Forum:John 117s Whereabouts

Ok So Readers of Ghosts of Onyx will know that the planet onyx is a light turquoise colour, and observing the planet he drifting towards we see that this planet is also light turquoise,

the rumours of the next game as a squad-based game, on the planet onyxare possible Spartan IIIs- the squad maybe?

just a hunch, What You Think

my theory
theres multiple theories heres a link but idk if i did it correctly legendary planet. there are multiple theories from that leading to the upcoming game of halo 4(i believe it will be) 3 options forerunner homeworld-shield world-onyx and shield world-just onyx i think it will be onyx and a shield world finding docter halsey and gray team, jun and a few others anyways no lack of spartans in the next game

'''343i you better make a good halo for us... or else!'''

--slaying dragons since i was little LILDRAGSLAYR 15:10, 20 October 2010 (EDT)

-I second that death threat ... I mean motivational statement... Dragonblaze-052 12:17, 25 October 2010 (EDT)

Either way. At the time John-117 is drifting to this legendary planet the Human-Covenant war has ended already, so I'm also very interested in the story of Halo 4. Would it be a Flood-infested shieldworld? Fighting sentinels? I honestly wouldn't know. ...Or...Perhaps...This Halo 4 game is a puzzle game, solving Forerunner riddles. x) By Melian 10:53, 5 November 2010. local time

I see it possibly being a split campaign with the Arbiter hunting down the remaining Brute bastards and Chief fighting through sentinals and enforcers. Dragonblaze-052 14:36, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

I think he is drifting to the now glassed planet reach because if you noticed during the return the covrnant burned symbols into the surface so if in the 3-4 months that was between Halo: Reach and Halo 3 the surface hadn't cooled or just had light hit it right it would have a glow visablee from space. Also the symbols weren't very bright which would support the either reasons for glowing.

it couldn't possibly be the planet onyx, remeber in the end of the book the entire surface gave way to a layer of sentinals protecting the slip-space buuble, aswell, for my theory on where jhon is, i think (since this planet was in close poroximity to the ark) that he is drifting to a forrunner planet, --The Grave Mind 12:04, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

If you look at the planet closely it is definitely not anything of human or covenant origins, it could be Forerunner, Precursor or even Prehistoric Human. I doubt it is Flood infested, no traces can be seen. This planet is not a natural formation, someone built it, so it must have some purpose.


 * Remember it cant be precursor because when the rings fired they destroyed every precursor artifact. Forgive My English TALK TO ME BABY 09:02, 7 May 2011 (EDT)

I believe it is neither reach or onyx, i believe it could be the forerunner home world due to the same symbals as the planet seen in the short storys on the halo legends disk "origins" (part 1-2) or something like that or probably a different forerunner planet. for those who think its gonna be on reach for thinking its master chief's ship is in the background of the final cutscene it isn't, cause if you look at the opening cutscene you'll see the same structure in the background (the opening cutscene being in 2552, the ending cutscene being in 2586/9) SPARTAN-225 10:59 10th may 2011

The precursor home world perhaps? Planets survived the rings, why wouldn't this one? Or possibly a new species against Forerunners? Just suggesting the possibilities.--Blahmarrow 13:22, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

I agree with Blahmarrow. Other planets survived the firing of the rings, even the covenant homeworlds and, of course, earth. It is likely that this planet, being nonliving and the halos were made to wipe out the living things of the universe. this planet would had obviously survived. --Dark Reflex 10:00, 20 May 2011 (EDT)   20 May 11

I agree also cause only the precursor artifacts were destroyed by the halos S225 19:15 21st may 2011

Ah, thank you for agreeing. I noticed that all planets survived, so why not this one? Putting the point out there. Be cool to see them. Precursers I mean.--Blahmarrow 11:04, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

I personally doubt that there will be a Halo 4 game which is a chronological sequel to Halo 3. Remember, Johnson and Keyes are dead, the Covenant is disbanded, the Elites are our allies and unless you want to spend a whole game fighting Flood and Sentinels I think a book is in order. One possibility is that the Spirit of Fire might come into play, Halo Wars has yet to relate back to the main canon. The Master Chief may even be time warped, sending him back to before the Human-Covenant War, possibly to Harvest, where he meets Johnson. It would make sense, and add a little intrigue to the game. I have a funny feeling there will be Forerunners in the game, or the Chief might even be sent back in time to activate the rings himself, when the Flood Forerunner War was coming to a close. --The Editor 03:15, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

It would be cool to see the forerunners. Perhaps a new species? You know, he'd probably be frozen for a very long time, at which point a new war could start involving him.--Blahmarrow 10:23, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

The planet is clearly of artificial original, no human and no covenant have built any worlds and ALL precursor technology is made up of neural structures (read halopedia's articles) and halo destroyed EVERYTHING with enough neural mass the flood can eat, that's why there are no remmants of Precursor technology after the firing of the Halos. So Halofan 1234 is right. It can only be forerunner. --186.69.46.57 16:47, 25 May 2011 (EDT)

I think that due to the level of technology the Precursors possessed, they can survive something as "simple" as a Halo event. Also, in the Legendary Cutscene the Milky Way is not visible. However, what is believed to be the Large M. Cloud, where the Flood originated from, is visible and is very close. Nevertheless, the mechanical surface is blue and therefore likely of Forerunner Origin. --The Editor 03:15, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

Depends on the event is, but from what i say about Halo 4 there's a possible that Spirit Of Fire will saw distress signal of Forward Unto Dawn and goes to Shield World where Master Chief is. Bungie might noticed about the lost of Spirit of Fire which represents Captain Cutter, Serina and Anders so there's a possible they'll be participate in Halo 4 because at the end of legendary level at Halo Wars, Serina will said, "Captain, wake up. Something has happened" This might they sense or feel the Installation 04B is fired and following the distress signal of Forward Unto Dawn. --Ramero 17:06, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

I doubt that because Serina says that straight after the ending cut scene, 22 years before Installation 04b is fired. They would have to chance each other by accident, although I doubt that the Spirit of Fire will be in Halo 4...--The Editor 00:27, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

I doubt what you said because right after cutscene ends which was after Captain Cutter closes the Forge's Cryopod, Captain Cutter also went to deep sleep. Serina says it probably after Installation 04B is fired, alerting the Captain to wake up because something has happened. It's impossible for Captain Cutter to wake up alone because Anders needs to be awaken as well because Anders have the whole database about the Flood.. --Ramero 22:50, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

Your theory is based on the assumption that Cutter goes into cyro, and that Serina states this after 04b is fired. Lets wait till E3 so that we can see...--The Editor 02:20, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Getting back to actual speculation about the game, I think that one important giveaway has been overlooked based on what we know about Halo's gameplay... That if the chief is going to use human weapons at all in the game (which seems extremely likely) there will have to be SOME kind of resupply built into the campaign missions. What I mean is, there pretty much has to be human/ UNSC forces somewwhere on this planet, or there were at some point. The only alternatives are to force the player to return over and over to the aft section of Forward Unto Dawn to get weapons and ammo, or to carry enough at the start of every mission to make it through. Neither of these sound very fun, the former being annoying and impractical, the latter taking away the dynamic of ammunition supply - a staple in any FPS, Halo included.

So, using this as a working hypothesis, wwe have determined that the mystery planetoid from the trailer has or once had UNSC personnel on it. I would hazard a guess that they are still there, which would of course allow for some squad dynamic and the ability to be actively resupplied with weapons and vehicles rather than passively finding and collecting ammo off of long-dead (and therefore not fun) marines. This hypothesis leaves two obvious contenders already established in Halo canon - the only two forerunner planets known to have been visited by humans. One of those planets was destroyed by crew of the SoF, so logically only Onyx is left.

We know that the Spartan IIIs, IIs, and other survivors on Onyx escaped into the shield world with substantial weaponry and ammunition, though presumably no vehicles. That said, we also know that Camp Curraghee on Onyx DID have all the trappings necessary to supply a player throughout a campaign. Even better, though, is the thought that a UNSC prowler was KNOWN to have been on station at Onyx, as well as a destroyed UNSC carrier battle group. Using all this conjecture, I suspect that Halo 4 will likely revolve around the Chief linking up with the UNSC Dusk and survivors from battle group Stalingrad and beginning a search for the missing Spartan IIIs and IIs (plus Dr. Halsey and CPO Mendez). It would be completely possible to fight covenant survivors, especialy given the remoteness of Onyx, since news of the defeat of the Prophet of Truth may not have reached any marooned Covenant or UNSC.

There are, of course, flaws in all of this. The timeline of events is fairly uncertain, given that the Chief may have been in cryo-sleep for hours or years. The aft section of the Dawn may have been left drifting all the way from outside the galaxy or it might have been pulled halfway through the slip-space portal and hence to the Onyx system. If not, it may have been pulled towards Onyx from light years away (still assuming that the planet from the trailer IS Onyx) by the giant blue Iris-like-thing that is clearly pulling in the ship in said trailer. The question of course, then, is why or how the Planet is doing this, but I'll leave that speculation until we have more info. I'm content for now to convert an anthill of info into a mountain of conjecture. What does everyone think?

.Fortune


 * For Halo 4, there are some unanswered mystery like Spirit Of Fire whereabout. True that Sergeant Forge sacrifice himself to destroy Forerunner Shield World which logically checked Onyx was the only Shield World left. Serina's last quote was also remains as mystery which was, "Captain wake up, something has happened". This was either Spirit Of Fire also being sucked in same as Forward Unto Dawn Frigate which was Master Chief John-117 is aboard with it or something happened to Spirit Of Fire.


 * Perhaps about the weapons which Master Chief is going to be used later, mostly was human weapons but sometimes he'll take Forerunner's weapon as well which goes to Halo 2 like Sentinel Beam.--Ramero 06:37 AM, 26 June 11 (EDT)


 * Who said there were only two shield worlds? Besides, the shield world within Onyx (Onyx was not the shield world-Onyx was an artificial planet housing the shield world) was based within a compressed space - it wouldn't appear even a couple meters in diameter, let alone a few thousand kilometers.--  Fore  run  ner '' 09:59, 26 June 2011 (EDT)

There are 2 shield worlds that have been discussed so far in Halo canon, and not necessarily all of the Forerunner shield worlds. I think that this is a 3rd, different shield world, which may be called Sigma 7. Some guy posted a "leak" on Bungie.net saying that he found out some information on the Halo 4 campaign. Sigma 7 has been known to ONI for years and contains some UNSC forces stationed on the base. What ever it is, I am sure we can all agree that it is Forerunner or Precursor. We don't know much about the P's yet, so I say a Forerunner Shield World. --The Editor 00:32, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Forerunner's notes

 * 1) Cortana states that the portal collapsed while the Forward unto Dawn was making its way through, meaning that the aft. section remained in the Ark's vicinity. He survived because the ring was on its default setting to only eradicate life forms converted by the FSC.
 * 2) Onyx was destroyed in November, and so could not have appeared in the Halo 3 epilogue.
 * 3) The presense of Forerunner symbols indicates a large Forerunner structure or series of such; if this were Reach, the Covenant would not have glassed all but one part of the planet.
 * 4) Furthermore we do not know what happened to the other NOVA bombs - did they remain on Reach to destroy the planet or are Covenant ships still in posession of them by the end of Halo 3?
 * 5) We see a blue nebula in both Halo: Reach and Halo 3 - that is all. Nebulae appear blue when a large quantity of dust reflects the blue-side of the visible light spectrum from nearby stars (eg. the star near the Ark).

Would anyone care to point faults in these answers?--  Fore  run  ner '' 14:15, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

Sure, I'll point one out. The Halo Array has no "default setting to only eradicate life forms converted by the FSC (Flood Super Cell)". If you read Halo Cryptum, you see that the Halo Array was first tested at Charum Hakkor, and leveled the Precursor city there. It was later used on the two remaining San Shyuun worlds to destroy their civilization. Heck, even Cortana, in Halo 1, says "Halo doesn't kill Flood, it kills their food!... And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do: wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life." If the Halo Array had a default Anti-Flood setting, why did the Librarian spend so much time gathering sapient species from all over the galaxy. Why did she gather San Shyuun from their homeworld when she knew the Halo Array was going to be used. Why was their such trepidation about using the halos, why were a thousand other plans tried if the Forerunners had an end-game weapon with no negative repercussions for themselves and the rest of the galaxy? The answer is simply that their was one major repercussion: the end of all sentient live in the galaxy.

Where the frack do we see a blue nebulae in Halo Reach? Now, if you're insinuating that the Chief got lucky and was dropped near Reach or even not far from the ark, and you cite a Nebulae as your evidence, I will have to disillusion you. This galaxy is composed of roughly 100 Billion stars. Any nebulae, anywhere, can be exposed to the right amount of dust to reflect blue light from any one of these stars. Steve the wraith 22:25, 2 June 2011 (EDT)


 * When you start the game up (just before the intro. menu) the camera pans through it. It's there, it's just that you can't see it on the ground in daytime. If you actually read my comment you'd see that I said that only those infected by the flood are killed. Why do none of you realize this? The array kills those with a complex neurological system used by sentient organisms - this includes (for example) human combat forms. The HCF retains the memories and experiences of the host body, and so is sentient. They are thus suseptible to the effects of the array. However the spore forms and the infection forms lack this neuro-system and so are immune. Therefore the array can do serious damage to the flood, though the parasite remains alive as a hostless, spore form. When the ring was fired near Charum Hakkor life in the system dies out - not just sentient lite but anything with a neurological system - this shows that the array can be powerful enough to wipe out most Earth eukaryotes and has optional range settings. We can conclude that, as John survived the activation of 04B, the installations' default targetting setting was much restricted and focused on neorological systems altered by the flood (but does not kill non-sentient organisms). Answering your last point, I was not saying that John found Reach. Not only did you not read (or were you just unable to, sweetie?) the "that is all" line, which suggests that I am disassociating something, but you skimmed through my whole comment and misunderstood everything. Please grow some brain cells and only act like a dick when you have valid reasonings. Good night. :) --  Fore  run  ner '' 21:02, 12 June 2011 (EDT)


 * I'm sure you think yourself some knd of expert on this subject matter, but you should understand two things very clearly: Halo. Has. No. Kill-only-flood-setting. As I said, and you would have noticed if you did not skim MY comment, if there was such a setting, why didn't the forerunners use it? Answer me that. And Halo does not just kill living things. Halo Cryptum, page 114. Charum Hakkor had no inhabitants, only a planet-wide Precursor City that was reduced to SLAG by a halo installation. And my second point is don't call me "sweetie", darling. Steve the wraith 13:46, 13 June 2011 (EDT)


 * There was life in the system - AKA 'star system'. Again, you have skim-read my explanation and again concluded that I said that all flood are killed by the array - they aren't. The flood as a species is immune to the array, but the converted bodies are still suseptible to the pulse. The Forerunner's didn't simply wipe-out only converted bodies because then surviving peoples of the galaxy with slipspace capabilities pose the risk of coming into contact with non-sentient (and thus immune to the array) forms - eg. Spores. This contact could lead to the flood spreading across the galaxy in another outbreak. I'd like to point out that Precursor technology is biological and involves artificial neurological pathways - technically, they are alive (in the sense that the USS Voyager's biological gel-packs were 'alive').--  Fore  run  ner '' 15:11, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
 * Source (page Number)for that biological reference. I read your comments thoroughly. I never said flood spores weren't effected, though I wouldn't call them immune, just unaffected. And you didn't answer my question: if Halo has an anti-flood setting, which you said in your first comment "default setting to only eradicate life forms converted by the FSC", and your second comment "Only those infected by the flood are killed", why the heck didn't the forerunners use THAT...oh, I see. you're saying they wanted to wipe out slipspace capable species to prevent further interactions with the flood. Then why were the different alien species "catalogued" and returned to the their worlds after the Halo Array was fired? They would reclaim their technology at some point, and run into what was left of the flood again. Steve the wraith 17:32, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
 * The array's firing 100,000 years ago caused the collapse of all sentient civilizations, forcing the re-seeded (clones, according to Legends) to start again, having no knowledge of advanced sciences. For example, in the reimagined Battlestar Galactica New Caprica is in a situation where its people are becoming more and more primitive, having lost their ability to culture medicines or design electronics - had they stayed for generations rather than a year, they nay never have been able to leave. The recovery time for the worlds' peoples to regain technology would be more than enough for the remaining, unsealed flood organisms to finally die from the lack of suitable hosts. As shown in "Conversations from the Universe" 343 Guilty Spark (and perhaps the Forerunners in general) expected sentient races to discover the rings, though did not expect any to actually hack into computer systems and succeed in releasing the flood - they were expected to remain there forever.--  Fore  run  ner '' 18:27, 13 June 2011 (EDT)