Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/Council/Archive/5th term

Inter-Company Competition (Closed)
We also have to decide the winner of the fourth term inter-company competition.

Aegis Company
FL really wiped them into shape I think.--Running  Riot  R  y  a  n  07:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

It may be unfair to vote for a company I contributed so extensively to, but I really do feel like Aegis did much better this term than the other companies. General simon rj  h  20:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Forgottenlord did a great job with commanding Aegis company, and it's members did some awesome contributions for the UNSCoH and Halopedia. Aegis has my vote. General  Tony  Talk 10/23/2007

He done a great job ÇЋЇŒʢ ʕЛΆΝќAegis Company  βĻά βĻά βĻάɰЊάł Ḷ ḍõИШ  16:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Council members (aka: Generals) only --forgottenlord 16:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments
I think Aegis did the best, but seeing as I was CO and I really don't think I should be voting for my own company, I'm abstaining --forgottenlord 17:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

There are three other companies you know, you don't have to vote for the best out of the four of them, just the three others.--Running  Riot  R  y  a  n  20:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

New Company COs (Finished)
Currently, Aegis has Forgottenlord and Simon rjh, Blackrock has Relentless, Chimera has no generals, and Dingo has CommanderTony. I propose one general should move to C company, and we have one general who is not in any company, similar to the general/colonels system from last term. General simon rj  h  10:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments
What about the 5th General which seems to be me or Simon?--Running  Riot  R  y  a  n  10:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be me or Ryan, but I'll volunteer if no-one else does. General simon rj  h  10:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Alternate option is to split into 5 companies, but that sounds painful. Honestly, having a spare who's main responsibility is keeping the combined section of UoH up-to-date is not a bad thing - plus then he can fill in if someone else disappears for a few weeks. --forgottenlord 15:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I dislike the idea of a fifth company, I agree with FL that there should be a "spare" general. We need volunteers to be commander of each company, and we need a volunteer to be the fifth general. (Unless anyone has a better idea for dealing with 4 companies and 5 commanders) General simon  rj  h  18:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

So the fifth man would just do everything any other General would except not be a leader of a company and even then he could still promote people and what not?--Running  Riot  R  y  a  n  18:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind being that 5th guy who isn't assigned to a company, and maybe I could handle promotions or something like that. If anyone objects to that, that's alright too. I'm just kind of tired of companies right now. General  Tony  Talk 10/24/2007

Well if CT wouldnt mind it then, I'll take D.--General  Running  Riot  R  y  a  n  10:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

By agreement of Ryan, Simon and myself, RR keeps Blackrock and Simon takes Chimera to finish off this decision. Next! --forgottenlord 21:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

New Company Commanders

 * Aegis: General forgottenlord
 * Blackrock:General Relentless
 * Chimaera:General Simon
 * Dingo:General Ryanngreenday
 * Not affiliated:General Tony

Halopedia:UNSC_of_Halopedia/Header
I updated the header to add in the council thing. As you can see on the template, I also put in the companies thing, but I left it in a zone to get your opinion on it (and, possibly, tweaking it slightly). Thoughts? --forgottenlord 16:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks good, great job.--Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  18:38, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Service Medals (Passed, still work to be done)
Aside from the fact that we need someone to go through the Service Medals and make appropriate updates (I'll find a lackey for that later), should we make a new medal recognizing significant contribution to the smooth running of the UoH? I ask because I know that a few people have been promoted for doing just that and I can certainly name one person who's done an amazing job with that. --forgottenlord 16:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, i believe that AJ, ED, FL, RR, and myself should get it, if it is made that is.--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  21:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Um... me? No... I don't do anything.<font color="Red">Don't Mess With The Sarge  [[Image:Marine Corp 1stSgt.jpg|25px]]<font color="Gold">My Comm Line <font color="Red">Where I've Fought 01:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Support
Sounds like a good idea for a medal. General  Tony  Talk 10/27/2007

A good idea; I've been wondering why something like that wasn't around. Until next time, respect them Grunts. This is M  ø  u  s  e, squeaking out! 15:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC) Only generals may vote!--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  16:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Per what I and others have said above.--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  16:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Per above --forgottenlord 18:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

What everyone else said. General  Tony  Talk 10/31/2007

Things to do

 * 1) Create a medal

Comments

 * Do you want me to create the medal? I have the codings and all that. As for handingout medals, all of Aegis Company needs the outstanding unit medal, but thats about it. If you can get someone to award and catalog all of those, then you're fine. -- E D [[Image:ArmyROTC.gif|15px]] 20:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I handed out the medals with Mouse among men... <font color="Red">Don't Mess With The Sarge  [[Image:Marine Corp 1stSgt.jpg|25px]]<font color="Gold">My Comm Line <font color="Red">Where I've Fought 02:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Did I receive one for my contributions to A Company? General  s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 17:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes you did <font color="Red">Don't Mess With The Sarge  [[Image:Marine Corp 1stSgt.jpg|25px]]<font color="Gold">My Comm Line <font color="Red">Where I've Fought 01:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, missed this comment for a week. Yes, please do make the medal because I doubt it'll get done otherwise.  Thanks --forgottenlord 22:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

UNSCoH Committees (Defeated)
To help the members of this Council with other things, I propose we establish committees for different areas concerning the UNSCoH. Those such things could be:


 * Promotion Committee: Would consult with other members of this committee about the promotion or demotion of current members. But Council Members will be the ultimate decision makers for promotions to and over Lieutenant.
 * Community Committee: Would organize events for members of the UNSCoH and help maintain cooperation.
 * Article Committee: Would go out and find articles that need improvement, maintenance, sources, cleanup, or extensions.

As for who would lead these Committees, we should have Colonels and Commanders be the Head Committee members, with only members that are officers (Lieutenant to Major) being regular members. And if need be, more Committees can be established over time.

Rawr,

General  Tony  Talk 10/27/2007

Support
As per my statement above. General  Tony  Talk 10/27/2007

Opposition
No offense, Tony, but often I find that specializing things doesn't work. I believe the leadership is more than capable of performing all these tasks, and specialization for the sake of organization in the clause of the largeness of the UNSCoH may not be advantageous, and may be in fact detrimental, seeing that it implies a general can perform only one of the three functions. Nice idea, though. Regards, RelentlessRecusant  'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE 15:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed.--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  16:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Committees are great if you've got a body too big that it needs too many managers to manage. We don't have that. This is still a fairly small group, we should be more than able to manage what we have already. If you need help (and who doesn't at times), grab someone to help you. --forgottenlord 18:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Remaining Work for new Rank System

 * 1) Put userboxes in a table.  See the Sandbox for what I'm thinking right now
 * 2) Get images for Colonel Grades 3 and 4 (if no one can find ones with blank backgrounds online, I'll make them myself when I get a chance)
 * 3) Redo current userboxes so they forward users to our new userboxes (that is - UoH Private --> UoH Private (Grade 1) )
 * 4) Redo the memberlist page
 * 5) Announce the decision.

For whoever (General or otherwise) gets to it first. --forgottenlord 13:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Got the userboxes, but I need images for Colonel Grades 3 and 4... maybe we could use the brigadier images? <font color="Red">Don't Mess With The Sarge  <font color="Gold">My Comm Line <font color="Red">Where I've Fought 01:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I will redo the member list page if someone tells me how the ranks will be converted from old to new system. General s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 18:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I would like to know how they would be converted... <font color="Red">Don't Mess With The Sarge  [[Image:Marine Corp 1stSgt.jpg|25px]]<font color="Gold">My Comm Line <font color="Red">My Wars 00:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Here's my first draft of the list. I've spotted a minor problem - on RR's image, there is the commander rank. There is no commander rank in the UoH, so do we need to delete this rank and change the number of edits required for grades, or add a commander rank to the UoH? General s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 16:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Commander-gr1.gif]] <- it's uploaded onto the wiki. --forgottenlord 17:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * After some clarification of the question: we are adding the rank to the UoH... --forgottenlord 17:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Also - I don't think we should be putting the edit counts on the page. As much as it might make our lives easier, those numbers change daily for many members and thus it would always need updating - which takes a lot of time.  --forgottenlord 17:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If you read the note at the top, I explain that the edit counts are placeholders until I add the grades. They're for my benefit, not the UoH's. General  s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 18:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Almost done.... --forgottenlord 03:27, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Put the new ranking system announcement on the main UNSCoH page. -- <font color="Black">A <font color="Black">J [[Image:ArmyJROTC.jpg|20px]] 17:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

UoH Colonels (Defeated)
After the Fifth term elections, all of the Colonels of the UoH were appointed as Generals. Now with no Colonels in charge of the Companies, us Generals are the Commanding Officers.

That's why I propose to promote these members to Colonel, regardless of the new ranking system:


 * 1) Dragonclaws, Administrator of Halopedia
 * 2) ED, Administrator of Halopedia
 * 3) Guesty-Persony-Thingy, Administrator of Halopedia
 * 4) Ajax 013
 * 5) Manticore, Administrator of Halopedia

Rawr,

General  Tony  Talk 11/02/2007

Support
As per my statement above. General  Tony  Talk 11/02/2007

But make them Commanders, not Colonels. General s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 15:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
Meh.--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  21:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

First, we have a new Commander Rank that's going to be empty. Second, there seems to be a hint that you want to put these people in charge of companies - something I disagree with on so many levels. Third, with the Commander rank coming into existence and will likewise be empty, jumping these people up two ranks just because of what they've done and what they might've earned is insane. Fourth, Ryan is dead on --forgottenlord 02:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

- Strongest possible opposition. It is completely unnecessary to raise the 5 best non-General users to high ranks, and if they naturally should be Captains or Lieutenants, let it stay that way until they're worthy enough to attain that rank. I hate quotas, especially for these matters. Thus, I believe this is concluded? Regards, RelentlessRecusant  'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE 04:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Uh... isn't Colonel an earned rank? <font color="Red">Don't Mess With The Sarge  <font color="Gold">My Comm Line <font color="Red">My Wars 21:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, these members have already earned the rank. [[Image:Halopedia - Anti-Vandal Assault Corps Logo 01.PNG|25px]] General  Tony  Talk 11/02/2007

We also have an empty Commander rank. (Commander is between Major and Colonel) General  s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 11:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I do not agree with this, yes the aforementioned members have done great work, although we can not simply dismiss that most of those people are admins and a lot of their main space edits may not be edits we give promo's for. I believe that waiting for the new rank system to be fully up and running for awhile to find any problems it might bring before we start promoting people to the highest earnable rank our group has to offer is the best course of action we can take at this time. And if my fellow General Simon is suggesting we simply give away the new rank of commander because no member has said rank, I must fully disagree.--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n [[Image:'s_emblem.jpg|15px]] 16:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to Abolish Company System (Passed)
I'm predicting that this will be very unpopular, but I dislike the company system. I want to merge all the companies into one, like they used to be, so as to combine the strengths of all our members (and generals). I dislike communicating about UNSC articles with only the members of my company, I would prefer to speak to all the active UoH members. We can still keep all the ranks, and possibly merge all the improvement drives together. General s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 16:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Support
- Weak support. After my term as general during the summer, the initiative of companies has died down, and I believe is making things unnecessarily complicated. It also detracts from the UNSCOH-based unity system, and I would like regular Article of Improvements again being worked on at the main UNSCOH page. Regards, RelentlessRecusant  'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">MESSAGE 03:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

As per my proposal. General s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 15:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

All it did was attract attention for the first term, but now it seems as though everything has died down. Plus it got to the point where company leaders were just being lazy and careless, IMO.  Ha <font color="Red">lo <font color="Black">Du <font color="Red">de 19:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Only Generals can vote. <font color="Black">A <font color="Black">J [[Image:ArmyJROTC.jpg|20px]] 19:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

With the secondary improvement list passed, we can happily euthanize this less than successful and time-intensive venture --forgottenlord 23:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
If it wasn't for the companies I doubt that the UoH would be as active as it has been and we've come this far why go back now, with all the stuff happening I think it would cause some unneeded confusion.--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  20:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

As per Ryan's statement. General  Tony  Talk 11/08/2007

Comments
Advantages of demolishing:
 * Universal pool of talent
 * People who have done the most on IA's are, really, the guys leading the companies anyways (I'm looking at you, CT)

Disadvantages of demolishing:
 * I've made out like a banshee from the company system
 * I REALLY like the fact that between the 4 companies, we have somewhere in the range of 25 different active IA's
 * Minor pages that would've never become IA's before have been on various company's IA lists
 * Users enjoy identifying with their companies

If we are going to demolish the companies, I'd really like a solution to the IA points. Perhaps this could be done in the form of a primary Improvement Article in the format we've always had and lots of secondary Improvement Articles for much more minor pages that, instead of being voted upon, are just ones that various members can add to as they run across them and maintained by the Generals. --forgottenlord 17:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with all your points (especially the 1st disadvantage >.>) and I admit that the company system was responsible for my rise through the ranks. I like the idea of a elected, major IA and a list of minor ones. General  s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 17:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

We already have an elected "major IA" which is very easy to find.--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  20:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would happen to be why I said "in the format we've always had" --forgottenlord 22:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

My comment was directed more towards Simon, who with this remark "I like the idea of a elected, major IA and a list of minor ones." made it seem like he did not know about it.--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  22:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Erm...I know about the current IA. I'm saying that FL's idea of a second IA (one for minor articles) is a good idea. General s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 22:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

He mentioned me! But in all seriousness, I think keeping the Companies is a good thing. General  Tony  Talk 11/05/2007

The costs of demolishing the Company System outweigh the pros. And with that, how are users going to get promoted? -- <font color="Black">A <font color="Black">J  23:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * They ask the Generals....only it's not just their company commander now--forgottenlord 23:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Secondary Improvement Article list (Passed)
The major advantage the company system has provided, IMO, is the minor-Improvement Articles. Instead of moderate-large scale articles being the only articles edited, Aegis and Dingo have had many tiny-small articles along with larger ones up for editing as their improvement drives. This resulted in a lot of cooperative edits on these smaller articles (whereas normally it would just be the guy who found the article who may or may not have access to all the source material). As I said above, if we are dissolving the companies, I believe we should have a secondary Improvement Article list that is for minor articles that need to be improved that shouldn't require the attention of the UoH as the whole. Note: this is ONLY if we go ahead with the dissolution of the companies --forgottenlord 05:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Support
As per my comments above. General s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 16:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

--forgottenlord 23:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  23:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Retired Generals
This is a similar proposal to CT's UoH Colonels. I propose that ex-UoH Generals should be made Commanders, not Majors. Commander is the highest non-elected rank (like Major was before the new rank system). It will separate out the users who are majors but haven't been generals from those who have. Plus, Comander is a suitable title for an ex-general. General s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 18:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Support
-- General  s'i'm'o'n  r  j  h 18:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
I'd share with all you how I think things should happen, but I have no energy left in me to give an explanation or a rant, I will later though.--<font color="DarkOrange">General  <font color="DarkOrange">Running  <font color="DarkOrange">Riot  R  y  a  n  00:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Considering that I was sympathetic to Ryan's calls for the ex-leaders to be retired to Captains or lower, and considering the CoH has *3* ranks above where their former council members are retired to, I'm against this idea. After all, one's contributions don't stop when one retires from Generalship. --forgottenlord 23:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Past Articles for Improvement
I'm removing Archer Missile and 50mm point defense guns from the list of Nominated Articles on the Article for Improvement page. This is because they have a lot more "Against" votes than "For", and I think the page needs cleaning. If you think they should stay for whatever reason, revert the edit. General si'mo'n  r  j  h 20:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)