Talk:Unified Earth Government

I checked through the "official" Halo timeline that was released before the first game, and found mention of a unified Earth government. Should we change the name appropriately?  Specops306 ,  Kora 'Morhek  04:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Formation?
According to the glossary in the Halo 4 Essential Visual Guide, the UEG was formed in 2075. This contradicts information from the original Xbox.com Halo timeline (long offline now) which stated in the 2170 entry that "A unified Earth government was formed in the wake of these conflicts." (it wasn't a proper noun back then), with the idea that the Interplanetary War acted as the catalyst for the creation of the UEG. I guess the question is whether the 2075 date in the visual guide is an intentional retcon or perhaps a typo (should it instead be 2175?). --Jugus (Talk  | Contribs ) 23:31, 8 October 2013 (EDT)


 * Given the timeline, I would say it's probably a typo, and was meant to be 2175 - five years after the Interplanetary War, which seems a reasonable amount of time for the reformation of a solar system's government. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   02:25, 9 October 2013 (EDT)


 * I can't do this kind of thing often, as they are very busy people, but I was able to bring this to Jeremy Patenaude's attention at 343 Industries. Since it involved the newly published Visual Guide, I felt the clarification warranted bugging him about it. He gave me permission to copy this from our correspondence on the subject and I hope this will satisfy the query above:


 * From: Jeremy Patenaude
 * To: Stephen Loftus
 * Subject: RE: Quick clarification - UEG
 * Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:42:29 +0000


 * 2075 - The UEG is formed as an assembly of political leaders and brilliant minds, commissioned by the UN, and tasked with attempting to avert the crises of the next century by solving governmental unification issues of colonizing non-Earth territories.


 * 2170 - The UEG becomes a full-fledged governing entity, controlling all human-occupied territories, particularly including those extrinsic to Earth.


 * I think this will help Halopedia sort out the timeline regarding the UEG. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 17:20, 11 October 2013 (EDT)


 * I love when storytellers do this - reconciling possible typos into interesting story ideas. It shows a degree of flexibility where the lore is concerned. Thank you for the clarification! --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   18:47, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

What government is it based off if?
What do you think the UEG is based off of, anyway? I think it's a cross between the UN and the United States. - EpicZealot1239


 * It seems a hybrid of the two. It has a President, but also a Security Council. my own guess is that it's a slightly modified evolution of the current UN model, replacing Secretary General with President, and making it an elected office. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   21:25, 4 October 2014 (EDT)

Senate
Is it fair to say the UEG's legislative branch is a senate, as seen on the newest episode of Hunt the Truth? - NightHammer (talk) 22:12, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
 * I'd say so yeah. Sith-venator Wavingstrider Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 22:21, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
 * Ok, I'll make a page. Though I'll leave the article title ambiguous since we don't know if it is called the "UEG Senate" or the "Senate of the UEG", or something else entirely. Given the UEG's similarities with the US of A's governmental system, it's probably the first one. - NightHammer (talk) 23:10, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

Secretary Of Defense
Does this seems to be worth mentioning under the part about military, along with the "local freedom fighter brigade"?Enough Redshirts (talk) 02:29, March 17, 2019 (EDT)

Sources for UNSC assuming war time Control from UEG
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Source Inaccuracies?
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I think there is a general consensus from various sources that the UNSC assumed the function of government during the Human-Covenant War. However, I also started trying to vet some sources as I was trying to find the specific point in time the UNSC actually achieved this control and power to govern from the UEG. Looking at two sources so far, results feel inconclusive.


 * 1) First is the interview with Frank O'Connor, used on Halopedia's UNSC wiki page.
 * 2) Second, is a citation from Halo Mortal Dictata Pg 456, on this UEG page.

The problems lie in the fact that the interview does not specifically provide a date, no month, or year for when the UNSC assumes governmental war time control. In fact, the interview never mentions "2525" which is the year provided in the right-hand sidebar table showing the UEG. "2525... most functions assumed by UNSC".

The Mortal Dictata citation claims to be supporting the note that the UNSC does assume control, but page 456 has nothing to do with the UNSC. It's just an action sequence in the book, which you can read the 2014 edition for free through the Internet Archive.

What is clear, at least from the interview, is that the UNSC does indeed assume government powers from the UEG as a war time measure. That is not in question. But the citations and references for the specific timelines and dates, i.e. "2525" appear to not support what is being said on Halopedia's articles as are circa April 04, 2023.

Help
I would appreciate more knowledgeable people's help on finding specifics for when the UNSC actually assumed government control from the UEG. A good starting point might be someone who has read all of Halo Mortal Dictata and might recall if the UNSC assuming government control / the internal politics of the UNSC and UEG are even mentioned at all. Maybe it would be in a scene where it details ONI's interaction with the UNSC HIGHCOM, just speculating.

Removal?
Should we remove the claimed timeline dates, i.e. 2525, because the citations do not support it.

—Stinger913 (talk) 02:38, April 11, 2023 (EDT)