Talk:Fhajad-084

Serial Number
The last part of the article said: "the closest thing "resemlbing" 3 is 8", but it doesn't have to "resemble" the number. It could be the number right next to it, so his serial number might be: 024 or 044. --Uneven elephant 16:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

ive just finished reading FoR for like the 10th time. his serial no. is 34. this gets shown when keys is reviewing the notes on slipspace on the "iroquois", just before the battle of Sigma Octanus. the slipspace article/paper is written by one "Fhajad 34"Triggerhappymole 09:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Lieutenant Commander???
When did spartan-084 become a Lieutenant Commander? Was that when he was with ONI? I thought Kurt was the only spartan to recieve that rank. James-001 05:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He didn't get promoted until after he washed out from Spartan-II. -ED 21:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

yep. he washed out but was still able to plan missions and the like. since he is a spartan he is good enough to be promoted quickly to Lt Cmdr. oh and his serial no is 34Triggerhappymole 09:44, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Parkinson's disease
The UNSC can cure cancer in an hour, and they can't cure Parkinson's disease? -- Nup (T) 11:36, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like it. There is no source on curing it, while the cure for cancer became Canon after Halo: ODST was released.--Chairman Jack the BlackCOGskull.jpg 11:48, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Shaking
Why was Fhajad shaking at the funeral ceremony? Wouldn't he have been on medication, like dopamine? Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 14:05, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Why would he have been high at the funeral? :/ No, but seriously, probably he wanted to be sober for the funeral of his best friends. And on another note, in ilovebees, it says that the SPARTANs were autopsied and their brains were taken for AI creation. But doesn't that contradict Halo: The Fall of Reach? Vegerot ( talk )  16:04, 6 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Either it had no effect on him or he was too arrogant to take medication, wanting to prove that he was capable of becoming a SPARTAN. I don't recall ilb contradicting FoR in that part. Unless 343i managed to make more inconsistencies, of course. --  Fore  run  ner '' 16:09, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

@Forerunner: It was in the original FoR. It mentions him shaking as he tried to salute.

@Vegerot: Dopamine is not the same as dope. Dopamine is a chemical that our bodies produce naturally every time we feel happy. "Dope" is more of that chemical, and all drugs are based on increasing its output, but "dopamine" is regularly used as an inhibitor for Parkinson's today. It's the same reason why Michael J. Fox was shaking during his meeting before the Senate in 1998 but seems fine other times, because he had chosen not to take his medication that day. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 17:56, 6 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Dopamine, as used to treat Parkinson's disease, can cause drowsiness, hallucinations, nausea, and other unpleasant side effects; I'm sure that Fhajad wanted to be at his best during his friends' funeral, even if he had to fight through pain to do it. With regard to the autopsies, I don't recall ILB saying that the washouts from the class of 2525 had their brains removed, only that Yasmine's - a 2545 washout - was used to create Melissa. Even if it does, that part has been retconned. In her journal, Halsey talks about how the washouts' bodies were placed "on ice" in the hope that they may some day be resuscitated. Thus, the "burial" in space was a symbolic ruse; the SPARTANs assumed that their comrades' bodies were being jettisoned, though they were actually in ONI's custody. --&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson 19:04, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Maybe, but those symptoms take time to develop. This was just after augmentations. Hm. Maybe the augmentations had some other effect that might them impractical at this time period? Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 19:12, 6 May 2011 (EDT)


 * That's certainly possible. Fhajad's metabolism likely would have been radically altered by the procedures, so giving him drugs right away could have had dire consequences. --&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson 19:15, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

Very true. Should it be noted on the page? Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 20:13, 6 May 2011 (EDT)


 * @Tucker: Sorry, it's been a long time since I visited my local drug dealer (kidding. god, the worst part about typing stuff is that you have no way to convey sarcasm), but doesn't dope increase dopamine output? And dope is short for dopamine, so I think they are the same thing.  All though you probably use more if you want to get high.


 * Jefferson: Well, they only put the living bodies on ice.  The dead ones were dead, no hope for them (if I recall correctly, even the Forerunners could not bring people back from the dead).   Vegerot  ( talk )  01:45, 8 May 2011 (EDT)!!!

The washouts' bodies
Halsey's journal, April 1, 2525 - "I've ordered that NO candidate autopsies be performed (noninvasive scans and blood tests are permissible). Brief funeral services (closed casket) served to help surviving Spartans attain psychological closure.

''Bodies of augmentation washouts are cryogenically preserved, pending further study. Perhaps one day we'll discover ways to ameliorate or reverse lethal side effects and revive some, if not all, of them. That is my hope.''

''Reviving these candidates would be fraught with complexities - and not just from a technological perspective. How would they respond to an essentially new world when resuscitated months or even years later?''

''How would surviving Spartans react to their comrades' resurrection? I certainly can't predict. One thing is certain - ONI would find a use for them."''

This passage comes straight from Halsey's journal. The dead washouts' bodies - not the living ones - were placed in cryo. The funeral was closed-casket, giving the other Spartans the illusion that their comrades bodies' were being jettisoned into space. We don't know whether the Forerunners could revive the dead, but we know that they could bring people back from the mostly dead, as happened to the Didact. Even if ONI couldn't resuscitate the washouts, it wouldn't hurt them to try. On another note: "ONI would find a use for them." Could this remark suggest the origins of Black Team? --&quot;Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.&quot; -Thomas Jefferson 11:39, 8 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Potentially so. The concept of "reviving the dead" sounds very iffy though.— subtank  11:50, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

There is the example of Linda, who was clinically dead when placed in cryosleep, but managed to be successfully revived. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 11:54, 8 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Okay, this is definitely a contradiction to ilovebees. How could they take Yasmine's brain by using "noninvasive scans and blood tests."?  Is it possible that Yasmine was beyond hope, no matter what (like, oh, I don't know, her rib-cage was completely crushed, vital organs beyong repair, etc.)?  So for those candidates, they took their brains to create Smart AIs?   Vegerot  ( talk )  07:42, 9 May 2011 (EDT)!

This was 2525. Yasmine was in 2545, where policioes were likely changed. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 10:23, 9 May 2011 (EDT)

Musa/Fhajad in Initiation?
Can we get a source confirmation for the image? — subtank   13:39, 19 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Is this issue currently out? I can't piece together how the character Musa in the Initiation preview images is equated with Fhajad. The recent edits make it sound like a done deal. What'd I miss? -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 12:17, 28 July 2013 (EDT)


 * It's not out yet, I believe it was "guess work" by Dr Mutran. Sith-venator Wavingstrider Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 17:19, 29 July 2013 (EDT)


 * While it might turn out correct, I don't think we like a lot of that guesswork to go in this way here. Erickyboo (talk) 01:08, 30 July 2013 (EDT)


 * You gotta' watch out for that Guess Work, we really shouldn't assume these two are the same people until we have a source. Remember last time we jumped the gun guys? Now half the fanbase still thinks Jul 'Mdama's Covenant remnant is called the Storm. Sith-venator Wavingstrider Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 04:16, 30 July 2013 (EDT)

Guys, it's all from the online preview provided by Dark Horse, none of it is guesswork. A link to the preview has been posted on Halo Waypoint. In the preview, Musa talks about the Spartans as his "brothers and sisters" and references how Halsey "confined him" to a wheelchair for life.-- 11:46, 30 July 2013 (EDT)


 * I think the issue is more of "Musa and Fhajad are likely to be two different Spartan-IIs". While Musa Fhajad sounds like a real name (and I do think it is a real name), it is still guesswork. — subtank   11:50, 30 July 2013 (EDT)


 * It could end up like Merg Vol being mistaken for Jul 'Mdama not a long time ago, just because they looked similar. I also think that Musa is probably Fhajad but until anything is revealed we should be more careful. Imrane-117 (talk) 12:30, 30 July 2013 (EDT)


 * Would it be possible to move back to Fhajad-084, at least for a little while? At the moment it's a &#91;not in citation given&#93; I'm afraid. There are a few similarities, but nothing that shows with absolute certainty that Fhajad and this Musa fellow are one and the same, at least not yet. I'd hate to see people taking this as absolutely true, when it is guesswork/speculation, sorry. --Tent acle Torn ado  14:43, 31 July 2013 (EDT)