Forum:More "community consensus" needed...

Halopedia's administration functions as a cabal, so we feel that all the admins should have sysop, bureaucrat, and forumadmin. Right now, only Relentless has forumadmin rights, instead of the entire cabal, but sannse refuses to give everyone that status without more community consensus, which seems to be running things around here. In my opinion, we already got community concensus with the successful RfA's, so this vote isn't to give us forumadmin--it's to make forumadmin a default right given out to every one of our administration, current and future. Vote below plaz on whether you want all our cabalists to have forumadmin or not.

VOTING IS CLOSED

This debate has been settled, and sannse has given all of the administrators forumadmin access.

For

 * 1) -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 18:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) REVENGE Grr!!! My Victims [[Image:Disembodied soul modern.jpg|30px]]
 * 3) Staff Sergeant   Masterchief46517  [[Image:ODST1 u.jpg|20px]] com link C Company  20:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) --Ajax 013 21:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) ÇЋЇŒʢ ʕЛΆΝќAegis Company [[Image:Marines HALO wars.jpg|40px]] βĻά βĻά βĻάɰЊάł Ḷ ḍõИШ  02:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Last time I heard the right doesn't do anything at the moment, but I agree that all the admins should have the same powers, even if it doesn't mention forumadmin on the RfA page (maybe you should change that GPT). -- Manticore  [[Image:Fleet Admiral.jpg|20px]] Talk 02:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Why WOULDN'T an administrator be an administrator on the forums? That makes absolutely no sense. That's like being the king of Canada, but not of Ontario. Personally, I agree with this 100%. On a semi-related note, Forumadmin is a lower rank than sysop and bureaucrat, correct? Perhaps that means that certain members who AREN'T Administrators on the Wiki could be forum ones. --KillerCRS: Your #1 source of made-up crap.[ Talk to me! ] - [ Stuff I've done! ] 06:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, forumadmin is not lower. It just applies to the forum instead of the wiki. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 21:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) - DEMON SPAWN  ED  21:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) All admins should definitely have administrative power over the forums. Fizzlesticks, I think I mispelled two words in that sentence... -- Caboose  [[Image:Caboose.jpg|35 px]]  Orange Juice  and  Cookies  22:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) I'm not really sure about this, but my friends are doing it, so I'll go ahead, P.S. Caboose, have you been getting my messages lately? just wonderin -- Heeeeeres Johny!(Whats that you say?)( My...Accomplishments)[[Image:MA5C_Firing.gif|30px]] 00:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Indeed.-- UNSCoH   General   "Running   Riot"   Ryan  [[Image:Sm Sniper Rifle.gif]]  BAM  03:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) As per comment below --forgottenlord 23:56, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Should be this way. Christine  Talk 00:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) All Admins need to control that. Clavix2 [[Image:Halo2emblem.ashx.jpeg|30px]] TALK TO ME Things I done 00:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) If you are an admin you should have control of all aspects of the site--[[Image:GRAW.png|20px]] MCPO Spartan  1138  02:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Weak Support - I don't see what difference more than one forum admin will make, but I'm not against them. Now I have had a more detailed discussion, I've agreed that it would be a good idea to have more forum admins.  SSgt.  simon  rj  h  17:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) well now since it was actually explained clearly, i say yeah it's a good idea.ChurchReborn 04:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Against

 * 1) I don't think we should get more forumadmins until they are  needed , just like on the main wiki.  Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 00:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Well, can you at least explain why you think Relentless should get rights that none of the other admins should? -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 03:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) I didn't mean to say he was a better choice than any other admin. I never go on the new forums, so I don't know who does what, but I think forumadmin shouldn't be something that comes automatically just for being an admin here, and that it should come via voting, like reguar adminship, regardless of whether or not the user is an admin here.  Phil.e.   [Talk to me] 03:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Neutral I refuse to vote until this argument fleshes out. Until next time, respect them Grunts. This is M  o  u  s  e, squeaking out! 18:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) See comment below --forgottenlord 17:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Captain Wolfenhawk  [[Image:Arg me be a pirate.PNG|45px]] - Captain's Log ]]- - Ships I've Plundered ]]- 18:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) What powahs will a forum admin have that an admin doesn't? Is it necessary to have more if we use the new forums now?  SSgt.  simon  rj  h  19:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) A forumadmin will eventually have total powah in the forum, but the second part of your question, "that an admin doesn't," is completely irrelevant. It's not about the number needed--it's about keeping Halopedia's cabal just that, a cabal. We all have equal rights on the wiki, and we all have equal say in any debates, but TOR screwed that up on the forums by giving only Relentless forumadmin. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 19:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) What about my other question? (Is it necessary to have more if we use the new forums now?) SSgt.  simon  rj  h  19:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) "It's not about the number needed--it's about keeping Halopedia's cabal just that, a cabal. We all have equal rights on the wiki, and we all have equal say in any debates, but TOR screwed that up on the forums by giving only Relentless forumadmin." Direct copy-and-paste of what I just said. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 19:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) See comment post below--forgottenlord 17:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) I'm With Mouse on this one, until this argument fleshes out. --ChurchReborn 19:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) See comment post below--forgottenlord 17:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) I have no idea what's going on. (CommanderTony)
 * 12) See comment post below--forgottenlord 17:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) [[Image:General.png|20px]] Grievous797 Comm
 * 14) Neutral till someone from Central can finally tell me what forumadmin does (everytime I've asked, no one knew). <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=RoyalBlue>Christine  <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=LimeGreen>Talk 21:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) You become an administrator on the forums. Basically, the ability to ban someone from posting and whatnot.
 * 16) No, any admin can ban people. <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=RoyalBlue>Christine <Font face=Sylfaen><font color=LimeGreen>Talk 00:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) Really? I couldn't find a block button on the forum... -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 12:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Ok, I'm not the official person by any stretch of the imagination but here's what I believe is going on (since the admins aren't explaining themselves yet)

For those of you who aren't aware, Halopedia (and the rest of Wikia, eventually) is migrating to new forum code (http://halo.wikia.com/forum - which is currently broken, BTW). However, this has a separate code base from the wiki component and therefore, code wise, the administrative powers are given to the usergroup "Forum admins" - a power that, I guess, can only be given or removed by central wikia.

Because the two groups are different, Central Wikia requires our community to set down a policy for how we want to govern the advancement to the position of "forum admin". Since Halopedia's administrators are considered equals in how they administrate Halopedia, the belief is that the forum admin position should be given to all administrators automatically. I'm guessing that the administrative team agrees with each other on this point, but Wikia wants a community consensus on the matter.

I don't think this policy we are discussing restricts them from making administrators (or, if the position is separate, moderators) on the Forums without giving them full bureaucrat and sysop authority on Halopedia if we need such assistance in the future, it merely says that those who have been given the rank of Sysop/Bureaucrat on Halopedia have earned the trust and authority from the community that they should automatically be given forum administator position without a separate community discussion and vote. Personally, that seems like a reasonable request to me.

Could an Admin please confirm if my understanding of the situation is correct? --forgottenlord 17:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I thought the initial paragraph at the top was a good enough explanation, but yes, this is correct and explains more fully than mah little jabber at the top. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 23:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * 4 people indicated confusion or asked for further explanation.... --forgottenlord 23:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * And they've all had it explained to them, but didn't change their vote or anyfink. -- NOTASTAFF  GPT ( talk )( eating ) 00:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)