Forum:Enough Usergroups!


 * Delete - Okay, we have enough usergroups! I'm starting to think people are just creating em' to get fame but frankly except for Donut and possibly me no one has garnered any real recognition. The new ones don't really do anything like the RoH because there's hardly any Rebel or Heritic Articles. The SoH makes sense but I think it should have stayed CoH,UoH, and PoH because that covers evrything. The FoH doesn't doesn't have anything to edit because we don't know anything about the Forerunners! They've had the same article for improvement for months! That's all for now. ŚþåЯ ţÿ  ŢЎ  мЭ  http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif ''Cross-Comm. •   PAST BATTLES   17:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - Yeah, I have to agree. -- Dragonc laws ( talk ) 18:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - I strongly agree. Cheers, Relen tless Recu sant 'o the Halopedia Team [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] TALK • SPEAK 19:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - That pretty much sums it up.
 * -- Donut THX 1138 [ Comm ] 19:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - I agree, but sentinels and monitrs count under FOH. And stufff about Halo as it IS forerunner designed.


 * Keep - if there's a reason(other than editing for a particular type of article), that's valid, i say let them stay...  Phil.e.  [Talk to me] 20:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - Personally, there are only so many Flood and Forerunner articles for the Parasites of Halopedia and Forerunner of Halopedia to cover. I'd leave it at the Covenant of Halopedia, UNSC of Halopedia, and Multiplayers of Halopedia. The Rebels of Halopedia seems nearly as pointless as the PoH and FoH, and the Slayers of Halopedia even more so. I mean, how long can these groups go on without hitting every article they are meant to cover? A couple months? A year? Maybe if the FoH and PoH merged, but the RoH and SoH seem utterly pointless. The SoH, especially, seeing as how it doesn't fix anything specific. Isn't there an Improvement Drive that does the same thing? I think that we might want to consider removing the Halopedia sponsorship of some of these usergroups.
 * -- Master Gunnery Sergeant  Hank J Wimbleton IV COMHalo: Galaxy 22:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I find myself agreeing. =S Cheers, Relen tless Recu sant 'o the Halopedia Team [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] TALK • SPEAK 22:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

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 * Weak Delete - Well...there started out with one...then two...then three...then four...and that should have been enough... but I will say that the MoH is Ok. All of these usergroups that have been springing up are mostly by new users, sometimes very new users who either like the idea of a bunch of awards or just want to help. The problem with that is that between those 5 groups maybe even the four, all articles of halopedia that relate to anything halo can be covered by groups. These new ones coming out are...well, they're managed by inexperienced users and the members are usually less experienced. I have personally received invitations to these various new groups and I didn't really say one way or the other, I'm just here to improve articles, but some of the articles don't need to be helped or there is no more information available on them. Having this many usergroups can lead to non-canon information on articles and that would be bad for halopedia. There are defiantly too many and some have got to go. Peace. '''[[user:James-001|<font color=Yellow>I <font color=Gold>' <font color=Orange>m <font color=DarkOrange> O <font

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 * Weak Delete - I concur with Spartytime. However, the SoH needs some cleanup, then that can stay. Not a lot of people have discovered the full potential of either usergroups yet. Maybe if they stayed longer, they will improve over time. I mean both newer usergroups. --[[Image:GRAW Wallpaper.jpg|35px]] <font color="#D3D3D3" General>


 * Delete - As informed by Donut, the origional goal of the SoH as written was to rival the main usergroups. I don't think it should stay. tand the RoH, although it has godd intentions and potential, isn't needed as the CoH and UoH cover rebels and heretics. I support the removal of either or both groups do to the above reasons and more. We don't need anymore.-- Ka n  e  [[Image:Kane.jpg|20px]][[Image:Black Hand TW3.jpg|30px]] 23:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Just a Question, Would you think that an Armory Usergroup could be added as well? -- <font color="#D3D3D3" General> <font color="#D3D3D3">B <font color="#A9A9A9">le <font color="#808080">m <font color="#000000">o http://www.wikia.com/skins/common/progress-wheel.gif ''<font color="#A9A9A9">Talk •  <font color="#A9A9A9">Contributions   • Semper Fi


 * In all honesty, you could. But we have so many and the four origional already cover it. Plus you would be met with extreme oposition to its existance as it isn't and won't be required. If everybody wants to improve halopedia, don't make more useless groups, instead join an existing groups and request a subdivsion on the group's page for a specific type of article, rather than creating another group.-- Ka n  e  [[Image:Kane.jpg|20px]][[Image:Black Hand TW3.jpg|30px]] 01:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - I say we look at how many articles these groups (all of them) edit, then delete them if the edit count is too low. Some of the new ones are more interested in creating a rank structure, creating titles for themselves and having elections, but don't edit any articles. --  Manticore  [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] TalkundefinedCSV 08:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - What happened to what it said on the invites? You know, the bits about meeting new people, making friends. Instead of moaning about what the groups do and how pointless they are, you should be considering who uses them (if it's frequently used then it's not pointless). Since the RoH was made, i've been talking to people that i hadn't talked to before. It's also great practice for coding and formats, etc. If this website is 'friendly', then why moan about what people are doing? If it's really rediculous, then by all means complain, but i think the RoH are doing a good job- when we run out of heretic pages, we'll still be talking and discussing them. Besides, when Halo 3 comes out, there might be a lot more to do. If you're going to get rid of user groups, then get rid of them when they stop doing work.

I didn't exactly expect this on this site.......

HaloDude 16:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC) =(


 * Well, I understand what you are saying HaloDude, but there has to be a point when decide that user groups are just being made for the sole purpose of making them. I think we've reached that point at where usergroups that plan on helping halopedia by improving articles not improving the artilces. Maybe someone should look at the possibility of creating a usergroups with no rank structure and just for people to meet...but then again, isn't that what Halopedia is for? Peace. '''[[user:James-001|<font color=Yellow>I <font color=Gold>' <font color=Orange>m <font color=DarkOrange> O <font

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Another thing, i'd like to point out that some of you are part of these new usergroups, so if you don't like them, WHY JOIN?!?! HaloDude 19:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * exactly! I may not agree with HaloDude on the new groups, but I agree that if you don't like 'em, don't join 'em. I have an Idea that could also work. Despite thast fact I find the two new groups unrequired, I have an idea that would allow them to stay. From now on we should decide whether a new group is needed, before it's made so we aren't flooded with new groups. Another idea that simplifies the last one. Keep the current, allow no more new ones. That means all the existing ones, even the two new ones, but NO MORE NEW ONES unless when Halo 3 comes out and for some reason the 7 current groups can’t handle the new information or a new faction comes, we would vote if it is necessary. So the recap, keep all the current, allow no more new ones to be made unless they are absolutely needed. And as for a community thing: Although a community is formed because of halo and Halopedia, the community shouldn't be the main focus, halo should be. I anybody wants me to go more in dept about the last sentence, please say so.-- Ka n  e  [[Image:Kane.jpg|20px]][[Image:Black Hand TW3.jpg|30px]] 20:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well...if you had read my comment above, you would know that I already said that...I have personally received invitations to these various new groups and I didn't really say one way or the other, I'm just here to improve articles, but some of the articles don't need to be helped or there is no more information available on them. Meaning, I've received invitations and said sure, why not, the only reason I'm active at all in some of these is because someone(NOT ME) put my name down in their rank structure. I checked out the page, and am not actively involved, except I did take a look at the article they were "improving" (if that's what you call it) and made it better. Let me point out...ooo...that is a good phrase...that you don't have to be in any usergroup to fix up articles, it's not my fault that someone put my name down. '''[[user:James-001|<font color=Yellow>I <font color=Gold>' <font color=Orange>m <font color=DarkOrange> O <font

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Even though I have a deep respect for you James, I don't want to be censored. I would care less if you said my group is BS than anyone censoring my username. -- <tt>Captain Wolfenhawk</tt>  - Captain's Log ]]- - Ships I've Plundered ]]- 02:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I wasn't talking about you personaly, I was talking in general.-- Ka n  e  [[Image:Kane.jpg|20px]][[Image:Black Hand TW3.jpg|30px]] 21:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps James-001 should concentrate on this forum topic, and not the way some people talk on Halopedia. HaloDude 21:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC) BTW, I like Kane's idea.

Here's how I see it. I am not calling for the deletion of ANY group. However, I am calling for those groups which serve no purpose other than meeting people, as HaloDude put it, to lose Halopedia sponsorship. They can still exist on user namespaces, but they wouldn't be official project pages anymore. I think the Halopedia sponsorship should be reserved four the usergroups that are serious about what they do.
 * -- Master Gunnery Sergeant  Hank J Wimbleton IV COMHalo: Galaxy 01:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - I agree except for the PoH and FoH parts. They have done a bit. The PoH more than the FoH, but that could be because of the slight leader absence. Before we do anything to the FoH give it some more time.--[[Image:GRAW.png|25px]] MCPO Spartan  1138  01:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There has to be some compromise between these two opinions, but the theories are sound. Peace. '''[[user:James-001|<font color=Yellow>I <font color=Gold>' <font color=Orange>m <font color=DarkOrange> O <font

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 * Keep - The PoH and FoH need to be merged. The RoH does have a purpose, because if you were a Rebel you wouldn't consider yourself part of the faction you split from! And, Spartan 1138, you're a member of the RoH and even requested a promo. May I also I point out, that Spartytime is a member of the SoH and one of its leaders. So maybe Spartytime wants glory. -- <tt>Captain Wolfenhawk</tt> [[Image:Arg me be a pirate.PNG|45px]] - Captain's Log ]]- - Ships I've Plundered ]]- 02:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Are you saying that your fellow Rebels should change their opinion? Cheers, <font color="#D3D3D3">Relen <font color="#A9A9A9">tless <font color="#808080">Recu <font color="#000000">sant 'o the Halopedia Team [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|25px]] <font color="#A9A9A9">TALK • <font color="A9A9A9">SPEAK 02:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Getting a concensus
Well, ED is away for graduation, and Esemono is MIA. The 3 current administrators are GPT, RR, and Dragonclaws...and both RR and Dragonclaws are for some sort of moderation of the newer user groups. I'd like to wait to see GPT's opinion, and then maybe the community could have some sort of massive IRC chat over the weekends on like Saturday so that we can work out all the differences, so that we could get rid of this problem and ensure no long-lasting hard feelings between Halopedians, which IMHO is very importante. ;-)

Cheers,

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Productivity
As I've stated before, I think all of the groups should be examined on their productivity. They all claim to improve certain articles, and I think we should examine those articles and the contribs of users in the groups. While this might be a lengthy process, we could then identify groups not really needed (strictly in terms of their productivity) and consider deleting or merging those groups.

We also need to make some sort of official Halopedia policy regarding user groups. The newer groups are in Halopedia mainspace, and thus, are an official project. If the community doesn't want them, or think they don't need them, then they can be moved to a user's subpage. I propose that for any future groups, we have a voting situation, similar to an RfA, in which the community will determine if another official user group is needed.

--  Manticore  TalkundefinedCSV 02:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)