Forum:Assualt carrier or flagship?

Votes for Deletion

 * Delete - Multiple parts of this article are speculation. We cannot say with 100% surity that the Ascendant Justice is an Assault Carrier, which is the basis of the entire theory, and nor can we say with 100% surity that flagship is even a class of ship, rather than a designation that can be applied to any type of ship, which is another basis for his entire theory. That, and this article belongs in the Discussion page of the Assault Carrier, not its own article.--Rot 2046 9.12.06
 * DELETE no proof has been brought forward.-- Esemono 01:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm... Didn't Chief and Fred capture one of these in FS??  SPARTAN-091 [[Image:UNSC.jpg|15 px]] HelmetComm 01:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe you're refering to the Ascendant Justice which is a Covenant Assault Carrier that is listed as a Flagship because it was the lead ship. The term Flagship is just whatever ship is in charge of the fleet.  Flagship is not its own class of ship as any ship if it is in charge of the fleet can be a flagship. Often during a battle the flagship will change ships as vessels become damaged or destroyed -- Esemono 01:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think the Ascendant Justice is an Assault Carrier ... --Rot 1853 7.12.06
 * Please keep the debate to whether or not this article, Assualt carrier/flagship should exist or not. I moved your arguement to the Talk:Covenant Assault Carrier page where you can discuss removing it from that article as its listed as being a Covenant Assault Carrier.
 * Delete - For several reasons. One, we can not say for sure the Ascendant Justice is an Assault Carrier. That would be speculating. Two, the article has several other areas of speculation that need adressing. Three, the article belongs in in the [Talk:Assault Carrier, not its onw article.--Rotaretilbo 04:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

This is why we need a list of Covenant ships instead of the disputed one we use now. -- Esemono 01:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Who is Guardian of the Luminous Key

 * When did it state that the Guardian of the Luminous Key was the Arbiter? Source please. Spartan 144 "Nicholas" 21:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC-8)


 * For your information Spartan 144 "Nicholas" UTC-8 it was stated by Bungie that the Arbitor in Halo 3 was the commander of Ascendant Justice and Supreme Commander of Fleet of Particular Justice. At the same time, Halo First Strike mentions that the commander of ascendant justice was named Gaurdian of the Luminous key. This would obviously mean that the Arbitor was the commander of ascendant justice as it would barely make since if he wasn't. To further proove this, Taterus at the end of Halo First Strike says " And what of the incompetant High one? the one who lost ascendant justice." Truth says, Bring hime before the council.Let his fate match the magnitude of his failure.".. THis was written by the creator of assualt carriers/flagships. -- Halo3 01:01, 10 December 2006
 * So you're saying that another name for the Arbiter is Gaurdian of the Luminous key? -- Esemono 01:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, first off, though I do agree with the Arbiter being the Guardian of the Luminous Key, it is not confirmed. The problem is that Fleet of Particular Justice had a flagship called Seeker of Truth (which Halopedia calls an Assault Carrier, but I don't know). Now, it also says the Supreme Commander of the Fleet of Particular Justice dwelt aboard this ship. Now if he was there, why would he be on the Ascendant Justice? My theory is that the Seeker of Truth was destroyed and he moved ships, but this is a theory, not fact. As for flagships, I am beginning to support the theory that flagships are merely ships in charge of fleets or battlegroups. My reason can be found on page 37 of Halo: First Strike. " 'Picking up encrypted transmissions from new contact,' Cortana whispered. 'Descrambling...lots of chatter...orders being given to the cruisers. It appears to be directing the Covenant fleet operations in the system.' 'A flahship,' the Chief murmured." John-117 associates commanding fleet operations with flagship, he does not seem to associate the ship with flagship until Cortana says it is directing fleet operations.--Rot 2043 9.12.06