Halopedia:Requests for Usergroups/Standards Council of Halopedia

Per Halopedia:Requests for Usergroups, this group must have two suitably qualified nominators, at least 20 votes in support, and an 80% consensus to pass. This RfU must remain open a minimum of two weeks, and at most two months.

Elections for our first Senators are open. Check them out here

Proposal
In light of Dragonclaws' recent blog promoting Halopedia's continuing drive to be a high quality Encyclopedia on everything Halo, I bring to you a new usergroup - the Standards Council of Halopedia. The duty of the SCoH is two-fold 1) To establish standards and standardized formats for both articles in general and specific types of articles. These standards are then to be codified in Halopedia's Help and Policy sections so that new users are able to learn and understand the expectations of this community 2) To promote bringing pages throughout Halopedia into compliance with established standards and expectations ranging from existing policies to those accepted by the Standards Council.

As Halopedia is for all to edit and contribute, its standards should be built by the cooperation of all. As per our Usergroup policy, each usergroup is to allow all members of Halopedia to join. This usergroup is not to restrict discussion of the standards from any Halopedian but to give a place where the focus is to develop the standards.

The process for passing new standards and the structure of the group I won't define here. I'd like to suggest we begin the discussions for those matters on the talk page while this page be left for direct discussion of the proposal itself.

--forgottenlord and Notanoob

Admin Approval
As per the RfU regulations, the admin team must approve of the proposal before it is accepted. Admins, please give your approval here.


 * 1) As per Forgottenlord in his statement. [[Image:Obama 4color omark.jpg|35px]] Cadets  for   Obama  YES WE CAN 9/03/2008
 * 2) Seems like a good idea, standards have been slipping. Rec  lai  mer   simon   r  j  h 13:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 3)  Ha lo Du de 01:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Looks good to me. --Dragonc laws (talk ) 01:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) My rather belated support for the SCoH. --  Councillor  Specops306  -  Kora   'Morhek  03:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

For (41/4)
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 * 1) --forgottenlord 17:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) --kougermasters 18:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) --Darth tom (talk) 18:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) --Maybe the name should change though...Ri ck rol ler Gen eral ÌṂρεσάḹόґ MyVictories [[Image:Cavalier_achievement.gif|28px]] 18:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) --Thun ders trea <font color="#1E90FF">m328 19:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) - RaZoRKilleR117 ,  Zurxoz <font color=Crimson>'Warkum [[Image:1208489766 Elites standard 4.jpg|19px]] 20:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) --I agree with this Usergroup, lets do it! Spartansniper450  3 September 2008
 * 8) --''' Halo's Legionair [[Image:Oddball Kill.gif|30px]]  ([[User talk:Spirit-of-HALO|<span style
 * 1) -- Mr. Halonerd [[Image:Ajax-loader.gif|20px]]  My Talk  | My FanFic 23:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) --Good idea! Wish i thought of it.... Generalkits34
 * 3) I agree good idea!-Ntvi &#39;Nivaree (Sub-71)- 00:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) I like it, maybe on every article that is improved to standards can carry a sticker or brand that says "SCoH Approved".  <font color="RoyalBlue">Lovemuffin  =[[Image:Dancing_master_chief.gif|30px]]= <font color="DarkSlateGray">~Wikipage~<font color="DimGray">~Talk~<font color="Navy">~Edit Count~~Contributions~ 00:20, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) good idea, let's hope it's as good in practice as it is in theory.   Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 02:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) -- Church <font color="Red">Re <font color="Black">born 06:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Why not?Odysseas-spartan-53 07:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) I TOTTALLY AGREE!! Sangheili Fleet (comm) 08:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Excellent Idea Sitheris 12:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Brilliant idea bring Halopedia to a whole new level ODST Joshie 15:40,4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) Joshie, check your sig...humongous!!<font color="#0000FF"><tt>Little</tt> <font color="#0000FF"><tt>_</tt> <font color="#0090FF"><tt>Missy</tt> - [[Image:Cortana Gif.gif|24px]] 15:47, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) -- Andrew-996 [[Image:Haloforgheisonvv4.gif|15px]] "Radio Frequency 9.96""Confirmed Kills" 19:27, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) This is what I have been waiting for. My support is unwavering for this cause. Demon Razgriz 933 21:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) I'm the co-submitor, of corse I vote for it. Notanoob
 * 15) This is a good idea as new people don't know what standards the page should be at. The wingless 00:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) Good show, FL and Notanoob! I'm all for it! PumasAreReal 00:48, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) GruntMaster772 Sep 4, 2008 8:28
 * 18) <font color="Green">ĦДĿΘFáЙ [[Image:Legendary.jpg|30px]] <font color="Red">"ДňḌ áиŐТЋéṜ ĜŗŲṆṭ  bίТËṣ тḤє ḌŲšт" 17:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) --General RyanTheGreat 20:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) Blake TalkWork 21:30, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) -This usergroup proposal should have come up long ago. Dark Neptune 02:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) --<font color="Black">Lieutenant <font color="Silver">Commander''' 02:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) --very good, nice thinking! Black Katana 12:25, 6 september 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) Let's do it, oorah!--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 12:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) --Bllasae 16:34, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) I wanna join i wanna join -- PATX  19:35, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 27) --Vehicular Manslaughterer 11:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) --I agree, this is a good idea. Hand  In  Shadows  15:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) --Yeah, I like this idea. Let's do it!-hk37
 * 30) Seems fine to me... It will be great to have this council for all members to join. I approve. Verllan'a, known as EliteGirl
 * 31) As the reclaimer has a request, i have no choice but to agree...*SIGNAL LOST* Gravemind Victim 2401-Penitent-Tangent
 * 32) -- sounds good! samurigrunt
 * 33) - Stigma-231  [[Image:1220981198 Halo2emblemv5.ashx.jpeg|16px]] bury me in honour [ Talk  ] [ Cont  ] 18:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 34) sounds good to me.mcloganator 14:44 12 September 2008
 * 35) -- [[Image:1209131393 WraithAscendant.jpg|40px]] <font color="#D3D3D3">Wra <font color="#A9A9A9">ithA <font color="#808080">scen <font color="#000000">dant  TacComm   Classified Operations  10:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 36) -- I'm in! <font color=#828282>Axxalis September14, 2008
 * 37) -- Ooh Rah!!! MSTR CHEIF September 16, 2008
 * 38) -- Admiral Hess 20:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 39) -- Sgt Eagle 10:45' 16 September 2008
 * 40) -- Agreed. Malthran 11:20, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 41) I know it's closed but this is to be able to vote. Plus because I'm for it. Banana Cat [[Image:1213452567 Cat-facts.jpg|20px]] Message MeEditsStats 17:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Neutral(3/0)

 * 1) Deathlock227 September 3, 2008
 * 2) Is that like sort of like a help desk and instruction manual for a Halopedian? <font color="Silver">Master <font color="DarkGray">Chief <font color="Gray">Petty <font color="DimGray">Officer <font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution 02:26, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, more like the group that builds that "instruction manual". --forgottenlord 13:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Meh...you know me...lol. There's too many usergroups that do a LOT more talking than doing unfortunately. Peace. <font color=Black>Sp <font color=DimGray>art <font color=Gray>an- <font color=DarkGray>Ja <font color=Silver>mes  05:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but we might as well try it out, see what happens --forgottenlord 13:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Against(2/0)

 * 1) What's the point? Meh whatever [[Image:UNSCoH_Dingo_without_letters.PNG|30px]] Major  Spartyti  m  e  Talk  01:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The point is to improve Halopedia's articles by making an organized community devoted to doing so. If you have questions, put them in the Comments section. Oh, and read what the point is before you ask what the point is. Don't try to sabotage an excellent effort. Again, forgottenlord, you have my full support! kougermasters 07:51, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The idea is that while we can have fairly good quality working on our own on the individual pages we deal with, the standard of quality is not uniform across the entire wiki because we all go our own ways. With the article count now sitting at 5000 articles, we need to find a way to standardize what is and isn't good quality and make it clear to all users what that standard is.  Wikipedia has an extensive section on its article of style that goes explicitly over various different standards with the intent being that the many users throughout Wikipedia look at these standards and use them as their guideline for developing articles.  We WANT this standard and have been directed to start developing this standard by Dragonclaws.  To find an appropriate way to develop this standard as a community, we utilize a usergroup so that we have a location to develop this standard and publish it for the entire community to see.  This is not a project that could be undertaken nor should be undertaken by a single or handful of individuals, but a project that's undertaken by, as a bear minimum, the majority of our veteran community --forgottenlord 14:17, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I have to vote against it too. Although organization is a great thing, one moron can ruin it for everyone. I think the articles are fine under the jurisdiction of those who frequently read and edit them already. Idolo 13:46, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is why we use things like majority voting and admin approval to ensure that a single moron or even a handful can't ruin it. As for who should have jurisdiction, see above comment. --forgottenlord 14:17, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments
Standards Council of Halopedia sounds cheesy...<font color="#0000FF"><tt>Little</tt> <font color="#0000FF"><tt>_</tt> <font color="#0090FF"><tt>Missy</tt> -  18:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Does it? Banana Cat [[Image:1213452567 Cat-facts.jpg|20px]] Message MeEditsStats 18:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Subtank, it sounds much better than something like 'Janitors of Halopedia', or 'Cleanup Crew of Halopedia'. If anything I think it fits in well with the Halo naming schemes.  Ha <font color="Red">lo <font color="Black">Du <font color="Red">de 18:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I got it!! The new name should be House of Commons!! Let's just get rid of the tradition and began a revolution!!<font color="#0000FF"><tt>Little</tt> <font color="#0000FF"><tt>_</tt> <font color="#0090FF"><tt>Missy</tt> - [[Image:Cortana Gif.gif|24px]] 19:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Right now, the name is the least important thing regarding this right now, if even an important thing at all...  Church <font color="Red">Re <font color="Black">born 06:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * United Halopeda Standards Council (UHSC)? --<font color="#4D56B1">Dragon<font color="#F28500">c laws (<font color="#4D56B1">talk ) 05:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I think this is a really good idea! - kougermasters 18:40, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Isn't this a bit like the Monitors of Halopedia? And also, is HaloDude officially an Admin anymore? Banana  Message MeEditsStats 20:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)


 * HaloDude's powers have not been stripped and he was the one that personally marked his vote down as an admin vote. Until such a time as this status changes, he is more than welcome to classify himself as an admin.


 * As for MoH, no. I had considered proposing it as an extension of the MoH but decided against it because I figured it might be best if all users are given a chance to work on building our editing standards.  The MoH is an invite only group and thus restricts that ability and, furthermore, this restriction limits the ability to have something like the second point which promotes the actual implementation of these standards.  The MoH will continue to focus on ONLY the highest standard of quality and it is my hope that the MoH, which is composed of some of the most respected members of the community, will work closely with the SCoH in keeping a uniform vision of what is and isn't good quality. --forgottenlord 20:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know... what exactly are we looking for if we established such a usergroup? <font color="Silver">Master <font color="DarkGray">Chief <font color="Gray">Petty <font color="DimGray">Officer <font color="RoyalBlue">Spartan Contribution 11:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I like Lovemuffin's idea of a "SCoH Approved" badge, possibly within the era template or something. Rec  lai  mer   simon   r  j  h 13:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I love the idea of a SCoH Approved badge. Hope we can get an era templet for it.-Notanoob
 * Thank You for your support, as for nice aesthetics, maybe someone with extensive editing skills could design the logo to reside behind the text and be slightly transparent. An issue with the logo is that due to constant edits, the articles may go in and out of the required standards. Thus, the logo must have an accompanying date that it was applied to the article, this will hopefully avoid this problem. -- <font color="RoyalBlue">Lovemuffin  [[Image:Dancing_master_chief.gif|30px]] ••• <font color="DimGray"> Talk undefined <font color="Navy"> Edit Count undefined Contributions undefined 04:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, seriously, SCoH is a great name! This is a very good way to improve Halopedia, and you have my full support! Please contact me, and advise me about any way to help! kougermasters 07:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Some Notes

 * 1) I have decided I don't care anymore about the name. We are staying with Standards Council of Halopedia and if there really is a problem, some Senate in the future can table a motion to get the name changed.  If you really have a problem with it, ask yourself if you're satisfied with having a usergroup named the "United Nations Space Command of Halopedia"....it's just as cheesy.
 * 2) With the vote where it is, I have gone ahead and built the groups' page - it's at Halopedia:Standards Council of Halopedia with a redirect at SCoH. This is, of course, not a finished product but merely at the limits of my "coolness" skills.  If someone wants to go in there and make it more "cool", I more than welcome their attempts.
 * 3) With the vote where it is and assuming we get admin approval to do so, I would like to suggest we have a Senator bi-election starting next week with the vote closing at the same time as this RfU. The term for these Senators will end the same time as the other usergroups (which is, what, 1 month?) but this will allow the group to be running for the short time before we get it realigned with the rest.
 * 4) I need ideas for images for the rank userboxes. Please submit your ideas on the talk page
 * 5) If you have any ideas for standards, I suggest you start drafting.

--forgottenlord 21:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Erm... I'm not sure if this is the right place for this but, what about spelling and grammar? And the polls and quizzes. Someone needs to manage those. And there needs to be more anti-vandal things. --kougermasters 05:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Our purview is articles, only articles, and nothing but articles. Well, maybe templates and categories.  Userpages, forums, polls, quizzes, blogs, etc - anything that is for the sake of the social side of Halopedia - is not within the purview of this group as it has nothing to do with article quality.  That stuff remains within the purview of the admins.  After all, it's not like we, as users, can fix the content of polls or quizzes, just report violators of the existing policies.  Vandals fall under a similar category - while the user base is encouraged to combat vandalism in any of its forms, the policies and procedures for vandalism are clearly defined and are unlikely to change.  As for spelling and grammar, we could certainly put a Standard down that says "All articles are expected to be written in a formal manner using proper spelling and grammar", though having it any more explicit would mean we're giving an English lesson rather than a standard.  Draft it out. --forgottenlord 05:28, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was just wondering about that. Also, are good SCoH edits like this? Example, I turned the Yayap and Dadab pages from badly-made stubs into fully-fledged small articles. Can you check those pages out, and tell me if they are any good? And can you tell me where to put inquirys like this in the future? Thanks, kougermasters 04:49, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Those are CoH edits, not SCoH. We deal with bringing pages in line with standardization policies, not development of content or general editing.  So referencing a dozen different points or updating existing references to conform with the new reference standards, putting existing quotes in a quote template or bringing the page itself in line with the general format of Biographies would be SCoH work. --forgottenlord 13:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * EDIT: Most groups are about Content and Quality - that's what they judge when giving promotions. We're about organization and quality - not content. --forgottenlord 13:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * In other words, he mean Wiki Standards which covers Grammar, Organisation of Section, Paragraphs and Templates.<font color="#0000FF"><tt>Little</tt> <font color="#0000FF"><tt>_</tt> <font color="#0090FF"><tt>Missy</tt> - [[Image:Cortana Gif.gif|24px]] 13:41, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...what would you consider a "decent" article? I mean, in terms of SCoH standards (references, etc), not general content. Cheers. <font color="#100000">Ri <font color="#600000">ck <font color="#A80000">rol <font color="#D00000">ler <font color="#404040">Gen <font color="#909090">eral <font color="#C0C0C0">ÌṂρεσάḹόґ MyVictories 14:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


 * TBD. --forgottenlord 00:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If I'm correct, I think the Legislative side of the group will establish the standards level before the Executive side will begin its duties.  <font color="RoyalBlue">Lovemuffin  [[Image:Dancing_master_chief.gif|30px]] ••• <font color="DimGray"> Talk undefined <font color="Navy"> Edit Count undefined Contributions undefined 05:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Ohhh, you mean standards for all of Halopedia, like how a Character page should look, the biography, notable events, etc. and the standards for all weapons pages, and Battle pages, and stuff like that? kougermasters 04:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, though it's also general standards and formalizing existing, no-recorded standards. For example, we've held for a long time that there shouldn't be a Quotes section on an Article.  When we first tried to move the quotes off the articles, several users complained so our compromise was to move it to a subpage.  One of the standards I'm drafting right now formalizes that rule since it would be unreasonable to expect the average user to know this rule when they arrived.  --forgottenlord 13:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

With permission from HaloDude and Relentless (one saying "it's a good idea", the other saying "your group, do whatever"), I'm openning a bi-election to pick our first senators. The election is located here --forgottenlord 13:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)