Talk:UNSC Infinity

Halo 4
Nothing on Halo 4?

You'll have to forgive me becuse I'm new to the wiki but here gose nothing. I noticed that there wasn't anything about what it could be doing in Halo 4. Are there any leads about that that people can't put in the artical becuse it's unconfirmed? Jac0bBau3r1995 01:30, 11 November 2011 (EST)
 * Considering the game is still over a year from release, it's not surprising at all that there is no info on what it's doing in Halo 4 as of yet.-- Lt. Commander  光环的家伙1234   Talk  ( Contribs ) ( Edits ) 01:35, 11 November 2011 (EST)

The UNSC Infinity has been mentioned various times in association with Halo 4. The artwork of the Infinity is from the Halo 4 panel. ADinoSupremacist

Already?
I'm sorry, but I don't see how this could have been made already. First of all, the first time they have ever even seen Forerunner technology was just 4 (or so) months ago when Cortana came back to Earth. Second, humanity and ONI are now just jumping on the idea of Covenant technology, the technology that Cortana brought back, that the Separatists are showing them, and the amount they have been able to reverse-engineer; much less something like Forerunners. Third, Cortana only brought back software, and they have only been able to see actual Forerunner hardware on Trevelyan. Fourth, ships take a long time to make, I don't care if you're talking about a super-advanced Covenant warship or a UNSC battle-cruiser. Ships take a LONG time to make. So I don't see how they could have constructed anything in that time.

So I have a few theories. Maybe this originally started out as the UNSC just building an experimental really-awesome, super huge and super powerful warship.. But then after they started discovering Covenant technology (i.e., incorporating plasma hand-held weapons on a large scale), they changed it from just a really strong warship, to a place to test out their attempts at reverse engineering Covenant technology on a large scale (and stuff like the Ascendant Justice helped speed that along quite well). Then, after they got the Halo data, they changed it from a Covenant reverse-engineering project to a Forerunner data incorporation program.

So the way I picture Infinity is not a well uniformed, perfectly functional Forerunner warship. Rather a clunky, very jumbled piece of ship-ery. With some parts being advanced human warship, some parts being attempted Covenant reverse engineering, and some (probably the smallest, read my first reason in the first paragraph) parts being attempted reverse-enginnered Forerunner technology.

Also this is not to say at all that Infinity will be anything close to even the weakest of Forerunner ships, for reasons like the ones I said above and things like it took the Covenant thousands of years to reverse-engineer their technology to the level that they had, and it still wasn't anything close to achieving its full power.

So yeah, I like to think of Infinity as a very jumbled, very ununiform piece of technology. Think of it as a mid-pubecent teenager. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  18:34, 12 November 2011 (EST)!


 * You don't give Humanity very much credit. They have had extensive access to Forerunner artifacts since 2531 on Arcadia. Also, Halsey had access to that Forerunner complex on Reach for like a year. Noble team spent what seemed like an hour as she dowloaded all of her data. You're right when you say it was probably already a different class, but they did have lots of time to create the enchancements. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  08:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * Yeah, but the San Shyuum' had unrestricted access to a fucking Forerunner Dreadnought for thousands of years and look how much they managed to reverse engineer it. Vegerot goes RAWR! Icon-Vegito2.gif Vegerot  ( talk )  10:57, 13 November 2011 (EST)!


 * Fatalsnipe: they do have access to those artefacts, but I would have assume that to crack that Forerunner technology would require within a century to crack it. It took a group of human scientists almost 20+ years to construct a proper shielding system for the MJOLNIR using Kig-yar defense gauntlet as a reference, a technology that was alien to them and almost non-existent. Those scientists were still unable to figure out how Covenant weapons function (i.e. Needler being the best example) even till the end of the Human-Covenant War. But within several years after the war, they manage to crack every alien technology as if they've stumbled upon a "How-To-Use/DIY" manual? It's all too iffy to me.— subtank  12:44, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * Cortana's information from Installation 04 may be just the "How-To-Use/DIY" manual you describe. We have no idea what that data was, and even Cortana didn't seem to be too clear. For all we know, it might have been step-by-step instructions of how to assemble Forerunner legos, or a guide to understanding and translating their spoken and mathematical languages. Humanity was working on the problem for 20+ years with little idea what they were really dealing with, and only poor knockoffs to work from, which would present their own unique problems. Even the Prophets didn't fully understand what they were dealing with. With some context, and some "pure" examples of Forerunner technology with none of the flaws to scratch their heads at, the time could be radically cut. I do agree that it seems a bit soon to have a testbed ship in service already, but I was looking forward to a century-long cryo-sleep for the Chief and for the old hero to be reawakened in a new and strange world, both literally and figuratively. I guess I'm just like that. And let's not forget that even prototypes aren't perfect - when they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked! --  Specops306   Autocrat     Qur'a 'Morhek   17:00, 13 November 2011 (EST)
 * Yeah, but when Pirates of the Carribean breaks down, it doesn't cause a cataclysmic slipspace eruption that swallows the ship. Lol, I had to. Anyways, I agree, it isn't likely but it is feasible. pestilence   Phil,  pestilence!  17:16, 13 November 2011 (EST)


 * And that is the question: what is the data recovered from the Halo? I would say building Forerunner legos; you can almost build anything with the power of imagination! :P — subtank  17:26, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Yeah, like I said, Forerunner. It definitely isn't perfect, and in my mind I picture it as more of a clunky, jumbled-up thing rather than a fully functional Forerunner ship of war. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  17:25, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

I'm assuming humanity's Reclaimer status also had something to do with our rapid grasp of Forerunner technology - either that or it was part of the geas implanted by the Forerunners SPARTAN-347 23:09, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Hmmm, didn't think of that. Which is funny because I was the one who came up with that theory in the first place, derp. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  23:12, 13 November 2011 (EST)!

Humanity also had all the of the Huragok they brought back on the Gettysburg, and then Vergil. So they could have quickly managed to bring things online... and we don't know how long M.P. and Oni have known about Installation 03. A functioning sane Monitor, or... even an insane one... could have helped them along. ProphetofTruth 23:40, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Actually, at the beginning it says that they had 5 more Halos to find. Which means that they had known about Installation 03 for around 4 months AT MOST. Vegerot goes RAWR! Vegerot ( talk )  19:59, 15 November 2011 (EST)

I personally think that humanity would really be that fast with forerunner technologie. Because the San Shyuum didn't acces the Dreadnought they also didn't found other thinks, see contact Harvest. The humans however, didn't mind toutching the forerunner tech, and as such they would be faster with engineering!--Bdgroot-117 13:23, 23 December 2011 (EST)
 * True, but you're forgetting the thousands of years when the San 'Shyuum locked themselves in the Dreadnought and while they were in space.  (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!'' 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!

Just a reminder, Glasslands said that workers were stationed in the Oort cloud over several YEARS, not months. Obviously this tells me they began working on the ship at least sometime between 2540-2552. Humans were reverse-engineering covenant technology since 2532, so the UNSC Infinity makes perfect sense. They simply made the decision to conceal it from the covenant (and everyone else) by enforcing a communications blackout and having it constructed somewhere the covenant wouldn't give a crap about. Thus humanity was given an opportunity to pour every piece of covenant & forerunner tech into it without it being destroyed like other advance tech before it. Also it is quite possible that there is more than one of these kinds of ships being constructed in the same place considering there were two "Infinity's" in the concept picture. Hopefully Halo 4 and the sequel to Glasslands will explain what we want to know.--Killamint 15:00, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * Hmm.. Interesting theory.. I will keep that in the back of my head.--Bdgroot-117 15:20, 17 January 2012 (EST)
 * Even a modern, non-space ship, takes many many years to build. But yeah, which is exactly why I said what I said in the initial post.  So does that mean you agree?  (or so it says in the sacred caves) Vegerot!'' 19:18, 20 February 2012 (EST)!


 * I agree with you that the ship could have taken many years to build. However, considering it's the 2500's, construction methods & times may be a lot different than today and it may take shorter amounts of time to construct massive mile-long ships than ever thought possible. Also, I just don't agree with your theory that not much development/research had gone into covey/forn tech until Cortana came back w/ 4 months worth of forerunner tech. I'm basically going off canon info- seeing that the UNSC had a prototype tank that fired plasma rounds in 2531, that tech could have been shipped back to the Infinity construction site- it even says: "...the data gleaned from the Rhino's development and use was later used on other projects." So to me it's quite possible. Now maybe not much forerunner tech had been reversed-engineered, so it may not be much of a comparison w/ actual forerunner ships, but humanity is just getting back on their feet after years of fighting a powerful foe. Give them a chance! My bad for talking your head off but hard to explain myself in short sentences.--Killamint 13:39, 22 February 2012 (EST)

Concern over updated image
I found an updated, higher quality image of the UNSC Infinity. This is NOT a scan therefore it is allowed. Images of the same nature are allowed on this site so why not this one? The main image for this article is taken from a camera and is poorer quality than this one and is also outdated since the new UNSC logo is visible on the ship. It's the same image that we have on the article except it has the Game Informer logo on it. --ADinoSupremacist 15:38, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

First appearance in The Thursday War?
Since the Infinity is clearly seen on the cover of The Thursday War, would this make it the first actual appearance and not Halo 4? --ADinoSupremacist 19:25, 4 May 2012 (EDT)


 * Nope. It first appeared in the concept art of Halo 4. That should be its first appearance since that was first revealed to the public. — subtank   19:33, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

Though when Noble Team first appeared in Deliver Hope, that counts as their first appearance, not Reach. So if the Infinity is in The Thursday War (not a reference, but it's actually in the book) then it counts as a first appearance while Halo 4 will be a first in-game appearance. Many Halo elements appeared in the books first. --ADinoSupremacist 04:36, 5 May 2012 (EDT)


 * While I will still stick to my opinion, I don't know how we can resolve this appearance issue. Perhaps the users behind these "List of appearances" project could provide their input? — subtank   11:00, 6 May 2012 (EDT)
 * If in fact the Infinity is in The Thursday War, it would be it's first appearance since the novel is set to be released before Halo 4. The Infinity should still have for it's appearance in Glasslands. Also, we didn't include the Infinity appearing in Halo 4 just because it was shown concept art for the game (concept art does not constitute as an appearance, just look at the ). We waited until it was confirmed by 343i to be in the game.--Gravemind.svg  Col. Spartacus  Talk Page Contributions  11:11, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Possibly a Supercarrier?
I'm wondering if the Infinity is possibly one of the multiple uncompleted supercarriers mentioned in Halo: The Fall of Reach (Book). The Supercarriers were the Largest Ships in the UNSC Fleet, so I'm thinking maybe the Infinity is where they took one of thier supercarriers and started putting new Tech on it.

Also, Glasslands takes place in 2553 so by July 20th, 2557 (Halo 4) the 1st or 2nd Generation Huragok they found on Sharpened Shield (Onyx) would have taught them alot about forerunner tech, not to mention the fact that they found Forerunner war machines and transports dormant in the hangar lucy accidentally kileld the Huragok in. So by the Time of Halo 4 they would have had 4 years to help reverse engineer technology.Flavius Aetius 09:08, 18 May 2012 (EDT)
 * Nice little theory you have there but next time post speculative statements in the forums. Until then wait till this comes out, and you may get your answer. Also I don't see the purpose of your second statement other than it being a recap of what's to come.-- Killamint   KillaEX  13:43, 20 May 2012 (EDT)


 * I didn't know you had a forums, on the minecraftcenter wiki we discussed using the talk page. Also, that recap is to clarify what some of the people above me were arguing about.Flavius Aetius 08:40, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
 * Yeah this wiki is far more strict than other wikis (makes for a better wiki). All speculation pertaining to the article should be placed in the forums while discussions should be about changes/modifications to the article. For instance we have a topic about the Infinity's appearance in Halo: The Thursday War while we have your topic pertaining to the Infinity being related to a UNSC Supercarrier. The first topic deals with a debate, whether or not the Infinity will first appear in that book or Halo 4, which will be a deciding "edit" in this article. However your topic is discussing speculative canon that has not been confirmed nor hinted and isn't related to the article in any way. So if it has nothing to do with modification of the article or hasn't been confirmed, it shouldn't be in either the article or discussion. Usually speculative/unnecessary topics get deleted without notice. Just food for thought. Trust me, I learned this the hard way. Also if you wanted to recap the previous argument, it was never too late to post your explanation under the last comment posted. It became irrelevant once you posted it in another topic and that's why I was confused. -- Killamint   KillaEX  16:54, 21 May 2012 (EDT)