Talk:Miranda Keyes

More images?
I was just looking up images of Miranda around the web, and there's a pathetically small number of them around, and those few available are endlessly circulated. Does anyone have additional images or screen captures that may be used for this page?Fire Eater 23:01, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. there are a few images in the Halo Encyclopedia that could be used.

Mother
According to the journal from the limited and legendary editions of Reach Halsey is Miranda's mother. someone who has the information should add it to the article. FATGUNN 23:39, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yea I took care of it. Col.  Snipes  4  50  16:54, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Why would Miranda's surname be Halsey? If Jacob was her father, then she should have been born as Miranda Keyes.

Her parents did not marry, and she lived with her mother. Its been stated that her relationship with her father was never great. VARGR 13:06, September 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Her surname would still not be Halsey. There is insufficient proof that says so. All we know is that she had her name legally changed but we are never given her birth name. Her birth name could be anything. It could even be Miranda Curtana...-  5 əb'7 aŋk (7alk ) 13:12, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm behind but.... That's why Miranda looks so damn similar to Cortana!?


 * Continueing SubTank disscusion: If Keyes wasn't around when Halsey gave birth to Miranda, then Dr. halsey would have been the one to name her, including her last name. Keyes was probably on duty at the time anyway. Que   Sera,  Sera  02:51, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it's even mentioned by Halsey in her journal that Cortana looks quite like Miranda. The fact that she mentioned this at all means that Halsey has a genetic relationship with Miranda, otherwise such a comment would make little sense, with Cortana being derived from Halsey's brain. ---dky 22:26, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Just to be clear, when any child is born to an unwed mother, the child takes his or her mother's last name by default, so Miranda would have been born Miranda Halsey. Like Miranda did, the child can obviously get the name changed later, but taking the mother's last name is the norm unless the mother is married (in which case the child automatically takes the father's last name). Also, there are subtle details in Halsey's journal that are far more definitive in demonstrating that Miranda is indeed her daughter than what has been discussed so far - just got to pay more attention to some of the scribbles Halsey writes on the margins of her journal. Lt garry 05:46, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

you guys know that this is 500 years in the future and naming conventions at this time probably don't all follow modern english naming conventions. therefore your arguments are invalid.--Ender the Xenocide 11:21, 16 November 2010 (EST)

Miranda Keyes and Crow's Nest
In the opening cutscene of Crow's Nest, we see Miranda Keyes has already been in the base. How long has Keyes been in command of the base or even there? Does anyone know? Assuming she got off of Delta Halo (along with Johnson and Arbiter) shortly after Tartarus' death on Nov. 3, and she got to Earth relatively close to that date, and knowing that we see her in Crow's Nest on Nov. 17, is it safe to say that she was in command of the base for like a week?

Date of Birth
I understand that the new Essential Visual Guide lists Miranda Keyes date of birth as February 28th, 2525, however Dr. Halsey's journal suggests that the rendezvous which led to her conception took place in November 2524. If that's the case it's one hell of a short pregnancy (3 1/2 months). I suppose it's possible that her tryst with Keyes took place 6 months before she got around to writing about it, but the language and writing style of the entry seem to imply it was a recent development. Finally, Halsey writes on March 9, 2525 about having to switch to decaf coffee, suggesting she was still pregnant at the time. Any potential explanations for this discrepancy?--  Rusty  - 112   11:28, 12 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Maybe she knew Jacob for much longer than we thought (eg. He had assisted her for more than just the John inspection).--  Fore  run  ner '' 12:43, 12 July 2011 (EDT)


 * Possible, but the language of the journal entry suggests that this was their first meeting since she reassigned him away from the Spartan program back in 2517.--Emblem 1.jpg  Rusty  - 112   13:18, 12 July 2011 (EDT)


 * If it wasn't for the decaf I'd say "IVF". I guess we'd have to go with her just meeting Jacob again after her "suggestive" journal entry.--  Fore  run  ner '' 16:03, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

Rank
Miranda's rank is given as Commander as of her death in the EVG. SPARTAN-177 20:50, 30 August 2011 (EDT)

Image of Miranda from Halo 2 in Gallery
Could someone please replace the picture of Miranda squinting in the gallery with a better and less awkward looking one? Actually, why is she squinting in the picture to begin with? --RadicalEdward2 10:19, 2 December 2011 (EST)

Rank discrepancy
I heard a while ago that Keyes is listed incorrectly in the Visual Guide as a Commander. Is this correct and is she in fact a Lieutenant Commander? I changed the page a while ago to reflect this and it was just changed back.--
 * She was confirmed to be a LCDR in the Art of Halo 3; her gold rank insignia and status as the captain of a frigate confirms that. As well, Commander is the short form of LCDR in the same regard as Lieutenant/Colonel and with general/flag officers.


 * Then why is she wearing Commander Stripes in Halo 3? And why is she wearing a Silver Commander's insignia in Halo 2? Why has she never been referred to as Lieutenant Commander - EVEN IN THE CEREMONY at Halo 2 by Admiral Hood - who would have addressed her by her full rank as it was a formal ceremony? The obvious conclusion is that the "Halo 3" art guys made an error. -- MisterRandom2 14:44, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 * Also, just because she commanded a frigate doesn't mean she was LCDR. Jacob Keyes was a full Commander when he commanded a destroyer, which isn't much bigger than a frigate. -- MisterRandom2 14:58, 13 March 2012 (EDT)


 * Everything shown in Art of Halo 3 are simply concepts, derivatives and cut-contents; not everything in that medium can be taken as solid canon. I believe EVG is the only source that provides her rank during the events of H3 and we should respect it as a source. That said, it appears that she was promoted somewhere in between events of H2 and H3.— subtank  15:04, 13 March 2012 (EDT)


 * Then again, it is possible that she was given a posthumous promotion like John's MCPON at the end of H3, and that EVG is reflecting on this... or, EVG might be wrong/made a mistake.— subtank  15:08, 13 March 2012 (EDT)


 * You mean between the events of 2550 and H2, right? -- MisterRandom2 15:06, 13 March 2012 (EDT)


 * No, I meant between H2 and H3. Again, refer to my previous post.— subtank  15:09, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
 * I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that the statement regarding Keyes in the Visual Guide is a mistake.-- 15:36 13 March 2012 (EST)
 * Unless the statement was issued by Bungie or 343 Industries, it doesn't count. -- MisterRandom2 15:38, 13 March 2012 (EDT)


 * If she were promoted between Halo 2 and Halo 3, then one must wonder why her oak leaf is still gold in that Tarantino-esque Halo 3 screengrab taken just before she gets shot in the back by Truth... Barring a screw-up by the art department (which is possible), the likely likely explanation that would be given is that her promotion was, in fact, a field promotion which was made permanent after her death... Either that, or the UNSC Navy color scheme is the reverse of the US Navy's... Of course, that would mean a lot of revisions to a lot of pages would be necessary, so it's probably best to assume it's a screw-up by the art dept...DJenser 15:40, 18 July 2012 (EDT)


 * This was discussed during the production of the Visual Guide. I'm not sure why her texture model flips between gold and silver leaves (she still has the 3 solid sleeve bars), but the intention is she is a full Commander during the events of Halo 2 and 3. She was promoted to Lieutenant Commander after her heroic actions on the Hilbert and then sometime between 2550 and 2552 was promoted to full Commander. There have been errors surrounding ranks and insignia before. In Halo 1, Captain Keyes is a Captain in the Navy, yet the double bar pin on his chest is 'Captain' in the Army/Marines, so it's more likely the texture artist did some cursory research but didn't know what was what. Keep in mind too the error in the Miranda promotion ceremony excerpt in 2550 that Jacob is referred to as "Captain" Keyes at that point, yet he was only a full Commander at that time and wasn't promoted to Captain until July 2552. In that case, it's a slip because the character is known as "Captain Keyes" and no one was checking if the date made sense. :) ScaleMaster117 (talk) 07:40, 18 June 2013 (EDT)