorry about my mistake. I'll try to make sure that it won't happen again. I'm still sort of new here. --Ultra Force 03:09, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

BLARG!
Haven't heard from one of my favorite admins in a long time. How are you? =] -- <font color="#D3D3D3">B <font color="#A9A9A9">le <font color="#808080">mo  <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="#A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="#A9A9A9">EMAIL • <font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="">CALENDER • <font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">MESSAGE''
 * Hehe, pretty busy. I'm trying to work with school time and visited here more often, but it's just become so much more inconvenient. I'll probably just stick with finding you guys over IRC. :P -- <font color="#D3D3D3">B <font color="#A9A9A9">le <font color="#808080">mo [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="#A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="#A9A9A9">EMAIL • <font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="">CALENDER • <font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="By the time you finish reading this hidden message, twelve nuclear warheads will have been launched toward your location. Thank you and have a nice day.">MESSAGE''

Master Chief/Quotes
I noticed you don't have a page for John-117 quotes would you like me to make one? :) --Kluutak 23:26, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, found it, disregard my last post, I hope I have not wasted your time. :_(

I'm confused?
How come you deleted my blog? I don't understand what the report thing means. It said I didn't use some kind of guidelines, but I don't know what they are. Could you enlighten me?

Page error!
Error[add to this page] The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "Talk:List of Halo 2 changes" (Diff: 965701, 0). This is usually caused by following an outdated diff or history link to a page that has been deleted. '''If this is not the case, you may have found a bug in the software. Please report this to an administrator, making note of the URL.''' http://halo.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_Halo_2_changes&s=wldiff&diff=0&oldid=965701 Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 18:26, February 11, 2010 (UTC)!


 * It's deleted.  Smoke Sound off! 18:46, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Why?Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 18:51, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was redundant. - Major.png Nìcmávr  ( Tálk  ) 18:54, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

What if I was to rewrite it on Pages and then I will send it to you when I am finished and if it is good enough we will put it back?!Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 19:00, February 11, 2010 (UTC)!
 * I don't think so. Its not the content, its the page itself. We don't need a list of Halo 2 changes because its not warranted as a needed page. - Major.png Nìcmávr  ( Tálk  ) 19:10, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Why should it not be? I mean then we can look and see what is the difference between the things!Thank you taking time to listen to my post! 19:14, February 11, 2010 (UTC)!!!!!!!!
 * If there's not enough to add, then it stays in the Halo 3 article or something. And for the 1000th time, stop abusing the exclamation marks. There's no need to add 8 whole marks at the end of you post. Just one period (.) - Major.png Nìcmávr  ( Tálk  ) 19:53, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Project 'Flooding Out'
Hey. I don't know if you are in charge of Halopedia or what, so I'm just gonna explain my problem to you,a n admin (if that is what you are!)

OK, my user page is blank. Last year it had lots o' stuff about me, but now its gone. Has this got anything to do with Project: Flooding Out? Please reply on my talk page if you can, thanks! CHICKEN007 09:11, February 12, 2010 (UTC)CHICKEN007

Halo Fanon Machinima
Hey, Ahalosniper here. I'm working on a machinima adaption of LOMI's Heralds of Chaos. You are a character in it, and if it is alright by you, I need your Halo 3 multiplayer appearence. Armor perms, primary, secondary, and detail, along with an emblem if you wish.

Good luck in the sequel,

That Damn Sniper, sniping. 00:18, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Halo: Reach landing page
Hi Tony. Joe from the Gaming Team here. To get ready for the Halo: Reach beta, Microsoft would like to partner with Halopedia and build out a Halo: Reach landing page. It could live on the category page or we could create a portal page, similar to Portal:Fallout: New Vegas at the Fallout Wiki. The idea is to make the page appear like a main page but have it focus entirely on Halo: Reach. So on the page, in addition to lots of links to articles, we could have a blog posts listing, a gallery of images, an embedded video, etc. We plan to get assets from Microsoft (screenshots, images of characters and/or weapons, video, etc.) that we could use to help make the page look hawt.

We would also like to run a contest once the page is completed. No details have been decided yet, but we plan to hit up Microsoft for some swag to giveaway. So first things first - for now, we just want to know if you guys are interested in the landing page idea, and if so, do you want it to be on the category page or a new portal page? Obviously we want the rest of the admins to be involved in this decision, so if there's a place you'd rather me talk about this, let me know. Or I could message the other admins and link to your talk page and have the discussion here, whichever you prefer. JoePlay ( talk ) 18:46, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up about the admin email address. Sending email now. JoePlay ( talk ) 18:59, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * Apparently my email didn't go through. I got this returned message...


 * We're writing to let you know that the group you tried to contact (halopedia-admins) may not exist, or you may not have permission to post messages to the group. A few more details on why you weren't able to post:


 * You might have spelled or formatted the group name incorrectly.
 * The owner of the group may have removed this group.
 * You may need to join the group before receiving permission to post.
 * This group may not be open to posting.


 * If you are able to use that email address, could you use it to contact the other admins using the message I originally posted here? Add me as CC to the email if you don't mind - joe@wikia-inc.com Thanks. JoePlay ( talk ) 21:28, March 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * It seems like a good idea to me. The contest for the Halo 3 release helped get Halopedia noticed by the big Halo fansites, which promoted membership. Something more official seems like it would increase Halopedia's standing among such websites. Halopedia doesn't really have portals. This could be an okay thing on its own to serve its particular purpose, though. *shrugs* --<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c laws (<font color="#4D56B1">talk ) 17:33, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Halo Answers Wiki
Hi Tony. I wanted to let you know that we created a Halo Answers Wiki. Please spread the word here at Halopedia. Also, if you want I can give you bcrat status at the Answers wiki. Just say so. JoePlay ( talk ) 23:28, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

How do you Archive UserTalk pages?
I don't know how to but in the future I want to move old stuff on my UserTalk page into archives. But how do you move it? Like moving title of the page or creating one? --> Master   Chief   Petty   Officer   John-117  ( Personal Favorite ). 07:23, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding page references
I've been sprucing up the Thel 'Vadam article with some information from Halo: The Cole Protocol, but I'm still a little new at this. When adding a page reference to a paragraph that draws references from more than one chapter in the book, do I put down the start/end pages of the chapter or setction in question, just the pages with important information such as names or events, or what? I'm a bit reticent to just blunder in and screw up such an important article by putting in improper page references, so I started by just getting the references for single-chapter sections, which I know from my college classes how to manage. Dewback rancher 15:34, April 20, 2010 (UTC)