Forum:A discussion regarding Halopedia Civility

Dear all,

I have found offense at one of the userboxes on Gravemind's userpage, specifically the one that says "This user has beaten your mom on the Legendary difficulty." My intended purpose for creating that userbox's coding was to allow users to parade their Halo aptitude, not to offend. However, I have taken serious offense to this, and I know that Ares.117 has also found problems with this while Esemono believes it is perfectly acceptable to the best of my knowledge.

I have been advised to start this forum and ask for your opinions. Please write below your comments. Thanks! =D Cheers, Gho st I nsi de the M ach ine ''(Whisper through the Storm ) (My Journeys ) (Omens ) 03:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This thread is a great idea, to discuss Halopedia issues here instead of running off and complaining is a very mature thing to do. Props. -- Esemono 04:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I can understand the "your momma jokes", but what i can't accept is the remarks he made about RR, on RR's talk page! You don't curse people out on their talk pages, i've also read some of the other things he's posted, he's crud at best. --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 04:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So this isn't about the Userbox then? This is about Gravemind's conduct towards RR? -- Esemono 07:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. How is defeating your Mom on legendary offensive? -- Yamanba 11:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It has a second meaning. A crude second meaning. :--Kwarsh [[image:Gruntiness.jpeg|35px]][ Talk to me! ] - [ Stuff I've done! ] 18:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear all,

I would just like to clarify matters for Esemono and Yamanba (I haven't see you in a long time. Welcome back. =D). Alrightie.


 * I'm not on a vendetta here to "get" anyone.
 * Esemono has implied me as "immature" for seeking the advice of Wikia administration. I have informed him that I do not like being called immature, and also that this is merely the way that the U.S. justice system works. If you do not agree with the opinion of a lower judge, you can appeal to a higher one.
 * The U.S. justice system works where when a lower judge makes a judgement THEN you go to the next level. We barely even talked about the userbox, you didn't start this forum, and we didn't discuss it with the other admins.  You going to Wikia admins before even talking about it is ... well frankly its like running off to your Mommy -- Esemono 00:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * While I find Gravemind's talk page remarks highly insulting, that's a completely different matter and was several days ago. However, I put forth a motion to have some amendments to HP:CIVIL. I have been advised by the administration to ask for a general opinion if such vulgar comments regarding me being a "mofo" and to "suck monkey balls" is appropriate or not. If there is a consensus that those talk page posts were inappropriate, then the administration has said that should be specifically written out in HP:CIVIL.
 * This is what it comes down to, frankly you and Gravemind have been having a little tiff and so you decided to take action to "get back at him" I stepped in and now I'm the target of your vendetta. You and Gravemind need to sort this out like grown adults.-- Esemono 00:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Esemono, frankly, I'm not sure if your comment is entirely important. It goes like this. The word that begins with "n" used to denote African-Americans is, from what I've seen, either acceptable or actually hilarious to some Caucasians, yet gravely offending to some African-Americans. However, society respects the African-Americans, even though there are less of them than Caucasians. Even though there are less people offended than those who take pleasure from using that word, the word is by common ettiquette unacceptable! But for a sake of a few, it is not mentioned. Therefore, if some people do not take it as a joke and take offense, it should be removed.
 * I can't believe you're trying to equate an innocent Userbox to a racial slander. I'm waiting with baited breath for the classic Nazi reference next -- Esemono 00:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I take serious offense to "yo mama" jokes in real-life, and I say this with utter candor. My friends, Spartan 387 and Thepie, can attest to this. I'll even call 'em up and ask them to attest about this. Therefore, online, I seek the advice of my superiors regarding this matter. When I have found nothing favorable in an administrator that I believe holds some animosity to me, I naturally appeal to higher authority - Wikia administration.
 * I know you like to imagine that I'm "out to get you" but even if that was the case there are two other admins and this forum where you could have voiced your concerns before running off and crying to Angela -- Esemono 00:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, Gho st I nsi de the M ach ine <font color="#808080">''(<font color="#808080">Whisper through the Storm ) (<font color="#808080">My Journeys ) (<font color="#808080">Omens ) 13:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I would like to make a quote. "Halopedia must have a positive atmosphere so that users can contribute and cooperate in a way that is constructive. Harassment and personal attacks not only drive away potential users, but also damage the Halopedia by making it a less people-friendly place" - Harassement and Personal Attacks section of the blocking Policy page. Call me crazy but saying I have beaten your mom on legendary doesn't really contribute to a positive atmosphere Ares.117 19:51, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I personally think RR's overreacting a little, and he could just ignore it, but I also think that you guys are overreacting in response to his overreaction, and you're all just being immature. So, in an attempt to resolve this:  guesty - persony - thingy  I too am an AI... my owner's name is Supreme Honcho. 22:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * RR: While this can be taken as offensive (and yes, I see why you would see those as especially offensive), you could have just talked to him rather than starting a topic. Grow up.
 * Everyone else: While RR could have just talked to that one guy rather than the entire community, any one of you could have already pointed that out, but instead you just decided to keep fighting. Grow up.

Userbox is Acceptable

 * 1) It's on his Userpage, nobody elses. Haven't anyone ever told a "your momma" joke?  This isn't Disneyland people.  What are we 13?   Halo is not a kids game.-- Esemono 04:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Yeah It's ok, I go around every day hearing those jokes, and them being said to my face, it's a little rude but thats the purpose of youer mom jokes, rude but funny. I'm right now in between yes and neutral. Darth tader,Talk to the Tader,My work 14:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, people, just let the man have his userbox. This is when Halopedia might slowly stop becoming a "wiki" a site were all members are equal. More and more things imposed on members until it isn't a wiki anymore. If the userbox is removed, I will complain all day and all night to get ALL fan fiction on ALL pages removed. That's how I feel about this. It should only be censored if it is vandalism or it is DIRECTLY assualting another member. Say no to censorship, we aren't Nazis, we can let people put things on their pages, we don't need to be censoring people. -- Black Mercy 02:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) This is a reference to those "yo mamma's so ugly, she looked in the mirror and nearly died of fright" kind of jokes? Personally, I think those are cute and not exactly offensive because they are so juvenile. This userbox seems entirely innocent to me, not disimilar to when people write "right behind you holding a knife" in the location box in forum profiles. "What's green and flies over Germany? Snotzis." is another joke that could be seen as offensive because it trivilizes the most hateful act in history, but is so immature that no one really complains. -- Dragon<font color="FF0000">c laws ( talk ) 21:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) When ever i read it i laugh, And yeah if you cant handle alittle joke then can you really hadle halo with all the killing and minor "curse words". I heard halo 3 will be worth the "M" rating, so you wouldnt be able to handle taht. And yeah so like Esemono said what are we 13? Im almost 15 but still.-- Lieutenant   Colonel   ryan  n  green  day  15:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) I find it to be a tiny speck of humor in my otherwise homework-crammed day. Hehe. <tt> Dude984 </tt> [ Communications ] - [ Contributions ][[Image:Dude avatar copy.gif|25px]] 01:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) It's just a joke, people used to do this all the time at my school in 6th grade. At least try to be as mature as a bunch of 11-year olds. Also, I find it disgusting that you would compare the "N-word", a centuries-old racial slur, to a yo momma joke, which is just that: a joke. Lighten up a bit.   Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 16:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Both sides of the arguments have valid points, but I'm still left wondering why this was brought to the community (may have already been said, and I might be a little too lazy too read) -- TheObviousOne 01:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) It isn't a personal attack, so that goes to acceptable. But mothers can be a powerful figure in one's youth, someone who's always there to help, and saying something bad about them could offend, so that goes to unacceptable. Put them together; neutral.
 * 3) I don't want to get in-between this genosidal conflict. ḤДĻΘfдη 19:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Userbox is Unacceptable

 * 1) I find it unacceptable, this isn't a dis-fight. --KillerCRS 03:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Honestly, i was outraged when i read it, but i remained silent. This is unacceptable, Halopedia isn't a smut site. --Councilor 'Nodotee [[Image:Donut 7.JPG|35px]] [ BattleNet ] - [ Covenant of Halopedia ] 03:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) I can understand the fun in your mom jokes but is it really neccesary to put them where anyone on this site can read it ? I mean, personnaly, if I came onto a site and was looking around and I saw a little box and inside it said 'This user has beaten your mom on Legendary' I would take offense first because someone is insulting me and they don't even know me and second because I don't want to bring my mom into this fude between users --Ares.117 18:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I was under the impression that Halopedia was for sharing knowledge and love of Halo. I didn't realize that it was ok to insult your fellow users. I take great offense to this. - Red Death 4:18 PM 5 March 2007