Talk:Marathon-class heavy cruiser

Cruiser-Carrier?! Change to Cruiser!

 * Change to Cruiser (6)
 * Keep as Cruiser-Carrier (1)


 * Change to Cruiser! Its just a cruiser! What are you guys smoking?--User:JohnSpartan117 08:29, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as Cruiser-CarrierI am not smoking. It says in H:FoR that the carrier slid away. It also calls it a cruiser. Hence the name. Cheers,  -49 Proximal Secant [ Relentless  Recusant Jedi_Order.jpg] 15:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah...page number please?--User:JohnSpartan117 04:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * References added. Okay? And furthermore, HBO is NOT Bungie. It is a fansite. Cheers, 49 Proximal Secant[ oracle ]H3 Monitor.PNG 13:33, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Change to Cruiser!:::(yes it does say this but then it also says this is because that another ship was joined to it equaling the total mass of a carrier, and evan bungie identify this ship as the cruiser!.)J!MMY8806 10:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Excuse me if we don't trust someone who devoted almost all their edits to adding fanfiction. Page number please! -- Esemono 15:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Change to Cruiser!:::::it is a page on this site il try and find but it says the reason they call it a carrier is because the two ships were merged i will give the page as soon as i find it and anyway i know i posted fan fic on before but check all my recent work its all real infact ive cleaned up some fan fic ok i am only judging by the page on this site, and on the ship scale released by bungie or HBO i think it identifys this ship as a marathon class cruiser not cruiser carrier so if the creators of the game display it as a cruiser not a cruiser-carrier then therfore it must be a cruiser ok thanks? J!MMY8806 13:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * that was by Steven Loftus, but he doesn't actually work for Bungie. he does an admirable job with his articles and diagrams, but its not technically official until Bungie specifically confirms it. 125.238.90.148 -- 23:15, 9 January 2007


 * Keep as Crusier I refuse to believe that you all are that naieve. The ship was called a carrier once. It was called a cruiser numerous times, including the first time it was mentioned. That is called a typo, not a secret plan to make Marathon-class ships into a mega-impossible cruiser/carrier hybrid ship. -ED 15:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as Crusier - It looks like the whole Cruiser-Carrier thing can be chaulked up an error. The name discrepancy should be just a note at the bottom of the page and then added to List of Inconsistencies in Halo -- Esemono 03:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as cruiser - I wish to note the techincal definition of a Cruiser type warship, namely: a powerfull general purpous warship with a variety of weaponry and a reasonable carraige cpacity" so a cruiser-carrier name change would be redundant.
 * Since no one has offered any additional reasons why we should keep it as a "cruiser-carrier" and in the face of a majority, the page is now moved back. -ED 02:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Where are the MAC Guns on the Marathon-class cruiser?
The article says that the ship has three, but the pointy extensions on top and bottom of the ship are obviously too short for a MAC gun. The only place I could figure out where the gun should go is on the bump on the front of the ship's hull. Either this is also an experimental MAC gun that fires three shots before reloading (like on the PoA) or is one of the three on the ship.

I think that ALL of the MACs are on that bump because it looks bigger than the bump on the POA. So it could hold more MACsAlexspartan117 12:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

it might be those "rails " at the bottomSnorkel378 23:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)Snorkel378

Those "pointy extenions" could be Mini-MACs on turrets. now THAT would be deadly!

There are two varients of the Marathon
There are two varients too the Marathon designated the CB and CBC, the CB is a CB Marathon-class Large Cruiser and the CBC is the Marathon-class Tactical Command Cruiser. Also the Marathon has 2 MACs not three, carriers and Super carriers re the only ships that carry more than 2 MACs.--DarkAngel 03:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * i always specualted this, could you tell me were you found this, thanks mate J!MMY8806 12:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

What ship are in these pictures?
The debate was getting a little confusing so I've moved the old talk page to the archive and moved the relavant points here.

File:Reach.jpg
In that picture with the burning planet and the covenant CCS class battle cruisers in the backround (Shown to the right) was a human ship fleeing battle. That human ship was in fact the HALCYON CLASS Pillar of Autumn. While Marathon class and Halcyon class cruiser are extremely alike, Marathons always seem to be more skeletal in appearence. Bungie did nothing to change the appearence of the ship Pillar of Autumn. They left it in same appearence as in the first Halo Game [as a Marathon Class]. They never replaced that Halcyon class cruiser model with a Marathon class cruiser model because of how [time] was running out. -- User:Halo3 22:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

No, this is a Marathon class, Bungie was lazy and never put a model of the Autumn in Halo 2, its a dark scene that last for a few seconds, they thought none would be the wiser. VanFlyhight 20:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

File:UNSC-Ship.jpg
That picture with the cruiser rocketing away with covenant CCS Class Battle Cruisers in the backround is incorrect (no offense). That is the Halcyon Class Cruiser Pillar Of Autumn escaping the Covenant fleet.Halo3 03:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)--Halo3
 * Actually, no. Upon further investigation, it is clear that Bungie used a Marathon-class Cruiser there, rather than the Halcyon-class model, just to save space and time and money and stuff. So instead I replaced it with another, clearer picture of a Marathon-class, that's actually supposed to be a Marathon-class, which you deleted. Warum hast du das machen?  guesty - persony - thingy  05:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I did'nt delete nothing and I was refering to the picture before this one.Halo3 22:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)--Halo3


 * As Dojorkan pointed out this picture in the, "game files its called 'POA'" and that Stephen Loftus claims that this picture is a UNSC Cruiser,
 * Yes, Dojorkan, the top two pics are the UNSC Cruiser. Good pics! It's in the game files as POA because it stands in for the Autumn in the escape from Reach part of the cutscene, but it's obviously not the same design of vessel. -- Stephen Loftus

File:Marathon-class Orbit.jpg
I'm pretty sure the picture isnt of the Marathon-Class Cruiser. i think it's just a stripped-down Halcyon-Class.
 * YES! I CONCUR! Finally! Cheers,  Relentless  Recusant Jedi_Order.jpg 23:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As Dojorkan pointed out Stephen Loftus claims that this picture is ALSO a UNSC Cruiser,
 * Yes, Dojorkan, the top two pics are the UNSC Cruiser. Good pics! It's in the game files as POA because it stands in for the Autumn in the escape from Reach part of the cutscene, but it's obviously not the same design of vessel. -- Stephen Loftus


 * But you are forgetting the Marathon is just a larger Haly, Sorta like a Ford GT and a Ford GT concept they are built pretty much same shape and style but one had more goodies, and the PoA was a HEAVILY modified Haly --DarkAngel 16:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * After thought both the Haly and the Marathon are cruisers sooo its no surprise they look alike. I mean how many of you could guess the differnce between the shape and design of a light cruiser and a heavy cruiser.--DarkAngel 16:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

What the heck are you talking about? -SpecOps306

This is a pic of a Marathon class cruiser Alexspartan117 12:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

correct Alex it is a marathon, one thing to remember about the PoA in the Reach Picture above is that it was HEAVILY damaged during its fight with the flagship and therefore it might be that the hull of the PoA had just gotten the crap beaten out of it. --All Under Heaven 13:00, 27 September 2008

trust me, the top one is a halcyon. i'm one of those halo maniacs who studies all these details (mainly so i can replicate them in strata 3d). as for the bottom one... -silent but deadly   4:09, 3 july 2007

tonnage
i know it states this but could someone double check it all b/c i do not have that book but my main oint is the super carriers of today weigh 100,000 tons + and they are the size of around 300m so what the hell lol kk cheers mate, J!MMY8806 20:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

What is its length. 1192 meters or 1500 meters.

Guys I think the Marathon has to way at least a good 500,000 tons. I mean a Cruise ship ways 110,000 tons and its like 900 ft long this thing is like five times that so there I say 500,00 tons is a better estimate

That might be true about the tonnage of the Cruiser but you need to know that the ship is made out of titanium and warships of today are made of steel which is heavyer than titanium so the ship will be lighter than it looks.

and they're full of massive hollow bits.Maiar 02:40, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Marthon Class and Halcyon Class made at same company
As people pointed out that the Marthon and the Halcyon look like each other in the frame this has pondered for a long time and I came up with a resonable answer 1. The Marthon could be made by the same company that built the Halycon from what I can tell the Halcyon has been in service way before the covenant showed up at harvest. 2 The marthon class crusier is able to take a beating i.e several plasma torps with its heavy armor it also might have the honeycomb design so it can be beaten over a log and still fight

addiing to your number 2 statement: it might be that like ships nowadays, one company comes up with a great design and other use it. like the EVA plates used today. on country made it, it works well and others use it.--Arabsbananas 21:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Um...
Guys,

When a cruiser goes into an atmosphere, how does it keep from falling due to gravity? If anyone could come up with an explanation, that would be great.

Cheers,

Stryker 117  02:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that the Cruisers are not rated for atmosphere I think Frigates are the only human ship that can Hover in Atmosphere because in the cinimatic in Metropolis Hood said that he is going to get 2 heavys for starside intercept and that the Halycon class cant seem to flot ether.

It is likely that cruisers are not capable of atmospheric operation, but frigates (as demonstrated in Halo 3) likely use some form of thrust vectoring to channel their engine output downward to counteract gravity. A more sci-fi explanation would be the employment of some anti-gravity mechanism, possibly reverse engineered from Covenant vessels? Isidis 128 00:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Human ships now have a form of gravity generation in their ships which might also work in the case of smaller ships to keep it afloat as thrust vectoring would create tremendous forces on the ground and necessitate large amounts of constant energy. It's just not economical. Does any body even no what "That Carrier is too heavy for star-side intercept" even means, it doesnt mean his cruisers are too heavy to go attack the carrier it means he cant spare a ship because they would be destroyed and that In Amber Clad was a frigate, frigates cant usually go up a against a ship 16 times there size. Who else Agrees?-Justin Kane

CIWS question
Since the 50mm auto-cannon count is purely speculation, do you think we could pad it a little more? Such a large vessel would probably have more then 2 of these, especially considering the architecture of the vessel. I believe at least several of these would be present, as any less would not be entirely effective. Just a thought.

Also, I thought I would suggest that we also mention that the name could be drawn from the Battle of Marathon, a real-life battle from Ancient Greek history between the Greeks and the Persians. I am sure that there were several reasons for selecting the title Marathon. Once again, just a suggestion.SAWGunner89 00:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Considering that a FRIGATE has 8 the Marthon would have dozens.Maiar 02:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Only two CIWS weapons? Thats certainly a error, its 100+, however, you can rest assured, the name comes from the computer game, Marathon, a none to subtle reference bungie often banders about. --Ajax 013 19:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Need sources!
Could we get sources for the size of the damned thing please? Also, we seem to have some new weaponry popping up ... any sources for that? Make it easier for me - I don't want to have to keep editing the page back to 1192m... —Leaps-from-Shadows (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

twenty UNSC Cruisers left in the Navy ?????????!!!!!!
who the hell put that the unsc has several fleets and if theres only 20 left the unsc would be 300X weaker im changing that to fleet

Hidden fact finder--66.167.206.116 02:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

its from the book fall of reach which is canon ProphetofTruth 02:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

true but considering the fact that the home fleet had some where around 25 to 35 cruisers and the fact that many battle groups like Stalingrad and the seventh fleet the former having 1 the latter most likely having 5 to 15 cruiser and the fact that keyes was most likely referencing the fleet which he was in that was drawn from the local systems and nearby battle groups as well as the fact that reach had though the current count of named cruiser is 3 though most likely 10 or 15 not to mention the fact that during the first battle of earth fleet admiral Harper had 8 most likely Marathon class cruisers and the fact that this was just the one located on the side defending Africa and Cairo not the entire unsc home fleet. until a unless someone can reason me otherwise im going to change that back.

Hidden fact finder --69.3.145.247 06:50, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

sorry just changing my name im hidden fact finder--Halogen117 07:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Where is that image from they look similar to the Halcyon-class cruiser.

Its from the Halo 2 Cutscene - A Marathon was used in place of the Halycon for a 5 second cutscene regarding the Pillar of Auttumn. --66.37.173.159 01:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Curious about the source of the Marathon-class Cruiser.
Where exactly did Bungie name this type of cruiser as Marathon or was it a fan-created/agreed upon term? --71.112.100.33 06:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Halo: The Fall of Reach, the UNSC Marathon-class cruiser Leviathan is present at Sigma Octanus. --  Administrator  Specops306  -  Qur'a 'Morhek   Honour Light Your Way!  09:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Heratic cutsceane?
who put in that the Pillar of Autumn is seen fighting alongside Marathon Crusiers? I have watched the Cutsceane several times and have not seen this. Is someone making things up or (more likely) I'm not doning something right?--Arabsbananas 16:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I removed and reverted a revert of the Everest being included in the list of Marathon-class cruisers since official canon only labels it a "super-heavy cruiser." However on the ship's page it states that it is likely a Marathon-class. I wanted to see if there was a consensus here to add Everest back to the list but include in parenthetical (likely, but officially listed as super-heavy cruiser). Or should we leave it off as is? -- Lord Hyren 21:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I know you were on the page earlier Lord Hyren, but if you look at the UNSC Everest talk page right now, you'll see that I've added more proof that the beefed up Marathon from Augirae is the Everest. Besides that evidence though, I highly suggest Everest be listed as a modified Marathon. It was seen in active duty shortly after the Marathon cruisers began to appear in the battlefield, and, as the fleet's flagship, would not be an older model of cruiser (Halcyon). Sources suggest that it was heavily modified rather than a newer class in itself as well.--Nerfherder1428 21:11, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I tend to agree. I hate all this tip-toeing around what Nylund has said in a limited fashion, but we do need to respect Halopedia's canon policy. However, since we're on a consensus with this I see no issue. -- Lord Hyren 23:32, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Size
On two separate occasions in Halo canon, the Halcyon-class cruiser is said to be significantly smaller than the Marathon-class, the Halo combat evolved manual and The Fall of Reach. But here it says that the Marathon is only 22 meters longer, and when seen side-by-side, the Halcyon-class appears to be quite a bit bulkier. What I want to know is, Where did the 1,192 number come from, and why is it consiered the most powerful warship when the Halcyon is clearly larger. I think it would make far more sense if the number was 1,500 meters. 67.171.112.92 00:23, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Size doesn't mean everything... remember that the Marathon class is newer, and thus mor eupdated, so it could pack more into a smaller area. ~Enlightment~ ~Fighting Vandalism and Watching Unregistereds~ 01:39, January 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Marathons have an extra MAC cannon than Halcyons, thus making it stronger. As for the Halo CE manual, that thing is riddled with more than a few inconsistancies.--Nerfherder1428 21:11, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

i thought marathons were smaller than Halcyon class but obviously better.SPARTAN-III leader 03:29, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * There is size comparations with frigates here:

http://www.halopedian.com/images/0/05/Humanfleet.png

It gives 1554 meters for size. Picard578 17:29, 12 March 2011 (EST)

no class name ships
ok this goes for all ships. but i have never seen a class of ships that actually have a ship name of the class like Marathon. there is not a UNSC Marathon, so why name it things that arent even ships!?SPARTAN-III leader 03:31, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, there is most likly a UNSC MArarthon, only we haven't encounted it. Ship classes are always nemed after the first ship, I.E. USS Butler Class, first ship was the USS Butler. Just because we haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  CR8ZY-Ar@B "Dancin' on Glass."  03:35, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Armour Thickness
where did the statement for the Armour thickness come from? frankly, 2 metres of armoured hull is still rather thin for a cruiser weight ship.--WhellerNG 20:07, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

List of Marathons
Concerning the list of Marathon-class ships on the article- is it ever confirmed that such ships, Leviathan and Everest in particular are in fact Marathons? There are no sources and citations linked to the list. Shouldn't these be included?Operator 141 07:56, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Need new images
Seriously, do we not have any additional images of the Marathon? Surely there are some others floating around from Halo 2 and whatnot. Fire Eater 23:39, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * That is the best official Marathon-class cruiser image there is. They might appear in Reach campaign, if they do, then we'll probably get a better image from there. Marathon-class' appereance in Halo 2 was extremly limited. That, and the scene where the Autumn's retreat from Reach is shown. Yeah, the Autumn was a Halcyon-class cruiser but for some reason Bungie used Marathon model for it in Halo 2. T51b 23:55, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe we could somehow get a transparent cutout image of the Marathon-class Heavy Cruiser for the introductory image of this article? I mean, sure some of the images we have here may not be of the highest quality, but surely there is something we can do, right? Xamikaze330 14:15, 15 September 2011 (EDT)Xamikaze330

Inconsistencies
In Halo: The Fall of Reach, page 238, it states that the Halcyon-class light cruiser was designed in 2510. However, in Halo Evolutions - Essential Tales of the Halo Universe, Volume I, The Impossible Life and the Possible Death of Preston J. Cole, page 301, mentions the UNSC Leviathan, a Marathon-class heavy cruiser as Admiral Michael Stanforth's flagship in 2503. The Marathon-class heavy cruisers were "Built as replacements for the 'aging' Halcyon-class light cruiser." You guys see where I'm coming from? Sith-venator Wavingstrider  ( Commlink ) 17:49, 25 May 2013 (EDT)


 * As can be seen on Stanforth's page, he too is included in Impossible Life as an Admiral even though he should be only 17. Then in Halsey's journal, he's only a Captain. Judging from that, Stanforth's and the Marathon's inclusion in the story is likely either an error or a time bubble reality rift created by a bored Precursor. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 18:36, 25 May 2013 (EDT)


 * We've already established that Stanforth's birth date, as it appears on the ONI memorial is an error. If you look at the page you'll see the memorial has several errors, suggesting it's meant more as an Easter Egg. On the issue of the ship, yes, you are correct in that Stanforth's ship in 2510 was called the Leviathan. That doesn't necessarily mean it's the same ship as Stanforth's Marathon-class Leviathan of 2552. It's not uncommon for ship names to be reused generation-to-generation. Just look at all the US Navy ships that have been named Enterprise. It's very possible that when Stanforth's original ship was decommissioned, he had its replacement also named the Leviathan.--Emblem 1.jpg  Rusty - 112  Admin  comm 21:08, 25 May 2013 (EDT)


 * I've made some extensive changes to the Michael Stanforth article, as well as a few touches to the Leviathan article. That should clear up some of the continuity snarl. --Courage never dies. (talk) 02:05, 26 May 2013 (EDT)


 * Thanks bro :D Sith-venator Wavingstrider  Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 02:09, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

No problem. I'd been dying to clean up the Stanforth article for a while, anyway. :) --Courage never dies. (talk) 02:15, 26 May 2013 (EDT)


 * I have also made the note on the Marathon page similar to the notes you made on both the Leviathan's and Stanforth's pages. Sith-venator Wavingstrider Fett helmet.jpg ( Commlink ) 02:18, 26 May 2013 (EDT)

Decommissioned?
Why were the Marathons decommissioned after the war? I would presume the Autumn-class merely succeeded them since there were so few Marathons left by war's end as far as we know, but given how advanced the Marathons still were technologically, why would most of the survivors be pulled from service?262VigilantGuardian (talk) 20:49, 4 February 2014 (EST)


 * I don't have the EVG, but I imagine it would have had something to do with modernisation. Bringing old ships up to new standards, especially those as radical as the post-war UNSC, at some point becomes economically unfeasible. Ripping out the old weapons and other systems and emplacing new ones, which the ship was not originally designed to support, can be an expensive prospect, at least on par with building a new ship with the new systems from scratch. I believe the US and Royal navies have been torn between the two in our current era with their future aircraft carriers, but with something like the UNSC, and a dire need for combat parity with the Covenant-remnant, they would opt for the latter option. --  Qura 'Morhek   The Autocrat     of Morheka   22:25, 4 February 2014 (EST)

Also, the Pillar of Autumn proved that the old Halcyons were structurally better, and just needed the full weapons systems that Marathons got. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 00:09, 5 February 2014 (EST)


 * I don't have my EVG at work either, but, ask yourself. How many Marathon-class cruisers would've been decommissioned? Maybe 4 or 6 total? We know as of July 2552, so the end of the Human-Covenant War, there were less than 20 cruisers total left in the UNSC fleet. We know one was the Pillar of Autumn, we know there were 8 Marathon-class at Earth during the Covenant's attack there, and we know there's a Valiant-class as well. From July 2552 to Halo 4's time, how many cruisers were still left? Not too many Marathon's could have possibly been left. So when they say they've all been retired, it's not that many individual ships we're talking about. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 12:31, 5 February 2014 (EST)


 * Was there not also also one other Halycon class cruiser still active? i.e. UNSC_Dawn_Under_Heaven (talk) 14:39, 5 February 2014 (EST)


 * There's no way to know so it's not relevant to the number of Marathon's left. The only mention is a Jason Jones reference indicating that ship had a remarkable history like the Autumn. Was that way in the past? Current? No way to tell from that one mention. -ScaleMaster117 (talk) 14:47, 5 February 2014 (EST)