Forum:The image of the Pillar of autumn leaving reach is false

if you look at this image http://halopedian.com/Image:The_Pillar_of_Autumn.jpg then look at this one which is supposed to be the pillar of autumn leaving reach http://halopedian.com/Image:Reach.jpg they are not the same. I think that that image is of a Marathon class cruiser. look at this picture of a marathon class cruiser http://halopedian.com/Image:Marathon-class_Cruiser.JPG.


 * Yes, that is a Marathon-class cruiser, but only because it was easier for Bungie than also including a Halcyon-class cruiser as well. They were just hoping no one would notice, I guess. G ü é ß Ł ¥ -∏ é Ґ ∫ ø ñ ¥ -† ħ î <font color="#00ff00">И <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">¥  01:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

What ship are in these pictures?
The debate was getting a little confusing so I've moved the old talk page to the archive and moved the relavant points here.

Image:Reach.jpg
In that picture with the burning planet and the covenant CCS class battle cruisers in the backround (Shown to the right) was a human ship fleeing battle. That human ship was in fact the HALCYON CLASS Pillar of Autumn. While Marathon class and Halcyon class cruiser are extremely alike, Marathons always seem to be more skeletal in appearence. Bungie did nothing to change the appearence of the ship Pillar of Autumn. They left it in same appearence as in the first Halo Game [as a Marathon Class]. They never replaced that Halcyon class cruiser model with a Marathon class cruiser model because of how [time] was running out. -- User:Halo3 22:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, no, this is a Marathon cruiser. Look at the bottom; it has a thing jutting out towards the front; only Marathons have that. They never put the Halcyon into Halo 2 because time was running out, and just falsely used the Marathon there. <font color="#000000">G <font color="#770000">ü <font color="#cc0000">é <font color="#ff0000">ß <font color="#ff3333">Ł <font color="#ff6666">¥ -<font color="#9999ff">∏ <font color="#6666ff">é <font color="#3333ff">Ґ <font color="#0000ff">∫ <font color="#0000cc">ø <font color="#000066">ñ <font color="#000000">¥ -<font color="#000000">† <font color="#007700">ħ <font color="#00cc00">î <font color="#00ff00">И <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">¥  23:27, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * They'd also make it confusing. because the fact that few Halcyon cruisers survied. like 10 (or less) would have been spared from the scrapyard. If Halcyons were flying by in the battle of earth, that'd be confusing.
 * Also, you'll note that the "nose" of the ship is rather different. The Pillar of Autumn ' s nose is much flatter, while the ship in the picture (and the Marathon-class cruiser's) nose juts out a lot near the top.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 01:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:UNSC-Ship.jpg
That picture with the cruiser rocketing away with covenant CCS Class Battle Cruisers in the backround is incorrect (no offense). That is the Halcyon Class Cruiser Pillar Of Autumn escaping the Covenant fleet.Halo3 03:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)--Halo3
 * Actually, no. Upon further investigation, it is clear that Bungie used a Marathon-class Cruiser there, rather than the Halcyon-class model, just to save space and time and money and stuff. So instead I replaced it with another, clearer picture of a Marathon-class, that's actually supposed to be a Marathon-class, which you deleted. Warum hast du das machen?  guesty - persony - thingy  05:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As Dojorkan pointed out this picture in the, "game files its called 'POA'" and that Stephen Loftus claims that this picture is a UNSC Cruiser,
 * Yes, Dojorkan, the top two pics are the UNSC Cruiser. Good pics! It's in the game files as POA because it stands in for the Autumn in the escape from Reach part of the cutscene, but it's obviously not the same design of vessel. -- Stephen Loftus

Image:Marathon-class Orbit.jpg
I'm pretty sure the picture isnt of the Marathon-Class Cruiser. i think it's just a stripped-down Halcyon-Class.
 * YES! I CONCUR! Finally! Cheers,  Relentless  Recusant [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 23:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As Dojorkan pointed out Stephen Loftus claims that this picture is ALSO a UNSC Cruiser,
 * Yes, Dojorkan, the top two pics are the UNSC Cruiser. Good pics! It's in the game files as POA because it stands in for the Autumn in the escape from Reach part of the cutscene, but it's obviously not the same design of vessel. -- Stephen Loftus


 * But you are forgetting the Marathon is just a larger Haly, Sorta like a Ford GT and a Ford GT concept they are built pretty much same shape and style but one had more goodies, and the PoA was a HEAVILY modified Haly --DarkAngel 16:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * After thought both the Haly and the Marathon are cruisers sooo its no surprise they look alike. I mean how many of you could guess the differnce between the shape and design of a light cruiser and a heavy cruiser.--DarkAngel 16:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference between heavily modified and different. The ship seen here and the PoA are inherently different. First, you'll note that the Pillar of Autumn is broken up into four main pieces: the thrusters, the main body, the "neck" and the "nose". The other cruiser, however, six pieces: thrusters, aft main, mid main, fore main, "neck", and "nose". You'll also notice that where the PoA has three radar plates (shaped like squares), one on either side and one in the middle, the other cruiser has two, each of which sticks out from the main body like daggers. The other cruiser's radar plates also have guns under them. There is also the major difference in the nose. The PoA's nose is very flat save for a single axtension. The other cruiser's nose has a huge protusion near the top that takes up half the nose. Overall, the PoA is very boxish, while the other cruiser is not. You can modify a ship's guns, its armor, its electronics, but you can't completely redesign the hull.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 01:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Stephen Loftus is WRONG!
When you say that bungie left it in to save time and money would it not make more sense to just stick with the first one that you created instead of takeing the time to make a new model. Also i dont believe that is was a stripped down version because it states in the books that it was beefed up. Next if that was a striped down why does it not appear like that when they discover halo. Maybe there was another ship that they are not telling us about. just like in the first game you were the last spartan but that turned out to be not true. from The haloman 19:06, 16 April 2007


 * The first PoA is from Halo 1 and is not nearly as in depth in apearance as the Halo 2 ship. If they had already created the other ship for the Earth sequence, it would not have been "taking the time to make a new model." -- Dragon<font color="FF0000">c laws ( talk ) 21:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The first one they created was a Halcyon; the PoA was the ONLY Halcyon still in active service, as I recall. The new ones in Halo 2 are Marathons, since Marathons are still in active service, especially around Earth, and they just also used the Marathon for the PoA in Halo 2, since it only appeared for like two seconds. <font color="#000000">G <font color="#770000">ü <font color="#cc0000">é <font color="#ff0000">ß <font color="#ff3333">Ł <font color="#ff6666">¥ -<font color="#9999ff">∏ <font color="#6666ff">é <font color="#3333ff">Ґ <font color="#0000ff">∫ <font color="#0000cc">ø <font color="#000066">ñ <font color="#000000">¥ -<font color="#000000">† <font color="#007700">ħ <font color="#00cc00">î <font color="#00ff00">И <font color="#44ff44">g <font color="#99ff99">¥  23:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

As GPT said, the PoA was one of the last Halcyons left. In fact, the Halcyon is more of a joke around the Navy, according to Cortana. Thus, when you see streams of this unknown ship flying about in Halo 2, it would make no sense at all for them to be Halcyon-class Cruisers, because none are used. As such, Bungie made a new ship, a cruiser, to be Earth's main ship force. However, to save time, since there were only a few moments the PoA was mentioned and it was briefly, Bungie used the other cruiser model rather than uploading the old cruiser model from Halo: Combat Evolved.
 * --Master Gunnery Sergeant Hank J Wimbleton IV COM 01:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)