User:Morhek/Overhaul of the CoH Rank System

Covenant of Halopedia

The Official Halopedia Covenant User Group Founded February 23, 2007

Proposal
As I understand things, the majority of the current Covenant of Halopedia ranks were originally based solely on those revealed in Halo 2. I believe we originally included the lower ranks, such as Unggoy, before deciding to make it solely Sangheili-based. Since then, we have learned about a significant number of new ranks and titles. Field Master and Ossoona were revealed in The Flood; Oracle Master, Fleet Master and Imperial Admiral were revealed in Ghosts of Onyx; Ascetic was created for Halo 3; Elder and Kaidon are shown in The Cole Protocol; and in the new Halo Wars interactive site, we find reference to a Weapons Master. With the sole exception of the Ghosts of Onyx ranks, we have incorporated few of these ranks into our rank system. I propose to change that.

There is also another function of the ranks to address - the manner in which promotions are acquired. At the moment, a member must post a request onto the CoH Member section talk page, and wait until a Councillor notices it. It is time consuming and, for the requester, frustrating, and attempts to draw attention to it can be percieved as pestering by Councillors. Instead, I suggest that we make requests neccessary for only a few categories - and within those categories, movement can be based on edits. In addition, I had considered replacing the Councillor rank with Kaidons instead, but have reconsidered. Perhaps some agree that Councillors sound more leaderlike, or others would like the administration of the CoH to be Kaidons instead, in keeping with the Sangheili theme? If so for either, by all means comment below!

The UoH has something similar, with the Grades that are based on Halo 3 Multiplayer. Unfortunately, Covenant ranks are not quite so intricately detailed, and so we must divide them into four categories - Elders, Masters, Special Operations and Regulars.

We already have an unofficial edit requirement for promotions to Major, and that is 100. The exact amounts required will need fine-tuning, and this system may be abandoned entirely, with just the new ranks passing. But it would free up Councillor time considerably, and it would encourage members to edit - although, of course, abuse of this edit requirement by spamming articles with poor edits to boost the number will be treated no differently to Point Whoring, because that is precisely what that is. Such requestors will automatically become ineligable for promotion.

I also suggest that, to prevent abuse of the promotion system, we lock the Members page, since all the current Councillors are Site Administrators, and create a "Membership Request" page, where applicants put their names down and the Councillors themselves move them to the list of Minors. Perhaps this can be a weekly or monthly thing?

Elders
Elders - Promotion any of the ranks of the Elder section require approval by two or more councillors. Councillor, as always, can only be held by the Covenant of Halopedia leaders. Members of the Elder section may be regarded as advisors and welcomers for lower-ranked or new members of the CoH in lieu of Councillors, but policy and promotion decisions ultimately remain with only Councillors. After Councillors retire, They automatically attain the rank of Honour Guard.


 * Councillor
 * Kaidon
 * Elder
 * Honour Guard Ultra - exclusive to former Councillors
 * Honour Guard

Masters
Masters - While the ranks of Imperial Admiral and Supreme Commander have limited slots available to fill, and promotion to either of those ranks requires Councillor approval, lower-level Masters are still able to increase their rank based on edits.


 * Imperial Admiral
 * Supreme Commander
 * Fleet Master
 * Ship Master
 * Oracle Master
 * Field Master
 * Weapons Master

Special Operations
Special Operations - The rank of Commander has been introduced, which can be filled by only one member at a time. If a new Commander is promoted, the previous one shall be promoted to Oracle Master to make way. Except for the Commander rank, Special Operations members do not require Councillor approval for promotion, though abuse of ranks that have not been earned can result in expulsion from the CoH.


 * Commander
 * Ultra
 * SpecOps Officer
 * SpecOps
 * Ossoona

Regulars
Regulars - the regular members of the Covenant of Halopedia, Regulars will largely remain the same. Regular members do not require Councillor Approval for promotion, though abuse of ranks that have not been earned can result in expulsion from the CoH.


 * Ascetic
 * Ranger
 * Major
 * Minor

Awards
I'm trying to create some awards, similar to the service medals the UoH employs. I don't want it to be a carbon copy of the UoH, because as awesome as their style is, its not our style. The CoH needs to come up with its own system. Still, for all things there is a beginning. So let this be the beginning of our own unique award system!

At the moment, we have the Nominated Awards and the Sustained Service Awards, which are identical in criteria to their UoH counterparts. Hopefully we can boost the number of awards attainable, and thus increase interest in acquiring them. Requests for these awards should probably be made on the Promotions Request page. Naturally, all applicants must first be a member of the Covenant of Halopedia.

Nominated Awards
Nominated awards are not automatically entitled to, like the Sustained Performance awards. Instead, hopeful applicants must meet a stringent set of criteria for each. For the Bringer of Holy Light, the requester must provide extensive examples of just how they have helped to improve Covenant articles. For the Honourable Intentions award, a request must be put in by someone else on your behalf, describing the deeds you have performed to deserve it. Even then, the requests are not guaranteed to succeed. For the Mark of the Gods, no requests are accepted. Councillors may award this arbitrarily, though usually we will reserve it for significant acts on behalf of the Covenant of Halopedia that do not fit the criteria of either of the other awards.

Bringer of Holy Light
Equivalent to the Armed Forces Service Medal, the Bringer of Holy Light award can be requested for making significant contributions to Covenant articles, though proof (such as page history log links) must be provided in the request.

Honorable Intentions
Essentially the equivalent of the Humanitarian Medal, the Honourable Intentions award can only be acquired by someone else nominating you. Requesting it yourself is deemed poor form, and shall be ignored.

Mark of the Gods
Basically the glyph the Elites wear in the campaign, the Mark of the Gods is awarded by the Councillors themselves to members who have distinguished themselves by their actions, helping the CoH. Exactly what actions are required to deserve this still need to be finalised.

Sustained Performance
Sustained Performance awards are simpler than Nominated awards, because after a member reaches the prerequisite criteria, they are automatically entitled to bear the award. usually, this will be for reaching a certain number of edits, or perhaps creating a Covenant-related article.

Pride of Sanghelios
As the description says, earned by achieving 10,000 mainspace edits. Though currently nobody has achieved enough edits to bear the award, once they have they can only bear one of these until they achieve another 10000 edits, which few would achieve.

Demon Killer
As the description says, earned by achieving 5000 mainspace edits. Only one of these awards may be achieved.

Glorious Crusader
As the description says, earned by achieving 1000 mainspace edits. Only four of these awards may be achieved by a member.

Foundations of Honor
Achieved for creating a Covenant-related article.

Community Suggestions
Please don't just add a suggestion to the list above. Add it here, along with a title and function. I also don't have a display idea yet, just the basic outline. Though I like the medal bar of the UoH Service Medals, I think something slightly different is called for. Perhaps different Forerunner glyphs could be used?

Suggestions
Simply add the award, along with your username and a description of the awards function and the criteria required to achieve it. It can be either a Nominated Award, or a Sustained Performance Award. Please indicate which. The elaborate quotations of the existing nominated awards are not required, but if you would like, you are welcome to add it! If you do, the quote should be at least related to the function of the award. The exact function of an award may be altered from its original intent, though the submitter will of course be consulted.

The format should be:

====Username==== *[Award Name] *[Quotation (if applicable)] *[Description of function and criteria]

ie;

Specops306

 * "Bringer of Holy Light" Award
 * "Like a beacon in the darkness, the Forerunners wisdom and knowledge is guided by your blade!"

- CoH Councillor


 * Can be given for extremely good quality edits to Covenant-related articles. Requestors must provide examples and proof in their requests.

Votes
Though the decision is ultimately up to the Councillors, I would like to have some community input. Suggestions? Opinions? Improvements? I'm not infallible, and have never claimed to be. If you disagree, or think something could be made better than I have suggested, simply say so!

For
- This looks great! — Ship  Master   Kouger  09:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

--Odysseas-Spartan 53  09:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

- Excelent layout and sorting of ranks. You have my full support! 22:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

--Redcoat117 11:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

- This must not fail to take place! Specops has put loads of work and time into this, and this will bring advantages, more awards and more... Ascy undefined 'Vamal  Honor Guard   contribs  12:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

- I agree with Sub-71. -  Μητσάρας   κι όποιος   αντέξει  14:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

- Per my post below. Honor Guard  Spartansniper  4  50  15:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

- The only complaint I have is that we need better pictures for some ranks such as Weapons Master. Dragonblaze-052 15:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, better pictures don't exist. I tried to find appropriate ones. No doubt they'll be retooled and updated at some point in the future, though.-- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  19:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

- While I think that the current system works fine, this new system better mirrors the actual Sangeili system, and makes it more in depth, and gives users new levels to strive for. D1134 20:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

If it makes life easier for the rest of us. :P ''' J u  s  t  i  n  e I'm too cool to sparkle. That's what my sonic screwdriver's  for.''' 21:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

This is a great addition to the CoH part of halopedia! this has inspired me a great deal and I am completely positive that it will do so for others. You have my support till the end. Also, if you can, i would like to see more new ideas coming as this is a great boast for all CoH members. User:Grunt minion22

I'm sure a lot of people will be willing to help promote this. I for one am myself. It is a great edition. Keep up the great work.-Verilian 'a Cendumee

Maybe an Elite Councilor Honor Guard can be added? - just a suggestion Incendiary 07:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure, since that was a glitch. But it does sound like something the Covenant would have. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  09:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I like it! Sc ar sh ad ow  01:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

This does look like it will be greatly appreciated. I suggest we should also have stuff like "Mark of Shame" and "Mark of Disobedience" and stuff like that to keep users in mind of their mistakes. It looks like we're gonna have more ranks (just when I made it to a reasonably high rank looks like I'll have to start all over again oh well XD)

This is a great idea and I can't wait till you implement it! User:Roker1039

How do I join? -- Galacticdominator 23:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

You have my support. --

Comments
What about the arbiter? Maybe that should be the former councillor rank? And honor guards maybe can be picked by the councillor who wants protection? And also shouldnt ascetic be a special rank and ultra a regular?

Should we use the elite rank commando? It is an elite rank maybe it should be in the special rank section. User Prophetofintent.


 * That would be the SpecOps, which I used only because it already exists. I could retool it, but it would effect all current ranks as well. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  03:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Just to check, the Honour Guard rank, is that only obtainable by former Councilors, or can non-council users obtain the rank?  High  DEFIN ITION  22:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I had hoped that we could leave Honour Guard open to the general community and hold the Arbiter rank as the former-Councillor rank, but I think it important that we have a rank for past Councillors completely separate from the other ranks. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  00:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, since Arbiter doesn't work, I've created the Honor Guard Ultra as the repository for former Councillors. Hopefully, it fits the system better. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  21:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

A second thought. Will the self-promotion ranks (regulars) encourage crap, poor, point-whorish edits solely to acquire a rank?  High  DEFIN ITION  22:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. It may, but we get enough of that already. A quick check of a members edits can reveal the quality of them, and thus whether they deserve to be promoted further to the Special Operations section. I see the SpecOps barrier cutting out a lot of users from higher ranks, whereas at the moment we have to check every single one. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  00:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

First of all: Is this the official comment section, or is the blog comment section below going to be where users submit comments? I have some concerns... Arbiter should be a rank as previously proposed; it would be a good idea for retired Councilors to become them, for it is an important and unusual rank in the Covenant. Honor Guards are the protectors of Councilors, not their equals. It would be better for ordinary users (such as I, for example) to be able to attain that rank. Another thing, if this passes, what rank would I become, currently being an Ultra? This seems plausible, it's just the old rank system was good too, and this will take a lot of getting used to. And if this is passed, there should be two more Councilors to help with the change; waiting for the next user group term to begin on March 15th will take too long. Two new devoted, active, and experienced Covenant of Halopedia members, for example. This change is too large for the current Councilors to handle alone. Maybe current senior officers such as the Zealots and the Ultras should help the change if possible. — Ship  Master   Kouger  04:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If you have suggestions, feel free to place them here. if you have opinions, comments, etc, just leave them on the normal blog comments section. As for the conversion of the current ranks with the future ones, I grade it on a tier system. Ascetic is a new rank, and replaces the SpecOps rank, with SpecOps becoming one higher. Current SpecOps would become Ascetics, but their level would be the same. You're currentlty an Ultra, which is the sixth rank. With the addition of two new ranks, your new rank would be Ossoona, which is the new sixth rank. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  06:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need more Councilors to help with the change. The three Councilors we have now are capable of implementing the changes.  High  DEFIN ITION  22:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Didn't you say that the ranks would also be based on edit quality and edit count? Based on some of my very high-quality edits, and my helpfulness to the CoH in general, plus my willingness and enthusiasm to help the usergroup, shouldn't I at least be promoted to Special Operations Officer or Ultra? The original Ultra rank was much higher than Ossoona. I'm not saying I'm ungrateful, I'm just implying that with so many ranks, and Ossoona so difficult to be promoted to, wouldn't users despair and give up of even becoming normal SpecOps Elites? Plus, Manticore wouldn't just become a SpecOps Officer, or ED become an Ultra? — Ship  Master   Kouger  07:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * True, but I have yet to nail down any specifics on edit requirements, part of the reason I'm opening it up to community discussion. It might end up that ranks take longer to achieve than if members requested them themselves, or they might be easier. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  08:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I also thought that Ship Master, Fleet Master, Supreme Commander, and Imperial Admiral were much higher ranks than Honor Guard. Also, if the ranks are getting changed, the Covenant of Halopedia should be completely redesigned. — Ship  Master   Kouger  04:45, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Perhaps, but that will have to be someone elses pet project. This is mine, and is taxing enough as it is! -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  06:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I also have a proposal for a better picture for the Ship Master or Fleet Master user boxes. Here it is: — Ship   Master   Kouger  05:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's also a better picture for the Ultra Elite. — Ship  Master   Kouger  05:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to use that image for the Ship Master box, because its not a Ship Master. As for the Ultra, that is a better picture, and has the benefit of being a campaign screen-shot rather than a multiplayer avatar. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  06:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * In regards to the Zealot picture, it is sometimes necessary to shunt canon aside for artistic purposes. Look at Halo Wars. Can the community maybe discuss it? — Ship  Master   Kouger  08:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Another concern is the Ascetic Elites don't seem like a normal rank. They should be considered "Special Ranks". Also, Oracle Master should be higher than Fleet Master. Ship Master, Field Master, and Weapons Master should be in a section called "Commanders". , and Honor Guard should be with the "Masters" under Oracle Masters. Also, what about Special Operations Officers? And if I'm not mistaken, there are Ultra Ship Masters and Field Masters. — Ship  Master   Kouger  05:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * For the purposes of the CoH ranking system, I'm making the Ascetics an attainable rank. I'm not entirely sure where they fit in the canon rank system, but for the CoH they're the highest "regular" rank. I grouped the Masters together because of their titles. As for Ultra Ship Master, I think Vadam was a special exception. For that matter, we could have Major Ship Masters, because Voro 'Mantakree became one. I will consider the Special Operations Officer rank, though. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  06:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Done! SpecOps Officer is now a rank! -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  06:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. Still...about the other Zealot picture that I proposed... It's a much higher-quality picture than the current Ship Master and Fleet Master pictures, and hardly anyone would recognize the difference...would they? — Ship  Master   Kouger  07:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No offence Kougermasters, but I think that almost anyone who has played Halo 2 on Legendary would recognize that picture as the fearsome Zealot. User:Roker1039 11:30 Feb 24 2009 (UTC)

One more thing. Why isn't the Minor userbox blue? It really should be. — Ship  Master   Kouger  07:51, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've tried to make the images for all the ranks directly related to what they represent. So far, even if it is fanon, the image of Vor Nar 'Mantakree preparing to stab Kurt is the only image of a Fleet Master we have. We have none for Oracle Masters, but I decided to make it an actual oracle. Same for the Weapon Master, making it a weapon. I decided the Master ranks would be differentiated by being gold, except in the case of the Imperial Admiral and Supreme Commander ranks. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  08:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, my apologies, I thought you were asking why the Oracle Master userbox was'nt blue. Now that I notice it, I'll see if I can change it - having it blue might make the text unreadable, or have other consequences. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  08:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The Minor user box looks much better. — Ship  Master   Kouger  08:44, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I have to say, Councilor Specops, that you have outdone yourself this time and I believe everyone will agree with me. You already know what my opinions are because we have been talking about this for a few days now and I thank you for taking out the Arbiter rank and giving us Honor Guards. I also am in support of changing the Ultra Elite image to the one Kouger has posted above. --Councilor Εw C 'Dnaudee  Battle Net My Editcount Administration 11:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Well done and well sorted! I will be more than honoured to assist you during this highly possible change, I must truly admit though it will be a fair bit to adjust to. 22:29, 23 February 2009

About the ranks: If the CoH needs a complete reconstruction, why not just place members into the right rank once the new ones are inserted? Like what you did when you swithced the Ranger and Specops ranks. Ascy undefined 'Vamal  Honor Guard   contribs  12:26, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I have one or two more quick questions. First of all, if this is passed, when will it take effect? Second, can someone be put in charge of redesigning the Covenant of Halopedia (which is slightly bland looking compared to most Covenant-related things) with Councilor guidance and approval? Oh, and third, can you somehow fit in the Arbiter rank? It's just such an important rank, it's a pity that it is necessary to omit it. — Ship  Master   Kouger  17:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I personally do not like the Arbiter rank and while it is an important rank in the Covenant, it doesn't fit into the scheme Specops has created. I also believe that the current Honor Guards will be added to appropriate ranks and past Councilors will be automatically promoted to Honor Guards. Councilors, feel free to correct me or add suggestions since I am mainly the Councilor which gives promotions. --Councilor Εw C 'Dnaudee  Battle Net My Editcount Administration  20:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

The Arbiter rank has been considered in the past, and it didn't work. Truth is, we're not entirely sure whether the Arbiter rank is an honourable rank, or a punishment. There's truth to both theories. Secondly, in the Covenant, there's only one Arbiter at a time, so having a rank for it is just wrong to me. As for the other ranks, I think all the ranks with "Master" in them should stay how they were. Unless I misread any articles, there's no real detail as to which order most of these ranks go in anyways. The Honour Guard rank seems fitting with the Elder ranks, as Honour Guards guard the Prophets. The ranks such as Kaidon etc that have user limits seems slightly unfair. Though I don't know how else to sort that out. There needs to be a user limit there. Also, I think you typed something wrongly above, as it says that Councilors are only obtainable by Administrators, and that Honor Guards are only obtainable by past Councilors. That needs checking. As for your suggestions Kouger regarding the userbox images, the Ultra image is better, but the other image isn't needed. It's important that while the ranks system is based as best as possible canon-wise, the images are canon-based. Therefore I strongly suggest using the images that actually show the ranks.  High  DEFIN ITION  21:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Well a rank is a rank but the user limit isn't fair. We don't get promoted based on how many humans we kill now. And are you going to be sweeping through users who haven't been active for months straight and maybe putting them in a standby area? If so, I really need something to do and I wouldn't mind helping. 6_6  J u  s  t  i  n  e I'm too cool to sparkle. That's what my  sonic screwdriver's  for. 21:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I've cleared things up. By Halopedia Administration, all i ever meant was its leaders, not actual admins. I've doubled the cap for the Kaidon and Elder ranks, but I may just drop them altogether. And, against my better judgement, I've made Honour Guards attainable ranks again.


 * I still stand by my assertion that an Arbiter rank could work as an unattainable-by-standard-promotion rank, as a final resting place for former Councillors. Right now, they go back to Honour Guard or, if they were higher in rank, whatever their former rank was. But I think it important that Councillors, after passing on the reigns, hold a title that still holds some influence and respect within the CoH, separate from conventional ranks to signify their experience. If, say, I retired as Councillor and became the first CoH Arbiter, I would still try and provide guidance to CoH members, vote on the Article Improvement drives, etc, but promotion and policy decisions would be left to the then-current Councillors. Just a hypothetical - no need to brand me with the Mark of Shame just yet! -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  21:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The Arbiter rank idea is good, only if it's obtainable by ex-councilors. Though Councilors should get a choice as to whether they retire to Arbiter, or continue their service as their previous rank. My previous rank was Ultra, and if I retired from Councilor, would want to slowly achieve higher ranks still. We can drop the user limit for the higher ranks, and if it's needed, add it in at a later date.  High  DEFIN ITION  22:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Let's get this straightened out once and for all. Is it only possible for Halopedia Administrators to become Councilors, or is it possible for Rollbackers, veteran users, and high ranking Covenant of Halopedia members, such as current Ultras, Zealots, or Honor Guards to become Councilors? I prefer the latter. Also, user limits should be omitted for now. — Ship  Master   Kouger  22:09, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have never said that the new Councillors would be exclusively Halopedia Admins. I was simply referring to the Covenant of Halopedia Administration, which is its elected leaders, regardless of their status as Admins, rollback, or whatnot. And, as per HaloDude, the limits are going to be dropped until they can be reworked. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  00:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and there should really be a better picture for the Ship Master user box. I mean, come on! How many people here have Halo PC, and are able to take a good screen shot of the Ship Master, and lighten it with effects! — Ship  Master   Kouger  22:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It's the only one we have available of the "conventional" Ship Master. I already user Rtas 'Vadum for the Commander box. If anyone can create a better picture for it, be my guest! -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  00:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

One last thing, all of the golden Zealot user boxes should have brown font, following the Zealot armor color scheme. Also, the Weapons master picture should be a picture of a Plasma Rifle or an Energy Sword on a black background, not a Carbine on a white background. The Commander user box should have a light shade of gray, not white, plus a better picture. — Ship  Master   Kouger  22:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll see about the brown text idea, but it might not display well. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  00:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I have noticed one slight problem. How can Ossoona be such a high rank when it is just a Minor with an active camouflage and video camera. Putting a Major rank so high seems to be a bit of a stretch to me. D1134 22:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ossoonas are "prophet-blessed" Major Elites sent to do spy missions. But I agree that they should be underneath Special Operations Elites. The Ascetic rank should be removed altogether, and as I stated before, the Commander rank should have a better picture, and a darker grey color, as opposed to white. — Ship  Master   Kouger  22:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I tried to make it grey, but my mastery of wiki coding is minimal at best. For the code, its has it as "grey"" wouch it doesn't seem to recognise. -- Councillor   Specops  306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  00:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the continual posting, but I have a proposal for a "new-ish" image for the Supreme Commander Userbox. Do you ever get tired of that annoying speech bubble? — Ship  Master   Kouger  22:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have already switched the images, good work. --Councilor Εw C 'Dnaudee  Battle Net<font color="Red"> My Editcount<font color="Green"> Administration 23:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm starting on the awards now. Any suggestions you have would be greatly appreciated!

Will this work for a Commander User Box?

— Ship  Master   Kouger  01:21, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

What about this for the Weapons Master rank?

The Energy sword is the Sangheili ceremonial weapon, and plus it just looks better than the Carbine. — Ship  Master   Kouger  02:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Also, here is a rough draft of how I think some of the ranks should be ordered...

Elders:
 * Councilor (obviously highest rank, keep it as the CoH Administration rank)
 * Kaidon (highest attainable rank)
 * Elder (the rank retired Councilors become)

Masters:
 * Imperial Admiral
 * Supreme Commander
 * Fleet Master (I still think you should change the user box pic...)
 * Ship Master (I also think you should the user box pic)
 * Oracle Master (make the user box pic a forerunner glyph, maybe)
 * Field Master
 * Weapon Master (proposed user box above)
 * Honor Guard (normal attainable rank)

Special Operations:
 * Commander (proposed user box above)
 * Ultra
 * Special Operations Officer
 * Special Operations
 * Ossoona (is just a prophet-blessed major elite used for spy missions...shouldnt be higher than SpecOps)

Regulars:
 * Ascetic (maybe this rank shouldn't exist... if so, it needs a better user box)
 * Ranger
 * Major
 * Minor

There are my thoughts... I will be proposing more user boxes shortly. — Ship  Master   Kouger  02:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved the Ossoona rank, as you suggested. But as for the Honor Guard rank, I put it in the Elder section because it is a ceremonial function, rather than a conventional military rank. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  05:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I have a proposal for the Ascetic Elite Userbox. I have a bit of talent with Halo 3 Screenshots, and I ask permission to create a new picture for the aforementioned Userbox. I believe that I can create a Screenshot that will better depict the Ascetic Elite's style, and show the other pieces of armor that they wear. Unfortunately, I cannot use my Xbox today. If a Councilor, or someone else with the authority to change pictures in the CoH, accepts my request, I will make a picture tomorrow and post it on this page for Users to view. Sc ar sh ad ow  04:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * By all means! I would do it myself, except that I have neither an account to link to B.net, nor the actual Ascetic armour. Help would be greatly appreciated! -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  05:40, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I have three proposals for a new Ascetic user box. Here's the first one.

Nice and original, works well.

However, I like the second one a bit more. It's a little more unique, and fits well with the rank.

This third one has to be my favorite one.

I hope they're satisfactory! — Ship  Master   Kouger  06:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Pink is so sexy. <3 ''' J u  s  t  i  n  e I'm too cool to sparkle. That's what my sonic screwdriver's  for.''' 08:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It's more of a salmon color... anyway, I hope it's accepted. — Ship  Master   Kouger  08:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Technically we don't even know if the Ascetics use the Ascetic armour from Halo 3. I know it sounds stupid but there isn't any viable source to prove it. --Redcoat117 09:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * We know that Usze 'Taham was an Ascetic. Perhaps we could use his image for the userbox? -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  09:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Game canon is the highest form of canon, and the Ascetic armor is called the Ascetic armor for a reason... plus, 'Taham's armor is just so... so hideous! — Ship  Master   Kouger  09:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The userbox image is just fine. Personally, I prefer the white Ascetic userbox. I also like the orange one.<font color="#7BA05B">Odysseas-Spartan<font color="#4B5320"> 53 </tt> 10:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * But pink is so sexy!! =P --<font color="MidnightBlue">Councilor Εw C 'Dnaudee <font color="Purple"> Battle Net<font color="Red"> My Editcount<font color="Green"> Administration 10:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Its salmon, not pink! Anyway, all of them are very good, I don't really care which is going to be selected.<font color="#7BA05B">Odysseas-Spartan<font color="#4B5320"> 53 </tt> 11:14, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Pink is. So is mudkip. But I won't get into that. They all look fine to me though. Besides, why not just have all three color schemes to offer if it's so important? They all represent the same thinggg. ''' J u  s  t  i  n  e I'm too cool to sparkle. That's what my sonic screwdriver's  for.''' 11:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the salmon color is probably best, because the Councilor and Ultra are already white, and probably a few of the new ones maybe white, I think the userboxes should be should more diverse, but that's just my opinion. Also good choice for the new Ultra image Kouger, but that Zealot image would be a good one for a Field Master rank, anyway can't wait to see where this goes. Honor Guard  Spartansniper  4  50  18:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Having an Honour Guard Ultra rank is stupid in my opinion. We should stick to the basic ranks.  High  DEFIN ITION  21:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Why? Honor Guard Ultra is an actual rank, and the only reason i hadn't already included it was because I had forgotten about it. Are you thinking of the Honor Guard Councillor? -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  23:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I know it's a rank, I just feel that with so many new ranks, it'd be best to stick with basics. The basics would be to stick with Honour Guard, but that's just me.  High  DEFIN ITION  20:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * having something out of the loop reserved just for councilors is better than not I guess.  J u  s  t  i  n  e I'm too cool to sparkle. That's what my  sonic screwdriver's  for. 22:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I'll start soon on the picture. By the way, I like the Salmon color scheme for the Userbox. I will make sure that the Elite in my picture is red. Sc ar sh ad ow  23:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Done! Here it is:



It shows the other armor perms that an Ascetic has. Tell me what you think, I can always change it. Sc ar sh ad ow  00:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, would this do?

— Ship  Master   Kouger  01:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Certainly! I'd have to get it approved by a Councilor or somebody in order for it to be an official CoH Userbox, though. Thanks for making that. Sc ar sh ad ow  [[Image:Blue Elite.JPG|28px]] 01:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That's good. As an extra couple thoughts, the Commander user box looked better with black font, and the Honor Guard Ultra is a good rank, and the user box for it was fine. I don't know what happened to it though. It seems the Minor, Major, Ranger, Ascetic (soon hopefully), Special Operations Officer, Ultra, Commander, Honor Guard, Field Master, Supreme Commander, Imperial Admiral and Elder user boxes are fine so far. The councilor image is a tad too small, the Special ops needs a better pic, the ossoona just looks odd for some reason, and the Zealots...meh...you all know my thoughts on those. Finally, the Kaidon user box is ridiculously large. — Ship  Master   Kouger  01:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I like it a lot actually, good work guys. I also think that an Honor Guard Ultra rank is perfect because it gives Former Councilors their own rank and still allows Users to acquire the Honor Guard rank. It is a real rank, seen through Halo 2, which means we are sticking to the system. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Councilor Εw C 'Dnaudee <font color="Purple"> Battle Net<font color="Red"> My Editcount<font color="Green"> Administration 01:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent. Is there any aspect of the picture I should change? Sc ar sh ad ow  [[Image:Blue Elite.JPG|28px]] 01:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I am fine with it. However, the other Councilors may have other opinions, such as a weapons change or something, so we shall wait for them to make it Final. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Councilor Εw C 'Dnaudee <font color="Purple"> Battle Net<font color="Red"> My Editcount<font color="Green"> Administration 01:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with it! -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  01:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a heretic status for people who have made useless edits or disobayed the rules too much. Might not work, but it's just an idea. User:Roker1039 11:24 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * We used to have one for inactive people. It eventually got cut because it didn't get used. Besides that, userboxes are meant to be displayed - if you're a vandal or point-whore, you would't want to advertise the fact. -- Councillor   Specops 306  -  Qur'a   'Morhek  08:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Is it possible to have Brutes as well as part of CoH. Incendiary 16:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Here are the ones Simon rjh created and proposed them on HaloDude's talk page and should get full credit for them:

Incendiary 17:02, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe I can speak for the Council on this matter. We have discussed this proposal many times and the change will not stand. I am in strong opposition toward the idea and I believe my fellow Councilors will agree with me. --<font color="MidnightBlue">Councilor Εw C 'Dnaudee <font color="Purple"> Battle Net<font color="Red"> My Editcount<font color="Green"> Administration 20:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh but why? Brutes are so sexy. --Redcoat117 20:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Did I start a trend?  J u  s  t  i  n  e I'm too cool to sparkle. That's what my  sonic screwdriver's  for. 07:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I protest against that comment (Brutes are hideous), and I am racist towards Halo 3 Brutes. They're ugly, hairy, smelly, stupid, and barbaric. And we don't want the members of the CoH fighting each other, do we? — Ship  Master   Kouger  20:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I am also against that. The CoH appears to be based mostly on Elites, and plus, in the Great Schism, the Brutes and Elites split into two different factions, because they hate each other. They couldn't possibly be in the same group! That would be madness! (Madness?! This is SPARTA!!!)(Why did I do that?) Sc ar sh ad ow  [[Image:Blue Elite.JPG|28px]] 22:49, 25 February 2009 (UTC)