Talk:Halo 5: Guardians/Archive 1

Halo Xbox One
All the official sources, like Halo Waypoint, refer to this game as Halo Xbox One instead of Halo 5. Has anyone confirmed that it's called Halo 5? Bioniclepluslotr 18:32, 10 June 2013 (EDT)


 * I can't reasonably seeing them calling the game anything else, but you're right. At no point has 343 ever used the title "Halo 5". Until they do, we should refrain from referring to it as such.--Emblem 1.jpg  Rusty - 112  Admin  comm 19:17, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I agree. While Occam's Razor basically screams that the game is Halo 5, we need to wait for confirmation. Until then, Halo Xbox One will have to suffice. --Courage never dies. (talk) 19:29, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
 * https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/344182593647964160 Link refers to it as Halo 5 Death will follow you... but you can survive 19:36, 10 June 2013 (EDT)


 * A hashtag isn't an official title announcement. Besides, that thread wasn't even started by Xbox. That hashtag has existed for months as people speculate. I'll give the other users some time to comment before moving the page.--Emblem 1.jpg  Rusty - 112  Admin  comm 19:48, 10 June 2013 (EDT)


 * Even if I strongly think that this game is Halo 5, there is still no official information as it being called Halo 5 or being the second installment in the Reclaimer Trilogy, etc. But instead of immediately moving the page, maybe we should just wait for the next Bulletin or a press release from Halo Waypoint (something more than just the trailer). I'm pretty sure that 343 will confirm or deny it. Well, either that, or they don't know how to properly name a game / announce it. If this week's Bulletin doesn't clearly state that the game is Halo 5, then change it to Halo Xbox One or whatever. Or we may as well do it today, but it will possibly be changed again. Edit: Well it seems that even the Waypoint forum is called "Halo Xbox One"... This really doesn't make any sense to me. If it were Halo 5, why wouldn't they call it such? And if it were a spin-off set between H4 and H5, then why wouldn't they use a subtitle...Imrane-117 (talk) 20:01, 10 June 2013 (EDT)


 * Just my two cents - here it says "The award-winning franchise continues on Xbox One, beginning in 2014. Final title to be announced at a later date." That may mean the title "Halo Xbox One" (and perhaps Halo 5) are just temporary/working titles, and aren't permanent. So just a heads up before moving the page to "Halo Xbox One", which IMO wouldn't make sense as a video game title especially for the Halo series.-- Killamint  [Comm |Files ] 20:43, 10 June 2013 (EDT)


 * Well, since we know "Halo: Xbox One" is not going to be the actual title, I think "Halo 5" is our best option, unless we really want to change it to "Unnamed Halo game (2014)". Alex T Snow (talk) 21:34, 10 June 2013 (EDT)

Nobody's saying "Halo Xbox One" is going to be the final title. Odds are we'll move the page then move it right back when it's officially announced as Halo 5. But we don't get to call it Halo 5 until either 343 Industries or Microsoft call it that. That being said, what do we think sounds more appropriate for a title: "Halo Xbox One" or "Halo (Xbox One)"?--  Rusty - 112  Admin  comm 21:53, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Halo 5, definitely. Halo (Xbox One) leaves too much open for confusionOcean Soul (talk) 22:24, 10 June 2013 (EDT)

Whatever name we make up for this article will be just that, a made up name. Whether it's "Halo (Xbox One)" or Halo 5 we're still just making it up. I personally feel that Halo 5 is much more descriptive, as it implies a mainline game, as opposed to a spin-off like Spartan Assault. If you're going to say we can't call it Halo 5 until 343 calls it that, we can't really call it anything else either. Whatever we call it will be our own invention. --Weeping Angel (talk) 22:47, 10 June 2013 (EDT)


 * The title in the trailer just says Halo, so perhaps Halo (2014)? Bioniclepluslotr  08:21, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

Look, we can't just ignore our own policy when it suits us. The game has not yet been called Halo 5 by any official source so until it is, we should not label the page as Halo 5. Rather, we should use an official name. The way I see it, we either go by the trailer and do as Bioniclepluslotr said, calling it Halo (2014), or we go by 343 and MS and call it Halo Xbox One. Personally I'd go with the trailer as the term "Halo Xbox One" is likely to differentiate this title from Halo Combat Evolved.--Soul reaper (talk) 09:44, 11 June 2013 (EDT)

I agree. If they aren't calling it Halo 5, then we shouldn't be either. The page should be appropriately renamed to Halo Xbox One as that's the name they are currently using. Could always be a working title, but right now it's the best we have.-- 11:15, 11 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Makes sense as per policy. Is someone going to rename the article? Bioniclepluslotr  13:18, 11 June 2013 (EDT)


 * All right, you guys have convinced me. It looks like we have a consensus here. Do we need a vote? If not, let's go ahead and change the page to Halo (Xbox One).--Weeping Angel (talk) 09:53, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

Several 343i employees were tweeting "Halo 5" and "sequel." This is obviously Halo 5 with just "Halo Xbox One" as a working title but it is in fact apart of the Reclaimer Trilogy and a sequel to Halo 4. --ADinoSupremacist (talk) 19:43, 12 June 2013 (EDT)


 * Then the sources should be indicated in the article. Imrane-117 (talk) 20:30, 12 June 2013 (EDT)


 * Post links to the tweets.--Emblem 1.jpg  Rusty - 112  Admin  comm 21:02, 12 June 2013 (EDT)

It's weird, but I agree that we should follow what the developers seem to indicate is the best possible designation and avoid wiki speculation. It's possible that Microsoft marketing wants to promote the Xbox One so much that they want to abandon mention of previous Halo games. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 18:34, 13 June 2013 (EDT)


 * A few days ago, Killamint posted this link which indicated that "the final title will be announced later", but it looks like it has been removed... Imrane-117 (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

Per the Latest Halo Bulletin, Halo Xbox One is the working title: The Halo Bulletin: 6.19.13

Second Lieutenant  Keith Johnson   com link 04:56, 20 June 2013 (EDT)

First appearances
Why is the Forerunner machine listed as a first appearance? If it's a Seeker or a War sphinx it's not a first appearance. I think we should wait declaring this as such until we have some sort of confirmation. Similarly with the planet. It may be a first appearance. It may not.We don't know --Weeping Angel (talk) 20:08, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
 * If it's confirmed as a War Sphinx, that tag would be removed, but this is the first appearance of a giant Promethean bird mech thing. Alex T Snow (talk) 21:34, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Isn't it regardless the first appearance of such technology in the games?Ocean Soul (talk) 22:21, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
 * Well, it would be in the games, but it was mentioned in the Greg Bear books. Does that count as a first appearance? --Weeping Angel (talk) 22:49, 10 June 2013 (EDT)
 * I agree, as it was done for characters preseted in the books, if this machine is a sphinx then it would not be its first appearance. PS: it's me or it reminds a bit of a reaper of me mixed to chtullu?

I have a better image of the Forerunner machine that shows it clearly has legs. I don't know how to upload it, but I have it here: http://s283.photobucket.com/user/specter_wulf/media/ForerunnerMachine_zps17d29750.jpg.html Ocean Soul (talk) 15:44, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

Should the "planet" and it's "moon" be listed as a first appearance? If it turns out to be Installation 00 - which the "moon" looks like the planetoid in the center - then it certainly isn't the first appearance. I understand that at such a time that information is known the tags will be amended, but should we assume it's a first appearance with little to nothing to go off?Ocean Soul (talk) 13:25, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

The Planet in the background is it just me or does he looks like Threshold? So that could mean that John is on BAsis, but thats only my theory so. 93.197.122.96 17:47, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

@ Ocean Soul: Exactly! We don't know if these are first appearances or not. I think we should wait on calling them that, until we have confirmed information, just like we would with anything else, and just like we don't want to call it Halo 5. It's not confirmed that it's new, so don't call it that. --Weeping Angel (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

Navigation Bar
Can someone put this in the navigation bar? Thanks much, --Weeping Angel (talk) 09:14, 11 June 2013 (EDT)


 * Thanks to whoever put it on the navigation bar! --Weeping Angel (talk) 22:24, 13 June 2013 (EDT)

Guys this is not Halo 5!
See news source http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-15372-E3-Halo-Unveil-Wasn-t-Halo-5--Halo-2--Anniversary-Being-Discussed.html

IT IS NOT HALO 5. I nominate for this article to be deleted until further notice or an official announcement that Halo 5 is actually coming up.

User:Nusent 17:50, 2 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Hence why the article is called "Halo Xbox One." The article you cite still points out it's an actual game.--Hawki (talk) 18:19, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Yeah, just because it isn't Halo 5 it doesn't mean it should be deleted. Pokebub (talk) 19:02, 2 July 2013 (EDT)
 * I concur. Let's not be hasty and jump to conclusions, shall we? -- Xamikaze330  [Transmission |Commencing ] 20:19, 2 July 2013 (EDT)Xamikaze330
 * Not Halo 5 or Halo 2 Anniversary? I've got no ideas on what this is going to be :/ Alex T Snow (talk) 21:56, 3 July 2013 (EDT)
 * The game could be Halo 5, it's just not announced yet. The trailer was merely there to announce the coming of the franchise to Xbox One and let the fans speculate. It could also be something else, but at this point it's barely possible to imagine what that would be. Imrane-117 (talk) 08:55, 4 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Imrane, The article that Nusent linked states that "Halo Xbox One" is NOT "Halo 5". did you not read the article before stating what you did? 1-10 (talk) 12:37, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
 * And they're using big words for nothing. They keep repeating that "the game is not Halo 5", etc. but Spencer never said anything about that. Read the original IGN interview here. The only reason why they didn't reveal the name was because the trailer was just to announce the franchise's arrival on Xbox One. It could be Halo: spin-off blabla as well as Halo 5, we just don't know anything yet. Imrane-117 (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
 * Oh, a trailer for the universe as a whole, not anything specific, that makes sense. Alex T Snow (talk) 17:42, 6 July 2013 (EDT)

Halo 5 leak
Should we mention the supposed leak of Halo 5 at the Microsoft Meeting in the article? Pokebub (talk) 15:41, 9 July 2013 (EDT)


 * No. Bioniclepluslotr  11:27, 5 August 2013 (EDT)
 * I haven't heard of any supposed leaks. Also, leaked content is not allowed.-- 11:37, 5 August 2013 (EDT)

Plot "leak"
The plot posted on the Microsoft Store has been confirmed as an error made by a "hapless employee" by Frankie, and has since been removed from the site. I would suggest we remove it, as it does not represent anything from the Halo Xbox One plotline, and is an error. Just so we aren't misleading anyone. :) --Tent acle Torn ado  05:44, 31 August 2013 (EDT)


 * Done. Ok, so maybe don't always use the DMR anymore. That two shot-melee is pretty good. This is craZboy557, signing off. 06:23, 31 August 2013 (EDT)

Amazon Pre-order
I just noticed that this is available for pre order on Amazon. How should we incorporate this into the article? Should we, even? I can't show the link, because the spam filter won't let me, but if you search for "Halo Xbox One" on Amazon you can see what I mean. --Weeping Angel (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2014 (EDT)
 * Pre-order offers ahead of the actual release is quite common. In fact, it is so common that it's trivial to even list it in the article. Unless there's any special announcement alongside the pre-order, I would suggest not putting it in the article.— subtank   07:50, 20 April 2014 (EDT)


 * What about the release date mentioned? Should we include that? Seeing as it is unconfirmed by 343i, probably not, right? --Weeping Angel (talk) 08:33, 20 April 2014 (EDT)


 * Right on the money. :) — subtank   08:35, 20 April 2014 (EDT)


 * Okay! I just figured I should mention this, just in case it was valuable. :)


 * It's still good to know, for us people that read talk pages; more info is always good, it just doesn't always go in the article. If it was any other date I'd consider supporting adding it, but we've always known it's coming out sometime this year, so the date being the very last day possible is obviously a placeholder. Alex T Snow (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2014 (EDT)

Logo Image doesn't show up
I noticed that the image "File:Halo5 Logo onDark CMYK Final.jpg" doesn't show up (x in the box indicating an error w/ the image). I tried reloading it and nothing shows up. Anyone else have this issue?-- Killamin7  [Comm |Files ] 12:56, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I'm not having any issue on my end. It could just be your internet connection, or you may need to clear your cache.-- 13:03, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
 * I just tried it w/ google chrome and it shows up fine, but not w/ internet explorer. ??? I guess it's the browser. How do you clear the cache?-- Killamin7  [Comm |Files ] 13:08, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
 * For IE (which I am using...the horror), it's Ctrl+F5, but I don't know about other browsers.-- 13:11, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
 * Thanks for the commands. Unfortunately it didn't work. IE for yah. I guess I'll have to switch over to GC for the time being to see it. lol-- Killamin7  [<font color="Red">Comm |<font color="Black">Files ] 13:16, 16 May 2014 (EDT)
 * If the problem still persists, a screenshot or information of your IE browser would be helpful. It looks fine on IE11. — subtank   18:33, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

(Indent reset) Here you go: This is on my work computer using IE8. My computer at home is doing the same thing but I don't think that I have IE11 at home, maybe IE9 or 10. I'll have to check when I get home. So maybe the older browers can't handle the output of the image. The only work around for now is GC. I can't install the latest IE browser on my work computer (I'm sure everyone knows why).-- Killamin7  [<font color="Red">Comm |<font color="Black">Files ] 08:35, 20 May 2014 (EDT)


 * Yeah, I've got nothing. Must be just IE being IE. I'm using Firefox and it shows up all right. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Jugus (<font color="Gray">Talk  | <font color="Gray">Contribs ) 08:49, 20 May 2014 (EDT)


 * I'm starting to think the same thing. It's no big deal but I found it a little annoying. I do remember the image showing up once but afterwards I got the x in the box. So I don't know what's going on. I'll just use GC if I want to take a look at it.-- Killamin7  [<font color="Red">Comm |<font color="Black">Files ] 08:54, 20 May 2014 (EDT)


 * Jugus nailed it: "IE being IE." :P — subtank   19:40, 25 May 2014 (EDT)

Digital feature and TV series connections
Does anyone happen to have sources linking Halo 5 to Spielberg's and Ridley Scott's respective projects? I could swear I've seen that info somewhere, at least in relation to Scott's digital feature (which looks like it's shaping up to be the Forward Unto Dawn equivalent for our new ONI character). If they do exist, it'd be nice to have the connections mentioned on the page. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Jugus (<font color="Gray">Talk  | <font color="Gray">Contribs ) 00:58, 19 May 2014 (EDT)

Unidentified Spartan-IV
Do you think it's too early to give the guy in the box art his own page? Also, since he has the ONI logo on his chest, should we mention him on the ONI Security page? --Weeping Angel (talk) 18:08, 19 May 2014 (EDT)


 * Yes to first (An article will be created once there is sufficient information), no to second (He could be part of some other undisclosed, secret cabal division of ONI). — subtank   18:33, 19 May 2014 (EDT)


 * Have patience. E3 2014 is right around the corner :) -- Killamin7  [<font color="Red">Comm |<font color="Black">Files ] 08:38, 20 May 2014 (EDT)

Rocket launcher and armour
Are we sure that this is the M41 rocket launcher? I'm not sure if I should place the image on the M41 page. Also, is this an entirely new armour or am I missing something incredibly obvious?--Soul reaper (talk) 11:26, 12 August 2014 (EDT)


 * Unless I'm mistaken, that armour is the same one Fred wears in Escalation. 82.27.24.49 05:51, 15 August 2014 (EDT)

Weapon variants are unconfirmed and some should not have the assumption made
We really shouldn't be jumping the gun and designating all these weapons as the same variant as Halo 4 when we don't know for sure. Well, for some weapons that look almost exactly the same aside from a palette swap, it would be safe to call it the same variant for now, but for the new Magnum and SMG we DEFINITELY shouldn't be considering them the same. The SMG had a complete functional overhaul turning it from firing caseless ammunition from a side-mounted magazine to a cased variant with a top-mounted magazine. In the real world, that's like comparing apples and oranges. These are changes to the fundamentals of the weapon. As for the new Magnum, we could chalk it up to just being the M6H when we look at the vast differences in aesthetics between the M6G in Halo 3 and Reach, but it is functionally different in that it has a larger magazine capacity, and a different finish usually implies a different M6 variant.-- Fluffy Emo Penguin ( ice quack! ) 14:49, 20 December 2014 (EST)


 * I agree; common sense says that they're not even M7 or M6 variants at all. The Magnum is a bit iffy when H2's M6C has a completely different design with the full slide and shouldn't be an M6 at all, so that one's questionable. Alex T Snow (talk) 22:32, 21 December 2014 (EST)


 * Well, there's no doubt in my mind that the new magnum is an M6 variant considering how different they can be and the fact that it would be weird for the UNSC to switch out their mainline sidearm franchise of 150 years or so, and the new SMG does have an intentionally similar side profile to the classic M7.--PENGUIN4.gif Fluffy Emo Penguin ( ice quack! ) 15:50, 30 December 2014 (EST)


 * Having a better look at them now, they are most likely still M6 and M7 variants; they look far more like those two in profile rather than in first person. Alex T Snow (talk) 21:41, 30 December 2014 (EST)

I actually got a good look on a dropped Magnum just now. Pretty sure it says "M6H2 PDW".-- Fluffy Emo Penguin ( ice quack! ) 00:40, 3 January 2015 (EST)

Concept art
I have specified that the multiplayer concept art were for Truth and Empire. For the latter, it may be confusing due to the fact that it looks like Eden (urban-themed map at night-time). But these concept art were released alongside the screenshots of Truth and Empire, at a time when we didn't know the maps' names. It just happens that when the names were given later on we forgot to mention them. I'm just clarifying my edit, just in case. Although I haven't seen "The Sprint" yet, so I don't really understand all this stuff about "remixed" maps. Imrane-117 (talk) 05:16, 31 December 2014 (EST)

Concept art watermarks
Does anyone have pictures of the concept art WITHOUT ready up live's watermark on them? I just find it annoying they feel the need to brand these images as if they contributed at all to them in any way shape or form. --Crisperstorm (talk) 22:53, 6 July 2015 (EDT)

Type 51-Carbine
Does anyone have a source that the Type 51-Carbine will be in Halo 5: Guardians? The Sprint doesn't count because weapons like the shotgun appear on maps like Truth but are taken out later for gameplay reasons. SamGall (talk) 21:21, 31 December 2014 (EST)
 * It counts enough for now. Sith-venator Wavingstrider Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 00:48, 1 January 2015 (EST)

Mike Colter spoils whereabouts of Cortana
"When he goes into Halo 5, you'll see him transition into a Spartan, a super soldier. It's a prominent role within the game. Obviously Master Chief will be involved, Cortana, but Locke will be one of the playable characters in Halo 5."

- Mike Colter, March 20th, 2015

Source here. I'm thinking that we should hold off until something more concrete comes of this, which would undoubtedly be when the game actually comes out, but I think Mike Colter would certainly know what's up.
 * We know that Cortana's going to factor into the plot, at least. All of the material & footage pertaining to the Chief has pretty much led up to that. He's on a quest to get her back. How much of her we'll actually see in the game is debatable, however; and I doubt they told Colter all that much beyond what he needs to know for his role, which is that Locke has been tasked with tracking down the Chief, who went off the reservation in search of a way to get his AI back. I suspect we'll learn more in the coming months. DJenser (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2015 (EDT)


 * I can't help think there was a "like" missing somewhere in there, that Locke is meant to be "like Cortana." I think it's probably the worst kept secret in Halo that Cortana's making a comeback somehow, at some stage, but this doesn't seem enough to confirm it. Not to mention, voice actors don't get all the context from their own lines - at best they're hearing half a conversation. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   18:47, 20 March 2015 (EDT)

Character ads
It seems to me that the character ads are part of the HUNT the TRUTH promotional. They are on the Hunt the Truth tumblr page and have #HUNTtheTRUTH at the end of the video. Is there any reason to list them as separate promotionals? --Weeping Angel (talk) 23:14, 29 March 2015 (EDT)

Final cover art
Is that definitely the final cover art, because there's a very poorly cropped Battle Rifle in Locke's hands, and I doubt that they'd do such a shoddy job on the cover art. 82.27.24.49 12:58, 4 May 2015 (EDT)

Species and amrours
Why were armours and species merged? Armours always go to the equipment and technology not to the species part. That's like saying a Storm Sangheili is a different species from a Zealot Sangheili. Same for Unggoy and Kig-Yar.--The Master Builder (talk) 06:17, 13 June 2015 (EDT)
 * It's a compromise to make the appearance list more streamlined and informative. The "Species and entities" section doesn't list armors as much as it lists different classes of NPC that appear in the game, hence "entities". It's more intuitive for most people to be looking for the different ranks under the species rather than their armors, buried somewhere in the technology/armor section. But I'm open for any suggestions for a better/more appropriate section title to make it clear what it's about. "Non-playable characters" would be one possible option. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Jugus (<font color="Gray">Talk  | <font color="Gray">Contribs ) 06:33, 13 June 2015 (EDT)