User talk:H*bad/synopsis

Forgottenlord's comments
This is just starting to happen? H*Bad, there isn't a community on the planet where this is a problem - whether it be online or real life. Why? Power is attractive, addictive. Like all addictions, it doesn't attract everyone, but it will always attract someone. As such, all communities have power groups.

However, there are flaws in your arguments. First, the admins are not the most popular members on Halopedia. I hear complaints almost daily about one or another of the administrators. Hell, I don't like some of the members of the admin team. They are, perhaps, the most visible members, but that is due to the fact that they have designed it to be visible, and it's a context that they wish to do.

Your proposal is flawed because it fails to ask the base question: what kind of community do we want? The community you are promoting, a community where the administrators fade to the background, is one possible option, but it, too, has its own disadvantages. It hinders the ability to moderate. It discourages being administrators because then you are no longer a part of the community. It makes the administrators less approachable as the members no longer know them. It makes it difficult the way the community is run and managed.

Yet at the same time, there is a usergroup that does this - that is not a visible group of administrators and leaves the community to its own policies, its own democracy: The Wikia administrators. Practically invisible members of Halopedia, but the ultimate authority on all matters.

So what is the policy that we want and the advantages of having our system? Community building. Period. Things like keeping the community civilized, cooperation with members in developing articles, community programs like Oracle Newsletter, the usergroups (which were developed by our current administrators), the Sentinel program, and various other groups.

Even if we removed the Administrators, we would still need to have a degree of moderation within the community - and whether it is done by the Administrators or, instead, done by a new group of moderators, there will always be accusations of corruption and concerns about practices used.

As for the democracy issue:
 * 1) Look up the word Republic. You clearly don't know what it means.
 * 2) I've written an article that will be in the next ON explaining the reasons we don't have a full Democracy here.

--forgottenlord 17:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * EDIT: One thing I forgot to mention, another thing that always exists are the naysayers - those who don't just follow the admins and often outright oppose the admins at every turn. Perhaps they always lose, perhaps they win the odd round.  So far, Halopedia has had the latter. --forgottenlord 17:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * First off, thank you for commenting this. I am sorry that I couldn't get to this earlier, but I am currently busy with a lot of different subjects all at once.
 * So anyways, by starting to happen I mean by that it's starting to really show up, a lot. I just didn't clarify it as well as I was hoping, because I have had little time to do anything.
 * I was actually thinking about the Sysops still doing the monitoring. Since that's what they "signed" up for.
 * And I do know what a Republic means. It means we elect our rulers to do what we want them to do. Basically what the United States, and other "democratic" countries do.
 * Now what I mean by a democracy, is not a full democracy. Basically have the community more involved. Sysops continue to make policies that nobody voted for. That's just a suggestion from me and other people.
 * Now for the Sysops being the most popular, it doesn't matter if some people are complaining about them. What matters are the people that aren't on IRC, but the community that we have, which is rather larger than what get on IRC. Now I am just saying IRC, since that is the only place that I can think of that there would be people complaining about the Sysops. I like our sysop team and I may not agree with them on all of the issues, but they are still good at what they do. Which is another reason why people follow them. So now that they are following them, they get into that trend that makes them follow them for anything. Which is the problem at hand. What I am trying to stop here is a community built on it's sysops thoughts, and less of the community, if any real community actually exists.--H*bad (talk) 21:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)