Talk:Usze 'Taham

Suggestion
I suggest we remove all the unconfirmed speculation from both these articles: Remove the speculation and the picture.

We do not know for sure which one is which, our speculations do not belong in an encyclopedic article.

However let me suggest an alternative: Post the picture that has both of them in it and say "He is one of these two Elites" or something along that lines but in a more intelligent manner.

Fully removing it or having a picture of both with the speculation each article is far better then just having useless speculation and having people get used to a certain face to match a certain name if it might be incorrect. --Justin Time 23:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I forgot how to change those "info boxes". Can someone please change whoever wrote "wepons" to "weapons" -Fluffball Gato

The EE drop.
Where did it explain the lack of EE being due to the Schism? -- Hunter-113 00:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Its really just conjecture for now --Ajax 013 00:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I had thought just an oversight by Bungie. But weren't the EE's added by Sangheili to show that they had a military position? I didn't think they'd remove that for just leaving the Covenant. -- Hunter-113 00:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thats all we can really make of it right now, to be honest it's all we have to go on. --Ajax 013 00:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Removing the "ee" is something we would never think of, but makes sense if you think about it. They mentioned "Rtas 'Vadum" in the page, which is obviously a reference to Rtas 'Vadumee. Truth is, the Elites are no longer a part of the Covenant, they are an independant group now. It makes sense that they would remove the "ee" from their names, because it represents participation in the military that betrayed and massacred them, and of the Covenant which decieved them their whole lives, as well as the religion they now know to be suicidal and false. -- ED ( talk )(gaming) 02:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture
I think whoever put the picture up got them backwards, I would assume that the Spec-ops would be the one with purple armour. --Gzalzi (You want to die?) 01:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Well i got one good reason for the pictures to be this way around and one not so good. N'tho is a young, rookie Elite, having served for a short time. That lead me ti thinking he would be decked out in the blue armor of a Minor Domo. Whereas Usze is a veteran of many campaigns, i can't imagine him being a minor domo, however i can imagine him, since being in Fleet Secruity, using a sealed suit like the purple one is wearing. Happy? If not, send all compalints to... someone... meh --Ajax 013 01:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think the purple guy is the Spec Ops guy and Blue is the Security Guard, and heres why. Purple guys armor looks like something a stealth operative would wear, and he looks smaller and nimbler. As opposed top the Blue guy, who looks much physically larger and more agressive compaired to purple. Kap2310 02:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't help much the purple Elite is further away from the camera. Also spec ops usually wear greyish armor. The purple armor atchually looks like the ranger's armor, which would be perfect for someone operating in potentially oxygen free enviroments. --Ajax 013 02:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I would think that the younger Elite would get the standard armor, while the older one gets more specialized armor. -- ED ( talk )(gaming) 02:36, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I have put the speculation within the article. We must let the reader know that it is possible we got the pictures backwards. Besides I doubt hes a minor domo by the way. And SpecOps from Halo 2 wore purple armor.Justin Time 05:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

His armor is atchually a few shades lighter than spec ops. Why would a veteran of several campaigns be just a minor domo rank? Also as i noted before his ranger armor would be suiting to him in his original job as fleet Secruity. Also They both belong the the Special Warfare group of the Fleet of Retribution, that would technically make them both spec ops. --Ajax 013 12:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Minor Domos are not that colour blue, it is a different shade. --Gzalzi (You want to die?) 17:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well it could be in part to new shading and lighting systems that his armor may look lighter, or it may be competely purposeful change in color. For example the Arbiter is no longer a steel-blue-grey color but instead is more bronze/gold. --Ajax 013 17:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Name
How is his name supposed to be pronounced? 81.105.25.160 15:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think an official pronunciation has been released. I pronounce it "ooze ta-ham". Sith Alchemy 101 17:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Myself personally, I pronounce his name Oots-zay tay-ham, But that's just me. Xamikaze330 17:58, 29 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330
 * Adding to my previous comment: Or I pronounce more like Oos-zay Tay-ham, or Tay-hom. --Xamikaze330 22:30, 3 April 2012 (EDT)Xamikaze330

Armor trivia?
Is it worth noting that he is (not counting the Arbiter, who's is unusable in multiplayer) the only Campaign character you can play with a armor other than the default type? See: Master Chief=Mark 6, Arbiter=N/A, Blue elite I can't remember=Combat harness, Usze 'Taham=assault harness. I know Assault is also default, but you START with the others (not arbiter) depending on whether you're a spartan or elite.Papayaking 00:18, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Armor trivia?
Is it worth noting that he is (not counting the Arbiter, who's is unusable in multiplayer ) the only Campaign character you can play with a armor other than the default type? See: Master Chief=Mark 6, Arbiter=N/A, Blue elite I can't remember=Combat harness, Use 'grunts=assault harness. I know Assault is also default, but you START with the others (not arbiter) depending on whether you're a spartan or elite.Papayaking 00:18, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

Better Image
Could somebody do a full-body transparent cutout render of Usze 'Taham? I have one I made that I got from GameSpy, but I was unable to get rid of most of the GameSpy logo still covering up most of his foot. I tried to use the Clone stamp tool in Adobe Photoshop CS5 to take care of it, but it didn't really work that well, at least, not in the way I wanted it to work. I suppose the same image could still be used, but would have to be downsized, and someone would really have to more tricks than I do in order to remove that stinking GameSpy logo. If someone could get on this project, that would really be great. Xamikaze330 17:58, 29 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330


 * Thanks to Fairfieldfencer, this has already been taken care of. --Xamikaze330 22:30, 3 April 2012 (EDT)Xamikaze330

Some changes to the content
Thanks to a discussion the Sangheili talk page, I made some research into the biography of this character since it has caused some confusion. From what I've read, Usze is not a Fleet Security officer but an military individual that operates under the Fleet Security (this affiliation was also used in EVG). B.net's biography of Usze does not mention his position in a military unit (i.e. Rangers, Stealth) or of his rank. With that said, we know nothing of his military unit or of his rank.

From what I am able to analyse in my spare time of an hour, I believe that Usza is a Stealth Sangheili with the reason being that:
 * 1) he wore an Assault Harness, a combat armour worn by SpecOps as seen in H3.
 * 2) in H:Anniversary, Stealth Sangheili wore H:Reach's SpecOps harness.

I understand that we never saw any Stealth Sangheili in Halo 3. However, we can assume that if they do appear in Halo 3, they would no doubt use the same harness used by the Specops. This is coupled with the visual evidence as seen in H:Anniversary where Stealth Sangheili are shown to utilise the same harness used by the Specops, though without any energy shielding. Now, as to why the lack of energy shielding is not present in 4-player co-op, I can simply say "gameplay reasons". The best example of this would be the absence of the Arbiter's cloaking ability from H2, which has been replaced with a flashlight that appears out of nowhere.— subtank  22:18, 3 April 2012 (EDT)


 * Never mind. I guess I put too much thinking into this. But I still think we should make a minor change from "fleet security officer" to "fleet security staff". I personally blame myself... don't know what I was thinking back in 2010. :P — subtank  10:56, 4 April 2012 (EDT)

Canon appearance in "The Covenant" ?
I was taking screenshots in the Halo 3's level The Covenant, just after the double-scarab battle, and noticed the two elites at the plasma turrets of the green phantom : they have the exact colors of Usze 'Taham and N'tho 'Sraom ! Besides, the armor "Usze" wears isn't assault variation, but the special color is the same. Screenshots are available and. So, do you think these are our little companions ? Λ Want to speak ? 10:35, 18 January 2013 (EST)
 * Huh. Nice find. Here's an AI Elite Major and the player-controlled 'Taham. The (Phantom) Red Elite's color is closer to 'Taham's than it is to an AI Elite Major. I'm quite convinced that those two are our unsung heroes! —  SPARTAN 331  11:38, 18 January 2013 (EST)
 * Looks just like them! Good find!-- 11:46, 18 January 2013 (EST)

I would say the colours are just good coincidences. The Majors in Halo 3 have variations, so it is likely that what we see is one of these colour variations. — subtank   05:12, 19 January 2013 (EST)
 * The AI-controlled Elites featured in the variation screenshot still have different colors. One's darker, and one's more red. While I'm not completely supporting this, I would love to believe they are if we have more sources. —  SPARTAN 331  08:49, 19 January 2013 (EST)

See if the colors are recurring, especially on different difficulties. If those guys appear on the same Phantom each time, it could easily be them. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 13:40, 19 January 2013 (EST)