Forum:Request for Usergroup:Forge Team of Halopedia

Note- This is a fairly old RfU, and New ideas and problems should be addressed on the bottom, as I am taking in your concerns.

The following is an RfU for the new usergroup that LOMI and myself, WRAITH, wish to see created. It would be called the Forge Team of Halopedia (FToH). The usergroup will be near purely for recreation with Halo 3's Forge tool, but it will also allow people to share their own creations and ideas, as well as to teach others. Those users that are unable to use Forge (like myself) will be able to use a sub-section of the usergroup's main page (or a subpage for the usergroup) to suggest ideas, share their own finds and the like. The usergroup itself will operate like any other usergroup, even with a ranking system; however this rank system will be more on the skill of the member maps made instead of accomplishments. This should: A. help some feel like they are achieving goals and B. Keep an interest in editing maps. For example, Member 1 would have made 26 maps or contributions with forge, therefore making him an Apprentice in the Forge Team. The ranking system is as follows:

Note: I am considering abolishing the ranking system so ignore this.


 * Novice - A beginner. No edits.
 * Apprentice - More than a beginner. Must reach 25 edits to reach this point.
 * Journeyman - Getting up there. Must reach 50 edits to achieve this rank.
 * Expert - Very skilled. Must reach 100 edits to achieve this rank.
 * Taskmasters - Second to the top. Must reach 200 edits for this.
 * Master - The founders and leaders and "elite"(though not better than anyone else.)

We will discuss if any more should be included. The number of Edits needed for these ranks is still to be determined as well as is there should be additional ranks. As well there will be Overseers who direct and organize events for the group. Following this Idea of a recreational group, I also thought it would be a good Idea to organize certain events, such as one day to build a map using only boxes to make a maze or something more complex such as make a CTF map that incorporates floating bases. Overall this usergroup will help those share their ideas, develop new skills, and have fun with Halo 3's Forge tool! One final note is that not all of this has been finalized, so there is no need to worry about anything yet. This is the cement for this idea, so any concerns or ideas to add would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely Luke and James, also known as WRAITH and Lordofmonsterisland.

Again, this is in the works, so feel free to point out bugs here and there, just like with the Monitors of Halopedia. Take Care.

Luke and James

Wra ithA scen dant  TacComm   Classified Operations  01:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC) --Lord of SPARTANsLOMI HQI here your criesMay your works be honorable 14:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Support (16/2 admins)
-- WRAITH has requested this group before and i've thought that it's been an alright idea from the start. General  Tony ,  Administrator of Halopedia  Talk 6/05/2008

-- Like it or not, Halopedia is becoming a community. I say we foster that, and let it grow! --  Councillor  Specops306  -  Kora   'Morhek  01:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

-- I agree, i love the idea, plus this would be a great group for machinima creaters to join which would allow Halopedia to gain more users. i'll join. --HaloFan500 15:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

-- I like and support the idea.-Halopediaman 21:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

-- Cool idea!  RaZoRKilleR117 ,  Zurxoz 'Warkum 02:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Good idea --

I think it would be a great Idea ^_^ Chmeee,Verses Fatum


 * Only 24 mainspace edits out of a 50 minimum. Councilor Εw C 'Dnaudee Battle Net My Editcount 22:23, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Could an admin verify the rules for us - is it 50 mainspace edits or 50 total edits? --forgottenlord 05:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC) Verified, 50 mainspace. --forgottenlord 05:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

-- Go for it Incendiary 09:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

-- It sounds like a great idea! Count me in!Thunderstream328  Here me rawr Stuff I've done 10:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

- I like the idea, but I wouldn't call it a usergroup in the strictest sense. That said, I would love to contribute to this group. Thanks, General   simon   r  j  h 10:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

- Having people sharing their different forge techniques and map ideas is definitly usefull to everyone who uses the forge. I agree that this group should be given a chance to be created. Sitheris 15:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC) - Sounds like fun, I'll join! Ktaz 'Takum
 * "no mainspace edits.[[Image:1206326695 Halo2emblem funny.JPG|14px]] Rookie162 'Holla!''commitment level' 23:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)"
 * You don't do this.Bllasae 00:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

"Oh geeze, sorry! Didn't realize that, but still, no edits. I won't do that anymore, not like I've done it before anyway. Rookie162 'Holla!''commitment level' 02:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)"
 * Correction: any individual that understands the rules for voting sufficiently may strike votes that do not qualify. It is not an admin-only duty.  Striking votes that shouldn't have been struck will get you in trouble so make sure you understand the rules, but still. --forgottenlord 03:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * User has no Mainspace edits, vote stricken. Pryo 'Zarkum [[Image:Major-gr2.gif|19px]] My COMMy WorkMy Story 22:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

- Sounds interesting it's worth giving a try.Sparten 051 00:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC) 20:30,5 June 2008

- It sounds like a good idea, together we can make the most excellent map ever! --Force Colonel ' Valhala ' 112  00:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

- Don't see a reason why this should be opposed. Dark Neptune 02:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

-Righteous......Righteous!!!!!! Heck yeah man, i can finally get my realistic maps out in the open
 * Signed by an IP address. - Stigma-231 [[Image:1212710816 Halo3emblem.jpg|16px]]→ center of the sun ←[ <font color="BurlyWood">Talk ][ <font color="BurlyWood">Work ] 15:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

- It's a good idea. <font color="00008B">Matoro3311 <font color="C0C0C0">"Shout At Me""My Contribs" 15:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

- It's a great idea!  <font color="Green">Lt. Commander  21:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

- I read about it and I believe it is a great idea and deserves to be passed. Andrew-996  "Speak To Me""My Work"

- I think this would help Halopedia a little. I hope it works though. Halo and 24 fan

Neutral (3/0 admins)

 * - I feel I should be neutral on this usergroup. On one hand, it brings together and strengthens the community, as well as giving other users ideas and influences to their own forge work. However, on the other hand, this usergroup is more fan-based, meaning that little of the group is dedicated to improving Halopedia's articles, such as the Coh. If users were made to make edits to Forge-related articles, as well as edits to equipment, scenery, weaponry, and the such, I feel I might change my disposition to support.[[Image:1206326695 Halo2emblem funny.JPG|14px]] Rookie162  "Holla!""commitment level" 02:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * - It is a good idea but Love Muffins link seems like the proper place for this so I remain neutral. Spec-Opp Spartan 04:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * - I have the same opinions as Simon rjh, but with a little bit of what forgottenlord said. Sure it's cool, but what's the purpose?  Pryo 'Zarkum  [[Image:Major-gr2.gif|19px]] My COMMy WorkMy Story 12:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Changing opinion


 * As per Rookie 162. -Stigma-231 Just keep on trying  'til you run out of  Cake
 * Changing my opinion. -Stigma


 * I like the idea, but shouldn't this be on Halo Fannon? You could advertise here and post stuff thier, because as far a I can tell, they are pretty loose over at fannon. Notanoob

Oppose (16/1 admin)

 * Usergroups, as currently defined, are for the sake of focusing editing on Halopedia rather than as social groups. This is a social group to focus on the usage of Halo 3 and while it is an excellent thing for a fansite, Halopedia is meant for Encyclopedic purposes rather than being a fansite.  Furthermore, even if this group were to become about editing, there is very limited NPOV material you could write regarding the Forge that would fulfill the purposes of this group.  Similarly, the ranking structure is about how you contribute to the Halo community with map development and revolves around such development, not editing at any level.
 * That said, there are several sub-communities that have, for all intents and purposes, formed without needing a full rank system in place. I believe that Social groups should be kept along these lines and while I wouldn't be opposed to them being advertised on our forums and, possibly, blogs, I don't believe that they should be hosted here.  I would suggest doing something like registering a forum with a site like Invisionfree to do the hosting you require for such a community and could even build your ranking system on there.  --forgottenlord 03:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Basically took the words outta my mouth.  Church <font color="Red">Re <font color="Black">born 03:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

(UTC)
 * That's completely stupid and ridiculous idea of such a group. What's the purpose of creating a group just to raise people's interest in making maps? And also, it's basically a socializing group with no real need. Thus, prior to your knowledge to Halopedia usergroups make me think this is a completely senseless request. <font color="Silver">Master <font color="DarkGray">Chief <font color="Gray">Petty <font color="DimGray">Officer <font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution 10:15, 5 June 2008


 * I have to agree with Forgottenlord. -- The   Adm  iral  [[Image:1212237429_Rearadmiralinsignia.jpg|25px]] 16:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh. No. Per what the others have said, especially Forgottenlord. (Note: My sig is a violation of the sig policy and, until I sort it out, I will sign the old fashioned way.) Darth tom


 * I'd honestly only support this if this was used only to verify articles, such as the damage of each weapon, and perhaps further mechanics of fall speed and whatnot, but at its current state, this is getting an oppose from me. -- Kwarshinator - (contact) - (contribs) - (edit count)  23:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * --[[Image:GRAW skull.jpg|20px]]  Blemo [[Image:Progress Wheel.gif]] <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="#A9A9A9">CONTRIBUTIONS • <font color="#A9A9A9">EMAIL • <font color="#A9A9A9"><span style="font-weight: light;" title="Idiot. (Noun) -- Anyone that is dumb enough to stare at a pointless message on someone's signature for no apparent reason.">MESSAGE 23:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, there is absolutely no point in having a usergroup dedicated to Forging.Bllasae 00:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The focus of a Usergroup is to edit articles and benefit halopedia. It is not to just have fun and do whatever.-<font color="#78866B">The <font color="#704214">good <font color="#2F4F4F">one  17:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Thegoodone. 6th june, 18:14 User:Jaws Redfield


 * I don't see how it relates to the purpose of Halopedia. It serves no constructive purpose to Halopedia. Honestly, I can't see any good coming out of it. It seems like something that only social negativity would come out of it. It could also create a social split in Halopedia, between those who know what's going on in the group, and those who don't. And, as forgottenlord said, there is very little constructive potential in this usergroup. I would rather see this on a site hosted somewhere else, not here. It has no place here. Pryo 'Zarkum  [[Image:Major-gr2.gif|19px]] My COMMy WorkMy Story 17:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It just doesn't seem like a good idea in general. Ghost sangheili covered it well, as well as Forgottenlord.  - Stigma-231 [[Image:1212710816 Halo3emblem.jpg|16px]]→ center of the sun ←[ <font color="BurlyWood">Talk ][ <font color="BurlyWood">Work ] 20:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * As a Usergroup leader myself I find it hard to believe that we need yet another usergroup. We already have enough needed to cover all the opinions/desires stated by the overall Halopedia community, this new usergroup doesnt focus on a particular faction and the ranking system looks like it will be a challenge to fix and regulate as a whole. <font color="MidnightBlue">Councilor Εw C 'Dnaudee <font color="Purple">Battle Net<font color="Green"> My Editcount 22:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * We have one or two articles having anything to do with Forge. mabie some maps but it should not be usergrouped, I DISAGREE. --þ†öWè®¥ ^ (UNSC Fleetcom)(UNSC History)(UNSC Mision Log) 04:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but I have extreme objections against this. This is moreorless an Xbox Live fan club--how do you promote people based on number of forged maps? I could easily change one spawn to a map and claim it's a newly-Forged map while someone could work diligently for hours to create a completely different map, and we'd be the same rank in the eyes of this new usergroup because we've both made one "Forged" map. Furthermore, there really isn't a need for a Forge article improvement group--there's so little content, and the Multiplayers group could easily cover this. This seems more like a social club, which is nice, but it *doesn't* belong on Halopedia. My apologies. Regards,  RelentlessRecusant  (Bureaucrat) (Talk) (Contribs) 17:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have to go with everyone else on this one, sorry.

Questions
So when is this closed? Because, as of now, it would require 80 votes of support to get the necessary 4:1 ratio. Pryo 'Zarkum  My COMMy WorkMy Story 17:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

 * Perhaps this should be more of a committee, creating and approving maps for use by Halopedians? It sounds great, and I definitely look forward to seeing some of the creations from people. Perhaps even a "Forge Map of the Month" for the usergroup?

I am already unsure about the whole rank part, as I think it should just be "A group". <font color="#D3D3D3">Wra <font color="#A9A9A9">ithA <font color="#808080">scen <font color="#000000">dant  TacComm   Classified Operations  01:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I am curious as to what is meant by edits. Are the edits that count the plain old main namespace edits? Or are they Forge-only edits, that is, edits made to Forge-related articles on Halopedia? Rookie162 "Holla!""commitment level" 02:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hold on, Has anyone been here?, It's a page where Forge creations can be posted! Use it!  <font color="RoyalBlue">Lovemuffin <font color="DarkSlateGray">Wiki Userpage<font color="DimGray">Talk Page<font color="Navy">Edit CountContributions[[Image:Dancing_master_chief.gif|35px]] 02:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, I am having second toughts about the ranks, and as a group, I thought this would be a good Idea since Warz seems no longer operation, and I see your point about editing. If it takes away from the main goal, I guess it is a bust, but I don't see why this is a bad idea. <font color="#D3D3D3">Wra <font color="#A9A9A9">ithA <font color="#808080">scen <font color="#000000">dant  TacComm   Classified Operations  06:11, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

WraithAscendant is right rank shoulnt be there only the creators should have a rank no1 else it would make it too competitive and forge shouldnt be competitive it should be fun. user:Archguardian 21:38, 5 June 2008 (GMT)

SpecOps306: I agree that Halopedia is a community and that we should foster such a community, but the reality is that Usergroups should be for the sake of editing, not socializing. Hell, I wouldn't be nearly as opposed if you guys pushed through a different group type called "HaloGroup" or something and then made Forge Team a HaloGroup, but I think the idea for Usergroups should be maintained the way their original intent was: for the sake of encouraging editing on the wiki.

I suspect this fight isn't much different than the fight over Fanon and that resulted in the decision to move the Fanon people out of Halopedia and found HaloFanon for that stuff. You could argue that they also are a foundation of a strong community, but I think that having them closely associated with us while making the "Halo fansite" stuff a sister-community rather than part of Halopedia is a better approach. --forgottenlord 03:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

New idea
Um, thanks MasterChiefPettyOfficer? Anyways, I already see many of you are concerened about this taking away from Halopedia, why not come with some Ideas? All I hoped for this would be to maybe replace Warz since it is no longer running(if it is I am sorry) and have no intentions of sapping Halopedia.

Some thing I thought of is that while this might (if it makes it) be a group, we could reduce the issue of people staying on Halo and making maps all the time by making this a weekly or even monthly event. Everyone submits their best maps and like a Forge Map of the Month thing just like someone said. As per Halopedia wise, maybe the group could look after Forge-related topics, etc. I, in my owmn heart now dispise our own ranking system as I see it woiuld cause conflict(not to mention edit whores for this group) and think it will just be a group. I just think it would be neat to see a Forge related group, and no offense Lovemuffin, but that page looks like it has not been used in months. <font color="#D3D3D3">Wra <font color="#A9A9A9">ithA <font color="#808080">scen <font color="#000000">dant  TacComm   Classified Operations  14:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)