Talk:Maugen-pattern armored cruiser

How do we know that's an image of an RCS Cruiser? I thought that was a CCS cruiser. Am I missing something? --MisterRandom2 (talk) 13:13, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * Definitely wish I had the guide to see, but if the RCS is what we thought the CCS was, then no CCS in Halo 4 at all :/ Sith-venator Wavingstrider  Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 13:22, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * Actually, there are CCS-class battlecruisers in Halo 4, but the more prominent ones seen are the CRS-class light cruiser and RCS-class armored cruiser, which is the one that is seen being smashed apart by the UNSC Infinity ramming through its armored hull like paper in Spartan Ops. -- Xamikaze330  [Transmission |Commencing ] 13:34, 18 September 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330


 * H4 SO S01E10 Palmer watching Covenant fleet.jpg are these CCS or RCS class? Obviously the little ones are CRS. Sith-venator Wavingstrider Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 13:39, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * How do we know that's an RCS cruiser the Infinity rams into? Until now, it's been assumed that was a CCS Cruiser. -- MisterRandom2 (talk) 13:41, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * (reset indent) Because the one in the infobox picture looks identical to the cruiser in the H4TEVG. As for the picture presented here, it looks more like a CCS than an RCS. But it's difficult to tell, since there isn't a lot of detail showing in the image. It could just as easily be an RCS as it could be a CCS. I'm not 100% certain about that. -- Xamikaze330  [Transmission |Commencing ] 13:48, 18 September 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330


 * Do you have an image from the guide itself that can be put in the infobox? I don't have the H4TEVG myself (yet). -- MisterRandom2 (talk) 13:52, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

I'm soooo confused right now!!! -Master of Halo


 * That might be a problem. It sort of crosses over onto the next page. But I'll try, next chance I get. Just can't say when. I'm still working on a bunch of other things in relation to the guide. But I do agree another image is needed for a relatively clearer picture. -- Xamikaze330  [Transmission |Commencing ] 13:56, 18 September 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330


 * cool. --MisterRandom2 (talk) 13:58, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * (reset indent) UPDATE: Done. Had to stitch it together a little bit, but it turned out all right. -- Xamikaze330  [Transmission |Commencing ] 16:46, 18 September 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
 * Awesome! Looks good. :) -- MisterRandom2 (talk) 16:58, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * However, we still gotta' figure out which is which in the picture above >.< Sith-venator Wavingstrider  Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 17:53, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * There were no CCS-class cruisers in Halo 4 or Spartan Ops. The only two they had in the game are the 2,000m armored cruisers and the 300m light cruisers. If it was small and full of yellow-green lights, it's a light cruiser. If it's bristling with spines, tons of windows, and has additional hexagonal plates of 'armor' all over it, it's an RCS-class. There are minor differences between the CCS and RCS, notably the heavier armor and a slightly longer and wider superstructure. Like many Covenant capital ships, it's dimensions are similar to other cruiser styles. Hope that clears it up.-ScaleMaster117 (talk) 20:14, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * It does >:), though it is sad to see a ship that had been in every single Halo game to be left out. Of course now we also have to interpret if the Cruisers we see in Halo: Spartan Assault and Halo: Initiation are CCS or RCS as well. Unless you know? <.< Sith-venator Wavingstrider Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 20:35, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * Unfortunately I'm behind on Spartan Assault not possessing a device capable of playing it. Hopefully it's on something more common soon. I don't care for the top-down play design of it (just as I disliked Halo Wars) but I'll still get it when I can make use of it. As it says in the text about the Covenant cruisers, the CCS-classes were heavily used in the war and now, 'Mdama doesn't have those resources in great supply anymore. It's the less common ones during the war that are now the ones not yet destroyed. It's what they can find about now. You can blame me for getting that cruiser tagged in the book as an RCS though...that was my decision and I stand by it. :) -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 22:24, 18 September 2013 (EDT)


 * Operation A.pngHSA-Cinematic-Horizon.jpgInitiationDrop.jpg are the only two times cruisers appear in Spartan Assault and the third picture shows two cruisers with a CAS-class assault carrier in the corner. Like I said before, I can't tell the CCS and RCS apart. Can you tell by looking at these three pictures? Sith-venator Wavingstrider Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 00:02, 19 September 2013 (EDT)


 * Can't say for sure. But it looks like they are all CCS-class battlecruisers to me. -- Xamikaze330  [Transmission |Commencing ] 00:11, 19 September 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330

The outward visual difference in how 343i redesigned the cruiser is negligible (in Halo 4) so a light cruiser versus a CCS would only be distinguishable by its size. If the size can't be determined by relative references around it, a definitive call can't be made. The first pic you linked has what look like either a CCS or a CRS. What size is it? Can't tell from the still image but if the one immediately below the carrier is on our side of the carrier it's a CRS because it's too small to be a CCS at that distance from the carrier. If it's on the far side, it's a CCS. The second pic, it's hard to say also. It's coming through cloud cover with no comparison references to determine its size. The third pic I'd hazard are CCS battlecruisers. It's difficult in that it's based on a drawing, so everything is in focus. A distant cruiser behind the carrier should be blurry. That said, if the cruisers and carrier are that close, then CCS is almost assured. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 06:53, 19 September 2013 (EDT)