Forum:Major Problem, Flood may still Live

There is a very strong possibilty that the flood are still alive, even after the activation of the halo array. THe galaxy was covered region wise by the Halo constructs, and construct 04 was destroyed (obviosly), leaving an area of space that would not be in range of any halo construct upon firing. Halo construct-04B was at the ark when it was fired, never being able to cover the region that it is sopposed to take care of. This means that when Construct-04B was fired, destroying itself and damaging the ark, that there is a gap that flood would of servived. it is likely that the storyline writers and game develepers will relize this and will have to create more storyline to solve this problem, witch the only solution seams to be getting the ark repaired, building another halo construct (Construct-04C) and firing again.

Any comments on this hypothisis?

--The Grave Mind 11:41, 29 April 2011 (EDT)


 * Not really - there isn't a major outbreak taking place as of 2553 - infected ships at 04 and 05 were destroyed save a cruiser sent to Earth and High Charity.-- 92.232.248.181 12:12, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

Thats why he said the Flood MAY still live. DA BEST 16:30, 21 April 2011 (EDT)


 * All the active Flood were at the Ark. Remember that none of the other Halos were fired because 04B was out of range to activate them, otherwise everyone else in the galaxy would be dead. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 16:40, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

Nah, not possible. The Gravemind was killed first on High Charity, but tried to rebuild on 04-B. The Flood were only capable of fighting because of a Gravemind, or a half built one, as the case may be. When 04-B was fired, it would have destroyed all the Flood on 04-B and the Flood on the Ark, as well as the half built Gravemind. The Gravemind being dead would render the Flood incapable of resistance back on Earth. Hence, it is safe to assume humanity was capable of clearing Earth. Lt. Agreon Talk  17:02, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

the gravemind might not be affected by the halo array though, it is perfectly possible that atleast part of his DNA is precurser, since the precurser prisoner disappeared about the time the flood arose and defeated the forerunners. since the halo aray killed the flood by its DNA, the gravemind might have lived. aswell, flood may also live on the outside of the galaxy, so an imediate out brake probably wont happen, but it is possible lets say.... by 2565. --The Grave Mind 11:51, 28 April 2011 (EDT)


 * But that's just speculation. There's no proof of that. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 12:45, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

Dustin Nugget: That is not correct. All the flood were killed except if there were other Forerunner Flood study structures. Also, someone said that the Halo firing kills the Flood. That isn't true at all. It kills only beings with a central nueral system, so anything sentient and concious. That means Humans, Covenant, Forerunner and most likely, Grave Minds are affected by the rings, not the Flood. It also is unlikely that there are Flood outside the Milky Way since there is nothing there they can use for survival, other than the Ark. The Flood was probably created by the Precursors as a last resort weapon or a revenge to the Forerunners for the Precursor extinction. It is possible, but not surely true, that the Precursors made the rings or were the original founders of the ring technology. Maybe not original, but atleat before. Anyways, since the ring firing also destroys Precursor structures, it is possible that their structures are neural based also. That theory hints at the idea to why there structures are near-invincible (neural based) and that only their weapons (rings) can destroy their neural structures. How they made their structures nueral based and why that makes it near-invincible, is unknown without theories.

ummm, no. if u have read Halo:Cryptum, u would know for a fact that the halo array was built by the forrunners, not the precurser's. Aswell, it is true that the rings can kill all life with a neural system, it dosnt have to, such as when the rings were fired in november of 2552, they were set to only kill flood in that instance, other wise humans and covenant alike would of been killed. i think the reason that the forrenners set them to kill everything with a nureal system is because they knew that flood existed outside of the milkyway galaxy. as to keep them dead killing everything in the milkyway with a nureal system made it so that if the flood tried to come back, there'd be nothing for them to infect. and just to make sure u know, when humans were advanced before they had a war with the forrunners, they fought the flood to the outside of the galaxy, meaning they exist outside the edge, planets do exist outside, they orbit the solor system just like the ark orbits it.

sincerely:--The Grave Mind 11:39, 29 April 2011 (EDT)


 * Actually, the flood is sentient - remember Jenkins; Keyes and the Gravemind? However, flood infection forms and spores are not sentient. Therefore, you can still justify activating the array to wipe out all sentient life, as these forms will still remain, capable of finding new hosts. Hell, the spores were able to transform people into flood forms over a long period of time - simply wiping out sentient flood forms would still leave the danger of successive outbreaks.--  Fore  run  ner '' 11:50, 29 April 2011 (EDT)


 * Does it say anywhere that there may not be more flood on the other halo installations, or forerunner constructs? If not, they may yet exist on other planets or regions of the galaxy as less sentient forms as well. If the flood spread to a gas mine to be experimented on it can be certain that there are other sites where testing was active.--UNSCSILVERSTREAK 00:08, 1 May 2011 (EDT)


 * Remaining parasites are safely contaned in cryogenic stasis within their respective research facilities - they are located in such places that, were there to be an outbreak, the parasites would be unlikely to encounter any suitable host and die (whether through starvation or the many sentinels patrolling the area).-- Fore  run  ner '' 00:19, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

That's viable, but then i wonder if there may be more scenarios out there such as the flood controlled sheild world. Not saying that just shield worlds may contain flood forms on them, just saying that they may exist on other random planets in a much more active form. Then again, I don't know that since Halo Wars was made by Ensemble there may be discrepencies with that theory.--UNSCSILVERSTREAK 00:42, 1 May 2011 (EDT)


 * It's fine - Ensemble's story was Bungie-approved. The idea of a shield world is to protect from the flood - I suppose some spores managed to survive on the outside and absorb the local wildlife. The chances of a repeat of that are probably low (given the chance for life of sufficient biomass to elude the flood for 100,000 years), though still potential.-- Fore  run  ner '' 01:10, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

Guys, it dosnt matter if they are sentiant or not!!, the rings on there original configuration dosnt target all sentiant life, it targets everything with a nearal logical systam, humans, mice, dogs cats, elephant's, grunts.n it dosnt matter, activastion of the halo array would almost completly destroy all eco systems of every single planet. aswell, the discussion of the shield world, there seams to be two types, the one in halo wars wont protect life, its pretty much a shipping yard where the flood cant get in though a halo blast would still go through. the other type is the one in Halo:ghost's of onyx, that type is designed to protect life.--The Grave Mind 11:52, 2 May 2011 (EDT)


 * No. Their original configuration (as in, their default setting) only targets sentient flood forms. The "target anything with a neurological system" setting was not used to end the war - the setting only approached the "sentient organisms with complex neurological systems" field. And besides, there are life-forms on the shield world you describe in Halo Wars. Based on your assumptions, all life was destroyed by the Forerunners and systemmatically recovered... and life just happened to evolve on the shield world. There is no difference between the design of either shield world we encounter - it's just that one had some space ships in it. Take note of the word shield - who the fuck makes a shield that doesn't protect anything? -- Fore  run  ner '' 13:50, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

Actually, Forerunner, the Librarian specifically mentions indexing animals, such as marine life, meaning the array could targets animals too. As for what happened on the Shield World, easy: the wildlife was reseeded, such like the rest of all indexed species on the Ark, the Covenant found the Shield World, accidentally let the Flood out, and then they infected the wildlife. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 16:16, 2 May 2011 (EDT)


 * So you're saying that life naturally evolved on an artificial planet? Impossible in a 100,000 year time frame - they were simply put there for aesthetic affect, like Installation 04. Also - indexing marine lifeforms does, in no way, suggest that the total activation of the array was set to wipe out all life. Intelligent marine organisms like dolphins may have been indexed, while crabs and sea urchins would have survive - there's simply too much life in the galaxy to index, even in the time the Librarian had.--  Fore  run  ner '' 18:14, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

Misspoke when I said reseeded. Yes, they would have to have been planted, but on other planets reseeded would have been accurate. But Librarian was definitely dedicating her time to animals. Marine life is not the only type mentioned, but mammalian and terrestrial as well. Sentience is a factor, but animal populations would still have to be taken into account, since they can still be infected, as shown on Infinite Succor. Exalted Obliteration covers it much better than I do here. Skip down to his entry after mine, December 14th 2010.

But going to the main point about whether Flood may exist else where, yes in stasis on the other rings, but no, they are unlikely to just break out anytime soon. If they could invade whenever they wanted into here from another galaxy, they would have anytime between after the Array's firing and the end of the war. Waiting this long is implausible. Tuckerscreator (stalk ) 18:54, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

umm... true tucker, but they would need a means of transport, aswell, some1 as extremely intelligent such as the gravemind would of had a backup plan, aswell, this just occurred to me, gravemind being himself, would of known the forrunner's mind probing and memory transfer tecknology, so it is highly possible that if he had one of these(over the thousands of years) he probably had one incase something such as his death to occur, aswell as a ship to re-infect the galaxy if the rings were set off. if so, he probably set them in orbit of the galaxy, out of the reach of the rings. this is only a possibilty, him cloning himself and such... wat u think of the idea though?--The Grave Mind 11:43, 3 May 2011 (EDT)


 * To pilot a space craft, you require an organism of significant intelligence. Were the Gravemind to have sent out such ships, the activation of the array would destroy the crew, including the brain forms, leaving behind very little (spore forms, I guess) - none of which capable of controling the vessel, therefore allowing it to fly into a star or brake-up in-atmosphere. Forerunner memory-transfer technology does not clone beings - it simply duplicates memories.--  Fore  run  ner '' 15:13, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

what i meant is he would of had ships in the case of his death outside the range of the rings, and aswell, i know memroy transfer teck dosnt have cloning, but cloning is a simple tecknknowlogy in 2552, even humans had that tech. all the gravemind would need to do is clone himself, use the memory transfer tech, copy everything he know's to the new body, and put the clone in cryo-stasis, pretty much every advanced species has cryo pods, and his clone can be made to fit in a human cryo pod, after his actual death his clone would just need to absorb more bio-mass.--The Grave Mind 10:20, 4 May 2011 (EDT)