Halopedia:UNSC of Halopedia/Ranks

This is RelentlessRecusant's proposal of the ranks of the United Nations Space Command of Halopedia (UNSCoH) as of October 21, 2007. It was approved by the Command Staff and put into action in November 2007 and is now the current ranking system of the UNSC of Halopedia.

Summary
Note: Private Grade 2 has been replaced with the Lance Corporal rank and Gunnery Sergeant Grade 4 has been replaced with Master Sergeant.



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Explanation
The current USMC-based UNSCoH rank system will be simplified to most of the current Halo 3 multiplayer ranks in an effort to:


 * 1) Make the system shorter and simpler to be more conducive to promotions and thus encourage contributions
 * 2) Make the system more based on Halo 3

The ranks will be as follows: Private, Corporal, Sergeant, Gunnery Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Commander, Colonel, and General. Promotion from one rank to another (say Private to Corporal) can only be achieved by a promotion by a General. However, advancement within a rank to a higher grade (say Private First Grade to Private Second Grade) may be achieved by acquiring the number of mainspace edits indicated below the regalia of the more advancedly-graded rank. Thus, while a user is garnering contributions to be worthy of promotion to Corporal, he/she may reach a higher rank, Private Grade Two, simply by making 15 article edits. This will encourage sustained contributions even in the lack of a promotion to a higher seperate rank, thus encouraging continual edits and ensuring users will not 'give up' in the UNSCoH while trying to make it to a higher rank.

The new amendment adopted by the UNSCoH defines five generals per term: these will all be granted rank of "General". However, those with less than 4000 mainspace edits will be granted rank of "General First Grade", those with 4000+ mainspace edits granted rank of "General Second Grade", and those with 5000+ mainspace edits granted rank of "General Third Grade"; the highest rank achievable in my proposal.

While all ranks from Private through Colonel are achievable through contributions and promotions by the Generals, General rank is solely attainable by the termly UNSCoH General elections.

Regards,

RelentlessRecusant 'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg TALK • MESSAGE 02:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Problems
 * 1) Seeing as we just voted to do away with hierarchical Security Council, having multi-staged General rank seems to run contradictory to the decision
 * 2) One thing I'd be interested to try is something similar to the CoH where it's two top promotion ranks are restricted ranks in terms of number of users that can have them. In our case, I was thinking that something like the Colonel rank could be used to that extent.  This actually provides an excellent framework to allow that - promotion to Colonel because you earned it and then the Grade 2 and Grade 3 are restricted for members who've displayed an exceptional amount of editing.  We could, also, instead make the General Grade 3 the Security Council elected position while Grade 1 and 2 are restricted ranks (or a combination of both, providing up to 4 restricted ranks).
 * 3) Rank translation gets a bit messed up. Right now, between Sergeant and Colonel, we have 6 ranks but under the new system, we're looking at 5 ranks - and considering that Commander is at the top, that's actually 4 ranks.
 * 4) If we do decide to translate our current officers up one rank, there's some question as to whether all of our current Majors should be shifted in the process - I wouldn't object to Ajax, the only one who got the rank because of contributions, moving up, but the retirees might be worth keeping where they are. I know Ryan has made comments along this line recently
 * 5) If we implement the system, we need to make it explicitly clear that just because someone has, say, 30 mainspace edits doesn't mean they'll be given a Corporal status if half of those edits are crap, just as someone who's made 5 large, high-quality edits may see an early promotion to Corporal.

--forgottenlord 06:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe the discrepancies in rank translation will work in our favor; we'll be able to promote or demote particularly deserving or undeserving users in a translation. However, regarding a multi-staged General rank, I think it'd be an interesting twist to delineate the more 'senior' dudes. Not quite sure about Forgottenlord's proposal regarding Colonel and General: I think that any number of exceptional users should be maintained at Colonel, without a quota, and would prefer to keep General for those specifically elected; there's not much difference between an elected General Third Grade and a really good General Second Grade, thus ambiguating the rank differences supposedly set by the election differential. However, no objections to H3 MP ranks? Cheers, RelentlessRecusant  'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg TALK • MESSAGE 18:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * What if we removed the current colonel rank, and added Brigadier to this set of ranks? Then both sets have 10 ranks, so there'll be no need for promotions/demotions. General  si'm'on  r  j  h 18:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm....the Captain numbers just seem.....weird. Could we do 500/625/750? --forgottenlord 16:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I was considering that, but I think I'd prefer to stick to gradients of 50 or 100 instead of moving to the 25s. Currently, grade differentials are: 25 > 50 > 100 > 100 (Captain) > 200 > 500> 1000 > 1000 (General). Cheers, RelentlessRecusant  'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg TALK • MESSAGE 15:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Though I prefer the old USMC and UNSC Marine Corps rank structure, I think the Halo 3-rank structure is a cool thing to try out. But I have issues with a few things. Who will keep track of editcounts and promotions? Also, if we do use this structure, we should only use one General rank. And how would be convert current members ranks into this new rank structure? General  Tony  Talk 10/23/2007


 * For who will keep track.....we leave that for the users to follow and then we can go through and purge anyone who violates the policy whenever the hell we get around to it. Considering it would be the people that were paying attention to the usergroups in the first place that would've figured out the self-promotion aspect, I doubt it'll be that many that we have to check.
 * As for the General - thank you! --forgottenlord 18:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments about insignia:
 * 1) The enlisted insignias look kind of dull in my opinion. I think the addition of a company's emblem in the middle would make it look nice (like the insignia seen here).
 * 2) The Major, Commander and Colonel ranks' insignias have stars that may make someone think that those three ranks are really different General ranks (Brig., Maj., and Lieut. Generals respectively.). 23:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This is an example of my first comment about insignia.[[Image:Ex_of_insig_with_co_emblem.png]] 02:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say no to the emblem idea. Two reasons: first, if you look at the userboxes we've generated so far, the insignia shrinks incredibly from what we have.  It's a nice idea, but when you consider that we'll be looking at 30px wide images, it becomes quite problematice.  Second, we have to upload an image and make a userbox for every single company for every single rank.  That becomes a hell of a lot of work.  If we don't do this, we already have the ranks uploaded (shy of General Grade 3) and we only have to do one version of the userboxes - thank God. --forgottenlord 18:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I just have the question of demoting. Does that mean if we have a rank already and we don't have the mainspace edits would we be demoted? I don't think its fair that we would because I do more things than edit halopedia. as of late I have been fairly busy and haven't been able to edit halopedia as much as I'd like to but I think it unfair if I have earned a rank but get demoted for not having the edits. just something to think about as we consider this possiblity. Spartan-010:Stryker My Comm My Battles  00:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


 * As noted in my point 5, your edit counts don't decide your rank, your edit counts only decide your grade. Someone who's made 10 edits that are a combined +30,000 characters on mainspace that are productive and at least good quality shouldn't be forced to wait until he's got 15 edits before we give him a promotion to Corporal (in fact, if they continue that to 15 edits, I would be very inclined to consider promoting them to Sergeant).  The only people who'll feel like they're being demoted would be Sergeant Majors and Staff Sergeants - because they get merged with the rank right below them. --forgottenlord 01:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

You missed a rank - Brigadier (the silver eagle), between Colonel and General. ^^ General  si'm'on  r  j  h 17:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That was *intentional*. :P Cheers, RelentlessRecusant  'o the Halopedia Team http://images.wikia.com/rainbowsix/images/7/73/GDI2.jpg TALK • MESSAGE 02:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Couldn't you have kept Brigadier from Halo 3? I'm going to admit it: the insignia is awesome! Maybe it could be an extra rank, like Carrier Form in PoH. Like some kind of special group of members that have done something...Eduardo Jimenez Comm Contributions[[Image:Marine_Corp_CPL.JPG|20px]]UoH

okay thats fine that was my only concern otherwise I say that its an awesome idea. Spartan-010:Stryker My Comm My Battles  19:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Personally I'd prefer if the ranks stayed with Marines ranks since that's what was intended to be usedwhen the UoH was founded. I think it'd be better to use the entire set of Marine ranks(which for some reason has never happened) than to switch to an entirely new ranking system.  Phil.e.  [Talk to me] 01:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I would rather have the set of Marine ranks also. And in response to why the entire rank system was never used (IMO anyway) the reason is probably that the rank of Master Sergeant is equal to the rank of First Sergeant (both have 6 stripes). The same applies to Master Gunnery Sergeant and Sergeant Major (both have 7 stripes). The difference between Master Sergeant/Master Gunnery Sergeant and First Sergeant/Sergeant Major is in their respective duties. Not the overall rank. CDurham 17:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think instead of General 'Grades' yall should make it like Brigadier General, Major General, Lieutenant General, and General, then possibly Commandment for the 'leader' or 'founder' [[Locklear 18:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You fail to realise that Founder would be nonsensical unless the person awarded that rank was ACTUALLY the founder of the UNSC Of Halopedia #Kalem