User talk:Subtank

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In the Spartan-III program you removed all the equipment, they arent just equipped with SPI armor...
 * But it is the equipment they are known for. It would be redundant to list every weapon a S-III got hold off; if such thing were to happen, why not just put every known UNSC weapon inside the infobox.....-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 21:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which Noble Team has Mark V B armor, and some of the spartans used those carbines, and marksmenrifles.
 * The SPI is there because it was specialised for the S-IIIs. The Mark V[B] was an armour designed for SPARTANs in general. It's just only used by Noble Team members because the manufacturer was a private company that would only be able to make limited models.--  Fore  run  ner  00:29, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

The M6G debate
I'm getting tired of your disregard for other opinions. In the M6G page, you keep putting up unofficial info. Then when I remove it, you put it back up saying that the M6G not having variants is unofficial info. You need to get your rules straight. Bungie confirms it as an "M6G Personal Defense Weapon System", nothing more. They did not name the sub-variant seen in Halo: Reach. It is not our deciding to name this variant, especially if we name it based on what is seen on the sides of the gun. If we are to name a weapon, we must name it according to what Bungie states it to be. Just as you said Bungie canon trumps Halopedia canon, you must follow that. The M6G variants are not Bungie canon.--FluffyEmoPenguin 17:09, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The printed texts support the fact that they are variants. That's sufficient evidence to support my claim that they are indeed variants. What might counter this? Bungie's statement that they made a mistake or Bungie fixed the so-called typos either by announcing through BWU or all other forms of announcement media. As such, this is treated as Bungie canon (the fact that the bitmap was produced by Bungie made it so). The same applies to the MA37 merge argument (which has been closed).
 * You argued that they are indeed errors made by Bungie and that they are evident by the past games produced/developed by them. However, the one that don't make sense is why such minuscule error manage to be carried over throughout the entire titles. Let's focus on Halo 3's M6G. If they were indeed typos, why didn't Bungie removed them during the development phase from the Beta? Why didn't Bungie replaced the typos with a new bitmap using the title updates? Bungie could've easily done so, but they didn't. This imply that they were intentional and that Bungie intended them to be different models, or at the very least variants. If you wish to counter this with H2's Rocket Launcher case, that will fail easily as Bungie seemingly admitted publicly that they made an error in labelling the rocket launcher through the HCE and H2 manual booklets. However, it should be noted that this is the only case where Bungie admits they made an error. Other than that, they seem intent on having those weapons to be labelled as so, incorrectly in the eyes of the public.-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 22:42, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what's going through your mind when you think that "Model 6B" refers to a sub-variant of the M6G. There is no doubt that it refers to a variant of the M6. There are many reasons as to why these bitmaps would be incorrectly labelled, as well as continously mislabelled. There could have been a name change after the bitmap was created, or the design team might not have been very close to the canon directors. Who knows for sure? The point is that the labelling "Model 6B" refers to the M6B. Since Bungie has stated it is an M6G, the labelling is therefore considered a mistake. It does not need a direct statement from Bungie like "We mislabelled this weapon as such and such..." because the fact that Bungie named it in a weekly update, on the Ordnance page, on carnage reports, and even Halo Waypoint, proves that it was a misprint. To make such a bold assumption as to name these weapons' sub-variants requires much more information than a stamping on a bitmap. Another thing, your ideas are inconsistent. The M6C in Halo 2 says "Model 6C" on the side. Does that mean that it is an M6C-C? The ODST M6C/SOCOM says "Model 6C" on the side. Does that mean that it is an M6C/SOCOM-C? The only way for your theory to fit is if the weapons said "Model C" or "Model B", which they don't. -- Fluffy Emo Penguin  03:53, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since I believe it is necessary, I will explain my base beliefs in full on this issue. The M6G in Halo 3 is the "true" M6G. The original, not a sub-variant. The M6G in Halo: Reach is a sub-variant of the M6G. Although, this sub-variant is not called the M6G Model 6B. It has no known name as of now.-- Fluffy Emo Penguin 04:08, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Odd that some of my sentences did not appear as it did in the edit form. Anyway, the M6G in Halo 3 Beta had the same issue as we're having right now; it had a Model6 C imprinted on it but was designated as M6G by Bungie. This was ignored by the previous community as a simple mistake. However, the same problem arise in Halo: Reach's Beta. So, what does this imply? Bungie, a professional game developer, could make such a minuscule mistake in a bitmap and ignored fixing it... twice for over 3 years of development? A simply oversight and they didn't bother fixing it? I think not. It is strongly suggested that it is intentionally. Why such odd designation, you ask? Well, it's the future and designation system changes, who knows. Bungie created the universe and revamped the entire known political, social, military, etc system. 500 years into the future and changes to the system are bound to happen. -  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 14:04, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Regarding H2's M6C; as absurd and ridiculous as it sounds, that might be true. However, we don't know other possible sub-variants of the M6C, so that could be ignored. The fact of the matter is that we have two M6Gs of two different imprints of two different games of two different timeline. It could be entirely possible that the M6G in Reach is indeed a B variant but was upgraded to C variant by the events of Halo 3. that would be the most logical sense in terms of timeline-wise.
 * Again, if this is fixed in the released game, I would love to redact all known information on the sub-variants and apologise. But as of now, it's legit info. It would be a waste of time arguing over a spilled milk and it wouldn't be productive to the wiki regardless of where this discussion is heading..-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 14:04, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Bungie, a professional game developer, could make such a minuscule mistake in a bitmap and ignored fixing it... twice for over 3 years of development?" Exactly. It is such a miniscule mistake that they repeated it. Miniscule mistakes are the ones that are repeated most often. You're throwing logic out the window. The absolute most logical assumption is that it was a misprint. Even if it is 500 years in the future, designation systems may have been changed, but clustered, inefficient designations like "Model 6G Model 6B" would never exist purposefully. No company in their right mind would do that, regardless of era. Think clearly for a second: if Bungie were to make available such important information like the full name of a weapon (including sub-variant), would they include it on the tiny bitmap stamping that hardly anyone notices, or would they state themselves? I understand your motives to differentiate between these two weapons canonically, but it cannot be done as of now. There is not enough information. Even if it were 50/50 in regards to probability of being a misprint or a true designation, niether can be proven yet. We cannot say they are the "Model 6G Model 6B" and "Model 6G Model 6C", nor can we say it is a misprint. Therefore, in the style of Halopedia, we should not post either information.-- Fluffy Emo Penguin  00:46, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re: I herd you liek mudkips
You herd rite. I duz liek mudkipz, and I duz haz some proposals. I am very short on time right now (my free time doesn't start until next week!), so to see the proposals for yourself, here are some links with relevant information. I understand General5 7 may have already filled you in, but if not, or if you want more information, here it is.


 * Smoke's Talk Page
 * My Talk Page
 * General5 7's Draft

Basically, I want to revive the usergroups because I feel that if, used correctly, they could be a huge help to Halopedia. To quote myself, "Halopedia has A LOT of articles to maintain. It may look shiny and perfect on the outside, but it's rotten to the core with bad articles." If something could possibly be arranged, I'd be more than happy to co-lead the Covenant of Halopedia, the Standards Council of Halopedia, and the Gamers of Halopedia, the latter of whom is severely underrated. The gaming articles (eg. maps, gametypes, etc.) are absolutely terrible, and as an avid Halo gamer myself, I'm very interested in fixing them. My interest in the Covenant of Halopedia stems back from last year, when I was intensely involved, as does my interest in the Standards Council, which I am also eager to have revived, for obvious reasons.

If the usergroups could make a comeback, I am very sure that with the involvement of a few dedicated leaders to motivate members, and General5 7's proposed requirements to join, and with a little organization, the usergroups could help Halopedia in such a huge way that every single one of those "rotten articles" become cleansed and unspoiled.

Sincerely,  Kougermasters   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  18:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * And to add, the group involved (Kouger, General, Smoke and myself, to the best of my knowledge anyway) are composing the revival forum as a group here, to give an you an idea of the aims of the revival. - Black Mesa.jpg Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  19:17, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * PS: If you agree, then please sign below on the draft. Kouger specially reserved that spot for you XD --Brigadier Grade One.png <span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> General5 7  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">  talk    contribs  <span style="background-color:silver; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">  email   02:11, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * PPS: Sign below Smoke please, if you agree. Then General5 7 will publish the proposal tomorrow evening. Commander Silver Leaf.PNG Kougermasters   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  03:12, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Redirect
S/he is called "Noble Six", and is continuously referred to as "Six" in campaign, so I made the redirect for that reason. -  Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  11:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I guess so... but that would create multiple unnecessary redirect such as One, Two, etc.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 12:03, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily, since "Six" is the main character and the others aren't really referred to by their numbers. I'd say we should make it. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Jugus (<font color="Gray">Talk  | <font color="Gray">Contribs ) 12:06, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm alright as long as you're ready for the future flood of unnecessary redirects.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 12:08, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never try, never know :) - Major.png Nìcmávr  ( Tálk  ) 12:10, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hehee... ;P - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 12:11, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Noble Five, Noble Two, Noble Three... etc. Redirects
I just made the page Noble Five which redirects to Jorge-052 but before I do it with the rest of the Noble Team members I want to ask you if I can make the other redirects because I do not have permission. If not then delete the page I created. If the answer is yes then we can create those redirects. --


 * Go ahead... but, is it true that Noble Five is Jorge-052? All that I know is that Noble One is Carter, Two is Kat and Six is B312... how sure are you that Four is Jun and Five is Jorge? It could be the other way...- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 19:43, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * It was either GameInformer or Bungie.net that revealed the Noble team numbers, I can't remember which, could be both. But yes, the numbers are correct. - Black Mesa.jpg Halo-343   ( Talk )   ( Contribs )   ( Edits )  19:53, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 19:59, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Warning for multiple edits
OOPS, sorry, I was using the preview feature though, but I kept editing the section only, instead of going to "edit this page," my bad ^^ and when I previewed the changes it wouldn't just change the reference...when I did what you just did, that always showed a picture of the actual image, instead of a link to the file...o_O thanks for warning me though, didn't know about that multiple edits thing, I'll TRY not to do that again ;) Bottletopman 09:37, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * It should be . When you want to reuse the Ref Thingy, simply add   For more information, see Help:Ref. :P
 * For the image, simply add  at the beginning of the link. :P - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 09:39, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, I am new to this wiki in terms of editing. So could you please tell me what are the ranks of editing are and how many points do you get for editing different types of articles? Hope we can be friends! :D 01:54, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Check Help:User Levels.- <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 07:24, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!!00:19, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Email problem
...Subtank...I'm not getting ANY emails whatsoever from Halopedia. No digests, no changes to my followed pages, nothing. I verified my preferences settings, and they all allow for emails to be sent to my email (which is correct), and I am still following pages, and I even looked at one of the pages I follow to see if, for some odd reason, no one made changes to all of the 300+ pages I follow. There have been many changes. What's wrong? I've had this problem for several weeks, but I've been really busy, so I never got around to posting my inquiry here. Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. ΘяɪɸɴF22   Talk    Contributions  CAG 03:06, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Have you made sure your selected the preferences part that allows it to email you? Otherwise, just check Special:Watchlist.--  Fore  run  ner  08:10, July 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * You'll have to elaborate...which part exactly are you referring to? According to my preferences, every option that handles email is checked. I have it set to notify when changes are made to pages I'm following, when moved, deleted, etc., and I verified that I'm following pages. I'll check my ISP to see if the emails just aren't being transferred to Entourage, my mail app. Perhaps they're still on the server and never got downloaded...Captain Grade One.png  ΘяɪɸɴF22    Talk    Contributions  CAG 02:18, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just checked that Special page. It says right htere that a) I'm following a bajillion pages, and b) and that 'Email notification is enabled'. I checked my ISP email, and as I expected, nothing was there. That means my problem lies either with faulty preferences and the inability for them to display correctly on my end, or with wikia itself.Captain Grade One.png  ΘяɪɸɴF22    Talk    Contributions  CAG 02:22, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

I am shocked. Almost too shocked for words. =P
Why did you delete the Rush page I made? I put the time and effort into creating a page for the site and this is what I get? Unneeded content? UNEEDED? Well neither are pages devoted to NOOBS and CAMPERS but they're still THERE. I mean seriously. 7hanks for reading and I hope it can be explained and resolved. AcedannyK 18:44, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Subtank!
You rock! Thanks for being patient, understanding and awesome! -- The Storm 59 11:18, August 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's all because you've been contributing constructively! :D - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 11:53, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reach weapon and vehicle categorization
Subtank, I really don't know why i'm having to tell you this...but there's no reason whatsoever to differentiate the lists for the Human and Covenant weaponry and vehicles on the Halo: Reach page. Like i've stated many times before, there is already a pseudo-categorization with the "M"-designation and "UNSC"-prefix for the Humans, and the "Type-xx" for the Covenant Empire. As agreed upon a year or so ago, we categorize with with alphabet on the Reach appearance list rather than by faction.

I understand that you want to make it a bit more easier for the newer users to understand, however, it's not that hard to click on a particular weapon and learn about it's proper nomenclature within the Covenant so we make more knowledgeable community members. Remember that were an encyclopedia (not the lame print version from 343i or Halo Waypoint) and while we should redirect pages to common fan terms (i.e. DMR, Plasma Repeater, etc.), it should always be maintained that we're a strictly canon-following website over any other fashion that may exist.

Thank you, and have a good day.

Rawr,


 * I would agree.. but based from feedbacks for improvement I gathered from other Halo community (i.e. B.net forums), they became confused with our categorisation system, and some misinterpreted the content. I know it is not hard to simply click the link, but we have to take into account the one common human nature that exist in all of us; laziness. By simply dividing them into two simple categories (UNSC and Covenant), readers will be able to learn to differentiate between a UNSC article and a Covenant article. From there on, they will be able to learn how UNSC and Covenant weapons are designated. It is, afterall, two little categories. It has been applied throughout all Game articles, so why is Halo: Reach an exclusive article of not following the established layout? As an encyclopaedia, it is also our job to keep it simple and understandable to readers; not to confuse them with complex designations. If we were to keep the designations and avoid using common titles in articles, then we should also try to categorise them properly.
 * I am, and has always been, in the position of maintaining the designation system. I have never take the approach of replacing the designation with its common name (i.e. replacing MA5C ICWS to Assault Rifle). How you came across that idea of me taking such approach is beyond me? "And I thought you knew me, after all the years we've been working together"... - <font face="Century Gothic"> <font color="#FF4F00">5 əb<font color="#FF4F00">'7 aŋk (<font color="#FF4F00">7alk ) 00:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would like to point out that while many would not memorise the full technical names, they do recognise the model number. If I was looking through the Halo 3 weapons list and saw "MA5C", I would instantly identify it as an Assault Rifle. The same can go for pistols. They seem easy enough to remember - these guys are just too lazy to work it out.-- Forerunner 01:27, August 7, 2010 (UTC)