Talk:Lieutenant commander

FactOrFictionTalk
This 3rd in command nonsense is noncanon beause the rank structure isn't stated in the Halo Universe.--User:Mattwmetallica 05:17, 23 September 2006

In Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, Commander Richard Lash is second in command of the UNSC Dusk. His XO, is Lieutenant Commander Julian Waters (Halo: Ghosts of Onyx page 186). Lieutenant Commander does not denote third in command, but third in command is sometimes held by Lieutenant Commanders.--Rotaretilbo 17:40, 05 December 2006
 * I have removed the FactOrFiction template and edited the article so it no longer states third in command.--Rot 1943 9.12.06
 * I agree with Rot's decision, the term "Third in Command" is rarely heard anyway. In the case of Lash, he was the Dusk's "Acting CO", and Waters it's "Acting XO" while Captain Iglesias was absent. Normally, Lash would be XO, and who knows what Waters is called? Perhaps he had a specific duty e.g. Weapons, NAV, etc. --  Manticore  Fleet Admiral.jpg TalkundefinedCSV 15:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

New Image
The oak leaf is a Major's insignia. On Miranda's shoulders in Halo 3, you can also see the three gold bars and a star. So I changed the image. — əґ  ыţ  єґ  ιιб

Three bars represents a full commander. The star means that person is a line officer. --Jaguartalon 08:31, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Questionable
First off, I changed the image on the article becuase Lt. Cmd has two full bars with a smaller bar between them, not three full bars (thats a full Cmd).

Second, I question where it lists Miranda Keyes as a Lt. Cmd. In the games she is a Cmd. I didn't change it because I don't know if a non-game source calls her a Lt. Cmd. Is there such a source? If not she should be removed from the list of Lt. Commanders.

P.S. I know that Halo 3 gives her the gold leaf of a Lt. Cmd, but Bungie obviously goofed because they still gave her 3 full bars (full Cmd) and she has the silver leaf of a full Cmd. in Halo 2. I highly doubt she would have gotten demoted. Iceman117 17:26, July 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * That was the only basis for her being on the list, as far as I know.  Smoke Sound off! 23:06, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * The clipping from "Intersystem News" in Halsey's journal (from the Reach limited edition) specifically refers to Miranda as an a LCDR. Of course, it also notes that Jacob Keyes was already a captain in 2550 as well... which conflicts with Fall of Reach. Can't say I'm too bothered about that, mind you. To this day I have no idea why they thought it would be a good idea to have Jacob -- who was supposed to be one of humanity's greatest and most decorated war heroes -- promoted to Captain in the year of his freakin' death. Uli Talk 15:22, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have put Miranda Keyes back on the list. Iceman117 05:09, September 19, 2010 (UTC)