Forum:CoH Elections

For the last few weeks I’ve been receiving a number of private email complaints about abuses of power by the leadership of the CoH. I’ve been letting them go because of the great job the CoH has been doing in improving Halopedia articles and that even in the halo universe the Covenant are also run by permanent, Totalitarianian rulers.

Also with the new UoH being set up as an independent free and elected entity I thought those unhappy with the way the CoH was run could find a place in the free UoH. This changed when the UoH was taken over by the CoH thus killing the elected leadership option.

As such with no way for CoH members to make their “permanent” leaders accountable the leadership will now be open for elections. The first elected leadership will take the reigns on April 1, 2007. I have no doubts that RelentlessRecusant and Donut THX 1138 will be elected into power as they’ve been doing a great job running the CoH. The election is not about regime change but making the positions accountable to its members in the future.

So place your vote now on the CoH Voting Page

Discussion

 * I do believe that you're overstepping your powers Esemono. You don't have the power to go into project usergroups and change everything around, especially when you're not even a member of it and you have no idea what you're talking about. If any one's a Totalitarian ruler around here it's you! We already have processes in place that if they don't like the leader, impeach the leader. Also, I'd like to see some of these emails, if there are even any emails. You and the rest of the admins have been dead set against the CoH from the beginning, however, the second someone else started the UoH you jumped right in to help them. WTF? So back off.
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 15:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Below is an exert from the Covenant of Halopedia Constitution.


 * remove exerpt as I had already read it on the CoH page -- Esemono 00:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You might find this interesting Esomono, but there are indeed ways to impeach leaders that are doing a bad job in CoH. I say since Donut founded the thing, he has the right to lead it.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 16:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * He can lead it but he has to be elected which won't be hard as he is the most popular person there. -- Esemono 00:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Esemono, as much as I respect you and your authority here, I don't think you actually have the authority to do this. Also, if people don't like the way the CoH is run, they don't have to be a part of it; they can just improve Halopedia on their own. If they need to be impeached, they can be impeached, but you don't need to step in and encourage people to do it. Let them make their own decisions, and let Donut lead the CoH on his own. G ü é ß Ł ¥ -∏ é Ґ ∫ ø ñ ¥ -† ħ î <font color="#00ff00">И <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">¥  20:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Help me protect Donut by allowing him to be elected to the leadership of CoH. -- Esemono 00:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Not to be rude or anything, but what does he need protection from? Some people don't even know his real name who are upset with something he's done? <font color="#000000">G <font color="#770000">ü <font color="#cc0000">é <font color="#ff0000">ß <font color="#ff3333">Ł <font color="#ff6666">¥ -<font color="#9999ff">∏ <font color="#6666ff">é <font color="#3333ff">Ґ <font color="#0000ff">∫ <font color="#0000cc">ø <font color="#000066">ñ <font color="#000000">¥ -<font color="#000000">† <font color="#007700">ħ <font color="#00cc00">î <font color="#00ff00">И <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">¥  01:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Erhm...Esemono...not to be confrontational, here, but I believe you're implying that Donut and I are "permanent, Totalitarianian rulers"...? Furthermore, if we're going "such a great job running the CoH", then why are you asking for us to have to be elected into office. As per Rot and GPT, there's an impeachment process that has been devised. I think that if you want to join, join, we'll promote you, and then you can be nominated for Councilor and file proces formale or just stay a regular user and file proces formale minoré. =D Later. Cheers, <font color="#D3D3D3">Gho <font color="#A9A9A9">st I <font color="#808080">nsi <font color="#000000">de the M <font color="#808080">ach <font color="#A9A9A9">ine <font color="#808080">''(<font color="#808080">Whisper through the Storm ) (<font color="#808080">My Journeys ) (<font color="#808080">Omens ) 20:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It's states in the Group Policy that all positions in a User Group must be elected and as an Admin I can enforce those policies. I will not be telling you the names of people who have complained as they emailed me under the understanding they would be protected from retribution.  I understand that there is an impeachment policy but as per group policy all positions must be elected.  I was going to let that slide when there was a elected UoH alternative but because of the merger I've been forced to enforce the rules as presently there are no elected Groups.


 * I think you misunderstand my motives here I applaud what the CoH has accomplished yet I have no desire to become part of the CoH or run it. I'll leave that totally up to the membership to decide.  I was content to let you run but when I started to get complaints I was forced to act.  I'm not trying to be confrontational if I was, I could have striped you from power made the comittiee page protected and locked you out.  I have no doubt that you're going to get elected and you should see this as a postive thing as it will reinforce your mandate.  The reason I'm making these changes are so that when users complain I can say, "well don't vote for him" where as it stands now you have stated that your position is "permanent" -- Esemono 00:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Complaints? Through email? But you don't even have an email address listed! <font color="#000000">G <font color="#770000">ü <font color="#cc0000">é <font color="#ff0000">ß <font color="#ff3333">Ł <font color="#ff6666">¥ -<font color="#9999ff">∏ <font color="#6666ff">é <font color="#3333ff">Ґ <font color="#0000ff">∫ <font color="#0000cc">ø <font color="#000066">ñ <font color="#000000">¥ -<font color="#000000">† <font color="#007700">ħ <font color="#00cc00">î <font color="#00ff00">И <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">¥  01:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Special:Emailuser/Esemono, accessable through the toolbox on a userpage. -- Dragon<font color="FF0000">c laws ( talk ) 01:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't ask for names, i asked to read what they complained about. I also asked why you're not doing anything about the UoH permanent leaders, hmm? Quite frankly, i don't think i need you "protecting" me from anyone. If a user has issues with me, tell them to stop running to the admins for help and just talk to me! Besides, we're continuing without your changes, if they don't like the way i run things, impeach me! Kick me out of office! I really don't care about the permanent rank anymore, as no matter what, i could guarantee I'd be elected. What I'm mad about is the fact you're trying to take control by creating fake stories about users emailing you, you've been biased towards RR, me, and the CoH from the get go! Now, let me see these emails.
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 01:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless you've changed the UoH, it doesn't have permanent leaders, they are elected. I know you would be elected which is why I want you to run for elections this has nothing to do deposing you or being biased against the CoH.  I'm not saying you can't run or that you should step down.  All I'm saying that is that your position as head honcho of CoH should be backed up by elections. -- Esemono 03:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry if i appear hostile and enraged, but i don't like the fact that non-members are trying to come in and change our established government. There are ways for members to change the government, if they really want to, we don't need (or want) you coming in and creating a new government for our group. As the CoH members have already posted above.
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 02:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Esemono, please pardon Donut. I know him in real-life, and he has some real-life personal troubles that he's still trying to get over, and he's been agitated to me personally and also here as well. Please excuse him. I believe all he's saying is that he has worked hard for the CoH, and spent a significant amount of time and effort setting it up, and would like to retain his hard-earned position uncontested. Also, I believe that he's concerned about the issues that other users have, but would like them to voice them to him personally instead of through you. Again, please excuse Donut. Later, all. Cheers, <font color="#D3D3D3">Gho <font color="#A9A9A9">st I <font color="#808080">nsi <font color="#000000">de the M <font color="#808080">ach <font color="#A9A9A9">ine <font color="#808080">''(<font color="#808080">Whisper through the Storm ) (<font color="#808080">My Journeys ) (<font color="#808080">Omens ) 02:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also...just another point. I'm not sure if you guys have all heard, but with the merger, Donut is becoming 1st-in-command of the merged groups, and myself and Spartytime are taking the 2nd-in-command posts. All three are permanent...so...Esemono...you're asking for all three command seats to be elected by term? What about all of Donut's hard work in making this all happen? Does he get something specialicky for this? =D ;D *RR hands Donut a doughnut* What about Spartytime's time for making the UNSCoH? =D Cheers, <font color="#D3D3D3">Gho <font color="#A9A9A9">st I <font color="#808080">nsi <font color="#000000">de the M <font color="#808080">ach <font color="#A9A9A9">ine <font color="#808080">''(<font color="#808080">Whisper through the Storm ) (<font color="#808080">My Journeys ) (<font color="#808080">Omens ) 02:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand that with the merger Donut is becoming 1st-in-command of both groups. I have no problem with him running both groups, as long as he is elected!.   The CoH membership will see to him getting elected this has nothing to do with deposing Donut but guaranteeing his power. -- Esemono 03:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You stated that groups must be made up of elected leaders, correct? How come Dragonclaws and ED have PERMANENT seats on the Fan Art Committee? Hmm? It's doesn't seem right that the ruls don't apply to the admins, now does it? I don't see why these three sits in the CoH can't be permanent (me, RR, and Spartytime). After all, we founded the groups.
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 03:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The Fan Art Committee isn't a User Group different rules apply. You and RR founded the groups which is why you will be elected.  Can't you see how much easier your claim to the throne will be if you're elected? -- Esemono 03:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't make the CoH, but I believe I had a significant hand in it...dunno. whoadamn. g2g2bed. =D Cheers, <font color="#D3D3D3">Gho <font color="#A9A9A9">st I <font color="#808080">nsi <font color="#000000">de the M <font color="#808080">ach <font color="#A9A9A9">ine <font color="#808080">''(<font color="#808080">Whisper through the Storm ) (<font color="#808080">My Journeys ) (<font color="#808080">Omens ) 03:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And you can be the number two, nobody is trying to depose we are just trying to back up your claim to power with a free vote. -- Esemono 03:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Look, this is how things should work. If people have a problem with Donut, RR, or any other member, they should use the functions established inside the group, or they can exercise their right to not join. What really gets me is that you said to RR "You going to Wikia admins before even talking about it is ... well frankly its like running off to your Mommy", then when people come to you rather than following the established proceedure for should have received a similar response to those users emailing you. And what would the Fan Art Committee be qualified as, if not a user group? If nothing else, I say Donut should pull the Covenant of Halo from the Halopedia namespace where the admins (normally) can't mess with it. If someone has a problem, they should go to Donut, RR, a Councilor, file for impeachment, or file a proces formales mínore. There are plenty of options they can take other than going to one of the admin, so I don't think you should be interfering at all with CoH.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 04:58, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Rot, the admins were all sent invites when the CoH was first founded, none even responded to my messages. So, why should you be dictating the leadership of the CoH now? You have no right to mess with our groups. And if worse comes to worse, and the admins (Esemono, as the other admins don't have personal issues with RR & Donut) don't back down and let us decide for ourselves, i'll just place the CoH back on my namespace. Where it will be safe from Esemono.
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 14:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, i believe i see where this is going. For the moment, i'll side with Esemono and change Councilor-Imperator to an elected rank, every two months it will be re-elected. However, after looking through the CoH's member list, i'm somewhat concerned for my re-election, as we have many of the old-timers in the CoH; such as CAG, GPT, Rot, RR, etc. So i'm wondering have long i'd actually stay in command, hopeing for awhile since i did found it and spent so much time and effort on it...
 * -- Donut THX 1138 [[Image:Capt Donut.PNG|40px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ CoH ] - [ 'Nodotee ] 21:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if I agree with Esemono, and furthermore, Spartytime wants his post permanent. I spoke to him about it already. However, if Donut consents to this proposal, by oath, I am to follow him in his decision. I don't believe I'll run for Councilor-Imperator, though. Let Donut be revoted, as he's the just ruler, rightfully crowned. *RR sighs* Yeah, Donut, it's your call. Later all. Cheers, <font color="#D3D3D3">Gho <font color="#A9A9A9">st I <font color="#808080">nsi <font color="#000000">de the M <font color="#808080">ach <font color="#A9A9A9">ine <font color="#808080">''(<font color="#808080">Whisper through the Storm ) (<font color="#808080">My Journeys ) (<font color="#808080">Omens ) 21:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Granted though, i'm only doing these for peace. As long Esemono can create new laws and rules whenever he wants, there's really nothing i can do. And i really don't feel like changing everything back to my userpage right now. Although, you've reminded me of something RR, Spartytime doesn't want to give up his position, and i won't make him. He was promised a high seat in the CoH, and i never break a promise. So, it looks like Esemono now has someone else to speak with... Anyways, for the moment we'll be elected seats (me & RR), however, this is subject to change in the future. I may have the Council take a vote...
 * -- Donut THX 1138 [[Image:Capt Donut.PNG|32px]] [ Comm ] - [ CoH ] - [ 'Nodotee ] 22:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Halopedia is Wiki
And as such no one owns anything on Halopedia. This is GNU FDL site that anyone can make edits on any page. Now a group is a little different as to function it needs a leader but that leader, has to be elected! The CoH is going to vote you in and as an elected official you can rule with members mandate! -- Esemono 04:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Then how come you're acting like you own everything here?
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 09:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If I acted like I own everything then I would be assuming control as it is I'm giving control to all of Halopedia. -- Esemono 13:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, if you notice, you just changed the guidelines March 18. Before that it said nothing about elected leadership, it just mentioned being open to all users. WTF is that? Sounds like you're making up rules as you go.
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 10:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As I explained above I was willing to let your permanent rule slide as long as there was an independant UoH but when that was taken over I had no option but to make the new super group's leadership elected positions. But don't demerger why would you give up your hold on the ultimate power, control over both groups!  Take control!  Let the people vote you into power!  May Donut and RR be Elected forever!-- Esemono 13:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but that was never a rule until just now, when you felt like adding it. You're just thinking up ways to slowly take over, and take power away from anyone you don't like.
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 14:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The rule wasn't added until the surrender of the UNSC was officially announced.  As I've said over and over I didn't have a problem with the permanent rulers of CoH as long as there was an indenpendant elected alternative aka the UoH.  When you took that over I had no choice but to make the super group chosen by the people. -- Esemono 00:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

The UoH willingly chose to merge with us, because we had the members and the programmers. It was a win win all around.
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 00:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * When you turned the UoH from an elected independant body into a Theocracy ruled by a permanent ruling elite you killed the Elected alternative. As I've said again and again I don't have a problem with your little Covenant Theocracy as long as there is an elected alternative but when you killed that, I was forced to make the new supergroup an elected body.  But don't demerger why would you give up your grab for more power?  Hold onto the ultimate power, control over both groups! Take control! Let the people vote you into power! May Donut and RR be Elected forever!-- Esemono 03:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

You know, I noticed something. The UoH page was made by Esemono. Esemono, did you confer with Spartytime about its creation or just create it as a complete free elections? If the latter is true, then the UoH may well have been intended to be run like the CoH. And again, I would like to point out that people who don't like the way things are being run can always exercise their right to not join. Its not like not being in the CoH is bad. If the dissenters would merely speak their mind openly, or go to someone who was at least in the CoH and have them file a proces formale for them, I wouldn't mind the elections at all. However, the whole strong arming and new rule creation without us even know what was being complained about irks the hell out of me.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 22:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed no one responded to my message, that there would be no punishment for those who emailed Esemono, and for them to come forward and tell me their issues. No one. I'm begining to doubt your emails, if could just show me one of the problems, then maybe I'd reconsider, but as it stands, your story is becoming less and less believable.
 * -- Donut THX 1138 [[Image:Capt Donut.PNG|32px]] [ Comm ] - [ CoH ] - [ 'Nodotee ] 23:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah you not taking action that's believable it doesn't matter if you believe me that people might disagree with you. Users have complained and I'm forced to take action.  I don't see why you don't want power given to you by the people instead of just seizing it by threats towards me -- Esemono 02:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

And I don't see why you don't understand that by you strongarming the CoH with new rules because of anonymous users placing issues that you won't even mention after telling other users who used similar tactics that it was like running and crying to their mommy, that you would think that we'd just hop along with smiles on our faces. I don't like to be strongarmed, and more than that, I don't like to be strongarmed for reasons more vague than "someone said something at some point in time about you, I fell it neccesary I take action against you." And I don't like double standards. If some users are called cry babies for trying to get an admin to do some strong arming, and others are embraced and even supported, then I'm angry.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 06:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Look I know what you're up to I'm not going to let you strip Donut and RR's power away from them. You come in here saying that they should, "forget the merger". They worked hard to build this site and the union of UoH and CoH and to have you come in here and try and strip them of that Union is heartbreaking so I'm taking action!  I won't let you strip Donut and RR of their power and they Union they created! -- Esemono 07:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Wait wait wait, you sit here and try and make me look like the bad guy, then turn around and vote for me in an election you have no part in that I believe shouldn't exist. Personally, I am indifferent about the merger. I thought that perhaps suggesting to kill what I thought would likely be killed one way or the other by you would get you off the CoH's back, because as far as you seem to be concerned, the absorbtion of the UoH took away freedom or something like that. Now would you please explain your actions concerning the double standard rather than try and make me look like the bad guy, because I'll admit that I'm indifferent towards the merger. It could go either way and I really wouldn't mind too much, but you have yet to explain why you felt compelled to change Halopedia policy and strongarm a group to conform with a couple complainers while others who did similarly are insulted for their actions.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 22:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Permanent Rank
I really don't care about the permanent rank anymore, as no matter what, i could guarantee I'd be elected.
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 03:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If that's the case then what is the problem? I know you'll be elected, hell I want you to be elected but for the position to be legitimate you need to go through the process of an election.   -- Esemono 04:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The problem is people aren't following the established proceedures to complain about these "totalitarian dictators". If they can just complain to you and get what they want, then we might as well erase the constitution because the next time there is a problem, they'll just bypass it and go to you. If they have a problem, let them come out and declare it in a proces formale mínore or an impeachment charge. We shouldn't have to restructure because a couple of anonymous users are complaining about Donut behind his back.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 05:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Everyone seems to be under the impression that Donut "owns" CoH this is a Wiki nobody owns anything. I want there to be no other recourse than to follow established proceedures.  That's the point, if Donut's rule is enshrined in an free election then there will be no other way to but to go through the established procedure.   We have an election, Donut and RR are carried into power by a landslide vote, they win and I can get these complaints off my back because then the leadership will become legitimate .-- Esemono 05:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The elections are hardly the point anymore. I say if people want elections of Donut and RR, let the complainers suggest it rather than hiding behind you, Esomono. Your response to complaints can be "there are already established ways in the CoH for you to complain in, such as <insert the aforementioned ways to complain here>." I won't support this election thing until the proper proceedures are followed. If CoH should "technically" have free elections for the leadership, then the complainers should "technically" file a proces formale mínore or at the very least go to someone inside the CoH. This anonymous behind the back I-don't-like-Donut bologna sandwich is really got me pissed.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 05:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * That's what I want to say and after the elections when RR and Donut are elected to office making their rule legitimate then I can say to complainers, "there are already established ways in the elected CoH for you to complain in, such as <insert the aforementioned ways to complain here>." As it stands now I can't say that as CoH leadership does not conform to User Group guidelines. -- Esemono 07:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

"Politics. How tiresome" -- TheObviousOne 12:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You know, I looked at that Group Policy thing and I noticed something. It said nothing about elections up until March 18 when it was revised by none other than Esemono. You can view said revisions here. Perhaps if you hadn't edited it about 30 minutes after making this forum, you could have told the complainers to use the established route of complaining rather than being forced into action by a mandate that didn't exist for another 30 minutes.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 18:21, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As I've said over and over I was willing to let the permanant rule by a few users slide as long as an independent elected UoH existed. Once the UoH capitulation took place and there was no elected alternative I was forced to act. -- Esemono 00:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright, so basically this entire thing is about the UoH? If it really means that much, I'd say forget the merger. The UoH and the CoH likely won't be hitting any of the same articles, so it doesn't really matter to me that much.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 01:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Why should he be forced from power and lose his control over both groups? Let the people vote them into power and then let the people keep them in power by voting Donut and RR as the leadership of the new supergroup again and again!-- Esemono 03:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I am willing to concede to elections, but only after the proper proceedurs are followed. Tell the complainers that if they want any change, they are going to have to voice their own opinion rather than having an admin strong arm the group. I don't like any of this "certain unnamed people dislike certain unnamed things about Donut" stuff. Obviously, if there is a problem, we can't fix it if we don't know what it is.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 04:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Totalitarian Rule
Doesn't totalitarian mean a group that expands through ways of war or something along those lines?
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 18:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It's an evil, corrupt goverment bent upon ruling the popluation through fear and military power. Which is exactly what i did, huh? Boy, i'm one bad dictator...  : ' 
 * --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 21:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * My take on totalitarian is just a group of leaders who rule by decree for life but I know how much you guys like to play games and imitate the Covenant, who are totalitarian, but I guess a better name for them and you would be a Ruling Theocracy. -- Esemono 00:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Theocracy sounds much better.

to·tal·i·tar·i·an     /toʊˌtælɪˈtɛəriən/ [toh-tal-i-tair-ee-uhn]
 * –adjective
 * 1. of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.
 * 2. exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic.
 * –noun
 * 3. an adherent of totalitarianism

the·oc·ra·cy     /θiˈɒkrəsi/ [thee-ok-ruh-see]
 * –noun, plural -cies.
 * 1. a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God's or deity's laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities.
 * 2. a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission.
 * 3. a commonwealth or state under such a form or system of government.


 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 04:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

RR's take on things
Soo...to be concise, let my file down what I believe are the points:


 * Esemono has recieved email complaints regarding some sort of totalitarian dominance over the CoH, and wants to three heads of the UNSCoH/CoH to be elected as like the expanded five-head High Council.
 * Donut strongly wants to keep a permanent position over the CoH because of his extensive work in forming such a group that's done a "good job", as per Esemono.
 * Rotaretilbo dislikes double standards, and when one person is told that running to the admin without discussing the problem with others is like running to your mommy, then others should be told similarly. He is also suspicious of the fact that this forum existed prior to the change in the group policies that required elections. He is perfectly fine with elections, but only if the proper proceedures are followed in order to file a complaint about the leadership rather than having an admin strongarm the group with new rules.
 * RR doesn't want arguement, and is proposing to make his seat electable...after further discussion.

Okay. So, this is what I believe would solve the problem:


 * 1) Esemono furnishes email text w/o sender names
 * 2) UNSCoH staffers come here and say what they want.

Okay? =D

Cheers,

<font color="#D3D3D3">Gho <font color="#A9A9A9">st I <font color="#808080">nsi <font color="#000000">de the M <font color="#808080">ach <font color="#A9A9A9">ine <font color="#808080">''(<font color="#808080">Whisper through the Storm ) (<font color="#808080">My Journeys ) (<font color="#808080">Omens ) 15:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I use Totalitarian not as a slam but because that is what you guys want to set up where a few "permanent" leaders rule by decree for life.  Don't worry about losing your power as your positions will be pretty much permanent as you'll have no problem getting elected over and over.  It is only with elections that you can be viewed as legitimate.
 * I'm not comfortable giving transcripts as they are very specific complaints that will identify the users and any others I do give transcripts will be just claimed to be faked by me, so there is no point -- Esemono 16:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Instead of having UNSCoH staffers coming and saying what they want why not just have them elect you into power?
 * If this is about the length of your terms then maybe the High Council having two month terms and lower council shortened to 1 month? -- Esemono 16:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll speak to Donut tonight, where he can't vent his anger all over here. =D

Thanks for your suggestions. Cheers,<font color="#D3D3D3">Gho <font color="#A9A9A9">st I <font color="#808080">nsi <font color="#000000">de the M <font color="#808080">ach <font color="#A9A9A9">ine <font color="#808080">''(<font color="#808080">Whisper through the Storm ) (<font color="#808080">My Journeys ) (<font color="#808080">Omens ) 16:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Again this isn't a play for power I don't want to run the CoH, I'm not saying that Donut or RR can't run the what is it now UNSCoH all I'm saying is let Donut and RR run it with the will of the people! Don't worry about losing your power as you will maintain your absolute power but you rule legitamately as an elected official. -- Esemono 00:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Question?
So, if I understand CoH politics right(most likely not) on the off change(astronomical) that Dount not be elected Councilor-Imperator and someone else was, wouldn't that person have "administrative"(whatever that mean???) power to change certain aspects of the page? I say since Dount made it and RR helped a lot, their positions should be permenant. Even if dount and RR do get "elected" everytime, the point is that these elections would let potentially dangerous vandal(among other) who have yet to leaf yet. These errors could be cleaned up and order restored; however, this can all be avoided quite simply. That's my...one and a half cents...Peace. <font color="#007700">Contact me ·  · James-001 ·  ·  Find me  22:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * James makes a good point Esemono. I can guarantee that if the CoH page gets vandalized by another Councilor-Imperator (if i wouldn't get elected), i would have to take hostile actions and re-take the CoH. I will not have it be destroyed! Then i'd have to do away with your rules.
 * -- Donut THX 1138 [[Image:Capt Donut.PNG|32px]] [ Comm ] - [ CoH ] - [ 'Nodotee ] 23:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt that a vandal will spend all that time in trying to drum up support to get elected and then just vandalize the page. And even if someone who is elected does something you don't like you have the impeachment procedure.  But the impeachment procedure is only valid if you are first elected into the office -- Esemono 02:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If this is the case then I believe regardless of his position in the CoH, Dount reserve the right to change any aspect of his page, even if he is not councilor-imperator. He would in affect be the administrator of his page. So, he may want to let the positions be voted on, but to preserve the way of things, he would in affect be like a prophet of the covenant. Every big change(TBD by dount) should have to go through him in order to be accepted. He is the President of his creation. Also, this whole idea of impeachment is good when the leadership means well, but takes too long to go into affect. And yes Esemono, I do believe there are people out there that would waste all this time building up support just to ruin other people lives, it happens all the time in real life and even more frequently on the internet. I say, unless he becomes detrimental to the page, Dount be allowed to tweak his page as he sees fit. Moreover, if you want to start comparing this to the real world elections, Dount will not have to go up for re-election for another 3-4 YEARS. Peace. <font color="#007700">Contact me · [[Image:MA5C Animation.gif|30px]] · James-001 · [[Image:Arbiterhalo.jpg|35px]] ·  Find me  05:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not "his" page its the Covenant of Halopedia. If it was on his namespace then it would be the, "Covenant of Donut" NOT the Covenant of Halopedia and he could rule forever never having to answer to the people.  However because the CoH is the Covenant of Halopedia he must rule through the will of the people.  As for the vandalism A)Its a wiki and everything is reversible B)If something is done mailicously then the Admins can step in or someone can start the impeachment process.   -- Esemono 05:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

March 31st
Help Donut and RR seize power! Don't let evil forces split the UoH from the supergroup! Elect Donut and RR for their glory and wisdom forever! Elect Donut and RR to power! Power from the people-- Esemono 02:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Did I miss something, weren't you(see above name)against Donut and RR being in power, or are you just being facetious. Peace. <font color="#007700">Contact me · [[Image:MA5C Animation.gif|30px]] · James-001 · [[Image:Arbiterhalo.jpg|35px]] ·  Find me  05:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * God! As I've stated AGAIN and AGAIN I want Donut and RR to rule the CoH but I want them to do it through the will of the people!  If elections are held Donut and RR will be elected again and again thus securing their power but the main point is THEY WILL BE ELECTED!  All I want is their rule to be a legitamate rule! -- Esemono 05:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

And founding the CoH isn't legitimate enough? Elections weren't required before this forum was created (the rule being changed half an hour after this forum was created, though Esemono acts like the policy has been in effect since User Groups were created), so why is it that a few complain and won't even come forward and Halopedia changes policies. How come a couple of us complaining, or rather, bitterly arguing, doesn't get Halopedia policy changed but some anonymous users with anonymous complaints can change Halopedia policy? As I have said (at least twice now), if someone has a problem, they can exercise their right to not join the CoH. No one is forcing them, and it isn't detrimental to their health to not be in the CoH. They don't need to be in a group to fix up pages. CoH is just an organized effort, and if you aren't in it, no biggy. So then why is it that a couple users complain and the policy is changed to conform to them rather than they be told off like others who have done similarly have?
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 06:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Creating a page doesn't mean you own it!
Creating a page doesn't mean you own it! Halopedia is a Wiki and as such is owned by everyone! Thus whoever is charge of a particular aspect of Halopedia should be elected!
 * I created UoH
 * I created the Fan Art Committee
 * I created HOTM
 * I created Template:FeaturedArticle
 * I created the Template:PictureAndQuote
 * I also have created countless Canon articles and how many of them do I control? How many?  NONE! Am I a permanent ruler of any of these?  NO! -- Esemono 15:34, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Halopedia is a wiki and as such is open to everyone not a select few ruling elite! All those who lead should be elected! -- Esemono 15:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

As I've stated AGAIN and AGAIN I want Donut and RR to rule the CoH but I want them to do it through the will of the people! If elections are held Donut and RR will be elected again and again thus securing their power but the main point is THEY WILL BE ELECTED! All I want is their rule to be a legitamate rule! -- Esemono 05:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If you really want us in power, how come you voted against me?
 * -- Donut THX 1138 [[Image:Capt Donut.PNG|32px]] [ Comm ] - [ CoH ] - [ 'Nodotee ] 17:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't vote against you that's a blantant lie. I voted for another user because you had such a lead that a win was unquestioned.  I voted for a third person because nobody was voting for the Speaker position. -- Esemono 02:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I really think it is moot, because Esemono isn't in the CoH or UoH anyway. Certainly outsiders don't have a vote in a user group, or is another new rule coming that I haven't heard about yet?
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 22:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah sorry about that I forgot you changed the rule about you have to be a member to vote -- Esemono 23:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be absurd not to. You have to be part of the US to vote for president, and you have to be part of Halopedia to vote for HotM, so why wouldn't you have to be part of CoH to vote for the leaders of CoH? People who aren't in CoH don't have any business electing our leaders for us.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 01:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Deep breaths ... calm down. I agree.  I just forgot and got caught up in the excitment of the vote, I apoligized, I'm sorry. move on -- Esemono 02:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The way you worded it made it appear as if you were insinuating I was hypocritical after pointing out your change of the rules. If that wasn't what you meant, then I apologize.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 04:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's the trouble with typing a conversation as you can't see facial expressions or get a cue on what they "really" mean. -- Esemono 07:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Admins don't rule the users, the users rule the Admins
Esemono should stop abusing his power and being a dictator to Halopedia's users! The Admins are here to serve the users! I am not against Esemono expressing his personal thoughts, but using his admin powers to abuse Donut? I am on the side of Donut and Rot! The CoH is not a unfair organization, the people vote, if I thought RR and Donut were ruling badly, I would do everything in my power to stop them from getting into office. Don't expect me supporting you in any way Esemono. I am outraged at your incivility. If you want to be part of CoH, join it! It does not belong to you only! It belongs it's members! You should be ashamed of yourself! I'm not accepting any apologies for your abuse of your power and hypocritical insults towards my leaders, either. -- Black Mercy 01:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * How exactly am I abusing Donut when I gone through all this effort in hopes that him and RR will win? Halopedia pages aren't owned by anyone I've created countless pages and do I have permanent rule over any of them?  No.  I wouldn't ask Donut or RR to do anything I've haven't done.  I created and then gave over power for the UoH to the people of Halopedia why can't Donut rule through the will the of the people!  -- Esemono 02:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Long live Donut as the elected leader of CoH! -- Esemono 02:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for my harshness, just wanted to make amends -- Black Mercy 03:51, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's making amends? Man, I hate to see what you type when you actually like a person. -- Esemono 07:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)