Talk:First Battle of Earth

This is the Halo 2 announcement trailer. BIUHd-kejAs This is the Halo 2 Cutscene, Return to Sender which uses alot of the same footage as the Halo 2 announcement trailer. uMtC6zLNff4

picture
The picture of the mater chief attacking two covenant cruisers never happened. That picture should be of the chief attacking the carrier.


 * Actually, the picture is of Master Chief Petty Officer John SPARTAN-117 falling to Earth from the announcement trailer, and not actually in the game. You can veiw this trailer to the right, and you will note that the image is taken from the 2:03 time frame.--Rotaretilbo 15:27 06 December 2006


 * Yeah but thats no longer considered canon, instead he jumped down with a bomb.--JohnSpartan117 04:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but didn't he jump down with the bomb during the "First Battle for Earth?" -- Yamanba 04:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking at the footage you can see that MasterCheif indeed did not jump out like that in Halo 2 but in fact jumped in a similiar fashion but with a Anti-Matter Bomb -- Esemono 08:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Why can't someone just get a good screenshot from the Halo 2 Cutscene, Return to Sender. Which does show Halo 2 events? -- Esemono 08:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Nassaeu Station
Why does it say nasseau station? thats in DOA4 not halo. and besides its in the present day. and what artifact the the elites get from onyx?? User:Spartan 1138
 * Removed since it is still stuck in the present day. However it could in the DOA4 storyline by some incident be sent back to the time before the Battle of Earth-- Esemono 08:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Forerunner speculation
The following is pure speculation.

Cortana states during gameplay that the Covenant didn't expect any human presence on Earth. It is widely speculated that the Prophet of Regret simply considered Earth another Human colony, and not the Earth homeworld. However, another possibility exists. Considering that Onyx contained an artifact of almost certain Forerunner origin, and that the Covenant definitely encountered this artifact; that, after their encounters with Forerunner technology on Installation 04 they are likely much more capable of understanding Forerunner information; and that Cortana was able to deduce the location of Installation 04 from a Forerunner artifact without extensive contact with Forerunner technology; it is likely that Covenant species, armed with their new ability to decode the not overly complex language of the Forerunner, deciphered the information stored in Onyx's artifact to reveal the location of the Ark. The Prophet of Regret then rushed in to secure the Ark, without realizing that it was in fact the Human homeworld.

Not possible the attack on Onyx took place after the events of Halo 2.

There is another possibility however; during the events of the Fall of Reach, a forerunner object was found by John-117, holding star coordinates, these were the coordinations of Earth. And the massive fleet gathering with Unyelding Hierophant were to travel to several locations including Earth. it is possible that they were in fact a fleet designed to loot several Forerunner reliquaries. And after the fleet was destroyed during Operation First Strike, regret gathered a smaller fleet to secure the portal to the Ark, not expecting it to be occupated by humans, as Cortana states: "The fleet that destroyed Reach was 50 times this size", and Reach was about the size of Mars, significantly smaller than Earth. This is evident that the first battle of Earth simply was a coincidence; a Covenant fleet tasked with securing the portal to the Ark, until Truth could arrive with the Forerunner Dreadnaught; the Keyship.Warhead xTEAMx 22:04, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

This is further implied by the fact that the earlier forms of Scarabs; the one futured in Halo 2, were in fact mining vehicles, and the Portal was barried, so this another evidenceWarhead xTEAMx 22:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Covenant Fleet
Just made a quick update about Covenant losses. Given standard Covenant fleet doctrine is to fight until victory or death, and Johnson's comment, (Blew up our raggedy ass fleet) it seems unlikely that any Covenant ships did in fact retreat.

The information in the text and the information in the infobox regarding the Covenant Fleet is conflicting. The text says there were 5 assault carriers, while the infobox says 2. The text says that the 13 cruisers are CSS class, while the infobox says they're CAR class. Does anyone know what the right information is?

~ ChickenmanThey look like CCS, and I don't even know where CAR class cruisers are mentioned in the books or the games, so I dunno... clarification, anyone? g u e s t y- p e r s o n y- t h i n g yI too am an AI... my owner's name is Supreme Honcho. 00:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Causilties
Where are we getting the numbers for these?- User: Spartan 1138

That's right, where are these informations from ? I didn't read Ghosts of Onyx cause I'm not english, I can't read a whole book in english, so I thought it was from there. So please someone who have read GoO : does the book talk about the casualities of the battle ?

Can anyone help ? We can't accept wrong informations like that, if it is wrong. 82.64.176.177 14:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't really remember the humans losing a whole cruiser anywheres. They may have lost a couple frigates and destroyers but there aren't any real numbers. The Covenant Fleet was owned pretty badly almost right off the bat.

I've just got to wonder. Comparing Reach and Earth's battles. The covenant force that attacked Reach was 50 times the size of the one attacking Earth. Reach had 20 Super MACs, Earth had 300 "Orbital Defense Platforms" (Super MACs?). Reach's defenders held off the Covenant for two hours, whereas Earth's defenders couldn't stop all of the ships from reaching the planet. Was this poor planning on Humanity's part, a lack of zeal to defend Earth, the Covenant rushing in without defeating the defenses first (Though if a Super MAC round could "Shatter a Covenant capital ship with one shot" then the 300 defending Earth should've been able to handle 20 ships.), or something else? Why didn't Earth's defenses (or atleast the ones that were on the correct side of the planet to fire) defeat the Covenant before they even made it to New Mombosa?

71.2.173.248 02:59, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, the reason for the time difference between Reach and Earth probably comes from a difference in tactics. In the first battle of reach, the Covenant engaged the UNSC navy in orbit while trying to knock-out the generators on the surface, as a means to achieve a total strategic victory (destruction of all UNSC forces on Reach). For this purpose, the Covenant first engaged the UNSC navy in space while launching a parallel attack on specific ground targets.

However, the fleet involved in the First Battle of Earth realized that they lacked the military power to destroy the UNSC home fleet, but did have enough power to punch a hole in their defenses and land some troops on a specific part of Earth (which they did).

Clean up
I've spent some time cleaning the page up a bit. Making it clearer, trying to lose some of those bits that explain the same thing three times in one paragraph ;-) --A Monument to All Your Sins 17:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Battles...
I'm not shure there should be both a First and Second battle of earth... i mean not all of Regrets fleet went to Installation 05. They were still fighting the same ships in the same place. Just cos several weeks went by doesn't mean that it's a new battle... somee battles can last months.Forerunner 04:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

How the Covenant found Earth...
It is well known in Compoundintelligence that the descruction of the ONI discovered Forerunner artifact on Earth by the protagonists of the ILoveBees campaigns's plot caused a pulse of energy or messege in superluminal space to be sent, which acted as a beacon for the Covenant. This 'beacon' did not betray the nature of Earth or any information on Earth, to the Covenant it only seemed to be a signal of a place where there was great Forerunner treasures to be gained.

As ILoveBees was confirmed canon to the overall Halo universe storyline, this is canon. - edit by user High Prophet


 * ILB's relation to Bungie canon is a weird thing. Generally, I think it should be considered canon until elsewhere contradicted. Bungie said originally that ILB was entirely non-canon, but later decided to "embrace as canon" certain aspects of it. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 09:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

First and Second Battle of Earth
So. Where does the line go between these two? There's a lot of contradicting content in here about what is the first and the second battle, so we should decide once and for all what is the very point that separates them.

One can't simply say the First battle ended when Regret's Carrier retreated from New Mombasa. Numerous sources state that the battle was indeed going on all the time during John's absence. The battles are not just about the Chief.

With content seen in Halo 3: ODST, it has become apparent that a Brute-led invasion force arrived at Earth as early as October 20, in the hours after Regret's retreat. As seen in Ghosts of Onyx, this occupation was indeed worldwide.

What I think is, the Second Battle of Earth started when the Prophet of Truth's fleet led by his Dreadnought arrived at Sol in November 8th. Some people seem to count the battles before this to the Second Battle of Earth, but where does the line go?

Discuss.--Jugus 17:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)