Talk:Carol Rawley

Blind Jump
This article mistakenly says "blind jump" when the Pillar of Autumn made it to Threshold when cortana used the coordinates from an artifact. --JohnSpartan117 14:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

when does it say she used coordinates?

Keyes: But we made a Blind Jump, how did they?

Cortana: Get here first? Covenant ships have always been faster, as for tracking us all the way from REACH, well, at lightspeed my menuvering options were limited, sir.

Lt.O&#39;Brien 16:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Keyes ordered Cortana to do a blind jump, but she used to coordinates she found instead, and didn't tell him. Everyone but Cortana thought it was a blind jump. -ED 17:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Voice Over?
Does anyone know exactly who does the voice of Foehammer? Kap2310 02:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's been fixed. -- Darth tom (talk)

Encyclopaedic
A lot of work needs to be done to get this to a decent encyclopaedic standard. The point of view in here is absolutely horrible; it's an encyclopaedia, not your opinion on characters. 'She was fearless' is point of view unless you have references to back it up. Perhaps an image of her Pelican is in order? The tenses need work too; I've changed it to past tense, as an encyclopaedia should be, and it'd be appreciated if people didn't write in present tense. In addition, the spelling's been fixed to conform to American English. -- Darth tom (talk)

"Foehammer"
As stated in Halo: The Flood, it's spelled "Foehammer", not "Foe Hammer".


 * Check the Halo: Combat Evolved credits.--  Fore  run  ner  13:43, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't negate his point. We have contradictory sources here. Lord Hyren 18:39, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Model
Does anyone have a clue of what Foehammer might look like? I'm thinking she is a black female. Bungie should have some kind of image, or artwork of her that was suppose to be in the beta, but never showed it. What do you all think? --Mega Sean 45 20:37, October 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Probably an African American woman a bit on the heavy side.


 * Thanks for the help. But you forgot the username on the end. ;) --Mega Sean 45 14:23, November 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * Having not read the article i first imagined her as the woman who flew the hornet in Avatar (movie)


 * Does this look like the Avatar wiki to you? (Though I agree :P) - JEA13  [ iTalk  ] 14:31, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Article image
I think the image should be removed from that place in the article. That place has always been reserved for an image of the character, if there isn't one it should be left blank. She is not the pelican so that shouldn't be her image.--210.56.95.180 03:25, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Say, has anyone ever tried looking inside the Pelican she's flying to see if there's a pilot in it? Like in Halo Custom Edition, or something? I imagine they have and I'm just making a fool out of myself.Fair field fencer F F F  05:15, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Did. Found nothing.— subtank  11:00, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 * Shame. Guess we're going to have to wait for the Halo movie or maybe they'll add in a pilot for Anniversary. Doubt it, though.Fair field fencer F F F  11:09, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
 * That's all well and good but back to the article itself. The image should be removed or placed elsewhere in the article. It is not an image of the character but of a vehicle. To be consistent with the other pages on the wiki, the main image should be left blank until one showing the character herself is found.--210.56.95.180 11:17, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

Main image
Now that she can technically be seen in CEA (even if it's a generic character model) I suggest that someone with the capability takes a screenshot to use as the main image.--Soul reaper 20:42, 20 November 2011 (EST)
 * It would probably be a good idea for someone to post different ways on how to get on top of Foe Hammer's Pelican so someone with a capture card can look inside the cockpit and handle the rest.Fair field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  05:32, 21 November 2011 (EST)
 * The best way I could find was by using the warthog that she drops on the second level. I got a decent look at her face but unfortunately, no way for me to capture the image.--Soul reaper 05:43, 21 November 2011 (EST)
 * As the article stated, "Carol Rawley is depicted using the model of a generic Caucasian dropship pilot, likely taken from the one piloting the Bumblebee escape pod in the cutscene at the end of The Pillar of Autumn." Therefore, the model used for the Pelican pilot might not be canon as people might think. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't include it; we just need to make sure that this notice is apparent to readers.— subtank  06:34, 21 November 2011 (EST)
 * We could put a disclaimer in the infobox caption, or create a template to use in all such occasions.--Soul reaper 23:36, 21 November 2011 (EST)
 * Or just let people read it in the trivia section like Hocus. I think this way of thinking is because she's white in this and everybody who has heard Foe Hammer automatically knows it's a black woman talking. The model given to her, even if used before, belongs to this character. 343 chose it as her because they wanted to give the character a face. Would we be arguing about this if both the Bumblebee pilot and Foe Hammer were black? I think no one would even bother arguing over the Bumblebee pilot.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  06:19, 22 November 2011 (EST)
 * It's not because she's black or white, it's because a named, recurring character is using a shared model. I think that this page, like Hocus, should have the main image as the character model used in the game, I think most people will agree but we do need to make sure that people know that may not be the most accurate depiction of her. Likewise, I think we should get an image of the Elite from the elevator on The Maw and use it as Zuka's image, as the article states, it is technically him but in that case we should also put a disclaimer. How to go about this is what's up for debate. On a short article like Hocus', having the trivia explain the image works but on longer articles it may not.--Soul reaper 07:36, 22 November 2011 (EST)
 * Never thought of the ethnicity until this discussion... does it really matter though? As per Soul Reaper, the issue is the recycled models. The current trivia must be improved to make this note more apparent.— subtank  09:31, 22 November 2011 (EST)
 * I was just saying if we'd seen Foe Hammer first and then the Bumblebee pilot had the same model as her later on in the game, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But Reaper's comment about this being a longer article with a recurring character is a fair argument and I see where he's coming from now. But I don't see why it needs expansion simply because there's nothing else to say. This is the only model we have of her and the article's trivia section states clearly the model is re-used. Unless we have a comment or something on the model from a 343 employee like a designer or something on why it was re-used or who it was made for and why it was re-used, all we need is the picture of Foe Hammer. 343 is in control of her design, nobody's retconned it, therefore it's canon.<font color="#FF2400">Fair <font color="#FFA500">field <font color="#FF2400">fencer <font color="FF2400">F <font color="#FFA500">F <font color="#FF2400">F  11:17, 22 November 2011 (EST)


 * I feel I should note that we've coped with similar skins in the game, before. We know that multiple established characters share the skin for white Sergeants (Staker, Waller), but we use established canon to work out which is Stacker; which is Waller, and which is just a white Sergeant. Carol uses a skin used by others, but it is still her appearence. We should, like on the Johnson page (at least the last time I read it), say that the skin is used elsewhere.--  Fore  run  ner '' 11:51, 22 November 2011 (EST)